Jun 03, 2026 City Commission Workshop

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>> WE GET STARTED. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY.

[1. Call to Order]

GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS CITY OF PARKLAND WORKSHOP ON WEDNESDAY JUNE 3RD AT 4:00 P.M. TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ROLL CALL? >> COMMISSIONER ISRAEL IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER MURPHY-SALOMONE? COMMISSIONER KANTERMAN? VICE MAYOR BRIER?

[4.A. Discussion on the Traffic Elements of the Site Plan Application for the Proposed Somerset Academy Expansion.]

>> HE IS WORKING HIS MICROPHONE. HE IS HERE.

>> MAYOR WALKER. >> I AM HERE.

WE HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR SOMERSET ACADEMY PARKLAND.

SO WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AND I GUESS WHATEVER ELSE. BUT PRIMARILY WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. SO, WHO IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS? NANCY?

>> TRAFFIC IS MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.

>> OKAY. >> SCOTT, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION. WE HAVE SCOTT BACKMAN HERE,

REPRESENTING SOMERSET. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YOU WILL HEAR FOR MEAT-- FROM ME FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 30 SECONDS. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE SOME OTHERS LEADING THE CONVERSATION AND ADDRESSING WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. JUST REALLY QUICKLY, REMINDING EVERYONE WHAT APPLICATIONS WE ARE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT WAS NOT JUST TRAFFIC AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING. IT WAS WHERE ARE WE WITH MIRA LAGO. THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU, A NUMBER OF POINTS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MEETING. THERE IS A FORMAL AGREEMENT OUT AND UNDER REVIEW AS OF LAST THURSDAY.

BY THE MIRA LAGO ATTORNEYS TO SIGN OFF ON THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST THEY HAVE REGARDING MONITORING AND QUARTERLY-- QUARTERLY MEETINGS. ALL THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. YOU SOUGHT THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THEY WERE HERE AND THEY DID NOT GET UP AND SPEAK. BEFORE JULY 8TH WE WILL COMMIT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM MIRA LAGO.

THE ONLY OTHER POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE REALLY QUICKLY, NOTHING TO PRESENT ON, THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS IT RELATES TO THE PARKING SPACES. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON AN AMENDMENT FOR INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USES, SCHOOL, IT WAS STARTED AS A RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY CHURCH, TO ALLOW CERTAIN SPACES TO BE WE HAVE DONE A FULL ANALYSIS OF WHAT OUR REVISED PARKING PLAN CAN LOOK LIKE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE TEMPORARY SPACES THAT WE PROPOSED THAT COULD BECOME PERMANENT. AND WE COULD PICK UP 44 ADDITIONAL SPACES. SO RIGHT NOW, WE TALK ABOUT 34 PER STUDENT. WITH 44 MORE SPACES IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. MEETING-- MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS PLUS. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. I HAVE NO SLIDE TO PRESENT ON WITH THAT. WITH THAT I WILL HANDED OVER TO BRIDE TO RUN THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE PRESENTATION ON TRAFFIC.

-- BRIAN. >> THANK YOU, SCOTT.

I KNOW I SPOKE PREVIOUSLY AT A COUPLE COMMISSION MEETINGS.

TO REINTRODUCE MYSELF, MY NAME IS BRIAN KELLY, ON THE VICE PRESIDENT WITH A TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING FIRM, LOCATED AT 2581 METRO CENTER IN WEST PALM BEACH.

MY AREA OF EXPERTISE IS IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.

I AM REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AS WELL. AND I AM CLOSING IN ON ABOUT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. I AM GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH-- I THINK THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO DO THIS IS TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE SLIDES AND THEN WE CAN OPEN IT UP VOLVO QUESTIONS. I KNOW SOME ONE ELSE WILL SPEAK, SO THERE WILL BE A COUPLE MORE. BUT HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND, AND CERTAINLY AFTER, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MYSELF. JUST BECAUSE IT MAY COME INTO POINT LATER. FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS... I ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THAT SITE.

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY SCHOOL PROJECTS I HAVE WORKED ON. IT'S PROBABLY NORTH OF 50.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 50 OR 100 OR WHERE IT FALLS.

BUT THAT RANGES FROM REGULAR TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, YOU NAME THEM, ALL THOSE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. UPON BEACH, ST. LUCY MIAMI, ALL TYPES OF LOCATIONS. I WILL GIVE A LITTLE HIGH OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS AND HOW IT IS ADDRESSED HERE. WHEN WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, GENERALLY SPEAKING WE LOOK AT THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

SO WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO TRAFFIC COUNTS AT INTERSECTIONS AND ROADWAYS, AND WE LOOK AT WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS

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WE SOMETIMES REFER TO THAT AS BACKGROUND CONDITIONS.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE PROJECT TRAFFIC OUT INTO THE FUTURE, ASSUME SOME KIND OF HISTORICAL GROWTH, AND ANY APPROVED PROJECTS OR COMMITTED PROJECTS MAY NECESSARILY-- NOT NECESSARILY BE ON THE ROAD. SO WE GO FROM EXISTING COUNTS, WE BUILD TRAFFIC UP TO A FUTURE CONDITION, IN SCENARIO THREE IS WHERE WE LAY-- LAYER SCHOOL TRAFFIC ONTO THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND WE LOOK AT WHAT THE RESULTS ARE FROM A TRAFFIC VOLUME, DELAY AND LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDPOINT. WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE PEAK HOURS. RIGHT? AND THE REASON IS CLEAR. THAT'S THE WORST CONDITIONS FOR A SITE, OR THE WORST CONDITIONS FOR A ROADWAY NETWORK.

TYPICAL RUSH-HOUR TRAFFIC THAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE A.M. PEAK HOUR, ARE TYPICAL SEVEN TO 8:00 P.M.-- 8:00 A.M. TIME IN THE MORNING.

FOR THE SCHOOL, PEAK HOURS ARE A LITTLE EARLIER, BECAUSE IT'S DURING THE DISMISSAL TIME. ROUND TWO OR 3:00 P.M.

THE REASON THAT I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE TRAFFIC FOR THE SCHOOL IS AT IT'S ABSOLUTE WORST.

THAT THE CONDITIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT THE PREVIOUS HEARINGS, WHAT ABOUT EVENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR.

AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO ARTICULATE HERE, AN EVENT AT SIX OR 7:00, WHATEVER TRAFFIC THAT GENERATES IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON PEAK HOURS FOR THE SCHOOL.

WHEN WE ARE PROJECTING TRAFFIC FOR A SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER SITE, THE KIND OF GO TO METHODOLOGY IS WHAT WE CALL THE INSTITUTE-- INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.

ITE FOR SHORT. THEY HAVE A TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, WHERE THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF DATA POINTS FOR ANY NUMBER OF LAND-USE YOU COULD IMAGINE, INCLUDING SCHOOLS.

AND WE TYPICALLY UTILIZE THAT WHEN WE ARE ESTIMATING TRAFFIC.

IT'S RELATIVELY ACCURATE. HOWEVER WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXISTING SITE LIKE THIS IT'S FAIRLY COMMON THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SCHOOL TRAFFIC WE KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS NOW.

WE GO OUT AND COUNT THE TRAFFIC AT THE SCHOOL.

FOR THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, WHAT WE DID IS WE DID DATA COLLECTION AT OUR DRIVEWAYS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF HOW MY TRIPS ARE WE CURRENTLY GENERATING AT THIS NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

AND THEN WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT DATA TO OUR BUILDOUT IN FUTURE CONDITIONS TO DETERMINE HOW MANY NEW TRIPS WE ARE GOING TO GENERATE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE ROADWAY NETWORK.

WHEN WE DO THAT, IT'S REALLY A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS FOR TWO PRIMARY REASONS. THE ITE, WHICH I JUST REFERENCED INDICATES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A K-12 SCHOOL, THE TRAFFIC PER STUDENT IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 20 TO 25% LESS THAN A K-8 SCHOOL.

WHY IS THAT? FOR A FEW REASONS.

NUMBER 1 YOU ARE NATURALLY GOING TO HAVE MORE SIBLINGS AT AK TO 12 SCHOOL THEN YOU WOULD K-8. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGER STUDENT POPULATION THERE. ALSO, OLDER STUDENTS TYPICALLY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKING OR BIKING.

YOU GET MORE OF THAT, AND YOU GET STUDENT DRIVERS.

STUDENT DRIVERS WILL COME IN AND PARK AND INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE SITE THERE IS JUST KIND OF ONE TRIP IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND ALL CAPS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ON THIS.

MY SON, HE IS 16 YEARS OLD, HE DOESN'T DRIVE TO SCHOOL BUT HIS FRIEND PICKS HIM UP. THERE IS NOTHING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS LIKE TO DO MORE THAN HAVE THEIR FRIENDS PICK THEM UP SO THAT THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT TAKING THEM TO SCHOOL.

FOR EXAMPLE HE RIDES IN THE CAR WITH THREE ARE FOUR OTHER PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS. SO I BRING THIS UP FOR THE REASON I'M STATING THAT WHEN WE DID THE TRIP GENERATION, WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A WORST-CASE SCENARIO, TAKING THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY TRIPS AND EXTRAPOLATING THAT, NOT TAKING A DISCOUT FOR WHAT A K-12 SCHOOL ULTMATELY WILL PROBABLY BE.

IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS TRIPS ON THE ROAD.

FINALLY, AND I MENTION THIS AT MY FIRST PRESENTATION, PASSED BY TRAFFIC, I DROP MY KIDS OFF AT SCHOOLS FOR YEARS AND YEARS WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE SCHOOL MY KIDS WENT TO IS ON MY WAY TO WORK.

SO I WAS NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL-- AN ADDITIONAL TRIP.

I WAS SIMPLY TURNING IN TO THE SCHOOL AND THEN GOING TO WORK.

WHEN WE DID THIS TRAFFIC STUDY WE ASSUMED THAT 0% FOR PASSED BY TRIPS. OF COURSE THAT IS NOT EVERYBODY.

NOT EVERYBODY IS DOING THAT. BUT THERE WILL BE SOME FACTOR INVOLVED THERE. WHEN WE PROJECT THIS TRAFFIC WE REALLY THINK WE ARE OVERSTATING IT IN THE ANALYSIS.

SO WHAT DO THE RESULTS SAY? EVEN THOUGH WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING CONSERVATIVE. ALL ROADWAYS MEET THE STANDARDS.

THE FTO T HAS LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY PUBLISH, AND WE UTILIZE THOSE. THE STAGGERED SCHEDULE REDUCES

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ALL VEHICLES CUEING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE SCHOOL SITE, UNLIKE THE MAJORITY OF MANY OTHER SCHOOLS THAT YOU SEE, WHERE IT EXTENDS ON TO THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK.

AND I'M GOING TO USE SOME WORDS INTERCHANGEABLY.

I APOLOGIZE. CUEING, STACKING.

THAT MEANS FOR THE PICKUP AND DROP-OFF, THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT CAN BE STAGED INTERNAL TO THE SITE BEFORE IT'S BLOCKING THE ROADWAY THAT YOU SEE SO MANY OTHER PLACES.

FINALLY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE PREPARED WAS REVIEWED BY YOUR OWN CITY-- THIRD PARTY, YOUR INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, AND BROWARD COUNTY TRAFFIC, AND VOLTAGRID WITH THE CONCLUSIONS.

TRAFFIC MITIGATION, I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS ALREADY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING IT UP AGAIN.

THE ON-SITE INGRESS VEHICLE TRACKING IS INCREASING FROM 188 TO 234. AND WE ADDED A BIT HERE THAT SHOWS WHAT THE MAX UTILIZATION IS.

CURRENTLY IT IS ABOUT 78%. IT'S PROJECTED TO GO TO ABOUT 7E INCREASE IN NUMBERS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON-SITE.

AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE BETTER.

THIS IS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS, ASSUMING THAT JERSEY BARRIER.

THAT JERSEY BARRIER THAT IS BEING REMOVED IS GOING TO HELP THAT PROCESSING RATE. WE THINK THAT WILL REDUCE THE CUBE QUITE A BIT. SO WE ARE ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL STAGGERED TIME. I WILL GET TO THAT IN A BIT MORE DETAIL LATER. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. WEARE CONSTRUCTING THE ROUNDABOUT AT HILLSBOROUGH AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE, YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT, IN THIS FINAL BULLET POINT I WANT TO MENTION, THE MONITORING CONDITIONS, AND I TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS WHAT I DO, THIS IS 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE. DAY IN, DAY OUT.

THE SET OF CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE MONITORING IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND RESTRICTIVE THAN ANY OTHER PROJECT I HAVE EVER BEEN A PART OF. AND THAT I HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS A BAD THING. I'M SAYING THAT'S A GOOD THING FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S A BELT AND SUSPENDERS HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO WORK.

SO HERE ARE THE TIMES, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TOP THEY ARE, THESE ARE THE EXISTING SCHOOL TIMES. YOU CAN SEE THAT-- IT THEY ARE, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS THE PROPOSED SCHOOL TIME.

SO THEY'S-- THESE MAYBE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY.

THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY SET IN STONE, BUT THE POINT OF THE SLIDE I WANT TO ILLUSTRATE IS THAT NINE TO 12.

SO THE MAJORITY OF NEW STUDENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THE SITE IS REALLY GOING TO BE FOR HIGH SCHOOL.

THERE WILL BE MORE OF THE OTHER GRADES AS WELL BUT THE MAJORITY WILL BE THAT HIGH SCHOOL. AND THAT START TIME, THEY WILL BE ALL GONE BY THE TIME YOU SEE THAT 730 START, BY THE TIME THE REST OF THE SCHOOL STARTS. LIKEWISE IT'S GOING TO END AT 215. BRINGING THE STUDENTS IN IN THIS MATTER IS REALLY BENEFICIAL. NUMBER 1 FOR A CUEING PERSPECTIVE, BUT ON THE OFF-SITE ROADWAYS TO MAKE SURE TRAFFIC IS MOVING AND IT'S-- EVERYTHING CIRCULATES FINE AROUND THE CAMPUS. ALWAYS STOP FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.

I'M GOING TO USE SOME WORDS INTERCHANGEABLY AGAIN.

ALWAYS STOP, FOUR WAY, THREE WAY, IT'S THE SAME THING.

THE POINT IS THAT YOU PULL UP TO AN INTERSECTION AND THERE IS A STOP EACH APPROACHES AND TURNS. ALWAYS STOPS, YOU CAN ASK ANY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, ARE TERRIBLY INEFFICIENT.

MY FAMILY HAS HEARD ME COMPLAIN ABOUT ALWAYS STOPS AROUND OUR HOUSE ALL THE TIME. SO THEY ARE TERRIBLE.

AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEM, AND YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS YOURSELF. IF YOU GO TO AN INTERSECTION WHERE IT'S AND ALWAYS STOP. AND THREE ARE FOUR VEHICLES ARRIVE AT ONE TIME, WHAT HAPPENS.

EVERYBODY IS STARING AT EACH OTHER.

WHO IS GOING TO GO. IT MAY TAKE THREE OR SIX SECONDS BEFORE SOMEBODY MOVES. EVERYBODY HAS TO STOP AND THERE IS A DELAY BEFORE ANYBODY MOVES. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS AS A VEHICLE FINALLY DECIDES TO GO AND SOMETIMES EVERYBODY WAITS FOR THEM TO GET FULLY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION BEFORE THE NEXT PERSON GOES, EVEN IF THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.

SO THESE ALWAYS STOPS THEY CREATE A LOT OF CONFUSION, THEY ARE REALLY NOT THE BEST TYPE OF TRAFFIC CONTROL ANYWHERE.

THE ROUNDABOUTS WE ARE PROPOSING.

THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A TWO XOR DOUBLE THE CAPACITY OF ALWAYS STOPS. SO THAT MEANS YOU CAN GET ABOUT TWICE AS MANY VEHICLES THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT THEN YOU,-- KEN WHEN YOU HAVE AND ALWAYS STOP TRAFFIC CONTROL CONDITION.

TO ILLUSTRATE THIS POINT ON THE THIRD BULLET POINT HERE, WE CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. HILLSBOROUGH UNIVERSITY RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE EXISTING PEAK HOUR CONDITIONS, THE AVERAGE DELAY IS ABOUT 23 SECONDS. OFTEN TIMES IT MAYBE WORSE FOR

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SO IT'S ABOUT AN 82ND DECREASE. I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE INEFFICIENCIES THAT I MENTIONED.

ROUNDABOUTS ALSO AND YOU'RE PROBABLY WELL AWARE IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND, HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY FEWER CONFLICT POINTS AND INCREASE SAFETY SUBSTANTIALLY FOR OTHER TYPES OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. JUST IN SUMMARY REAL QUICK, THIS IS STUFF I REPEATED. BUT AT AND ALWAYS STOP, EVERY VEHICLE MUST COME TO A STOP. AT THE ROUNDABOUT, VEHICLES NEVER REALLY FULLY STOP. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO.

CIRCULATING, TRAFFIC FLOWS CONTINUOUSLY.

AND YOUR CITY TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ACTUALLY DID A ANALYSIS AT THE OLD CLUB ROAD UNIVERSITY INTERSECTION.

AND THE RESULTS WERE THAT THE NUMBER OF CRASHES DID-- DECREASED. SO SAFETY IMPROVED AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT OLD CLUB ROAD AND UNIVERSITY. SO THIS IS THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO GREAT DETAIL ON IT. BUT A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I WILL POINT OUT. WHAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE, IT'S HARD TO SEE IN ALL THIS, WE CAN REFER BACK TO IT.

THERE IS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICERS.

SHOWING WHERE THEY ARE, CROSSING GUARDS AND STAFF MEMBERS.

THAT GREENLINE IS OUR CIRCULATION LINE.

THAT'S OUR INGRESS LINE. THAT'S HOW WE GET THE 234 VEHICLES, TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE IN WRAPPING AROUND THE SCHOOL SITE AND BACK FOR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP.

AND TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THIS FURTHER, THE 234 VEHICLES, THAT EQUALS ABOUT 19 FOOTBALL FIELDS. SO THAT'S ABOUT HOW LARGE IT IS, 19 FOOTBALL FIELDS OF STACKING. THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN.

THERE IS ALSO AN ORANGE THING TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN CACKLES OR OVERFLOW LANES IN ORANGE.

IN WESTBOUND, MEANING IF CUEING WAS EVER AN ISSUE, WHICH WE DO NOT THINK IT WILL BE BY ANY MEANS, WE CAN STACK EXTRA VEHICLES BY DOING AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.

TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE.

FINALLY, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT ON HERE AND I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF ILLUSTRATING IT, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE TURN LANES GOING IN TO THE SCHOOL.

SO THERE IS A LARGE EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE ON HILLSBOROUGH THAT GOES IN TO OUR SCHOOL DRIVEWAY.

AND THERE IS A LONG WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE THAT GOES INTO THE SCHOOL DRIVEWAY ON HILLSBOROUGH.

SOME TIMESCALE IS LOST ON THESE TYPES OF EXHIBITS.

IF YOU DRIVE BY THEIR YOU CAN SEE HOW LONG THEY ARE.

THEY ARE ABOUT 4500 FEET IN LENGTH, WHICH IS ABOUT DOUBLE YOUR TYPICAL TURN LANE. THIS IS HUGE.

SO MANY TIMES AT SCHOOLS AS I'VE SEEN EVEN IF THEY HAVE GOOD STACKING INTERNALLY THEY HAVE SHORT LEFT TURN LANES OUTSIDE THEIR SCHOOL FOR EXAMPLE. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT CREATES A BACKUP ON TO THE THROUGH ROADWAY NETWORK BECAUSE THERE WAITING FOR GAPS IN THE ROAD BEFORE THEY CAN TURN LEFT IN TO THE SCHOOL. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AT OUR SITE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE TURN LANES THAT WE HAVE.

FURTHER, WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICERS THERE.

SO THE OFFICER AT THE DRIVEWAY OF THE SCHOOL IN HILLSBOROUGH, IF HE SEES THAT TURN LANE BACKING UP HE CAN STOP THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND LET THOSE VEHICLES IN TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.

SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS COMPARISON.

I PREPARED THIS GRAPH ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL ONE. I'VE SINCE ADDED STILLMAN DOUGLAS. I MAY NOT HAVE THAT EXACTLY CORRECT, SO I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE EXACT NUMBER THERE. BUT THIS IS A COMPARISON FOR THE AMOUNT OF ON-SITE STACKING THAT THEY HAVE VERSUS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT THEY HAVE. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A PERFECT COMPARISON. THESE SCHOOLS HAVE BUSSES SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EXACT. BUT IT REALLY ILLUSTRATES THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE OTHER SCHOOLS TYPICALLY RANGE FROM 50 STACKING SPACES UP TO 113. SO THAT IS THE RANGE.

BUT ALL OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE DISMISSED AT ONE TIME, OR THEY ARRIVE AT ONE TIME, OR DISMISS AT ONE TIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE RANGES IN THE NUMBERS.

IF YOU LOOK TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WE HAVE THAT 234, BUT THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE RELEASED AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME IS 462 TO 672. SO WHEN WE ARE DOING THIS WE

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THAT IS FIVE TIMES LARGER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER LOCAL SCHOOLS, IN SOME CASES MUCH LARGER THAN THAT.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS OUR INTERNAL CIRCULATION LINE.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OUR OVERFLOW LANES THAT I TALKED ABOUT OR THOSE LONG TURN LANES WE HAVE RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR SCHOOLS AS WELL, WHERE IF YOU INCLUDE BOTH OF THOSE THAT INCREASES OUR STACKING NOT QUITE 50 PERCENT, BUT IT GETS US TO 333 STACKING SPACES. AND JUST TO SHOW, I AM NOT PICKING ON PARKLAND SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY GOOD COMPARED TO OTHER SCHOOLS I SEE. HERE IS THE COMPARISON TO CORAL SPRINGS SCHOOL. YOU CAN SEE THOSE RANGES THEY ARE FROM 18 TO 19 ON-SITE SPACES UP TO 71.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY STUDENTS THEY HAVE FOR DID SPURRED DISMISSAL. AND IN COMPARISON, THESE OTHER SCHOOLS SIX TIMES HAVE MORE CUEING PER STUDENT THAN THOSE DO. AND THAT IS IN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. IN MANY CASES IT IS TEN TIMES MORE. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THEM SUCH AS PARKE SPRINGS ELEMENTARY, OR EAGLE RIDGE, THAT WE ARE TEN TIMES THAT RANGE. FUTURE GROWTH.

SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

AT THE PASSED COUPLE COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE FUTURE GROWTH.

OUR TRAFFIC STUDY ALREADY INCORPORATES AN IMPROVED PROJECT-- APPROVED PROJECT THAT INCORPORATES BACKGROUND GROWTH ALREADY. ANY TIME MAY DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED. WHEN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PERFORM TRAFFIC STUDIES AT THAT TIME, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SCHOOL TRAFFIC.

LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HENDRICKS PROPERTY.

THE HENDRICKS PROPERTY WILL BE REQUIRED TO EXTEND HILLSBORO.

AND THIS WILL BE A GOOD THING. THIS GOING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD AND REDUCE TRAFFIC ON HOME BIRD AND EVEN UNIVERSITY, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL AS FAR SOUTH ON UNIVERSITY BEFORE GETTING TO THE ROAD.

AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY AND ANIMAL-- ANALYZATION. AND THE GRAPH THAT I SHALL IN THE RIGHT HERE THIS IS CALLED THE BROWARD COUNTY TRAFFIC WASTE MANAGEMENT. AND IT SHOWS THAT EXTENSION OF HILLSBORO. TRAFFIC MONITORING.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING, AND SOMETHING THAT WE WILL OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE TO DO. THE WAY THIS WORKS IS ON A MONTHLY BASIS SITE OBSERVATIONS ARE PERFORMED OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

SO WERE LOOKING AT HILLSBORO, UNIVERSITY DRIVE, OUR TURN LANES, THE ON-SITE CUEING, AND WE ARE ENSURING THAT ANY KIND OF-- THERE IS NO TRAFFIC SPILLOVER ON TO HILLSBORO OR UNIVERSITY DRIVE BLOCKING THROUGH LANES.

AND IF SOMETHING IS, MITIGATION IS REQUIRED.

AND WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO ONCE A YEAR IS AN ANNUAL MONITORING REPORT AND THIS IS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO MONTHLY REPORTS BUT IT GOES MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT.

INSTEAD OF KIND OF DOING SITE OBSERVATIONS WE KIND OF ACTUALLY DO DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS. WE COLLECT DATA AT THE DRIVEWAYS, WE COLLECT CUEING DATA FOR THE DROP-OFF AND PICKUP AND WE LOOK AT HILLSBOROUGH DRIVE WHERE TRAFFIC COUNTS THEY ARE. WE DO THAT DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSE HOW IT IS PERFORMING. WHAT THE DELAY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS, AND WE PROJECT TRAFFIC OUT BASED ON FUTURE ENROLLMENT. AND THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.

BECAUSE IF WE FIND THAT IT'S WORKING NOW, IT'S KIND OF PROACTIVE, IT HELPS US ADDRESS TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THE FUTURE, THEN WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A COUPLE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO THIS. AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES FOUND, MITIGATION IS REQUIRED TO CORRECT THAT.

EVENT PARKING, WE'VE HAD THIS SLIDE IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE JUST HAVE IT WRITTEN AS A BACKUP.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET TO IT.

I WANT TO TALK A MINUTE LIGHT-- ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE YELLOW BOXES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SCHOOL SITE. RIGHT NOW OUR STANDARD PARKING WE HAVE IN OUR PARKING LOT, WE HAVE ABOUT 204 CARS THERE.

BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE TWO LANES THAT WRAP UP ALL AROUND THE SCHOOLS, WE CAN ADD ABOUT AN EXTRA 123 CARS FOR THIS.

SO WE CAN GET PER SPECIAL EVENT ABOUT 327 VEHICLES PARKED ON THE CAMPUS. AND THIS WORKS OUT WELL.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST PROPOSED, THIS IS WHAT THE NOW FOR EVENTS. THIS IS WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO IF IT'S A LARGE EVENT, THOSE THINGS CAN BE STAGGERED TOO.

IF YOU HAVE A MEET THE TEACHER ORIENTATION IT DOESN'T HAVE TO YOU CAN BREAK THAT OUT THERE A FEW DIFFERENT NIGHTS TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING. AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS NOT A LARGE HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SCHOOL.

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THE OFF-SITE AGREEMENTS, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

WE DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, BUT IT SERVES SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED. IF IT IS SOMETHING REQUESTED BY THE CITY. THANK YOU.

>> I WANTED TO CLOSE BY REITERATING WHAT BRIAN TOUCHED ON. THE AGREEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN PLACE AND IT HAD MONTHLY AND ANNUAL MONITORING REQUIREMENTS.

THIS FIRST AMENDED AGREEMENT, ANTHONY AND I HAVE ALL BEEN WORKING ON THIS EXTENSIVELY. IT PROVIDES FURTHER AND ADDED SAFEGUARDS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.

AND I KNOW I TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR LAST MEETING, WITH THE NEW WRAP-UP SCHEDULE, WITH THE MONTHLY AND ANNUAL MONITORING AT THE ANNUAL RAMP-UP, IT CREATES A CAP AND IF YOU NEED TO FLUSH THAT OUT OR DISCUSS THAT IN DETAIL, UP ANTHONY AND I NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO WORK ON MORE LANGUAGE TO FURTHER EMPHASIZE THAT, IT IS SOMETHING THE SCHOOL HAS ACKNOWLEDGED.

WE WILL BE DOING THIS MONTHLY AND ANNUAL TESTING.

WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO MITIGATE AND REMEDIATE AS NECESSARY.

THE ONE OTHER ITEM, AND ONE OF YOU SAID THIS AT ONE POINT DURING THE MEETING. IS TALKING TO BRIAN ABOUT IT DURING THE MEETING. I FEEL LIKE I BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT ON THE RECORD. BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO ADDED TO THOSE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT NETWORK-- MENTIONED IN THE AGREEMENT, AND ALL THE ANNUAL AND MONTHLY MONITORING WE WOULD BE DOING, WE WOULD COME BACK ON THE ANNUAL BASIS AFTER THE REPORTS ARE SUBMITTED AND MAKE THAT PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, SO THAT YOU ARE ALL AWARE, THESE NUMBERS, 11, 54, 14, 54, THAT WE ARE COMING AND PRESENTING TO YOU AND ESTABLISHING BASED ON BRIAN'S ANALYSIS AND JOHN'S REVIEW THAT EVERYTHING IS WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING.ANT. THE IDEA HERE IS TO HAVE A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH. JOHN HAS LIGHTSEY WILL PRESENT ON, AND WE ARE HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL TO DISCUSS.

>> THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO SHOW HOW TO...

WHERE IS MY PRESENTATION? >> PERFECT.

AND THEN WE ARE HERE. >> MY NAME IS JOHN, I'M A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I STOPPED COUNTING MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AT 30. I HAVE ABOUT 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE CONSULTANT AND ABOUT FIVE YEARS WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. I HOLD A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING LICENSE WITH THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

AND I HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER CERTIFICATION.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE REVIEW OF THIS DEVELOPED ABOUT FIVE YEARS. SINCE 2021.

WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS A LIST OF DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THAT I REVIEW. AND THE ACTIONS THAT I TOOK AROUND THAT REVIEW. AS PART OF THE INITIAL APPROVAL, RESOLUTION 2018 DESK 062, IT ESTABLISHED A TRAFFIC MORATORIUM REVIEWS, THAT'S WHERE I STARTED MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT, AND THE AGREEMENT INCLUDED THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC ENGINEER REVIEWING IF THE APPLICANT-- WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE PRESENTING.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. I'D BEEN DOING THE REVIEWS.

NOW, LIK I SAID, THIS FALLS UNDER THE ENGINEER FOR THE CITY.

I REPRESENT THE CITY. INITIAL MONITORING GOT DELAYED DUE TO COVID. BUT WAS ALSO EXTENDED BECAUSE WE STARTED LATER. AND IT HAS CONTINUED UP TO NOW WITH THE REVIEW OF THE EXPANSION FOR THE SCHOOL.

SOME OF THE FINDINGS OF MY REVIEW TO THE FIVE YEARS INCLUDE

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WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE IS THAT THERE IS ONE SECTION WHERE THE DROP-OFF AND PICKUP HAPPENED. BUT BEFORE THAT THERE IS STAFF STOPPING CARS ASKING WHEN THE STUDENT WILL BE PICKED UP.

SO THE LINE AT THE END OF THE CUEING CAN CORRESPOND WITH THE CARS. SO THE STUDENTS LINE ARE THE SAME WAY THE CARS ARE COMING IN. THEY HAVE ALSO MODIFIED THE TIMINGS FOR THE OPENING OF THE GATES.

AND THAT RELATES-- YOU HAVE THREE CUES WITHIN ONE.

PEOPLE WHO COME EARLIER FOR THE DROP-OFF AND PICKUP.

IF THEY COME TO EARLY AND NOBODY OPENS THE GATES, THEY COULD SPILL INTO THE TRUE TRAFFIC ZONE.

AS PART OF THE REVIEWS THEY DO THE WARRANTS, THEY ARE STANDARDS, NATIONAL STANDARDS AND THE CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY-- ACCESS POINT OF THE SCHOOL AND THE INTERSECTION OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE DO NOT MEET THE STANDARDS. THE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS EXPANSION IS TO IMPLEMENT A ROUNDABOUT.

AT THE INTERSECTION OF HILLSBOROUGH FULL OF UP-- BOULEVARD DRIVE. RYAN REFERRED TO A DELAY OF PRODUCTION. BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THEY HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THERE. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST EIGHT SECONDS AVERAGE FOR EACH VEHICLE.

AGAIN THE WARRANTS ARE NOT MEANT FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

AND AS RYAN STATED, WE CONCUR THAT IF AND WHEN FARM COMES IN, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.

AND THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE IS MAINTAINING THE OFFICERS LOCATIONS. AND CONSIDERING GIVING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A MARKED BLOCK PROCESSING-- CROSSING AT THE ACCESS POINT FOR THE SCHOOL. THE FIRST BULLET AND THE SECOND BULLET, BECAUSE THEY ARE ON HILLSBORO FINAL APPROVAL DEPENDS ON BROWARD COUNTY. WE ARE INCOORDINATION WITH THEM TO IMPLEMENT THOSE AND APPROVE THEM.

SO THE CONCLUSION OF THE REVIEW IS THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT IS BEING PRESENTED WE HAVE IT CONCLUDED WITH BROWARD COUNTY THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS THE STANDARDS WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IMPROVEMENTS TO MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS THEIR NO SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

BOTH INTERSECTIONS AND THE CORRESPONDING HILLSBORO AND UNIVERSITY. FINALLY, WE ALSO CONCUR THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOES

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> A COUPLE THINGS.

I'M GOING OVER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING.

MAYBE THE COMMISSIONER UP HOW WE FACTORED IN FUTURE EXPANSION OF

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THE BROWARD HEALTH AROUND THE CORNER, AND OBVIOUSLY THE OPENING UP OF HILLSBOROUGH EVENTUALLY.

BUT CAN YOU TALK A BIT ABOUT WHAT CALCULATIONS WERE FACTORED

IN TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? >> IT IS A STANDARD PRACTICE TO INCLUDE ANY PROJECT THAT GETS APPROVED BUT NOT BUILT.

SO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, EVEN DIFFERENT TO BELLMAN'S ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CONST CONSTRUCTED.

SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE COUNTED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ALSO CALCULATE BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA OF TRAFFIC. OF PERCENTAGE GROWTH.

WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED ARE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE KENDRICKS FARM, THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.

>> BUT THE OTHER THREE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED? I UNDERSTAND THE HENDRIX FARM. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S AN UNKNOWN FUTURE. BUT WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE BASED ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, THE PARK AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF MORE COMMERCIAL OR SOME MEDICAL RELATED--

>> I DON'T THINK THEY DID THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT APPROVED. >> CORRECT.

>> THE SCHOOL AND THE MEDICAL SITE, THERE IS NO SITE PLAN OR APPROVAL FOR THOSE. SO THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED.

BUT WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT WE ACTUALLY FACTOR IN ADDITIONAL GROWTH. SO EVEN IF IT IS NOT DIRECTLY INCLUDED, WHERE WE ARE TAKING THE EXACT TRAFFIC STUDY AND EXTRAPOLATING THOSE TRIPS, WE ARE FACTORING IN A GROWTH RATE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT KIND OF SIMULATES THOSE ANYWAY.

SO IN A WAY IT IS FACTORED IN, EVEN IF IT IS NOT DIRECTLY AT

SITE. >> I GET IT.

AND IT'S A HARD POSITION. BUT AS I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WHEN IT CAME UP IN THE MEETING LAST, IT WAS HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR AND PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IN LIGHT OF THE FACT.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT.

WHERE THOSE COME IN, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDY AND ADDRESS THEIR OWN IMPACT.

THAT'S THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE ON HOW TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE DONE. IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND AND ALL THE WAY OVER TO BROWARD COUNTY AND SOUTH FLORIDA.

>> THERE IS NO WAY TO EVEN RUN ANY MODELS BASED ON WHAT A SCHOOL ON THAT STREET WILL DO, A PARK ON THAT STREET WILL DO.

>> THE PARK IS FACTORED INTO THE GROWTH.

WHEN I SAY PARK, THE PEAKS ARE SO DIFFERENT.

THE PARK, YOU'RE BUSY AT NIGHT, ON THE WEEKENDS.

THE SCHOOL IS BUSY. THE SCHOOLS WEARS TIME IS SEVEN, 8:00 IN THE MORNING. EVEN THE DISMISSAL TIME OF THE SCHOOL, SIX, 7:00 ON SATURDAYS, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ON THE PEAK. AND IT'S FACTORED INTO THE BACKGROUND GROWTH WE DID WITH THAT.

WE DID AT A PARKIN ROYALE, THOSE NUMBERS OF HOMES HAVE NOT BEEN FINISHED UP ON THE CORNER. THOSE ARE INCLUDED DIRECTLY AS

WELL. >> HOW ABOUT SALTGRASS AROUND

THE CORNER? >> I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE THAT

IS. >> IT'S WITHIN HERON BAY.

>> AND ON THE ZONES, A LITTLE BIT WAS HAPPENING TODAY.

THE LANES, YOU ARE GETTING RID OF THE ENTRANCE OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE, RIGHT? SO THE LANE FOR OUTSIDE THE GATE QUEUING ON UNIVERSITY DRIVE WILL NOT BE HELPFUL AT ALL?

>> CORRECT. EVERYONE WILL COME THROUGH

HILLSBOROUGH. >> DOESN'T THAT CREATE AN ISSUE WITH THE STAGGERED SCHEDULES? WILL YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN LINE FOR ONE PICKUP, AND YOUR PICKUP DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR TWO MORE?

>> WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED FOR THAT.

WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM ARRIVING SUPER EARLY. BUT WE KNOW IT IS A REALITY.

AND BUT WE CAN DO IS WE HAVE ALL THIS ADDITIONAL STACKING.

WE CAN STAGE THEM INTERNALLY AT A LOCATION SO THAT THEY ARE STACKED THERE VERSUS BEING STACKED OFF SITE.

FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE OVERFLOW LANES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE PRINCIPAL AND DIET-- AND I DISCUSSED, IF SOMEONE GETS EARLY WE CAN STACK THERE SO IT'S OUT OF THE WAY OR WE CAN UTILIZE THE SPOTS WE HAVE ON SITE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

>> THE INTERNAL ISSUE IS THAT IT'S ONLY GOOD WHEN THE GATES

ARE OPEN. >> CORRECT.

WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HE SCHOOL IS DONE IN THE PAST TO CORRECT ISSUES.

LIKE ALL RIGHT, WE ARRIVED EARLY, WE NEED TO OPEN THE GATES

EARLY. >> I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO

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WHAT THEY TYPICALLY DO IS THEY LOOK OUTSIDE AND SAY OKAY, WE HAVE A VEHICLE STACKED HERE. LET'S OPEN THE GATE SO THEY CAN COME AND IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY ISSUES.

>> WE TYPICALLY HAVE DISMISSALS AT 2:45 P.M.

BUT WE ARE COUNSELLEE MONITORING BECAUSE THERE ARE DAYS WHERE WE HAVE MORE PARENTS WHO CHOOSE TO ARRIVE EARLY.

SO WE MONITORED OUT SO WE CAN OPEN THE GATES TO ALLEVIATE THAT. AND ON THE OTHER NOTE, THE DIFFERENT STAGGERED TIMES, WE ALREADY ACCOMMODATE THAT INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PARENTS THAT ARRIVE BEFORE THE SCHEDULED. SO THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC PLACE IN LINE WHERE THEY WAIT AND WE ALREADY STARTED THAT FOR THE DROP OFF PROCESS AS OF LAST WEEK, SO THEY CAN START PRACTICING FOR NEXT SCHOOL YEAR SINCE WE WON'T BE USING UNIVERSITY GATE. AND THEY CERTAINLY WEREN'T THRILLED, BUT IT'S BEEN WORKING AND EVERYBODY IS INSIDE AND WE'VE NOT HAD ANY TRAFFIC OUTSIDE.

>> I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE LESS OF AN ISSUE WITH PARKS STAFFING. THESE NEW STUDENTS WILL BE COMING IN PROBABLY AT THE VERY END.

>> BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE GATES OPEN.

I CAN IMAGINE THE ONLY TIME WILL HAVE AN ISSUE.

>> WE HAVE A HOLDING SPOT FOR THEM, AND LOOK YOU NOTICED THE START TIMES, THE HIGH SCHOOL START IS ACTUALLY FROM THE NECK START TIME, IT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE GREATEST GAP.

>> AREN'T THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS COMING IN THE SAME ENTRANCE?

>> BUT THE NEXT SET OF STUDENTS COMING IN IS 30 MINUTES LATER.

SO IT FACILITATES THAT GROUP OF STUDENTS TO COME IN AND OUT AND IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE ALMOST WHAT WE CURRENTLY--

>> WHAT'S THERE TRAFFIC RODE? FOR THE KIDS WERE DRIVING?

>> THEY WOULD STILL BE COMING IN THROUGH THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.

AND INSTEAD OF CONTINUING THE QUEUE, THEY HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND TO THEIR PARKING SPOTS. SO THEY WOULD BE COMING OUT OF

THE Q. >> THOSE ARE THE OVERFLOW LANES?

>> THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS FOR THE STUDENTS SO THEY WOULD GO INTO THERE. AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR PARKING WOULD BE. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THAT TO ME COULD BE AN ISSUE BUT MAYBE IT COULD BE MITIGATED.

>> I DON'T KNOW I HAVE THE JURISDICTION.

>> BUT ALSO THOSE TURN LANES, HOW MANY CARS DO THEY HOLD.

>> THEY ARE FOUR TO 500 FEET. 16 TO 18 RANGE.

I USED TO HAVE IT IN MY REPORT HERE.

>> INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY ONE? >> UNIVERSITY IS SHORTER.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HILLSBOROUGH ONES.

>> WITH THE OVERALL TRAFFIC PLANE, THE 78 SPOTS INSTEAD OF 34, WHY IS IT THE UNIVERSITY ENTRANCE A VIABLE ENTRANCE FOR

STUDENTS ARRIVING THEMSELVES. >> IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT ON-SITE CIRCULATION AND FLOW. AND THE PROBLEM IS IF WE BROUGHT KIDS OFF OF UNIVERSITY IT THEN CREATES AN IMMEDIATE CONFLICT WITH THE VEHICLES COMING OFF OF HILLSBOROUGH.

AND IT CREATES AMERGE INTERSECTION INTERNAL TO THE SCHOOL AND THAT WOULD CAUSE BACKUP.

SO BY HAVING THE SINGULAR ENTRANCE IT ALLOWS IT TO KIND OF FLOW MUCH BETTER. AND THAT COULD-- IF I COULD FIND A WAY TO GET BACK TO MY SLIDE-- I COULD SHOW--

>> I WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE EARLIER ISSUE ON THE PREDICTIVE PLANNING. I KNOW THAT WAS MY COLLEAGUE-- MY COLLEAGUES ISSUE. IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO RUN BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING, IT MODELS WITH SOME SORT OF EXTRAPOLATION OF WHAT HAPPENS IF AND WHEN ANOTHER SCHOOL IS ON THAT ROAD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> I UNDERSTAND IT SOMEWHAT SPECULATIVE, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE-- IF YOU TAKE A SCHOOL OF THIS SIZE FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY AND PUT IT THERE, WHAT

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>> THEY ARE NOT BUILDING A SCHOOL THERE AT ANY TIME.

>> I UNDERSTAND. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> YOU ALSO HAVE TRAIL END SO-- THEY WON'T EVEN BE USING

HILLSBOROUGH. >> THEY WILL BE USING

UNIVERSITY. >> WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION TOO. CAN'T WEEK WE.

>> THAT'S LOGICAL TO ME, YES. UNIVERSITY.

BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE MODELING COMES IN.

THE MODELING COULD TELL US, OKAY-- AND I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A MEDICAL CENTER. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WITH THE IMPACT ON UNIVERSITY? HOW WILL IT IMPACT HILLSBOROUGH? THEY ARE NOT FAR FROM EACH OTHER.

SO JUST CONSIDERING THAT. AND I WANTED TO MAKE ONE OTHER STATEMENT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE IT PEOPLE. ARE THERE WAYS TO...

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE DO THAT ON THE REGULAR, NO MATTER WHAT. SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, WHENEVER WE SEE THAT THERE ARE MORE PARENTS ARRIVING EARLY.

WE SEND NOTIFICATIONS REMINDING THEM OF WHAT THEIR DROP-OFF TIMES ARE. WE ASKED THEM NOT TO ARRIVE PRIOR TO A CERTAIN TIME. ABSOLUTELY.

>> I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE PARENTS WHO COME 45 MINUTES EARLY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 45 MINUTES IN LINE.

IT'S LIKE OH, I'M GOING TO BE FIRST IN LINE.

45 MINUTES EARLY. SO I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 45-- [LAUGHTER] B JUST REGARDING THE EFFERENT-- ENTRANCE ON UNIVERSITY 41, THAT WAS A CHANGE FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE FIELD. ORIGINALLY THEY HAVE THAT ENTRANCE OPEN. BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT BRIAN SAID, THE CONFLICT WE OBSERVED, THEY CLOSED IT, AND IT LOOKS BETTER WITHOUT IT. WE DID TRY IN THE BEGINNING.

>> I JUST MENTIONED, THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 78 KIDS DRIVING THEMSELVES TO SCHOOL, TAKING THEM OUT OF THE MAIN LOOP AND THE ENTRANCE I IMAGINE WOULD

HELP. >> YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT, BUT IN PRACTICE IT DID NOT. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS TRAFFIC. RIGHT? SO THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS COMING IN AT THAT GATE WAS--

>> DID YOU GUYS FACTOR IN-- IT'S SPECULATIVE ABOUT THE 78, BUT THIS IS FIRST WE ARE HEARING NOW, 34 STUDENTS WERE ABLE TO PARK BEFORE AND IT IS SPECULATIVE STILL.

IF A CITY PASSES AN ORDINANCE ALLOWING THE TIGHTER PARKING YOU WILL ALLOW-- THAT ANOTHER 34. SO NOW YOU HAVE 78 POTENTIAL

STUDENTS DRIVING. >> THAT WAS FACTORED IN.

AND LET ME FIND THE SLIDE REAL QUICK.

IT MIGHT ILLUSTRATE THE POINT A LITTLE BIT.

THE MORNING Q IS TYPICALLY NOT VERY BAD.

YOU CAN IMAGINE IT'S MUCH FASTER TO DROP OFF A KID THAN IT IS TO PICK UP A KID. TYPICALLY YOU ARE NOT WAITING.

THE A.M. PEAK HOURS, MORE OF A TRAFFIC BASED, THERE IS A HIGHER VOLUME. BUT THE INTERNAL Q IS NOT AS LARGE. IF I COULD FOLLOW THIS ON HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT ROUGH. YOU'RE FOLLOWING THIS OUTSIDE GREEN AND YOU TURN IN HERE, ONE OF THESE TWO FOR HIGH SCHOOL PARKING. SO YOU ARE OUT OF THIS LINE ALREADY TO BE ABLE TO PARK AND EVERYONE CIRCULATES AROUND.

AND BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT SO LARGE IN THE MORNING, IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY ISSUES BECAUSE THEY CAN BRIEF RODE-- FREE FLOW PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY TO THE LOCATION.

>> IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO WHERE THE NUMBERS OF THE STUDENTS THAT YOU HAVE PER ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL TIME.

>> IT'S KIND OF SHOWN HERE. >> RIGHT THERE.

YOU HAVE 462. 500 TO 700 ROUGHLY FOR EACH ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL TIME. 230 OF WHICH COULD BE PILED IN TO THAT STACKING B BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS A CAR THE OTHER ONES ARE SCHOOL BUSSES. THEY DOUBLE UP.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE IS NO OTHER TRANSPORTATION.

>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THEY ARE

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THE STACKING. >> CORRECT.

AND HISTORICALLY WE HAVE AROUND 15% WALKERS AND BIKERS, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD. PARTICULARLY IN THE AFTERNOON.

THERE IS AFTERCARE, AFTER-SCHOOL ACTIVITIES.

SO IT'S NOT EVERYBODY ENDS UP LEAVING AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND NUMBERS IS NOT ONE FOR ONE PER STUDENT. IT'S LESS THAN THAT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE NOT SCHOOL BUSSES LIKE THOSE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I DON'T WANT TO DISMISS THAT COMMENT, BECAUSE IT'S ACCURATE.

>> I WILL JUST SAY IN TALKING WITH RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS THAT SPEAK TO ME, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS THIS WHOLE IDEA OF FUTURE GROWTH, WITH THE THINGS W TALKED ABOUT, VICE MAYOR BRIAR, WHEN YOU SAID YOU BUILT-IN THAT FUTURE GROWTH, NOT KNOWING ALL OF THE DETAILS, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT?

>> GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S TWO THINGS.

IT'S LOOKING AT THE APPROVED PROJECTS, AND I MENTIONED EARLIER-- THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORICAL DATA, YOU LOOK AT HERE IS OUR EXISTING HERE AND NOW VERSUS TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, AND LOOK AT THAT DATA TO SEE HOW MUCH GROWTH HAS OCCURRED? WE FOUND WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY 0 PERCENT, OR VERY LITTLE GROWTH IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT WHEN WE DO THAT WE USE A MINIMUM NUMBER.

SO WE ACTUALLY ASSUME A 1% GROWTH INCREASING FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS ON TOP OF THOSE APPROVED PROJECTS.

AND THAT IS PRETTY-- SO WE DO A 1% GROWTH OVER FIVE YEARS.

1% PER YEAR. ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OVER FIVE YEARS. AND THAT TENDS TO BE CONSERVATIVE. IT USUALLY DOESN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY. PARTICULARLY IN AN AREA LIKE THIS WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF THROUGH TRAFFIC, THE ONLY IMPACT YOUR GETTING IS SITES WITHIN YOUR CITY. YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES GET.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE APPROVED PROJECT.

THIS IS STANDARD. THIS IS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. I MENTION THAT THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING, I PREPARED A TRAFFIC STUDY WE DID BACK FOR THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, VERSUS WHAT THE VOLUMES WERE TODAY, AND WE DID THE SAME TYPE OF METHODOLOGY, WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE HISTORICAL GROWTH, AND THE VOLUMES THAT ARE OU THERE TODAY ARE ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED AT THAT TIME.

SO WE OVERSTATED THE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S MENTION THAT COULD BE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. THE GROWTH RATE, WHICH TENDS TO BE CONSERVATIVE, AND THAT PASSED BY STUFF I WAS TALKING ABOUT AT THE SCHOOL. IT WAS.

BUT WE TOOK OUT CORRECT-- CORRECT.

I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THAT 2020 TO 2022 DATA.

REALLY 2020 TO 2021 WERE BAD. SO THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE WOULD DISREGARD THOSE NUMBERS.

>> I REMEMBER 2018 WHEN THIS WAS THE HOT TOPIC AND THIS WAS GOING TO RUIN PARKLAND AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED.

AND MOST OF THOSE CONCERNS DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE IS NOT-- ANY TIME YOU BUILD A SCHOOL YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT DURING SCHOOL TIMES.

BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT BEING A SCHOOL, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER RETAIL FACILITY IS YOU KNOW, FROM 730 TO 830, YOU WILL HAVE SOME TRAFFIC. AND THEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY TRAFFIC UNTIL 215, AND BY 4:00 O'CLOCK IT IS DONE.

>> BUT NOW WITH THE STAGGER, THE FOUR STAGES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE YOU HAVE DOUBLE THE KIDS.

>> BUT THEY ARE JUST ADDING ONE PROPOSED.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 730-- SEVEN TO 930?

>> BY 845 THAT'S WHEN SCHOOL STARTS.

>> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE KIDS BEFORE 730.

IT'S PROBABLY A TWO HOUR WINDOW. >> --

>> ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION AS WELL.

THIS SITE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR 110,000 SQUARE-FOOT

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THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ASSUMED FOR.

>> REGARDLESS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IT WAS THE CAP OF 1280.

>> THAT WAS PRIOR-- THE 110 WAS PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL.

PRIOR TO THAT 1280. IF WE WERE-- IF THIS WAS EVER BUILT AS A 110,000 SQUARE-FOOT SHOPPING CENTER, AS WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, THE NUMBER OF DAILY TRIPS WAS ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT THE SCHOOL GENERATES NOW. RECOGNIZE NOW THE SCHOOL FROM A DAILY PERSPECTIVE IS NOT NECESSARILY HUGE, IT'S THAT CONDENSED PERIOD YOU HAVE TO CONCERNED WITH WITH THE SCHOOL.

AND THAT IS WHERE WE STAGGER AND TRY TO SPREAD IT OUT TO MAKE IT MORE TOLERABLE AND MAKE SURE INSTEAD OF PUSHING EVERYTHING WITHIN A 30 MINUTE WINDOW AND YOU HAVE MAJOR ISSUES ON THE

ROADS. >> I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU TRIED TO KEEP THE THREE START TIMES IT WOULD MAKE TRAFFIC-- THAT WOULD MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE. IT WOULD BE A SHORTER TIME, BUT

IT WOULD BE MORE TRIPS. >> YES.

>> YOU HAVE A CAPACITY THAT IS MOVING OVER TIME WITH GEOMETRY.

IF YOU HAVE TWO WEIGEL HAVE MORE CAPACITY IN ONE LANE.

BUT IN 15 MINUTES YOU HAVE LOWER CAPACITY THEN IN ONE HOUR.

SO IF YOU DID ALL THE VEHICLES IN 15 MINUTES YOU WILL HAVE A MUCH LOWER CAPACITY THAN IF YOU DISPERSE THEM.

>> I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, I'M JUST SAYING THE WINDOW OF TIME FOR THE DROP-OFFS INCREASING IS GOING TO EXTEND.

>> I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO LIGHTEN UP THE PERCEIVED TRAFFIC AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

NOW INSTEAD OF STOPPING WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO COME YOU ARE

JUST GOING TO BE. >> I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AT THE LAST MEETING. WE HAD NO TRACE AT THE ROUNDABOUT. WE EVEN-- EITHER LEAVE IT AS IS

AS A THREE WAY STOP OR NOTHING. >> MY POINT IS I THINK THAT THE ROUNDABOUT WILL LIGHTEN THAT IMPACT.

>> BUT WE CAN'T GET ANY TRAFFIC SIGNAL FROM THE COUNTY.

IT'S EITHER WE STICK TO THE STATUS QUO AT A THREE WAY STOP

OR WE DO THE ROUNDABOUT. >> I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

I STILL THINK A ROUNDABOUT IS MORE SMOOTH.

WHEN YOU HAVE A RED LIGHT EVERYONE IS STOCKING AT-- STOPPING AND THAT STUFF STACKS UP.

AND YOU MIGHT NOT GET THROUGH THE FIRST LIGHT.

>> I DISAGREE, PERSONALLY. BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO

ARE ROUNDABOUT OUTED. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING WITH THE 2025-- THE 20 TO 2025 PERCENT DID-- DECREASE IF THIS SCHOOL GOES K TO 12 IN TRAFFIC.

>> LET ME ARTICULATE THAT A BIT BETTER.

I DON'T WANT TO ACT LIKE WE ARE REDUCING TRAFFIC WITH THIS

EXPANSION. >> YOU'RE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF

KIDS. >> CORRECT.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS YOU HAVE PER STUDENT DECREASES WITH THE K-12 VERSUS K-8.

BUT WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS WE ASSUMED THAT WORST CASE, WHAT WE COUNTED AT THE DRIVEWAYS, EXTRAPOLATED TO THE FULL 2100.

SO THE REALITY IS OUR TRAFFIC WILL BE A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE.

>> BUT IF YOU JUST DO IT SIMPLY, IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND KIDS THERE NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 2100 KIDS OR WHATEVER IT IS THERE, IS TRAFFIC INCREASING BY 60% DURING THOSE WINDOWS? 80%? WHAT IS THE OVERALL VOLUME

INCREASE? >> I HAVE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC, A LOT OF TIMES ARE LOOKING AT A ONE HOUR WINDOW. SO THE HIGH SCHOOL IS THE BULK OF THE STUDENTS FOR THIS PROPOSAL, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE SEPARATE. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN. SO THE SITUATION YOU HAVE NOW WITH THE K-8 IS ONLY GOING TO BE A SMALL INCREASE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A 20% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FROM THAT

EXPERIENCE. >> ARE THEY LIMITED PER GRADE?

>> IT IS. YES.

WE ARE NOT CAPPED PER GRADE. WERE CAPPED AT THE 2100 AND THROUGH OUR RAMP-UP. BUT THERE WILL BE SOME

FLUCTUATION WITHIN THE GRADE. >> THAT GETS TO MY POINT.

IF YOU ONLY HAVE 50 KIDS IN EACH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL CLASSES YOU CAN STILL HAVE 21 KIDS ON THE CAMPUS.

THE CAP IS AGNOSTIC OF GRADE. RIGHT?

>> I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT ONE. THE SCHOOL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO

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>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOUR CAP IS NOT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF KIDS PER GRADE. IT'S BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF KIDS WE CAN HAVE ON ANY GIVEN POINT ON THE CAMPUS.

SO IF THE HIGH SCHOOL DOES NO TURN OUT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, GOD FORBID, YOU COULD HAVE 2100 KIDS ON THE CAMPUS.

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? >> IN ADDITION TO THE 2100 CAP, WHICH THEY DON'T GET TO ONCE A EXCEED THAT 1700 PER THE ANNUAL REPORT, WE HAVE TIED BY A SCHOOL YEAR BASED ON THE RAMP-UP SCHEDULE OUT THERE, HOW MANY KIDS THEY-- CAN HAVE BY YEAR.

THAT IS TIED TO THIS RAMP-UP SCHEDULE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> HERE IS HOW I WOULD ANSWER THAT. AND I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THIS, SORRY. --

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, THERE ARE STILL CHECKS AND BALANCES. WE HAVE TO DO OUR MONITORING REPORT. WE WOULD HAVE TO STAGGER THE SCHEDULE. FAIR ENOUGH.

SORRY. >> WE DEFINITELY WILL HAVE A BALANCED SCHEDULE AND ENROLLMENT.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY THE SCHOOL SUCCEEDS.

AS YOU HAVE DISCUSSED IN OTHER MEETINGS BEFORE, YOU HAVE YOUR CAKE, ONE, TWO, THREE. IN SECOND GRADE THERE HAS TO BE ROOM FOR YOU TO GO TO THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH AND SIXTH.

IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE. WE DO NOT OPERATE ANY STAND-ALONE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, ANY STAND-ALONE HIGH SCHOOLS.

WE DO NOT OPERATE K5 AND K8. BUT YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE A STAND-ALONE MIDDLE SCHOOL. YOU NEVER OF HIS 2100 MIDDLE SCHOOL OR 2100 HIGH SCHOOLS. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

>> RIGHT NOW WERE A LITTLE OVER 1000 KIDS WITH K THROUGH THREE.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT WERE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.

HARRY BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE RAMP-UP SCHEDULE THAT IS THERE BASED ON CLASS SIZE PER YEAR? OR ARE WE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY KIDS SIGN-UP FOR WHAT GRADES, ARE WE ALLOWED TO GO FROM 1000 KIDS TO 2100 KIDS ON CAMPUS? I TAKE IT YOU ARE ALL GOING TO RESPOND TO THE MARKET BASED ON

NEED AND DEMAND. >> BUT IT HAS TO BE SUSTAINABLE.

OF A-- YOU CAN'T TAKE A PICTURE FOR ONE EURO TWO YEARS.

IT HAS TO BE SUSTAINABLE. WHAT YOU ARE PROVING, AND I'M NOT HERE TO TALK THROUGH YOUR STAFF, BUT WHAT YOU'RE PROVING IS THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE TOTAL OF ENROLLMENT FOR EACH YEAR.

WE ARE OBLIGATED BY THAT. WE HAVE ALWAYS ASKED FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE 51 GRADE LEVEL MORE THAN ANOTHER AND FIVE LESS THAN ANOTHER ONE AND YOU BALANCE IT OUT WITH THAT NUMBER. BUT WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT AND BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH THAT. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

>> I BETTER WITH THAT THAN THE OTHER WAY.

EVEN IF THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY.

UP WERE BEING ASKED TO PROVE UP TO A CAP PER GRADE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.

I ASKED THIS QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING.

THE PROPOSAL INITIALLY WAS 600 KIDS WE WANT TO ADD TO THE HIGH SCHOOL FROM WHAT EXIST THERE NOW.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NUMBER WENT FROM 1800 PLUS 600 PLUS 2100. AND WE WANT YOUNGER KIDS TO BE ABLE TO FEED INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> UNDERSTOOD.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW ARE WE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITH

A CAP OF EXPERT GRADE? >> WE WERE ASKED AND WE DID VOLUNTEER ON 11TH AND 12TH GRADE.

WE ARE CAPPED AT THE 160 NUMBER. WE ARE KEPT AT THAT NUMBER BECAUSE STAFF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING WAS THERE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE PROVING. >> A SCENARIO I JUST LAID OUT IS A CONCERN IF THE NINE THROUGH 12 MODEL DOES NOT PROVE TO BE ATTRACTED TO THE MARKET. FOR GOD FORBID WHATEVER REASON.

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>> IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS, TECHNICALLY, FROM A PLANING PERSPECTIVE AND THE WAY THE RESOLUTIONS ARE IN, YES, THEY, 2100K TO EIGHT STUDENTS AFTER 2040.

AFTER THE RAMP-UP HITS THE 2100. WHETHER THEY CAN MAKE THAT WORK OPERATIONALLY, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WORKS, BUT TECHNICALLY,

YES. >> HOW CAN WE REVISE THE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THEIR OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND OUR GROWTH CONCERNS? [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THEY ADD MORE MIDDLE SCHOOLERS.

DOESN'T MATTER? >> THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF INCREASING THE CAP IS BECAUSE THEY NEED THE EXTRA SPACE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOLERS. THE 600.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF GOING BEYOND THE 600, AS I UNDERSTOOD, IS WE NEED MORE FEEDERS IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO FEED 600 AND THE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT I DON'T WANT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WERE WE PUT 2100 K-8 THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS HAVING A NINTH OR 12TH OPTION.

THAT SORT OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE TO ME.

>> AFTER THE RAMP-UP, 168 TIMES FOUR.

IT'S ABOUT 32% OF THE TOTAL SCHOOL POPULATION.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS AT ALL TIMES A SCHOOL HAS TO AT LEAST HAVE TONY PERCENT OF THE SCHOOL BEING HIGH SCHOOL AFTER THE RAMP-UP? THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A CUSHION OF 12%. IF YOU DO HAVE DROPS.

SO THERE IS SOME ASSURANCE THAT THE 2100 ISN'T GOING TO BE ALL

K-8? >> OR APPROVE THE CAPS WITHOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL. THE GROWTH CAPS.

ABSENT THE HIGH SCHOOL. PROOF OF THE GROWTH CAPS BASED

ON YOUR WAS SOME FLEXIBILITY. >> THE EXISTING CAP WITH NO EXPANSION MOVING FORWARD IS 1280.

BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT'S THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM AND IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, AND WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING IS THAT THAT IS A CONCERN OF YOURS. SO I THINK IF THEY ARE AMENABLE TO IT THAT SOMETHING SCOTT AND I COULD WORK OUT THE CONDITION, IF

THAT IS THE CONCERN. >> I HAVE NO ISSUES AND WORKING OUT SOME SORT OF FLOOR, IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

IF WE ARE GOING TO GO WEIBO-- BELOW THAT FLOOR WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME SORT OF APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION. I AM AMICABLE TO THAT.

THIS IS-- I DON'T NEED TO KEEP HARPING ON THIS, BUT THIS IS 30 YEARS OF PROOF OF IT WORKING. SO IT KIND OF HAS TO BALANCE OUT. AT THE LEVELS DON'T BALANCE OUT IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROMISE A PARENT THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR SYSTEM IN FOURTH-GRADE.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACE, WE CANNOT OPEN UP, EUROS SON OR DAUGHTER CAN'T GO TO THE FIFTH-GRADE.

THAT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY THE ADMINISTRATION AS TO DO THAT, TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE RESIDENTS.

>> MAYBE A CAP? IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THIS IS YOUR CAP? YOU BUILD THE SAME BUILDINGS BUT

YOU DON'T HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL? >> OR SOME COROLLARY CAP.

THE WHOLE PITCH THAT I HAVE HEARD IS WE WANT A K-12 CAMPUS.

THE STUDENTS WILL DEVELOP BETTER IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

IT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC IF IT WAS OFF-SITE BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING STUDENTS COMING TOGETHER, SIBLINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TO A SCENARIO-- AND I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. MAYBE I'M ALSO TRYING TO READ MINDS OF WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING TODAY, BUT IS THERE AN ISSUE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WHERE WE WENT FROM A 1280 CAP TO A 2100 CAP, BECAUSE OF DEMAND IN FIVE YEARS. SO WE HAVE EVEN GREATER TRAFFIC ISSUES, AND NOT SERVICING THE COMMUNITY NEED UP HAVING AN

EXTRA OPTION FOR HIGH SCHOOL. >> I THINK THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT IS-- ALL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I DON'T KNOW, AND YOU DON'T KNOW AND DON'T HAVE ANY SAY WHAT THE DISTRICT WILL DO WITH THAT SITE DOWN THE STREET.

WHAT IF THEY COME INTO THIS MARKET AND SAY WERE ONLY GOING TO PUT IN 912. AND IT'S 4000 STUDENTS 912.

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>> WHICH IS POSSIBLE. THAT'S MY POINT.

>> IT'S NOT VERY POSSIBLE. >> IF HENDRICKS GOES THROUGH.

>> THE SCHOOL HAS 40,000 OPEN SEATS.

THEY ARE NOT BUILDING THIS WAY. >> THIS IS A DIFFERENT MODEL.

PUBLIC SCHOOL IS LOSING STUDENTS FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

ONE OF WHICH IS CHARTER SCHOOLS. >> I UNDERSTAND, WHAT THIS PLAN IS IT FINISHED FOR SEVEN YEARS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN

WITH ANY OF THIS. >> IF THAT HAPPENED IN THE STUDENTS SAID WE WANTED TO GO TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL OVER THERE, I

THINK WITH THE PROPOSAL-- >> SOME GUARDRAIL.

>> OF COURSE. AND IF IT HAPPENS, I'M HOPING WHOEVER IS HERE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS SAYS LOOK, EVERYBODY FLED BECAUSE THEY WENT TO THE BIG SHINY NEW 4000 STUDENT HIGH SCHOOL, AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE BELOW OUR NUMBERS, AND LET'S

EXPLAIN WHY. >> AND IF BROWARD COUNTY DOES

AT, WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS. >> EXACTLY.

BUT YOU DON'T CONTROL THAT. >> I AM JUST SAYING-- YOU KNOW.

I'M SURE WITH MST DOWN THE STREET THEY WON'T BE BUILDING

THE HIGH SCHOOL. >> I THINK THEY WOULD SELL OFF THE LAND THEY HAD FOR THE OTHER SCHOOL.

>> THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE TO SELL OFF THAT SCHOOL.

THAT LAND. >> I'M NOT HERE TO LOBBY FOR THE APPLICANT. BUT I DO HERE 50 YEARS OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.

THAT WENT THROUGH YOUR METHODOLOGY.

ESPECIALLY NOW YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S A 1% INCREASE PACELINE IN A BUILT OUT, UPS-- ESSENTIALLY. THAT MEANS IF BROWARD, IF THEY PURCHASE THE LAND AND PUT A FACILITY AT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE ARE ALREADY GIVING THE 5% INCREASE OVER THE FIVE YEARS, FOR WHAT TRAFFIC WILL BE AT THAT TIME ANYWAYS.

SIMILAR TO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY. I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

I THINK THE METHODOLOGY MAKES SENSE TO ME.

I HAVE A CURSORY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

>> KEEP IN MIND WHEN BROWARD HEALTH DOES, OR IF THEY DO END UP PURCHASING AND BUILDING SMETHING THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

>> BUT IT GETS INTO THE WHOLE PLANNING THING.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION TOO? THAT'S WHY THEY ALL TIED TOGETHER. WE KNOW THE SALE IS GOING TO HAPPEN PRETTY SOON, ON THIS PROJECT IS SEVEN YEARS DOWN THE

ROAD. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY

ARE GOING TO BUILD BECAUSE... >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE HAVE TO SPECULATE BASED ON A PRODUCT WERE APPROVING NOW IN SEVEN

YEARS. >> THEY'VE ALREADY PREDICTED 7%

MORE TRAFFIC. >> THAT'S A NEW THING.

THAT'S A HELPFUL PIECE OF INFORMATION.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS ALL ALONG, AND I'VE SHARED IT WITH ANTHONY AND THE APPLICANT, TIME, THE GROWTH OF THIS-- TYING THE GROWTH OF THE SCHOOL AND THE NUMBERS FROM JUST A SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT IS TYING THE GROWTH TO BE STAGE SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT IS WITH SOME STAGGERED APPROVAL OR HOWEVER WE DO IT, SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CANNOT GROW TOO FAST, HAVE AN ISSUE, NOT RECTIFIED BEFORE WE ALLOW THE

GROWTH INTO THE NEXT METRIC. >> BUT THERE ARE CAPS?

>> I SHARE THIS WITH THE APPLICANT AND OUR TEAM.

I WOULD LIKE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM WHERE THAT GETS BROUGHT UP ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BACK OR SOME-- TIED TO SOME GROWTH BASIS WHERE THAT GETS BROUGHT UP.

AND MAYBE-- MAYBE THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS CONDITIONAL UPON OUR CONDITION OF KNOWING AND GETTING A REPORT THAT THAT CAP HAS REACHED IT'S LIMIT AND THERE ARE NO ISSUES OR THEIR MITIGATED AND

THEY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. >> WE HAVE THAT.

>> THEY ARE LIMITED BY THE RAMP-UP SCHEDULE.

IN ADDITION THERE ARE ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THE PROPOSED FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOP AT THE AGREEMENT. IF AT ANY TIME THOSE MONTHLY OR MONITORING REPORTS COME BACK WITH A FINDING, THEY NEED TO REMEDIATE THAT IN-- AND UNTIL THEY DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WITHHOLD BUILDING PERMITS. BUT LET'S SAY THEY ALREADY PULLED A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS. BUT IN ADDITION TO PROHIBITED INCREASED ENROLLMENT. THAT'S ONE OF OUR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. AND A NEW THING WE HEARD TODAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS VOLUNTARILY COMMITTING AS WE DO THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T WANT TO MISINTERPRET WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THEY WILL COME BACK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO THE COMMISSION AND PRESENT TO YOU BASED ON THOSE

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>> TO ME, HOWEVER THE PROCESS GETS MEMORIALIZE, THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH AS WE GROW TOO FAST AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEN WE CAN'T TURN BACK.

IF WE HAVE A STAGGERED APPROACH WHERE EVERY YEAR WE SAY THIS IS THE NUMBERS WE HAVE, OUR CALCULATIONS WITHIN OR NOT, BEFORE IT WAS JUST AN-- CODE ENFORCEMENT OR OTHER MEASURES.

THEY WERE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE COMING TO THE COMMISSION TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS TO SAY GROWTH, THAT'S IT. IF YOU CAN'T MITIGATE THESE CONCERNS, YOU CAN'T GO TO THE NEXT NUMBER.

>> IF THERE IS A FINDING IN ONE OF THE TRAFFIC REPORTS THAT REQUIRES REMEDIAL MEASURES, AND YOU KNOW, THEN ARE GOING TO WANT TO JUMP ON THAT AND CORRECTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY. REGARDLESS OF THE COMMISSIONER

OR NOT. >> AND MITIGATION MAYBE PUTTING IN EXTRA PSO OFFICER OUT THERE IN THIS HOUR BECAUSE IT'S MORE TRAFFIC. BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO SAY TO THE RESIDENTS THAT WE PUT THESE MEASURES IN PLACE, WHERE THEY GROWTH WILL NOT BE UNFETTERED WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE, AND REMEDIATING ALONG THE WAY.

>> AND OUR GOAL MRE THAN ANYTHING ELSE TODAY WAS TO HEAR FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAFEGUARDS A FEW TIMES. THEY'VE GOT MORE AND MORE ADVANCED AND ANTHONY AND I HAVE ADDED NYQUIST TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT FROM MEETING TO MEETING.

BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO GET THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE VICE MAYOR. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT YOU SHARED WITH ME SEVERAL TIMES.

WE WANT TO GET ALL OF YOU COMFORTABLE TO KNOW THAT THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, BRYANT SAID IT EARLIER, AND I'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS AS WELL, UP NEVER SEEN ANYTHING THIS SIGNIFICANT. CITY OF PARKLAND.

IT'S NOT A BAD THING. FOR US IT'S AS MUCH AS WE SEEN ON ANY SCHOOL WE'VE WORKED ON. BUT FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND IT'S A GOOD THING. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT SAYING WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN'T GO TO THE NEXT NUMBER WE HAVE TO FIX IT FIRST.

THAT'S A DIALOG WE WANTED TO HAVE TODAY.

>> I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY CONDENSED AREA.

WE HAVE WHEELS OUT WEST. WE HAVE AARON HEIGHTS AND PARK TRAILS DOWN THE STREET. WE HAVE PRIORITY HEALTH LOOMING.

WHICH WILL HAPPEN. WE HAVE HENDRICKS, WHICH WILL HAPPEN. MUCH FURTHER DOWN HE SAYS.

SO WE HAVE GOT AN AREA THAT IS ALREADY CONGESTED.

BUT WE ARE LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS.

I'M LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS SO HELPFUL. EVERYTHING WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY-- I'M A DATA PERSON EVEN THOUGH I'M A LAWYER.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND DATA. THAT DOES SO MUCH OF THIS MAKES SENSE. I THINK THE BIG STRUGGLER WITH THE RESIDENT-- STRUGGLE WITH THE RESIDENTS, AND WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING, IF YOU CANNOT BE HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU ARE.

BUT I THINK THERE IS STILL NOT-- BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THE MODELING. WE HAVE THE 1%.

THAT IS REALLY HELPFUL. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD HELP RESIDENTS AND THEN US FEELING BETTER ABOUT VOTING.

>> TO ME, THE RESIDENTS IS IN 2018.

THIS PLACE WAS FULL. EVER AND HAD REDSHIRT.

>> THAT WAS THE WHOLE CHARTER SCHOOL.

>> MY POINT IS ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS AND ALL OF THOSE FEARS THAT EVERYONE HAD DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.

FOR ME, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT BRIAN HAS DESIGNED ORIGINALLY. INCREASING THOSE DESIGNS AND SAFEGUARDS TO HELP THOSE FLOW. THAT IT WENT ON LIKE WHAT ANYONE THOUGHT. SO HE DID A GOOD JOB.

AND ALL HIS NUMBERS AND CALCULATIONS AND METHODOLOGY WORKED OUT, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DID NOT COME TO FRUITION.

I AM FEELING COMFORTABLE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN IN THE SAME

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REMEMBER IN 2018, WHEN YOU THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO PARKLAND.

IT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION. THEY MADE ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS.

ADDITIONAL STOCKING. TO GET RID OF THE JERSEY BARRIER. THEY HAVE CAPS ON A YEARLY BASIS. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK EVERY YEAR AND PROVE THAT THESE THINGS WORK.

AND IF THEY DON'T YOUR GROWTH US TO STOP.

SO WE HAVE ALL THE SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU NEED FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE TO SAY LOOK, THIS IS NOT WORKING.

BRIAN, YOU DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, BUT NOW YOU MESSED UP THESE CALCULATIONS BACK AND WE CAN SAY OH, STOP HERE.

OR IT WORKS AND THINGS FLOW AND THEY CONTINUE ON WITH THE PROCESS. SO FOR ME I'M SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT NOW. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS AND PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY. SO I AM FEELING COMFORTABLE THAT THEY HAVE DONE-- TO TRY TO SPECULATE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH BROWARD HEALTH AND HENDRICKS.

WHEN THOSE COME BEFORE US, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING THAT SOMERSET IS DOING HERE.

AND SAY OKAY. THEY ARE COMING AFTER IT.

SOMERSET IS HERE. >> BUT WE HAVE TO PLAN AHEAD

TOO. >> WE CAN ONLY PLAN SO MUCH.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT BROWARD HEALTH IS LOOKING TO DO.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HENDRICKS IS LOOKING TO DO.

WE DON'T KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARD. BUT WE CAN GO TO THEM WHEN THAT TIME DOES COME, IF IT COMES, AND SAY, LOOKED.

SOMERSET DID ALL OF THESE THINGS.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> I HEAR YOU, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE SAME RESIDENTS.

I HAVE RESIDENTS ON THE FLIP SAYING WE APPROVED IT.

THE PRIOR COMMISSION APPROVED IT, K-8 WITH 1200 STUDENTS.

AND NOW IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT INITIALLY ENVISIONED.

>> I HAVE MORE RESIDENTS TELLING ME "PLEASE DO THIS."

> WE ARE ALL IN DIFFERENT Select to skip to this part of the video">THAN I HAVE "PLEASE DON'T." >> WE ARE ALL IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TOO. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU SIT, WITH DISTRICT. SO I DO NOT HAVE THAT.

RIGHT? BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN-- I WAS JUST SPEAKING TO A COUPLE RESIDENTS NOT LONG AGO.

THEY ARE GOING TO WESTLAKE BECAUSE THEIR KIDS WANT THAT BIGGER EXPERIENCE. BUT ALL I SAY TO THAT IS THAT THAT'S NOTHING AGAINST SUMMERSIDE, IT IS A CHOICE.

YOUR KID WANTS THAT-- ARE THINGS THEY DO, ANYWAY.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, I DO THINK THAT ALL ABOUT THE K-8, AND I HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT I WAS NOT SEEING THE UPROAR.

I THINK THAT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK WITH ABOUT WHETHER SOME OF THOSE THINGS DID COME TO FRUITION.

BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD ALSO RESIDENTS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE K-8. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I SIT-- AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, IT'S HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.

I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. AND I'M SORRY IF IT WAS ANSWERED. DO WE HAVE A SOMERSET PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS AT SOMERSET CURRENTLY ENROLLED? AND YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS. SO APOLOGIES.

LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION. THAT GIVE US A SENSE AT LEAST WITH THE EXISTING FAMILIES THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS THAT WOULD POPULATE THE NINE THROUGH 12?

>> WE DID PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION.

I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME.

WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ASKING MADAM COMMISSIONER, THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS THAT LIVE IN PARKLAND.

>> THAT WAS LIKE 39%. >> WHAT KIND OF DEMAND IS THERE

FOR HIGH SCHOOL? >> THERE IS MORE THAN 50% OF THE CURRENT POPULATION WANTING TO DO THAT.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I WANT SOME SORT OF-- FOR ME, IF WERE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBERS FROM 1200 TO 1400 OR 1600, WE NEED TO WORK OUT AND FIGURE OUT THE MECHANISM. I'M HAPPY TO TALK FURTHER WITH THE APPLICANT AND OUR TEAM. BUT SOME MORTIFYING MECHANISMS FOR THAT AND JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT OR CAP ENFORCEMENT.

>> WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED THEN SAYING THEY CANNOT GROW-- YOU CANNOT GROW ANYMORE? WHAT FURTHER MECHANISMS DO YOU NEED THAT YOU CAN'T GROW ANYMORE?

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>> I DON'T KNOW IF SCOTT HAS ANY FURTHER SUGGESTIONS.

SOME ANNUAL PRESENTATION COULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

SO IT'S A CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL THAT CAN MEET ALL THE REQUISITES OR MITIGATE EVERYTHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW THE MECHANICS.

OTHER THAN COME BACK BEFORE US. BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES, AS THE ELECTED WHO ARE GOING TO TAKE THE HITS FROM THE RESIDENTS ON TRAFFIC ISSUE, SAFETY ISSUES, INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.

SO I JUST WANT SOME SORT OF MECHANISM PUT IN PLACE AND ANTHONY CAN TALK WITH SCOTT ON HOW THEY CRAFTED IT.

SOME SORT OF TIERED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, OR STAGE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM IS. BUT SOME MECHANISM WHERE,

>> THEY ARE ALREADY DOING AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH WE NEED TO APPROVE BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES, WE CAN SAY THEY CAN'T MOVE TO THE NEXT --

>> IF I CAN BRIEFLY, UNDER THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WE HAVE TO DO THE ANNUAL REPORT AND WE HAVE TO MITIGATE OR REMEDIATE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE BUT THERE IS NO CAP FROM 700 TO 900 TO 11. NONE OF THAT EXISTED.

NOW WITH THIS NEW AGREEMENT, ANTHONY AND I, I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE THINK THE LANGUAGE SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REINFORCED A LITTLE BIT MORE, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE SCHEDULE.

RIGHT NOW IT ALLUDES TO THE OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT PLAN.

I THINK WE CAN DO A LITTLE MORE TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE CONDITIONS BUT THE IDEA IS ANNUALLY EVERY YEAR, ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, THOSE ARE THE CAPS AND WE HAVE TO RUN THE REPORT AND WE RUN THE MONTHLY REPORTS, WE RUN AN ANNUAL REPORT.

THERE IS A CLEAR PROCESS FROM THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH, WE ARE GOING TO PREPARE THE REPORT, IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND EITHER IT WORKS ORT DOESN'T WORK EITHER WAY, WE HAVE TO DO REMEDIAL MEASURES AND EXPLAIN THAT.

AT THAT POINT, WE CAN'T GO FROM ONE NUMBER TO THE NEXT.

>> BUT YOU MAY NOT REACH THE NUMBER IN THAT GIVEN YEAR.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE BOTH AN ANNUAL THING AND CORRELATE TO THE GROWTH. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE IN YEAR THREE AND YOU ARE ONLY AT 1400, THERE IS NO REASON TO APPROVE IT TO GO TO 1700 BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THERE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF 15 OR 1600 WOULD BE.

>> CORRECT. IF WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT TO BUILD THE NEXT BUILDING, WE DON'T GET IT, OTHERWISE WE DON'T GET TO INCREASE. WE WILL DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, FIGURE OUT THE TIMING OF WHEN THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.

MAYBE LATE FALL OF EVERY YEAR DEPENDING ON THE TIME FRAME TO DO THE REVIEW. WE WILL COME BACK AND PRESENT THE FINDINGS. IF THERE'S A FINDING, YOU WILL KNOW, YOU WILL BE WELL AWARE AND YOU WILL HEAR FROM YOUR STAFF THEY ARE CURRENTLY 1612 STUDENTS AND THEY ARE STUCK HERE UNTIL THEY FIX THIS. AND HERE IS HOW THEY ARE GOING TO FIX IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE

SPOKE ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. >> BUT THOSE ARE CAPS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE CAPS.

IF THEY ARE BELOW THAT AND IT'S NOT WORKING, THEY CAN'T GO ABOVE

IT. >> MY POINT IS I'M TRYING TO ROOT OUT ALL OF THE WHAT IFS. WHAT IF THEY ARE AT 1400 TOMORROW AND IT TAKES THEM THREE YEARS TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF THE CAP INSTEAD OF ONE. ARE WE INCREASING THE CAP ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DESPITE THE FACT THEY ARE NOT AT THAT NUMBER?

>> LET'S PLAY OUT AN EXAMPLE. THEY'RE AT 1400 THIS YEAR.

PICK A YEAR. >> WE ARE IN 20282029, THEY'RE

AT 1400. >> IT SAYS 1454 BUT THEY DIDN'T HIT 1454. THEY DIDN'T GET THE ENROLLMENT.

THEY'RE AT 1400. MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, THERE IS A TRAFFIC REPORT, THERE IS A PROBLEM AND THEY NEED TO REMEDIATE IT IF THEY DON'T REMEDIATE IT, AND CORRECT ME IF YOU THINK IT'S OTHERWISE, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS BUT IF THEY DON'T REMEDIATE IT, WHEN THEY TRY TO COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR AND GET -- IT DOESN'T MATTER, 50 KIDS, 200 KIDS, FIVE KIDS, IF THEY HAVEN'T REMEDIATED, WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS PURSUANT TO A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THE SITE PLAN, PRESUMING IT GETS APPROVED AS THE CURRENT DRAFT TO

SAY YOU DON'T GET 50 MORE KIDS. >> THAT ONLY WORKS IF THEY ARE

AT THE NUMBERS. >> THOSE ARE CAPS.

>> HERE IS THE OTHER SCENARIO. IF IN YEAR 2829 THERE ARE 1200 KIDS BUT THEY'VE GOT A CAP OF 1454, WE DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WILL BE MET WITH 1454 KIDS.

SO IF THERE ARE NO MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUES, ARE WE INCREASING THE CAP THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO 1675 SO YOU ALLOW ANOTHER 475 KIDS ON CAMPUS WITHOUT KNOWING IF THEY CAN HANDLE 200 MORE?

>> THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WAS IN YOUR BACKUP FOR THE

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>> THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE RAMP UP.

THAT IS SEPARATE. >> IT'S SEPARATE.

>> IT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT AND IT'S HAPPENING EVERY MONTH.

THERE IS A REPORT COMING OUT EVERY MONTH.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR. IT'S HAPPENING EVERY MONTH.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR. >> WAS THAT A FAIR -- WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE WAY I CHARACTERIZED THAT, SCOTT?

>> YES, AND I DO AGREE THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES. YOU'VE IDENTIFIED TWO OF THEM BUT THERE'S A THIRD WHICH IS THE ABILITY TO GET TO OVER 1700 TO 2100 IS LANGUAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

IT USED TO BE SEVEN, A THOUSAND TO GO TO 1280.

THAT'S IN THERE AS WELL. SO THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND TWO OF THE THREE ARE BROKEN OUT INCREDIBLY CLEARLY. ANTHONY MENTIONED SOME ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE. I THINK ANTHONY AND I NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND MAYBE PUT TOGETHER -- I'M THINKING OUT LOUD BUT PUT THE CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO ENFORCEMENT AND INTO THE KIND -- THE SAME GENERAL AREA OF THE AGREEMENT AND THE CONDITION SO THAT IT'S CLEAR TO THE COMMISSIONER HOW IT WORKS

AND HOW IT FLOWS. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE CAPS. IT DOESN'T MEAN TO YOUR POINT IF IT'S 1200 AND THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN'T THEN STEP IN AND SAY THIS HAS TO GET FIXED BEFORE YOU CAN GO FURTHER.

OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO GIVE SOME SORT OF NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO START WITH SOMETHING. YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ARBITRARY NUMBERS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE -- THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE RAMP UP SCHEDULES BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE HERE.

>> MAYBE IT'S THE ANSWER OF EITHER THE RAMP UP NUMBERS OR YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE ANOTHER X PERCENT BASED ON THE RAMP UP

NUMBERS. >> YOU CAN'T GO UP AT ALL.

>> VICE MAYOR, YOU WOULD MAKE A PHENOMENAL ATTORNEY BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS DETAILED.

AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, TO REITERATE, 2829 AND THERE ARE 1200 STUDENTS AND THERE IS A FINDING THAT ISN'T REMEDIATED, THEY CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN 1200. THEY CAN'T EVEN FILL THE 1454.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT. >> THAT'S WHAT ANTHONY JUST

SAID. >> MY POINT IS IF THE GROWTH TAKES LONGER, I DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE CAPS BASED ON THE YEARS. I WANT TO INCREASE THE CAPS

BASED ON YEAR OVER YEAR -- >> WE ARE NOT INCREASING

ANYTHING. >> BUT YOU ARE SAYING IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. MINE IS IF THERE'S NO ISSUE.

IF THEIR GROWTH TAKES LONGER, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BUT IF THEIR GROWTH TAKES LONGER, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE INCREASED CAPS ARBITRARILY BASED ON A YEAR OVER YEAR BASIS WHEREAS IN OTHER WORDS THEY COULD GO FROM -- THEY COULD INCREASE THEIR VALUE BY 25% YEAR OVER YEAR.

THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL.

AND SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A TIE, CORRELATION THAT IF THEY ARE BELOW THE RAMP UP SCHEDULE THAT THEY CAN'T GO YEAR OVER YEAR MORE THAN X PERCENT BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT THE ARGUMENT THAT WE ARE NOT LETTING GROWTH HAPPEN TOO FAST WITHOUT KNOWING IF WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WHEN IT FIRST APPEARS AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF IT'S

THE SAME METRIC. >> IF I MAY, BECAUSE OF THE SCHEDULE FOR THE BUILDINGS COMING IN LINE, YOU HAVE THAT BUILT IN BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO RAMP UP TO THESE NUMBERS IF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT APPROVED AND IF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT APPROVED BY I BELIEVE NOW IT'S BY 2030 EVERYTHING HAS

TO BE BUILT OUT, 30 OR 31? >> I THINK IS 31.

>> I THINK IT'S THE SUMMER. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE. SO IF WE WEREN'T ENROLLING, LET'S USE YOUR SCENARIO, WE WEREN'T ENROLLING AT THIS PACE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE BUILDINGS AND IF WE WEREN'T MEETING OUR MONTHLY OR YEARLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ISSUING PERMITS AND WE DIDN'T FIX IT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADD THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE CAP OUT AFTER THE FIRST PAGE, WE CAP OUT.

>> IT IS THE SAME WORRY THAT I HAVE WHICH IS IF YOU ARE UNDER ENROLLED AND YOU ARE GROWING SLOWER, THE CONSTRUCTION INSTEAD OF TAKING THREE OR FOUR YEARS, IT WILL TAKE SEVEN OR EIGHT.

>> BUT I HAVE TO COME BACK HERE BECAUSE I HAVE -- IF IT'S NOT DONE BY THE SUMMER OF 2030, WE HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND IT ALL STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN IT IS A RESET.

AND I TRY TO PUSH AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I SAID, WHAT HAPPENS -- I'VE GOT TO COME BACK HERE. AND IT GOES TO YOUR POINT, THE POINT THAT YOU MADE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS FINISHED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCELERATE THE GYM TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE WITHIN THOSE TIMEFRAMES. AND SO WE'VE LAID THIS OUT TO MANY TIMES INTERNALLY ON OUR SIDE TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WHAT

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WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE OBLIGATIONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE YEARLY BECAUSE IF I'M PASSING THE MONTHLIES AND HE'S TELLING ME EVERYTHING IS FINE, THEN THE YEARLY REPORT IS JUST AN ACCUMULATION OF THAT AND SOME EXTRA TESTING THAT HE DOES. AND I HAD A CALL WITH HIM 48 HOURS AGO AND TOLD HIM RELIGIOUSLY THAT I WANT YOU OUT THERE ON A MONTHLY BASIS. RELIGIOUSLY.

I DON'T CARE IF THEY CALL YOU, IF THE CITY WANTS YOU THERE, THEY DON'T WANT YOU THERE, RELIGIOUSLY, I WANT YOU BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING WRONG, BEFORE I SAY LET'S GO DO THE OTHER 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WE NEED TO KNOW.

WE NEED TO FIX IT. SO THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT HIM AND I HAD. SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WORKING, THAT IT IS WORKING THE WAY IT IS NOW AND BETTER.

AND SO WE PUT ALL THOSE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE INTERNALLY.

THERE IS A TIMELINE THAT'S THREE PAGES LONG THAT HAS ALL OF THESE GOALS AND ALL OF THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT SO THAT WE

DON'T MISS A BEAT. >> I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER AND MORE PALATABLE IF THERE IS, AND ANTHONY, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBERS OR PERCENTAGE IS BUT NOT GO FROM 1201 YEAR TO 1600 OR 1700 THE NEXT YEAR -- BECAUSE THEY ARE

BEHIND IN THE SCHEDULE. >> WITHOUT DOING THE MATH MYSELF, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE LARGEST PERCENT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR IS ON THE LIST? WHAT IS THE LARGEST?

12%, WHATEVER. >> 1454.

>> 15, 18%. >> LET'S SAY IT'S 15%, THE LARGEST ONE. CAN WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS YEAR OVER YEAR, THE GROWTH CANNOT BE HIGHER THAN THAT? AND THAT SOLVES THE COMMISSIONERS ISSUE WITH A SIMPLE ADDITION.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> I DIDN'T DO THE MATH.

LAST TIME I TRIED I GOT IT WRONG BUT I'M BEING TOLD IS 20% IS THE

BIGGEST. >> SO YEAR OVER YEAR CAN'T BE BIGGER THAN THAT. SO IF YOU ARE UNDER CAP, YOU CAN'T SUDDENLY GO TO THE NEXT YEAR'S.

>> I LIKE MATH. I THINK 20% IS A LITTLE LOW.

IT'S 1154 TO 1454 IT'S 300 COUNT JUMP.

THAT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE HIGHEST.

>> 26%. I DID THE MATH.

>> SOME PROTECTION IN THERE THAT THE GROWTH CAN'T BE HIGHER THAN

THAT IN ANY YEAR OVER YEAR. >> THE CONCERN IS WE ARE AT 1300. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. THEY'E DOING THE THINGS, MONTHLIES ARE COMING BACK BUT THEY ARE LAGGED BEHIND IN THEIR GROWTH AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- OR 300 THE NEXT YEAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE MAY SEE A PROBLEM.

THERE'S NO WAY TO STEM THE PROBLEM AS THEY COME ALONG.

TO ME IT'S BETTER FOR THEM AND BETTER FOR US IF WE MANAGE THE GROWTH SO THAT THERE ARE NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A TRAFFIC DILEMMA THAT WE CAN'T ROLL BACK FROM. PUN INTENDED.

>> WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT. >> THIS IS WHY WE TALK ABOUT IT

AS A GROUP. >> ONE CALENDAR YEAR, ONE SCHOOL CALENDAR YEAR WE CANNOT GO HIGHER THAN THAT 26 OR 27.

I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> THAT ONLY ARISES, IT'S A MAXIMUM CAP OF 1454 OR X PERCENT FROM THE LAST YEAR, WHICHEVER IS LOWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'S ONE WAY TO

ALLEVIATE THE CONCERN. >> WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.

>> THEY ARE GOOD WITH THAT SPIRIT WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.

>> THAT IS CERTAINLY MORE PALATABLE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS?

VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING ELSE? >> THOSE ARE THE ONLY ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO PARTICULATE TODAY.

>> YOU WERE GOOD. >> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE OVERALL NUMBER BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE DECREASING THE HIGH SCHOOL SHOULD BE 600 BUT I HAVE TALKED TO SCOTT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> I UNDERSTAND, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I DON'T DISAGREE BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED EXTRA MIDDLE SCHOOLERS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN GET THE HIGH SCHOOL NUMBERS.

>> AND I THINK THAT THE WAY YOU ALLEVIATED THAT PROBLEM IS BY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL.

BECAUSE TO ME, THE PITCH HAS BEEN FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE HEARD, SOME OF WHOM MAY BE HERE TODAY.

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WE WANT THE CHOICE TO BE ABLE TO ADD TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

BUT WE AS A CITY DON'T WANT TO PUT TWO KIDS THERE -- 2000 KIDS THERE IF THERE IS NO HIGH SCHOOL.

THERE IS THE DYNAMIC THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO CORRELATE IN THE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE.

>> BUT TO THEIR POINT, THE BUSINESS MODEL, EVEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR OWN SCHOOLS, YOU NEED THE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE -- THAT'S THE FINANCIAL.

>> I THINK INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE

PROTECT THE SAFEGUARDS. >> ALL RIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT OUR SAFEGUARDS.

CINDY, YOU ARE GOOD? EVERYBODY IS GOOD? IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WRAP IT UP, WE WILL MOTION TO

ADJOURN. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ALL. >> I DO WANT TO -- THE DATA WAS

FANTASTIC. >> LET CINDY FINISH.

NOW ARE YOU DONE? IT'S FINE.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO A MOTION TO ADJOURN UNTIL IT WAS

TIME. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> I SECOND

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.