[1. Call to Order]
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>> OKAY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS A CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETING FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18TH AT 5:00 P.M. TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ROLL CALL. >> COMMISSIONER IS ROW.
>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY SALAMONE
IN THE PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER CANTOR MEANT MAC
[4.A. Village in the Park Request for Qualification Discussion]
HERE. >> VICE MAYOR SIMEON BRIER.
>> HERE. >> OKAY WE HAVE THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION DISCUSSION.
>> GOOD EVENING. WE HAVE JLL HERE WITH US.
WE HAVE RECEIVED TEN PROPOSALS AND JLL WILL PRESENT AND GO OVER SOME OF THE PROPOSALS AND GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH AN RFP.
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER NICK? >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
IT IS GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
NICK WITH JLL. THAT MY COLLEAGUES MARIE SPENCE SIMON HERE WITH ME, AND WE ARE JUST GOING TO ROLL RIGHT INTO IT. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS A HARD COFFEE OF OUR COMPARISON GOING THROUGH THE TEN RESPONSES.
SO JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A LITTLE BACKGROUND WE ISSUED OUR RFQ FOR VILLAGE IN THE PARK PROJECT END OF LAST YEAR.
WE GOT TEN VERY HIGHLY QUALIFIED RESPONSES FROM TEN FANTASTIC GROUPS WHICH IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.
WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY IS TO NARROW THIS DOWN FROM TEN TO WE WOULD SAY 4-6. IN OUR DISCUSSIONS INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH ONE OF YOU WE WENT THROUGH EACH OF THE RESPONSES, WENT THROUGH THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF THE GROUPS, UNDERSTANDING THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY DIVISION CONVEYED THROUGH THEIR CONCEPT NARRATIVE.
AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL IS THAT WE CAME TO WHEN WE HEARD EVERYBODY CAN BE FOR LIKE THERE WERE FOUR TEAMS THAT REALLY ROSE TO THE TOP. AND THEN I THINK THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO NARROW IT DOWN. DO WE WANT TO DO FOUR? IS IT FIVE OR SIX? BUT I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND KIND OF LIST THE NAMES OF THOSE FOUR FOR CONSIDERATION HERE.
KIND OF GIVE YOU OUR NEXT TIER OF ANOTHER TWO AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NARROWING DOWN.
>> SO OUR TOP FOUR IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER WERE EDENS, LINCOLN AND THE GEORGETOWN COMPANIES.
AND THEN IN OUR SECOND-TIER WHICH AGAIN WOULD GET US TO SIX, WE HAD TURNBERRY ASSOCIATES AND REGENCY CENTERS.
SO NANCY DO YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION?
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I GUESS I WILL START.
PERSONALLY I LIKE THE TOP FOUR. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO NARROW THIS DOWN AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING, WE HAVE ALREADY DONE OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, HIS MOST OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO MIMIC THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL PUT THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, SWING TO IT OR WHATEVER BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE CONFUSING AND BE A LITTLE HARDER FOR US TO GET CONSENSUS BECAUSE IN THE END WE ALL HAVE TO, WELL WE DON'T ALL HAVE TO AGREE BUT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST GET TO THREE OF US.
ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE EITHER, RIGHT? BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE FINANCIAL DECISION WE MAKE, IF WE DECIDE TO SELL THE LAND, WE WOULD THEN NEED FOUR.
IS THAT CORRECT,, ANTHONY? >> YES.
>> SO TWO THINGS WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF WE LEASE THE LAND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO UNTIL WE GET THERE PROPOSALS.
BUT IF WE LEASED THE LAND THREE OF US NEED TO AGREE.
IF WE SELL THE LAND FOUR OF US NEED TO AGREE.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH HAVING TOO MANY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFERENT EACH DEVELOPER WILL BE.
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AGAIN BECAUSE WE'VE DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE, YOU KNOW, WORK ALREADY WITH 505, GETTING THIS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, SO WE ARE ASKING THESE DEVELOPERS, YES, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MIMIC EXACTLY. THEY'LL BRING THEIR OWN LITTLE SPIN TO IT, BUT IN ESSENCE THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING US SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ASKED FOR SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFERENT EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL BE.AND I WILL SAY ACT WITH THE SECOND TWO NO DISRESPECT REGENCY CENTER BUT WHEN I THINK A REGENCY CENTRE I THINK MORE OF A STRIP CENTER DEVELOPER, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T WANT AND I'M NOT SAYING REGENCY CENTRE CAN'T GET OUT OF THAT BOX BUT THAT'S IMMEDIATELY WHAT I THINK OF.
SO I THINK THE TOP FOUR IN MY OPINION WOULD BE THE MOST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AGAIN THAT SHOWS MY OPINION.
ON THE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MORE WE HAD, THE MORE I WANT TO SAY CONFUSION. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE RIGHT WORD. BUT THE MORE OPINIONS PEOPLE CAN HAVE ITS OWN TO BE HARDER FOR US TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ESPECIALLY IF WE DECIDE TO SELL THE LAND BECAUSE NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT WE NEED FOUR PEOPLE TO AGREE ON THE SAME.
SO FOR ME I LIKE THE TOP FOUR. I AM GOOD WITH THE TOP FOUR.
I PERSONALLY WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO STAY THAT AS THE MOST.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO WITH THREE.
YOU KNOW, BUT FOUR OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S FOUR CLEAR FRONT RUNNERS, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO FOR THAT.
BUT I DON'T SEE MY OPINION GOING TO THE SECOND-TIER.
>> QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION. LET'S SAY WE HAVE FOUR COMPANIES WE GO FORWARD WITH, FOUR PROPOSALS WE ARE ALL LOOKING AT AND DECIDING ON. IS IT POSSIBLE IN THE INTEREST OF TRYING TO FIND A CONSENSUS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IS A POSSIBLE FOR US TO SOME KIND OF INTERNAL SCORING SYSTEM?
>> THERE WILL BE. >> WE EACH GIVE FOUR POINTS FOR OUR TOP CHOICE, THREE IN THE SECOND, TWO, ONE AND A POINT SYSTEM WHERE WE AGREE WHICHEVER ONE RISES TO THE TOP FROM THAT,
THE NEXT STEP HERE IN THE DISCUSSION IS TO TALK ABOUT THE RFP. I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE COPY OF THE OUTLINE. SO WE WILL TALK WITH THE NEXT STEPS UP WITH THE RFP DOCUMENT WILL LOOK LIKE AND THERE WILL BE SCORING CRITERIA AS PART OF THAT RFP.
>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS, YOU TALK ABOUT KIRKLAND'S CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
WE PUT TIME INTO THAT ET CETERA BUT IS THAT WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING TO BE A CONDITION OF THESE RFP SUBMISSIONS, THAT THEY ARE NOT STARTING ON A GROUND ZERO, THAT'S THE STARTING
POINT? >> AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION BUT I THINK WHAT WE DID WITH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN IS THE BASIS, THE GROUNDWORK. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE HAVE OUR GIVEN THAT GROUNDWORK OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT EACH DEVELOPER WILL PUT THEIR OWN LITTLE SPIN TO IT, BUT STAYING MORE OR LESS WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARAMETERS THAT WE
HAVE KIND OF ALREADY SET. >> PERSONALLY I THINK WE WOULD RATHER KEEP THEM AS A BLANK SLATE ONLY IF WE GIVE THEM THIS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OR AT LEAST MAKE CLEAR THAT WHATEVER THE RFP YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY WHATEVER BECAUSE THERE WILL BE TWO VERY
DIFFERENT PATHS. >> I'M WITH YOU.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WANT THEM TO STICK TO, I AM JUST SAYING THEY HAVE OUR RACING WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
>> IT IS A BLANK SLATE. >> I JUST WANT TO LIMIT THEM AND GOES BACK TO WHEN NSAID DID THEIR RFP PROCESS.
THERE WAS SOME REALLY INTERESTING PROSPECTS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF. WHILE WE MAY NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF ALL OF US AGREED, I THINK IT IS GOOD TO KEEP THE
I AM WITH YOU. COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
>> I AM FINE TAKING JLL'S LEAD ON THE TOP FLOOR.
I THINK IF WE INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT TURNBERRY IS AN INTERESTING ONE. THEY ARE A LOCAL COMPANY AND THEY HAVE PROJECTS LOCALLY THAT WE CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH FIVE.
I AM FINE WITH DISCUSSING SOME SORT OF SCORING SYSTEM BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A BLIND PROCESS EITHER.
I WANT THIS TO BE A FLUID DIALOG WITH US, THE COMMUNITY, RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORING ASSOCIATIONS ET CETERA SO I WANTED TO BE A CONTINUAL DIALOG. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT, IS TAKING JAY'S PROPOSED TOP FOUR AND ADDING, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS WITH YOU ABOUT REGENCY AND MAYBE IT'S A LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH HER OTHER PROJECTS BUT ADDING TURNBERRY
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INTO THE MIX AS WELL. >> SO WHEN I MET WITH JLL BEFORE THEY HAD TOLD ME WHAT YOUR TOP FOUR WERE, THEY WERE MY TOP FOUR , AND IS MUCH AS REGENCY IS NICE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL CASH, THAT'S A PLUS. I AGREE WITH MAYOR THAT THAT I CAN THINK OF STRIP CENTERS T.J.MAXX, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE A BIG COMPANY. I'M SURE THEY ARE CAPABLE.
I KNOW I SAID SOME EXAMPLES FROM THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS THAT WERE IMPRESSIVE. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE NARROWING IT TO THE TOP FOUR. TURNBERRY TO ME MIAMI BEACH CONVENTION CENTRE, NORTH MAN AND MAYBE.
BUT, YES, THEY HAVE SOME LOCAL EXAMPLES, BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD COLOR EXAMPLES THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SWAN DAY AND NANCY SHOWED DURING OUR MEETING WITH JLL THAT GAVE A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
AND I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE TOP FOUR OF EDENS, LINCOLN AND GEORGETOWN, NOT AGAIN IN THAT PARTICULAR ORDER.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY HUMBLE OPINION.
>> I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A SECOND.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SPENT YEARS LITERALLY GETTING TO THIS PROCESS. WHILE I AM JUST AS EAGER AS ANYONE TO GET THROUGH TO THE PROCESS, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THE MORE OPTIONS OR IDEAS ARE BETTER BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THE IDEATION STAGE. WHILE WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE HAVE NOT LOCKED IN ON EACH OF OUR MINDS WERE WE ARE ALL AGREEING TO.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF TURNBERRY. I CAN UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING TO EXPAND IT TO TOO MUCH. THE FACTOR DEVELOPER HAS NOT HAD SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROJECT IS NOT A DISQUALIFYING FACTOR. IF ANYTHING IT SHOWS THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED, BIGGER ET CETERA AND I THINK THEY HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS TYPE OF SKILLED PROJECT PRESENTED TO INTEREST, THAT'S USUALLY THE NORMAL-SIZED SCALE, TELLS ME THEY ME A BUILDING PUT SOMETHING INTERESTING TOGETHER THAT'S UNIQUE TO PARKLAND.
WE MAY NOT AGREE ON WHAT IT IS BUT WE WANTED TO BE UNIQUE.
>> WILL GO TO NEIL REAL QUICK. ED SIMS LIKE WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOP FOUR. YOU WANT TO ADD TURNBERRY.
YOU WANT TO ADD TURNBERRY. CINDY YOU WOULD NOT MIND ADDING
TURNBERRY. >> I'M OKAY IF OTHERS WANT TO.
NOT OPPOSED TO IT. >> AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO FROM A CONSENSUS, I JUST WANT TO-- ON OKAY ADDING THE FIFTH.
I WOULD PREFER JUST FOUR. BUT IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO WITH THE FIVE I AM COOL WITH THAT.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM ADDING TURNBERRY TO THE FOUR WE
DISCUSSED. >> WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
WILL GO WITH THE FIVE, TOP FOUR AND THEN TURNBERRY WILL BE THE
EXCELLENT. I THINK THE LAST ITEM WE WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
SO YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THE OUTLINE I BELIEVE OF THE RFQ.
WE HAVE COPIES. I WAS HOLDING ONTO THESE ACTUALLY. SO THE IDEA HERE IS OBVIOUSLY A BEEFED UP VERSION OF THE RFQ. THE RFQ WE ARE LOOKING FOR QUALIFICATIONS, CONCEPTUAL PLAN. THIS GETS INTO THE MEAT OF WHAT A FINANCIAL OFFER LOOKS LIKE FROM EACH OF THESE FIRMS. IT GOES FURTHER INTO THEIR DESIGN CONCEPTS.
WE WILL BE EXPECTING TO SEE MUCH MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF WORK THAT THEY WILL BE DOING WITH THEIR ARCHITECTURE FIRMS, OTHER DESIGN CONSULTANTS THEY WILL HAVE ON THE TEAM.
THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY FULLY BAKED PROPOSAL.
SO THE WAY WE HAVE STRUCTURED THIS, IS PRETTY TYPICAL IN THE WAY WE DO OUR PUBLIC-SECTOR RFPS AND THAT I WILL JUST START FROM THE TOP. REALLY IT'S THE INFO.
NO REVIEW. WE GO THROUGH A DETAILED SCHEDULE OF WHAT THE RESPONDENTS CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE TIME THEY HAVE TO RESPOND AND THE TIME WE WILL HAVE IN OUR END TO DO A THOROUGH ANALYSIS AND GET BACK TO THEM.
WILL ALSO HAVE PRESENTATIONS TO THE COMMISSION.
ULTIMATELY WILL BE THE COMMISSION'S DECISION.
THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SENDZIK IN THIS CASE ALL FIVE TEAMS COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION AND TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT, IF YOU AND OPPORTUNITY TO SOME Q&A BEFORE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION. THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL
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BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WILL BE LOOKING FOR ITS DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WHAT WE ASK FOR AN RFQ.GETTING WITH A SPECIFIC IN THE PROJECT TEAM HOLISTICALLY UNDERSTANDING WHO THE ARCHITECT IS GOING TO BE, WITH A CIVIL ENGINEER WILL BE. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FIRM IS GOING TO BE. UNDERSTANDING WHO THE KEY PERSONNEL ARE FOR EACH OF THOSE PLAYERS.
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND IS.
GOING FURTHER AS I SAID IN THE PROJECT CONCEPT, UNDERSTANDING THINGS LIKE LOT COVERAGE, BUILDING EFFICIENCY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAM.
UNDERSTANDING THEIR PARKING. WE SAW IN THE RFQ SOME OF THE RESPONDENTS MENTION STRUCTURED PARKING IN ADDITION TO SURFACE PARKING SO WE WANT TO FLUSH THAT OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE RESPONSES. EXPECTANT TENANT PROFILES, REALLY GETTING A FULLY BAKED PROPOSAL THAT GOES WAY BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN TODAY. AND THEN REALLY DIGGING INTO THE PROJECT FINANCING PLAN AND UNDERWRITING ASSUMPTIONS WE CAN DO A SMELL TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON PAPER FROM THE PROPOSAL MATCHES WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD SEE FROM A MARKET EXPECTATION. SO MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING PIE-IN-THE-SKY NUMBERS THAT MIGHT BE INFLATED BUT, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL THAT'S GROUNDED IN MARKET REALITIES WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO A FINANCIAL CLOSE.
AND THEN WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PLAN.
WE ALSO WANT TO NOBEL PUBLIC SPACE PROGRAMMING BACK UNDERSTANDING THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNAL VILLAGE WHERE THE RESIDENCE ARE SO PARKLAND WILL BE GATHERING.
WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AS PART OF THE SCHEMATIC PLAN AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE PROGRAMMED.
SO ALL OF THAT IS TO BE OUTLINED IN THE RFP.
PART OF THAT WILL HAVE SCORING RUBRIC UNDERSTANDING PERCENTAGES SO IT WILL GIVE YOU AS A COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT MORE FIREPOWER AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR EVALUATIONS.
ARE TMO COME IN AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE AN EVALUATION TRAINING WORKSHOP WITH YOU JUST TO HELP YOU KIND OF BEFORE WE HAVE THOSE PRESENTATIONS, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR WITH SOME HELP FROM US COACHING ALONG THE WAY.
>> DO YOU SEE THIS PROCESS GOING FROM FIVE TO ONE OR YOU SEE THIS PROCESS GOING MAYBE 5-2 MAC, 5-3 , AND MAYBE A SECOND-ROUND, LIKE HOW DO YOU ENVISION? 'S.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE MAY FIND THAT ONE REALLY SHINES ABOVE THE OTHERS. WE MAY FIND THAT THREE ARE PRETTY EVEN. AT WHICH POINT WE HAVE TO GET INTO A BEST AND FINAL SITUATION. IT DEPENDS ON ONCE WE SEE THE RESPONSES AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
IF YOU GUYS A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE DEVELOPERS.
THAT ALL KIND OF DICTATE WHAT THAT PROCESSES.
>> SO WE WON'T BE BOUND TO PICKING ONE FROM THAT FROM THE
FIVE. >> I ENVISIONED IT BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONFERENCE OF PROCESS AS WE DID FOR THE HOME SITES. WE HAD A LARGE POOL NARROWED IT AND NARROWED IT AGAIN. BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS MORE
INTENSE AND MORE COMPOUNDS OF. >> I GUESS UNTIL YOU SEE IT, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE SOMEBODY IS JUST LIKE WOW THAT'S AWESOME AND IT'S AN EASY DECISION, OR MAYBE IT IS TWO OR THREE THAT ARE LIKE, THESE ARE KIND OF CLOSE.
>> THERE MAY BE PORTIONS THAT WE LIKE FROM SOME, AND NOT THE ENTIRETY. SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHICH I THINK ALSO BENEFITS HAVING AN EXTRA ONE IN THE MIX.
SO I SAW YOU HAVE ON HERE THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE FINANCING.
THAT IS PPP OR GROUND OPTIONS. THAT IS THAN BEING EXPLORATORY OR ABOUT WHAT THE POTENTIAL VIABLE OPTIONS ARE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. WE WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THE RFP THAT ALLOWS FOR SOME MARKET CREATIVITY.
AND IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE FINANCING STRUCTURE THAT THESE DEVELOPERS ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST A FEW SIMPLE TRANSACTION.
IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR GROUND LEASE KEEPING A PORTION OF THE SITE AS CITY-OWNED.
WE WANT TO HEAR THAT PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
>> I THINK BECAUSE TO JORDAN'S POINT, YEAH, WE WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE TOO. LIKE YES, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, WE DID THIS HOMEWORK, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE MARRIE TO. WANT TO HOPEFULLY STAY RELATIVELY WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS, BUT WE WANT THEM TO COME TO US WITH THEIR IDEAS AND THEIR REASONS WHY, YOU KNOW, WILL BE ADDED THIS BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE DIDN'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE DID THIS BECAUSE OF THAT. TO JUST GIVE US ALL FLEXIBILITY AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BE THE BEST PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
BECAUSE THAT ULTIMATELY IS WHAT WE WANT.
WE WANT THE BEST PROJECT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND NONE OF US ARE DEVELOPERS. SO WE ARE RELYING ON OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS, AND YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB THUS FAR.
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SO NOW WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, HEY,, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT TO JORDAN'S POINT, DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. GREAT IDEA.THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. WHATEVER.
>> WHILE WE ARE IN THE IDEATION STAGE AND PLANNING THIS THING, I THINK KEEPING IT AS GENERAL AS POSSIBLE AND SEEING WHAT THEY DO
IS REALLY A GREAT PLAN TO HAVE. >> AND HAMMERING HOME AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, HAMMERING HOME WHAT OUR CONCERNS OR PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE, WHICH IS THIS FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF OUR CITY. WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES, RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, AND MAYBE SOME UNIQUE ASPECTS.
505-DEGREE DESIGN. MAYBE UNIQUENESS.
TALKED ABOUT MAYBE GREEN SPACE AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO INCORPORATE PARKLAND CHARACTER AND CHARM INTO A NEW VILLAGE.
>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE EMPHASIZE THE
COMMUNITY OUTREACH. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> FOR US THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S GOT TO BE REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US. WE WANT WHOEVER ENDS UP TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW US THAT THE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO TO HOAS, WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO TO HAVING TOWN HALL MEETINGS. MARKET RESEARCH.
ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
EMPHASIZING THAT FEATURE. >> AND I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM. BECAUSE IF IN THE SHORT-TERM THEY REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES ANDY CHOIS AND RESIDENT PRESS THIS WILL IMPACT ALL OF PARKLAND, NOT JUST NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. BUT IT WILL MEAN THEY HAVE BUY IN AND WILL BE COMMITTED TO SEEING THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT. NO DIFFERENT THAN THE TOW PROJECT GOING ON INHERENT BAY. THAT'S CRITICAL AND HOWEVER, WE WERE THAT THE RFP WILL BE EQUALLY CRITICAL 36-ACRE PARK, WE HAD THE SESSIONS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE GOOD AND COMPREHENSIVE.
THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK AND WE SPOKE ABOUT IT IN OUR MEETING IS I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SOMEONE BEING A GREAT DEVELOPER AND THEY LEAVE AND HAND THIS THING TO YOU, AND NOW WHO IS MANAGING IT? I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE ADD SOME REQUEST OF WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND? NOT JUST DEVELOPING IT BUT ALSO MANAGING IT OR EVEN MANAGING OTHER PEOPLE'S PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND WHETHER THEY INTEND TO OFFER OR BID TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY AS WELL OR IF THEY ARE SAYING WE ARE HERE
TO BUILD. >> I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN IS HAVING A MERCHANT BUILDER COME IN.
THEY GIVE YOU THE DOG AND PONY SHOW AND/OR OUT.
>> ONLY GOING TO BE AS GOOD AS IT IS MAINTAIN AND MANAGE
OVERTIME. >> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LONG-TERM PARTNER. I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THAT BUT WE CAN EXPAND ON THAT AS WE GET INTO THE RFP DOCUMENT.
>> FOR D2 HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO YOU OWN AND THE MANAGER HOW DO
YOU OWN AND MANAGE IN FLORIDA? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPERS, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR AREAS.
I WOULD LIKE AND BALANCES THE PROPOSED WE PUT IN PLACE TO HELP US IN THAT REGARD. WHILE WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE GROUNDWORK WITH WHAT OUR RESTRICTED USES RN PERMISSIBLE USES, ALL THOSE THINGS, THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS WE CAN EVEN IF WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE PPP OR GROUND LEASE KATHERINE HEBERT THE WAYS THEY HAVE SEEN THAT OF PANNED OUT TO HELP CURATE.
>> TO BOTH OF YOU GUYS, WE DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO BE GOOD NOW AND FOR FIVE YEARS. WE WANT THIS PROJECT TO BE GOOD
FOR 25, 50, YOU KNOW, 60 YEARS. >> WHICH GOES BACK TO THE POINT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE HOUSES.
WE WERE, IT WAS IMPORTANT AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WHEN DOING THE BIDDING PROCESS THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS BE CONSIDERED BY THE DEVELOPER. WHICH IS NUMBER 1 IF IT'S NOT A GROUND LEASE AND THEY OWN IT YOU HAVE ON HERE WHAT IS YOUR RESPECTIVE HOLD PERIOD. ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS YOU HAVE HELD IT FOR TEN YEARS, HAD YOUR TIME WITH AND WHATEVER AND YOU'RE READY TO SELL THIS THING. I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST NUMBER 1 SOME RIGHT OF RIGHT FIRST REFUSAL.
IT WILL BE A MASSIVE PIECE OF OUR CITY, AND MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOLD PERIOD OR EVEN SOMETHING ELSE OF RESTRICTED COVENANTS OF THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO SEE USED WITH THE PROPERTY. WHATEVER ACCOMMODATION OF THOSE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID A GREAT JOB OF.
>> THAT'S GREAT POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING. I GUESS WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE
RFP. >> YOU WANT TO KNOW AHEAD OF
TIME AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING IN MIND WHEN WE GET TO THAT PHASE, THAT WE ARE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE WE GET A CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING. >> IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL OR WHATEVER IT IS GOOD
TO KNOW THAT UPFRONT. >> OR IF THEY ARE WILLING TO DO IT IS REFLECTED MAYBE IN THE PURCHASE STICK IS PART OF THE
NEGOTIATION. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS TO THE
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MAYOR'S POINT WHICH IS A GREAT ONE.WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS TO BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS OF ALL PARKLAND FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE PERIOD IS IF NOT LONGER.
MAYBE THAT MEANS WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE A LITTLE LESS MONEY ON THE UPFRONT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE PROTECTIONS LONG-TERM OR MORE GREEN SPACE, WHATEVER IT IS.
IT IS A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE TO ME WE HAVE DONE WELL WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE OTHER TWO PARCELS. AND THIS IS THE PARCEL WHERE WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABILITY TO REALLY MAKE IT AMAZING.
>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING IN A GOOD POSITION FINANCIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY RECOUPED.
SO WE CAN ASK FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THEN OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME MONEY OBVIOUSLY IS A PART OF IT, BUT THE PROJECT BEING A GREAT PROJECT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DOLLARS AND CENTS.
SO WE CAN ASK FOR SOME THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE
LONG-TERM SUCCESS OBVIOUSLY IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US.
I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. BUT I HAVE BEEN TO LOTS OF GROUND UP DEVELOPED AREAS IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
SOME OF WHICH WERE DONE AND THEY ARE MASSIVELY SUCCESSFUL.
SOME OF WHICH SEEM TO STRUGGLE. PART OF THE PROCESS WHICH WOULD HELP ME A LOT IS UNDERSTANDING IN TODAY'S MARKET, 2026, WHAT FACTORS SEEM TO MAKE THESE THINGS LAST AND HAVE GREAT TENANTS THAT STICK AROUND, AND EVEN IF THEY TURN OVER TENANTS THEY CONTINUE TO ATTRACT QUALITY TENANTS WE ARE LOOKING FOR TO KEEP THE SUCCESSFUL LONG-TERM, AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, "NOT NAMING SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS, BUT WHAT HAS FAILED IN SOUTH FLORIDA, AND WHAT WERE THE FACTORS?
>> I THINK-- GO AHEAD CINDY. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN, AND THEIR SMALLER BUT EVEN WITH WITHIN OUR CITY, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE LITTLE AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND AGAIN NOT SO BIG LIKE THIS, BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, THIS IS BIG. LEANEY LIKE YOU GUYS ARE SAYING TENANTS AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT? THAT SUCCESS IS SO KEY.
>> I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ON THAT BUT THAT'S GOING TO A LOT OF IT FOLLOW US TO MAKE SURE WE PICK THE RIGHT DEVELOPER.
THE RIGHT DEVELOPERS GOING TO HAVE THOSE SOLID TENANTS THAT DON'T COME IN FOR A YEAR OR TWO. THEY WILL BE THE TENANTS SIGNING
TEN, 15 YEAR LEASES. >> MAYTHERS A MIX.
ONE OF THE THINGS TO COMMISSIONER'S ROW'S POINT IS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH SID AND AARON DAY WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED WAS MICRO LEASES AND IT KEPT A COMMUNITY FEEL.
IT COULD BE A COMBINATION BUT IT KEPT A COMMUNITY FEEL.
I WENT TO ONE OF THE PROPOSER'S PROPERTIES IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT IN MIAMI AND YOU ARE ABLE TO HAVE A BIG PARCEL SOME UNITS IN THEIR RENTED OUT BY SMALLER BUSINESSES OR MOM-AND-POP SHOPS AND THAT GAVE IT A COMMUNITY FEEL EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD SOME OTHER ANCHOR TENANTS AND OTHERS THAT WERE BIGGER. SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING WHAT THEY DO OR DON'T DO BUT IF WE KEEP ON EMPHASIZING THE FLEXIBILITY AND COMMUNITY ASPECT OF IT I THINK MAYBE WE WILL GET PROPOSALS LIKE
THAT IN THE DOOR. >> PERHAPS THAT IDEA IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES THESE THINGS SUCCESSFUL.
>> I THINK THAT IS US BEING FLEXIBLE WHICH JORDAN SAID EARLIER. US BEING FLEXIBLE AND OPEN TO HEARING FROM THESE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE THE EXPERTS THAT SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE THE PROJECT SUCCESSFUL.
>> AND I THINK PART OF OUR JOB AS FLEX A BULL AS WE ARE IS ALSO THE CONSTRAINTS. GUARD LA CASA MANTRA, IF THERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS EQUITY TO MAKE THIS CLEAR UP FRONT.
WHATEVER WE AGREE UPON. ONE OF THE THANKS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WAS ASKING NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SAYING MAYBE WE INCLUDE HEIGHT HEIGHT.
WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS I THINK LOOKING AT THE CODES, WHATEVER. IT IS ON THERE.
BEYOND THAT THE ACTUAL THING THAT WE KNOW WE DON'T WANT THE NONSTARTER THAT IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WE DON'T WANT THIS, AND PART OF THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE ON WHETHER IT IS LAND BANKING HOLDING BACK PROPERTY YOU WANT TO LET SOMEONE UPFRONT KNOW THAT. THE CITY HAS AN INTEREST IN MAINTAINING X AMOUNT OR WHATEVER IT IS.
LOOK AT PARKLAND WELL. THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB PROTECTING WHAT THEY WANTED AND GOT AN AWESOME PEOPLE PROPERTY REAL ESTATE THAT THE CITY HAS TO USE FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE WE NEED I THINK LAND RIGHT NOW IS MORE VALUABLE THAN MONEY.
WHY DO I SAY THAT? THE MONEY IS IMPORTANT SHORT-TERM. THE LAND DETERMINING WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH PROPERTY VALUES, LAND IS SOMETHING WE CAN
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DESIGNATE AS COMMERCIAL USE WHICH WE GET TO CONTROL.THAT MAY BE SOME OF THE LESS COMMERCIALLY'S PROPERTY AND WHILE UNTIL SOME THINGS SHUFFLEBOARD.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT.
WE TALK ABOUT CITY PROGRAMMING, WE HAVE TWO INTERESTS THAT ALLOW US TO BE MORE I WILL CALL IT DISCERNING EXACTLY AND MAKE CLEAR OF THIS IS WHAT OUR INTEREST IS BEFORE HE PUT THE PEN TODAY PAPER. IT CAN BE HARDER TO HAVE THE
DIALOG. >> BEFORE THEY PUT PEN TO PAPER ARE THEY GOING TO BE MEETING WITH US AS A BODY, MEETING WITH US ONE-ON-ONE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS? WE ARE GOING TO PREPARE THIS RFP OR WHATEVER AND WE HAVE SELECTED
FIVE. >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
>> YOUR IN THE CONE OF SILENCE. GOING TO SELECTED DEVELOPER AND MEET WITH DEVELOPER TO COME UP WITH--
>> MICKEY LEE PACKAGE IN PRIOR MEETINGS.
>> ONCE THE RFP COMES OUT, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE
CONVERSATION WITH DEVELOPERS. >> THERE WILL BE A CONE OF SILENCE BUT KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A CONE OF SILENCE BUT GENERALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AT MEETINGS. SO THEY'RE ABLE TO CAN INDICATE IN THAT MANNER TO YOU ALL IN THE SETTING.
>> THAT WOULD BE WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH THEIR PROPOSALS.
WE CAN ALWAYS SAY WE DON'T LIKE THIS CHANGE.
WE DON'T LIKE THIS, OR MAYBE SOMEBODY COMES WITH TWO OPTIONS.
>> THE RFP WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE HAVE THAT CONTROL AND WHAT GOES TO THE BIDDERS. WE'RE GOING TO SET THE TONE OF WHAT COMES BACK TO US. IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE CLEAR IN THE ACTUAL GOES OUT TO THEM THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY YOU DIDN'T HIT THE MARK BUT I FEEL THAT'S KIND OF NOT REALLY FAIR TO THEM. CERTAIN THINGS THESE ARE NONSTARTERS THAT WE AGREE ON. I'M SAYING THAT SOMETHING SHOULD
CROSS OFF. >> PUTTING IT TO CHOSEN EXPERTS, WHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE RFP OR MORE GENERALIZED BRING YOUR IDEAS RFP GET US WHERE WE ARE LOOKING MORE EFFICIENTLY?
>> THIS IS ALL BEEN GREAT FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHAT WILL MAKE THIS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. I THINK WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS TAKE THE FEE DIRECTLY HEARING FROM YOU TODAY AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS, MASSAGE THAT TO THE RFP DOCUMENT BUT STILL ALLOW FOR SOME MARKET CREATIVITY.
BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO SEE TO THE EARLIER POINT THAT WAS MADE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE JUST, YOU KNOW, STANDOUT HERE'S THE PLAN YOU GUYS ALREADY COOKED UP. WE WANT TO SEE WHAT ARE SOME OTHER IDEAS YOU HAVE THAT WILL MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A VIBRANT COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACE, VIBRANT PROJECT, SUSTAINABLE PROJECT THAT'S WANT TO BE HERE FOR A LONG-TERM IF HIS IDEAS MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THE DIFFERENT FIRMS. ALLOWING FOR A LEVEL OF MARKET CREATIVITY IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY IMPORTANT PIECES COMING OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BAKE INTO THAT RFP MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
>> WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR 505 I THOUGHT WE DID A GOOD COLLECTIVE AND IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THINGS WE ENVISIONED AND THE THINGS WE DIDN'T WANT.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW, I THINK I MADE THE JOKE THAT I DON'T KNOW BUT I WANT BUT I KNOW WHAT I DON'T WANT, AND I THINK THAT 505 IN THEIR CONCEPTUAL TRY TO TAKE ALL THAT STUFF INTO ACCOUNT AND THOSE SAME POINTS WOULD BE APPLICABLE HERE SO I DON'T OFFERS A WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND THOSE ISSUES'. I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT 505 PLAN WAS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE RFQ. SO WE MADE SURE THAT ALL THE RESPONDENTS SAW THAT 505 WORK PRODUCT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE CONCEPT THE CITY HAS COME UP WITH.
THIS IS THE GIST OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT FIVE HUNTER FIVE CAME UP WITH BUT IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE CITY
APPROVED. >> THAT'S WHY WE PROBABLY WILL GO TO A SECOND. TO ME I THINK BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M HEARING TODAY WE WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY GO TO THAT SECOND ROUND. WE WOULD HAVE FIVE PEOPLE COME IN. WILL GET THOSE PROPOSALS.
WILL VOTE ON WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO AT THAT TIME.
THEN WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ONE ON ONES AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, HAVE THEM MASSAGE THOSE PLANS, AND THEN WHETHER WE DECIDE TO HAVE FIVE OR THREE OR TWO WHATEVER THAT IS, THEN WE WOULD GET WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SECOND ROUND. THAT'S, FROM WHAT WE ARE SAYING THAT'S HOW I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR US.
AND I THINK THAT TO ME'S. I IMAGINE IT'S REALISTIC THAT WE LIKE 90% OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE REALLY DON'T LIKE AND THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACK AND
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FORTH. >> THE MORE YOU CAN GIVE THEM UPFRONT MAKES IT A BETTER PROPOSAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW THEY MENTIONED WE COULD DO A PUBLIC MEETING NOT BREAKING THE CONE OF SILENCE. OR WE CAN HAVE STAFF WORK WITH JLL TO SUMMARIZE ALL THE CONCERNS WE RAISED IN THE LAST
FIVE MEETINGS. >> NO THAT'S WHAT HE SAID HE WILL DO. HE WILL TAKE ALL OF OUR
COMMENTS. >> I DON'T THINK I'M SEEN JUST FIVE HUNTER FIVE CLASS DESIGN ENCAPSULATES ALL THE THINGS YOU
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE GOT TONIGHT, FEEDBACK WE HAVE GOTTEN DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ALL
INDIVIDUALLY. >> WE HAVE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS DOCUMENTED AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THEM SO THEY
CAN COMMUNICATE THAT THROUGH. >> I AM SURE THAT RFP PROCESS YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ASK QUESTIONS.
>> YOU WILL SAY OKAY HERE'S THE RFP I WAS THINKING THIS.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SAY I KNOW THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT THEY WANT, OR YES THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY WANT SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE RFP COMES OUT FOR EVERYBODY TO ASK JLL A QUESTION AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING INTO HER ON THE
WRONG TRACK OR WHATEVER. >> IT SOUNDS A GIFT WE NEED TO GIVE GREATER CLARITY TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN RFP WE CAN HAVE
A PUBLIC MEETING AND DISCUSS AT. >> I THINK WE WOULD DO THAT IN
THE SUBSEQUENT ROUNDS. >> I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO SIDES OF THE COIN OF WHICH SIDE OF THE CONGRUENT TO BE ON.
THE MORE FLEXIBLE WE ARE UPFRONT MAKES FOR MORE MEETINGS BACK AND MEANT TO GO BACK TO EARLY WANT. YOU LOSE MANY FLEXIBILITY IN THE FRONT AND MET BY TELLING HERE'S THE CONDITIONS WERE NONSTARTERS.
YOU REDUCE A WHOLE LOT OF THE GOD YOU MISSED THAT ENTIRELY WANT THAT. SO I GET THERE IS MERIT IN BOTH BUT AS LONG AS WE ARE HAVING THE ITERATIVE PROCESS I'M FINE WITH EITHER. I THINK AS PRINCIPAL APPROVED PRINCIPAL APPROVED UNRELEASED TWO MEETINGS FOR LOGO WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS FOR LOGO.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SAY HOW MANY BUT MY POINT IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WHILE WE ALL ARE EAGER WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET IT RIGHT. AND ONE WRINKLE.
>> DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH FROM US? > ONE WRINKLE I WANT TO THROW IN THE DISCUSSION IS RESIDENTIAL IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR TAX REFORM AND IMPACTS WITH SAID TAX. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN KICKING AROUND IS DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE AN UPDATE FOR ADDING A PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL THAT'S RENTAL THAT'S PART OF THIS TO HELP WITH THE TAX BASE, IN THE EVENT THAT TAX REFORM
DOES GET THROUGH IN TALLAHASSEE. >> I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROPOSALS WITH THAT. I'M NOT SAYING YOU COMMIT TO IT OR ANYTHING. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE ARE NOW EXPLORING WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE GOING FORWARD RECOGNIZING THEIR LIMITING TO TRY RESIDENTIAL BUT IF I LOOK AT MEISNER PARK IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHATEVER THE PLAZA IS SO I THINK A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO DENSITY AND WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE BUT IT ALSO IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE LIVE ABOVE THIS IMPROVES THE LIKELIHOOD OF FUTURE SUCCESS CAN LONG-TERM SUCCESS.
WE HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE VIDE AND ENHANCES THAT
VILLAGE FEEL. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I AM IN FAVOR OF AND YOUR EXAMPLE OF MEISNER IS A GOOD ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT JUST HIGH-RISE THING THAT IS AN EYESORE.
IT IS BUILT RIGHT INTO IT SO YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T KNOW REALLY UNLESS YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THAT THEY ARE EVEN HIGH AND MAKE UNITS. IT IS JUST A VERY WELL DONE.
WE CAN DO IT EVEN BETTER BUT I THINK IT CAN BE A WHEN COWIN AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER ISROW SAID.
>> MY CONCERN IS, THE REASON WE WENT INTO THIS ENDEAVOR AND THE REASON WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY UNDERSTANDING THAT A PORTION OF WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL WAS THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE WOULD BE VERY, VERY LIMITED. TO THE EXTENT LEGISLATURE DOES SOMETHING AND PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT THAT TOTALLY APPENDS THE IMPACT THAT BALLOT INITIATIVE MAY HAVE ON PARKLAND, I AM HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANOTHER ISSUE.
BUT MY WORRY IS, AND I DON'T COMPLETELY DISCOUNT BECAUSE OF HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH JLL, I DON'T COMPLETELY DISCOUNT THE POINT YOU JUST MADE WHICH SOME RESIDENTIAL MAY HELP THE VIBRANCE AND CONNECTIVITY OF THE BUSINESSES THERE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE REGULARLY THERE BUT I THINK THEY'RE VERY LARGE OR GROWING CITY THAT HAS BEEN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WANTING, ASKING
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FOR AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS FROM ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, ASKING FOR MORE HOMEGROWN RESTAURANTS, MORE LOCAL PLACES TO CONNECT WITH COMMUNITY, AND MY WORRY IS IF YOU START DOWN THE ROAD OF TELLING DEVELOPERS THAT YOU CAN ALLOW RESIDENTIAL PIECE, TO GO BACK ON OUR WORD WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH RESIDENTS CAPS ABSENT SOMETHING CHANGING THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE SNUCK I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY EXPECT TO SEE OUT OF THIS, AND AS A RESIDENT THERE'S FAIRLY IGNORANT TO THIS PROCESS MYSELF. MY GUT INSTINCT IS TO SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WINS WINDS OF CHANGE AND WHAT MUNICIPAL BUDGETING WILL LOOK LIKE 23, FOUR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL WANT LONG-TERM SUCCESS OF THESE, OF THIS PROPERTY, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT HAVING SOME LIMITED RESIDENTIAL PORTION CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE CHALLENGES.I THINK IT WOULD BE IGNORANT TO NOT AT LEAST ENTERTAIN THE IDEA.
MY GUT IS, YOU KNOW, MY GUT BUT WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND IT IN THE CONCEPT OF THE WORLD AS WE LIVE, THEN IT WOULD BE SILLY TO JUST
COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT. >> OBVIOUSLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STATE, THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED BECAUSE THIS YEAR WON'T BE THE LAST TIME SOMETHING, IF DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WE KNOW IT'S GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE.
THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO THWART THE POWERS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND MAKE IT HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO SUCCEED.
AND PARKLAND OBVIOUSLY IS HURT MORE THAN MOST OTHER CITIES BECAUSE OF ALL OUR HOMESTEAD. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU KNOW TO MEAN? TO A JORDAN IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT REALLY TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER. I WOULD NOT MIND SEEING THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
WE CAN EASILY SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO FOR ME I WOULD RATHER SEE IT EARLIER AND SAY NO THAN SAY NOW WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING AND WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING
BOARD. >> FOR ME I'M ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM. WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS OUT IN A TIME FRAME WHEREBY THE END AND WELL BEFORE THE RFP RESPONSES ARE DUE, WE MAY KNOW IT WILL GO ON THE BALLOT.
NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WILL GET PAST BUT WE MAY KNOW WHAT WILL GET ON THE BALLOT BY APRIL OR MAY.
>> RIGHT. BUT WE KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO STOP HERE TODAY. THEY ARE RAISING THE LIMITS ON-- I GET YOU. I GET YOUR POINT.
>> EVERY DAY THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING TO TIE OUR HANDS AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR CITIES LIKE PARKLAND TO THRIVE.
AGAIN I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF, BUT A HANDFUL, WELL THOUGHT OUT TO ME DOESN'T SOUND, TO LOOK-- WE ARE NOT MAKING THAT DECISION TODAY THAT WE ARE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
ALL WE'RE DOING TODAY IS SAYING LET'S LOOK.
ONCE THE RFP PROCESS WE WILL KNOW AND WE CAN SAY NO.
>> I THINK IF WE ARE STRUCTURING IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF JLL CAN GIVE GUIDANCE, THE STRUCTURE OF IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF 505 WHICH DIDN'T HAVE IT. AND IF WE SAY, WELL GIVEN ALL WHAT'S GOING ON THE MARKET, WE WOULD BE WILLING IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE IN ADDITION TO THE MAIN PLAN WHICH DOESN'T HAVE IT, SOME CONSIDERATION FOR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AGAIN I I WILL NOTE IN PLACE YET BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PROCESS BE VERY MUCH COMMUNITY ORIENTED AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS ABOUT ALL OF THAT. AS TO WHETHER THIS RECEPTIVITY.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE AND I'M WITH YOU BECAUSE AGAIN LOOK I'M WITH YOU. THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO ME I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF BUT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WOULD THIS HELP TO DEVELOP AND AS A WHOLE BE MORE SUCCESSFUL PROJECT? WHAT IS THE TOTALITY OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IS A 50 OR 20 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED OF SOME SORT OF FREESTANDING APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THAT IS A TOTAL NONSTARTER. >> HUNTER GREENE MORE.
BUT WHAT TO COMMISSIONER ISROW SAID HAVING SOMETHING WORKED IN WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING, TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MAKE IN
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THAT HERE TODAY. >> YOU'RE GOING TO GET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VACANCY IS OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE AND I'M SURE THESE PROPOSALS WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AREA AROUND IT, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS, WAS A HOTEL'S. SOME DEVELOPERS MIGHT SAY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GOING TO WORK IN AND THAT NAME NOT PROPOSE
RESIDENTIAL. >> WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE RELYING ON DEVELOPERS. LET'S MAKE THIS A PART OF OUR RFP SAYING LOOK THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT HAVING IT AND TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT YOUR CONCERN, UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK ON THE WORD TO THE RESIDENTS BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR WORD WAS WE ARE HERE TO AVOID THE MONSTROSITY, THE ELEPHANT WHICH WE HAVE WE HAVE DONE THAT.
BUT A LOT OF IT WAS DIRECTED TO WHAT WAS ALSO GOOD TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE HEARING DAY HOA.
THE 52 HOMES WE'RE YEAS GIVE THE NUMBERS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
RECOGNIZING ME STILL WANTED TO UTILIZE THE SPACE ET CETERA.
ADVOCATES A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN MY VIEW BECAUSE PERSONALLY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PROMISING THE RESIDENTS OF HEARING DAY THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY RESIDENTIAL ON THIS PART OF IT. WE WOULD TRY TO MITIGATE AND REDUCE AS MUCH AS WE COULD, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT PROMISE ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT OVER THE HOMES IN THE WAY OF POTENTIALLY THE FUTURE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF US TAKING ASLEEP WAS TO AVOID RESIDENTIAL BUT IF THIS FAILS THAT'S LIKELY WHAT'S GOING TO ENSUE. SOMEONE'S GONE TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE HANDS AND CAN TURN IT INTO WHAT WE TRIED TO AVOID.
SO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND MINDFUL OF THAT, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT WILL BE DONE UPFRONT AND THE CONVERSATIONS ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT I THINK BY HAVING RESIDENTIAL ESPECIALLY IF IT GOES BACK TO MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR WHOEVER, A MANAGEMENT COMPANY. NOW THERE GIVES ROOM FOR DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS WERE HAVE SOMEONE WHO MAY BE ON THE HOOK WHO'S THERE PRESENTLY WHO CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AT NIGHT, RESPONSIBLE FOR LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE'S SKIN IN THE GAME OF THE PROPERTY.
NOT JUST THE ONE HOMES IT WAS CONTRIBUTING TO WHATEVER SERVICES OR RESOURCES. WHEN SOMEONE IS TRYING TO FILL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SURROUNDING AREA LOOKS GREAT, IT IS SAFE AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT MAY BE ANOTHER.
>> THE SAME THING IF OFFICES ARE ABOVE IT, THE SAME CONCEPT.
>> OFFICES MOSTLY THAT NIGHT. NOT TO SAY WE HAVE PEOPLE LATE AT NIGHT BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE HOPING IS PEOPLE ARE THERE ON FRIDAY EVENING HAVING DINNER WHERE MOST OFFICES WILL BE SHUT DOWN SO IT CREATES A LITTLE MORE CONTINUITY THAT ALL
COMES DOWN TO SIZE AND SCALE. >> GO AHEAD CINDY SKIMMING I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I'M OPEN TO IT IN SOME DISCUSSIONS I HAVE HAD WITH RESIDENTS WHETHER WHEN CAMPAIGNING OR THEREAFTER, IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THESE APARTMENTS THAT ARE BY DOUGLAS. AND THEY ARE AN EYESORE.
AND THEY ARE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT, THEY ARE NOT PARKLAND.
THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SNOBBY.
IT IS JUST, IT DOESN'T HAVE OUR FIELD.
SO I HAVE HAD PEOPLE SAY WITHOUT EVEN RAISING, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE, AND COMMISSIONER ISROW MENTIONING, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I DO THINK THAT IT IS VERY WISE TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS SAY, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT OPEN.
WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO STRUCTURED, AND LET HIM TELL US BECAUSE LIKE MAYOR SAID, MAYBE IT IS A NONSTARTER BUT IF IT IS NOT A NONSTARTER THEN WE SHOULD LISTEN.
ARE THERE EXAMPLES THEY CAN PROVIDE? BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE, THEIR INPUT.
AND FRANKLY, LET'S SAY WE GET VERY FORTUNATE IN TAX REFORM, WE END UP BEING OKAY. I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING SOME INCOME COMING IN AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD ONLY DO IT IN THE RIGHT WAY. SO MAKING PART OF THE VILLAGE.
NOT SOME APARTMENT BUILDING. THAT SAID I UNDERSTAND THE 505 PIECE. I WAS NOT WITH THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IF THIS WERE CONSIDERED SERIOUSLY TO HAVE THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
SO I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. >> THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WE'LL PREMATURE GREED ON WHEN THEY WERE ASKING WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT THE PROJECT IN THE FIRST PLACE, WE AGREED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEL. YOU NEED TO FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT.
IF THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS, IT HAS TO FEEL LIKE WHAT PARKLAND IS. IT IS NOT COUNTRY SOMETHING THAT
FEELS OUT OF PLACE. >> THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ADDING, LET'S GO BACK TO THE ASK. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ADDING RENTAL APARTMENTS TO THIS. RIGHT NOW IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF PARKLAND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE'S ONE RENTAL APARTMENT COMPLEX IN
THE ENTIRE CITY. >> THIS WOULD NOT BE A RENTAL
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APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> BUT IT WOULD BE EVEN IF IT IS ON THE SECOND STORY OF THE ENTIRETY OR A PORTION, IT WOULD BE A RENTAL APARTMENT WHATEVER IT IS.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND I AGREE WITH GIVING THE DEVELOPERS SOME FLEXIBLY. BUT THE PURPOSE OF US HIRING 505 WAS TO NOT GIVE TOTAL FOR IT'S ABILITY.
IT WAS TO CURATE WITH THE DESIGN OF IT WAS AND ALL THE THINGS WE DIDN'T WANT IN IT. AND AT THE TIME WE ARE ALSO DEALING WITH DIFFERENT FACTORS ADMITTEDLY.
WE'RE DEALING WITH OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS.
WE WERE DEALING WITH WORRY PUTTING RESIDENTIAL ATTACKS OR SCHOOL-BASED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I GET IT THAT SOME THANKS HAVE CHANGED, BUT I STILL AM SO GOT SHY ABOUT ADDING THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT.
>> I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME. WE'RE JUST ASKING TO SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH. WE ARE NOT MAKING THE DECISION THAT YES, WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS DECISION IS TODAY. THIS DECISION IS THE RFP PROCESS TO SEE WHAT DEVELOPERS COME BACK WITH.
>> CRACKED THE DOOR IMPOSSIBILITY OR KEEP IT SLAM SHUT. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. WE ARE NOT TALK ABOUT ANY
POSSIBLE-- >> THERE'S NO DECISINS.
THE ONLY DECISION WE ARE REALLY MAKING TODAY IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE AND WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE CONCEPTS TO ASK.
>> FOR ME AND IS ALMOST LIKE A, HERE IS YOUR PROJECT AND BY THE WAY IF YOU WANT TO CRACK THE DOOR OPEN, HERE'S A PROPOSED AUGMENTATION TO THE PROJECT. NOT HERE IS YOUR PROJECT WITH
THE RESIDENTIAL. >> BUT THE RFP PROCESS, THEY ARE GOING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RELATED TO THEM, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR.
THEY NEED TO SHOW US THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO AND THIS IS WHAT IT
WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> DEVELOPERS.
>> WHAT WE SAY IS WE NEED RECOGNIZING THE POTENTIAL OF THE LAW THAT SURGERY CHANGING. ALL THE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE PROJECTS IN FLORIDA. THEY ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. LET'S ASK MORE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PART OF THE RFP THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER FOR VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR REVENUE WHATEVER THE FUTURE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MAY BE WE MENTIONED RESIDENTIAL OR NOT BUT THEY WOULD GET THE POINT OF THEY WILL FIND STRUCTURED OR HYBRID APPROACH. I THINK WE WELCOME THE CREATIVITY. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT THE CENTRAL FOCAL POINT OF THE RFP BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO HIDDEN IN A FOOTNOTE THAT THEY BECOME LIKE, I GUESS THAT'S NOT
REALLY INTERESTED. >> DEVELOPERS DEVELOP PROJECTS TO MAXIMIZE PROFITABILITY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT BUT ALSO LOOKING TO KEEP IT SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED SO THAT IT'S VERY PARKLAND LIKE, VERY COMMUNITY-ORIENTED ORGAN AND ORIENTED, ON IMPACTFUL FROM A NEGATIVE STANDPOINT ON OUR CITY.
>> YEAH, BUT THE THE TWO OF THEM ACCOMPLISH THE COMPETING GOALS.
HAVING RESIDENTIAL HELPS THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS SKIMMING I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS IT ANYMORE THAN HAVING OFFICES ABOVE. I DON'T KNOW.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY A STATEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT DEVELOPERS WILL TELL US. THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL TELL US.
SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. >> THINK WE UNDERSTAND.
>> I THINK PUTTING A LINK TO THE MEETINGS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> THIS WAS A VERY HELPFUL DISCUSSION.
GOOD TO GO. >>
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