Dec 12, 2024 Planning and Zoning

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>>> HARLEQUIN? >> TESTING. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, WELCOME . TONIGHT IS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2024 AT 6:00 P.M. PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING CITY . EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

>>> THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> DEREK BIXBY. GOLDSTEIN. JOE SAJOVITS KAPLAN. BOBBIO RODRIQUEZ, VICE CHAIR AVELLO , CHAIRMAN ZWEIG.

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>> THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION, ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES JULY

11TH PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING? >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> GOOD EVENING, PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN

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[7. Approval of the Agenda]

[8.A. Ordinance 2024-014: Establishment of the "Village in the Park" Zoning District and Design Guidelines Consideration of an Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, amending the City of Parkland Land Development code by amending Article 10 "Districts" to create Division 85 "Village in the Park District" and establish a new zoning district; Providing regulations and standards for the Village in the Park zoning district and providing associated design guidelines for the district; providing for codification, conflicts; severability, and an effective date.]

>> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AT THIS MOMENT I WILL READ IN ITEM NUMBER 8 AND START OUR PUBLIC HEARING. ESTABLISHMENT OF THE VILLAGE IN THE PARKING ZONING DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND, LAURA , AMENDING THE CITY OF PARKLAND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE 10 DISTRICTS TO CREATE DIVISION 85 VILLAGE IN THE PARK DISTRICT AND ESTABLISH A NEW ZONING DISTRICT, PROVIDING REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS FOR THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK ZONING DISTRICT AND PROVIDING ASSOCIATED GUIDELINES FOR THE DISTRICT PROVIDED FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICTS, THE VARIABILITY , AND AN EFFECTIVE

DATE . >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU, BOARD. KATELYN FORBES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT . TODAY, WE ARE TAKING THE STEPS FOR THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK PROCESS, INCLUDING VISITING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN ASSOCIATED ZONING REGULATIONS. THIS WILL BE A THREE-PART PRESENTATION THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE. WE WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND SUMMARY. I WANT TO TURN THE PRESENTATION TO JOHN WARD, WHO IS WITH ME TO PRESENT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES , AND THEN I WILL WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION WITH THE ZONING SPECIFICS. IF YOU DON'T MIND , WE DO ASK THAT YOU HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END OF THOSE THREE PRESENTATIONS , BECAUSE ONE OF THE LATER PRESENTATIONS MIGHT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IF YOU THINK SOMETHING IS MISSING OR YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY WE CAN TACKLE ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AT THE END

TOGETHER. >> Y'ALL HEAR THAT? >> IT IS A POLITE REQUEST, IF

YOU DON'T MIND . >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD .

>> THANK YOU, MUCH APPRECIATED. HOW DID WE GET HERE? WE WILL LAY A LITTLE FOUNDATION AGAIN BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD AND EVERYONE HAS PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT HERE. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, PLANT VISION AND ULTIMATE CODE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE RESULT OF A LOT OF HARD WORK FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE INVOLVED, INCLUDING THIS BOARD . TONIGHT, WE HAVE JOHN WARD WITH COOPER CAREY, ALSO BRIAN HOOVER , THE DESIGN REVIEW PROFESSIONAL .

THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE ARBORIST, JOHN DOES HAVE TWO TEAM MEMBERS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS ON TEAMS AS WELL. HOPEFULLY, THEY CAN HEAR US. STARTING IN 2021 , OR SO, AND SINCE, WE'VE HAD WELL OVER A DOZEN MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS ON THIS ITEM WITH THIS BOARD, WITH THE COMMISSION AS PART OF PUBLIC WORKSHOPS . I CERTAINLY CAN APPRECIATE A LOT OF THE EFFORT THAT EVERYONE HAS PUT INTO THIS PROJECT HERE, SO WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THIS NEXT IMPORTANT STEP FOR YOU TONIGHT. WHY DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS NEXT STEP? WE DO HAVE A LITTLE AERIAL THAT WILL HELP THIS EXPLAIN. ESSENTIALLY, OUR ENTITLEMENTS, OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS LIMIT WHAT WE CAN

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WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD IS THE TEXT THAT ESTABLISHES THE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS, AND LATER YOU WILL SEE THE MAP AMENDMENT. USUALLY, YOU HAVE A TEXT AND MAP AMENDMENT, SO WE ARE ESTABLISHING A TEXT, AND ON THE LINE, WE WILL COME IN WITH A MAP AMENDMENT TO ZONE TO THE VIP DISTRICT, JUST THE NAME OF THE DISTRICT THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. THEN, THERE IS A COUPLE OF SURROUNDING TAGS JUST TO ORIENT YOU IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE PROJECT HERE. SO, A COUPLE OF SPECIFICS HERE . OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ALREADY . BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF STEPS TO GO. YOU WILL SEE THIS AS A BOARD IN DIFFERENT FORMS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO YOU WILL GET A LOT MORE BITES AT THE APPLE AS THIS PROJECT CONTINUES . I TRY TO HIGHLIGHT JUST AN OVERALL, APPROXIMATE PROCESS AND SCHEDULE HERE. THE FIRST THREE ARE KIND OF PIECES THAT ARE IN PROCESS. THE ANNEXATION APPLICATION HAS BEEN PROCESSED. IT IS PROCESSED NOW, AND AGAIN I KNOW THAT WOULD LIKELY BE AFFECTED THE FALL OF THIS COMING YEAR. OBVIOUSLY, THE SECOND BULLET IS A PROCESS WE ARE GOING THROUGH NOW IN ESTABLISHING THE TEXT FOR THE DISTRICT, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS ON AN IRA , A LOCAL AGREEMENT TO GRANT THE CITY LAND-USE AUTHORITY FOR THAT 8 1/2 ACRES IN THE INTERIM BEFORE ANNEXATION BECOMES EFFECTIVE.

THE NEXT ITEM THAT IS KEY, AS WE MOVE THROUGH FALL 2024 THROUGH THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND END OF 2025 ARE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THIS BOARD. AGAIN, I PROMISE YOU, LOTS OF BITE AT THE APPLE. WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE 8 1/2 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL LAND USE.

THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD AFTER WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE LAND-USE AUTHORITY, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND ANNEXATION BECOMES LAW. THE NEXT MOVING PIECE WOULD BE THE MAP AMENDMENT I EXPLAINED THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE DESIGNATION CHANGE FROM THE A-1 TO THE VIP DISTRICT. LASTLY , OF COURSE, AN UNKNOWN FUTURE DEVELOPER AT THIS POINT WOULD GO THROUGH AN RFQ AND RFP PROCESS AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATIONS SPECIFIC TO THE SITE, INCLUDING A PLAT, MASTER SIDE PAIN PLAN AND COMMUNITY BOARD APPLICATIONS. THOSE WILL COME BEFORE YOU AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OR SO. THE DOCUMENTS WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE ALL INTERRELATED.

THERE ARE IMPORTANT ROLES THAT EACH ONE HAS AT THINGS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR ONE DOCUMENT , IT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE OTHER. YOU WILL SEE THE SEPARATION AND THE DISTINCTION OF EACH ONE HERE. AS I SAID, THE DESIGN GUYS KIND OF LOOK INTO THE ZONING REGULATIONS . FIRST AND FOREMOST, THEY SET THE TONE AND VISION FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT . IT IS KIND OF AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF 30,000 FOOT VIEW. AS A REMINDER, THE MASTER PLAN YOU SEE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES IS NOT THE ULTIMATE PLAN. HE CAN TAKE A LOT OF SHAPES AND FORMS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WITH THIS BOARD. FOLLOWING THAT IS THE ZONING DISTRICT , WHICH SETS THE FRAMEWORK OR ENVELOPE FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPER TO WORK IN, AND THEN COMING BACK TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF REALLY FINE, DETAILS ABOUT THE TYPE OF QUALITY AND CHARACTER, CERTAIN MATERIALS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, CERTAIN DESIGN ASPECTS. THAT IS WHERE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES COME BACK INTO PLAY AGAIN. IMPORTANTLY, AND I WILL LOOK TO ANTHONY FOR THIS, YOU WILL HELP ENSURE THAT I DEVELOP AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE THAT SPEAKS TO THE PUBLIC BENEFITS AND OTHER TYPES OF COMMITMENTS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER THAT GET INTO AGAIN MAYBE SOME OF THE FINE, TIMING OF THINGS, SPECIFIC COMMITMENT, SPECIFIC , THINGS LIKE THAT, THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO ESTABLISH IN THE GUIDELINES OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, THE THINGS WE STILL WANT TO SPEAK TO AND REGULATE IN SOME WEIGHT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE THE THREE MOVING PIECES HAS A ROLE, ALL WORKING

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>> I AM JOHN COOPER, BOULDER, COLORADO AND WE BASICALLY LIVED LOOK AT REAL ESTATE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND HELP CREATE ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE REAL ESTATE AND THE MARKET, AND THE DESIRES OF EITHER THE DEVELOPERS WE WORK FOR, OR THE COMMUNITY THEMSELVES. WE WORK BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION. WE GOT INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS WERE DOWN THE ROAD AND ACTUALLY HAD SOME PEOPLE SUBMIT STUFF ON THE SITE. THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS, WITH THIS COMMUNITY SEES ITSELF WITH SCALE, ATTITUDE, ARCHITECTURE, AND ALL OF THAT SO THAT WHEN YOU WENT BACK OUT TO TRY AND ATTRACT A HIGHLY QUALIFIED, GOOD DEVELOPER, YOU COULD CLEARLY SORT OF ARTICULATE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND GIVE THEM SOME FRAMEWORK SO THAT WHEN YOU GET QUALIFICATIONS, AND OR SUBMITTALS ON THE RP, THEY UNDERSTAND SORT OF WHAT THE GAMES ARE AN ATTITUDE OF WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO. WE GOT INVOLVED IN THAT, AS YOU SAID, IT WAS HOW LONG AGO? MY GOD.

SO, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE COMMUNITY, LOOKING AT THE COMPETITION, LOOKING AT THIS COMMUNITY , AND WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE COMMISSIONERS, RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY , WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN COFFEE SHOPS, TELL US ABOUT PARKLAND, HOW YOU FEEL, AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE, HOW IS PARKLAND DIFFERENT FROM COMMUNITIES AROUND YOU, AGAIN, HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELVES ? AND PROCEEDED TO TRY AND COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN AND BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT SHOWING IMAGERY THAT WE BEGAN TO INFORM WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE WENT THROUGH AND WORKED WITH THE COMMISSION ON THAT. I THINK WE GOT BUY-IN . THE NEXT STEP WAS TO PUT TOGETHER GUIDELINES WHICH WERE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC. I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE YOU WANTED THAT DOCUMENT TO HELP SUPPORT THE ZONING , AND THE OTHER DOCUMENTS YOU HAD TO DO, WHETHER WE HAD TO DO THAT FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, NOT REALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT IS COMING . I THINK THE SUPPORT AND YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING. WE GOT SOME IMAGES .

I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE GUIDELINES. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE HAS HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH, IT IS A 77 PAGE DOCUMENT. I WILL GIVE YOU A BRIEF NARRATIVE OF THAT. YOU KIND OF HEARD HOW WE GOT INVOLVED AND HOW WE STARTED. I CAN'T SEE SO WELL , I HAVE IT ON MY THING TOO. AGAIN, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IN THE MARKET. THERE WAS SORT OF THIS MONIKER OF VILLAGE IN THE PARK. IT IS FUNNY WHEN WE SAID THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE GO, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE DON'T WANT SOME BIG, COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER THAT FEELS LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER, WE WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE NOTION OF VILLAGE IN THE PARK, WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF THAT AND THE NOTION OF TRYING TO CREATE THIS COUNTRY ELEGANCE. THERE ARE SOME WORDS THAT ARE FUN TO TRY TO TRANSLATE INTO WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE . IT WILL BE INTERESTING BECAUSE WE SET A GUIDANCE OUT THERE AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW DEVELOPERS COME BACK AND WHAT THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THAT MEANS, BUT WE TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME IDEA ABOUT THAT AND REALLY CREATING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN SPEND TIME, A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, DO I GO OUT TO THE SOCCER GAME, WHERE CAN I GO TO DINNER? DO I TAKE MY FAMILY, CAN I JUST GO WITH MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER AND THE NOTION OF FLOURISHING TOGETHER. THERE WAS A LOT OF ATTITUDE ON HOW DO YOU MAKE A COMMERCIAL RETAIL PROJECT WORK, BUT HAVE ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY? AGAIN, THERE ARE A SERIES OF SLIDES THAT BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU SEE COUNTRY ELEGANCE, TRYING TO PUT IMAGERY TOGETHER THAT BEGINS TO TRANSLATE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN INTO THE CHARACTER , WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF MATERIALS, ORGANIC AND AUTHENTIC DETAILS, SORT OF TRADITIONAL, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, BUT EXPRESSED AND TRANSLATED IN A FRESH AND FORWARD WAY. I ALWAYS LIKE TO USE THE WORD, WE TALK ABOUT MEMORY AND PROPHECY. YOU WANT TO MAKE A FLURRY LOOK GOOD IN FRONT OF AN 18TH-CENTURY

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HAVE DINING . ALSO, I LIKE TO SAY, PEOPLE EITHER WANT TO BE SEEN OR THEY WANT TO WATCH PEOPLE. CREATING PLACES FOR BOTH OF THOSE. I USED ANOTHER TERM EARLIER, BUT IT WAS EITHER A VOYEUR OR EXHIBITIONIST. YOU WANT TO WATCH THINGS OR BE WATCHED . HOW DO YOU CREATE PLACES FOR THAT. IT WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME CREATING SPACES TO DO THAT. AND THEN, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE FLOURISHING TOGETHER, REALLY ENHANCING THOSE SPACES. A LOT OF ENERGY PUT INTO THAT. A LOT OF IMAGERY PUT INTO THAT AS WE WORK WITH PARKLAND. WENT WHEN WE GET TO THE OVERALL PLAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF USES, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO FRAME ACTIVITY ON THE WATER THAT IS SORT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THE PROJECT AND FIELD DIME ON THE WATER AND CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WE THINK WORKS PRETTY WELL AS A RETAIL DIAGRAM, BUT ALSO CREATES A GREAT CENTER GREEN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PROJECT, AND VARIOUS KINDS OF PUBLIC PLAY ON THE SKIRTS OF THE PROJECT. I THINK THERE IS -- THIS DIAGRAM IDEA SHOWS ABOUT 170,000 FEET.

FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, THEY SAY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ON THE SITE, THIS BEGINS TO TELL YOU. THESE ARE PRIMARY ONE-STORY BUILDINGS. WE WILL ALLOW TWO STORY BUILDINGS IF WE WANT. THIS DOCUMENT IS SHOWING PRIMARILY ONE-STORY BUILDINGS.

THEN, YOU BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THINGS ARE IMPORTANT, CREATING THAT GREAT, SORT OF CENTER SPACE THAT EVERYTHING COMES OFF OF. THE FALL GREEN IS CONNECTED TO THE PARK SYSTEM.

AND THIS SORT OF COMMERCIAL LOOP IS THE HEART OF RETAIL AND DINING AND TRYING TO FRAME THE LAKE AND CREATE A GREAT FRONT DOOR THAT LOOKS OUT INTO THE STREET, AND TO DO THAT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS WE GO THROUGH IT. YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE ARROWS THE WRONG WAY ON THIS. THIS DOCUMENT BEGINS TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE GREEN SPACES ARE. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT CAN HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PROJECT WITH THE HEART BEING IN THE CENTER OF THE RETAIL. THEN, JUST TALKING ABOUT SORT OF QUALITY OF LIGHTING, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS , AND THE NOTION OF THE STREET FRAMEWORK. THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ENTRIES INTO THE PROJECT.

ONE IS TO THE NORTH, AND ONE MORE CENTRAL. HE WENT TO THE NORTH WOULD BE EITHER SIGNALIZED, OR KIND OF A ROUNDABOUT, THAT WOULD BE STUDIED DEEPLY BY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS OF WHAT TO DO, SUGGESTED OF, YOU MIGHT WANT A WRAPAROUND , I THINK THAT WILL BE A REAL POINT OF DISCUSSION WITH EVERYBODY, THE DEVELOPERS AND TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS AND WHATNOT. IF IT IS NOT A ROUNDABOUT , IT WOULD BE A SIGNALIZED EVENT. THEN, JUST SORT OF CONNECTION TO TRY TO MAKE FOUR BIKES AND WALKING, GETTING BACK IN THE TRAIL THAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF US. THE END OF THE PROJECT FROM THERE, IT IS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO THE SITE. AND WE KNOW THAT EFFORTS ARE REALLY BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY , AND I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY.

>> SO, THE CITY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH HOA ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO TO OBTAIN CERTAIN EASEMENTS AND ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO FORWARD, DESPITE CERTAIN COVENANTS THAT WOULD HAVE RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME AS A PART OF THE COMMITMENT WE MADE TO THE HOA THAT SAID WE WOULD HAVE

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RESIDENTIAL OPERATIVES. >> AND TO MAKE SURE THAT GOD COMMUNICATED TO THE FOLKS THAT WOULD SUBMIT TO BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT . THAT WAS IN THE GUIDELINES OF TALKED ABOUT IT.

THEN, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF WORK TRYING TO BEGIN TO SUGGEST WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE SHOULD BE, CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING, SORT OF FORM, SHAPE, MATERIALS. THERE IS A BUNCH OF SHEETS IN THIS TO TALK ABOUT THOSE QUALITIES. SO WHAT ARE THE PRINCIPLES FOR THAT, THE AESTHETICS ? I THINK YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETY, TEXTURE, PATTERN , SHAPE, ALL OF THIS AS A PART OF THE SUGGESTION IN THE BUILDING.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE STRIP CENTERS IN THE MARKET, A FLAT ROOF BUILDING.

WE WANT TO FEEL LIKE A VILLAGE. THIS BEGINS TO TALK ABOUT THE EXPECTATION. SO THEN, I THINK WE JUST GO DOWN, WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING PRINCIPLES, THE DETAILS, AND HOW ALL OF THAT SHOULD , TRYING TO USE IMAGERY AND ALTERNATE ULTIMATELY FIGURE OUT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE WANT. WE TALK ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE BUILDING . THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO KNOW WE ARE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT THESE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE.

THERE WILL BE A REAL BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT CAN YOU ACTUALLY AFFORD TO BUILD TODAY AND MEET THESE CRITERIA? I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A REAL CHALLENGE FOR THE DEVELOPERS. HOW CLOSE CAN I GET TO THIS, AND WHAT CAN I SAY I WANT TO DO WHEN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. SO, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT , AND YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A GREAT SORT OF VARIETY IN THE BUILDINGS. WE DON'T WANT 20 BUILDINGS THAT ALL LOOK ALIKE.

DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE A COMPETITION IN THE COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS. EVERYTHING FROM RESTAURANTS, TWO STORIES ON THE RESTAURANTS, TO THE RETAIL, QUALITY, AND EXPECTATIONS WE HAVE. AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE A REAL DIALING UP OF QUALITY OF PUBLIC SPACES. THE LANDSCAPE FALLS MOORE PARK LIKE, AND MORE URBAN LIKE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE PROJECT, REALLY BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE PROJECTS SHOULD BE AN EXPECTATION. WHAT WILL HAPPEN , THE HOPE IS, WHEN THE DEVELOPERS COME TO SUBMIT, OUR QUESTIONS WILL BE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SEE WHAT WE WANT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS IT? THIS IS JUST A PERFORM AND PLAN, A REAL DNA THAT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE TRIED TO ASK THEM TO DO . AND WE GET INTO FACIAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST FROM A SCALE STANDPOINT, MATERIAL STANDPOINT, AND THERE WILL BE, I AM SURE, VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK TO WHAT THEY THINK THEIR INTERPRETATION OF ALL OF THIS IS RELATED TO THE VIEW OF PARKLAND AND WHEN WE HAVE ASKED FOR. WE HAVE A LOT OF RENDERINGS THAT WILL BEGIN TO GIVE YOU SCALE, TEXTURE, SHAPE AND ALL OF THAT.

WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN WITH 20 FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS , WE CAN SAY, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR. RETAIL STREET, WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS, AND ALL OF THE SORT OF ATTRIBUTES WE ARE ASKING FOR TO BE A PART OF THE BUILDINGS. THOSE ARE ALL A PART OF THE GUIDELINES. WE JUST DON'T WANT TWO STONE COLUMNS AND HAVE A SIGNED BETWEEN THEM. THAT IS A KIND OF HIGH OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND TIME, THESE FULL OF DOCUMENTS OF 71 PAGES . THAT IS ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHEN WE DO DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR-- WHETHER IT IS FOR AN DEVELOPER. NORMALLY, IF WE WORK FOR A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, THIS IS DONE, WHAT IS HOLDING STANDARDS TO, AND MAYBE COMMUNICATING TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT I AM GOING TO BE TRYING TO DELIVER, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IS IN MY GUIDELINES. IN THIS CASE, THESE GUIDELINES ARE PART

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GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN PACKET , YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF VISION AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THAT DOCUMENT. I THINK IT REALLY SETS US UP WELL AS A CITY TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THE VISION AND EXPECTATIONS TO JOHN 'S TERM FOR FUTURE DEVELOPERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS. THE NEXT PIECE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OF COURSE IS THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK, THE VIP , ZONING DISTRICT . AS YOU HAVE FLIPPED THROUGH THE DRAFT THERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FORMAT MIRRORS WHAT YOU SEE IN OUR OTHER DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL FLOW , SETTING UP A PURPOSE STATEMENT, OBJECTIVES, PERMANENT USES, THE TYPES OF THINGS WE REGULATE . OF COURSE, IT WAS CUSTOM CRAFTED FOR THIS DISTRICT AND PROJECT SPECIFICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND OF COURSE, AS IT SETS THE ENVELOPE FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WORK WITHIN, AND YOU COME BACK IN WITH THE FINE DETAIL THAT JOHN JUST EXPLAINED ABOUT ALL OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE BUILDING, SITE COMPONENTS, AND THINGS. HE INTENDS WITH BOTH OF THESE DOCUMENTS IS NOT TO RESTRICT OR IN ANY WAY HINDER THE CREATIVITY THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS MAY COME UP WITH. WE POTENTIALLY WILL SEE FOUR, FIVE, SIX DIFFERENT ITERATIONS THAT ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF MEETING THE SAME EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE SET OUT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE DISTRICT . THAT IS NOT THE INTENT . IT IS NOT TO BUY FOR CREATIVITY, BUT SINCE THE EXPECTATION AND TONE ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS IS THAT, THIS BOARD AND THE CITY HAVE DONE A LOT OF GOOD AND HARD WORK OVER THE YEARS TO ADDRESS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A WHOLE . SO, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT STANDARDS, WHETHER THAT IS OUR LANDSCAPE CODE, PARKING STANDARDS, MECHANICAL SCREENING STANDARDS, ALL OF THAT STILL APPLIES TO A PROJECT THAT COMES INTO THE VIP DISTRICT , UNLESS THOSE STANDARDS ARE SPECIFICALLY MODIFIED WITHIN THE SECTION. YOU WILL SEE SOME ALTERNATE STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO LANDSCAPE AND PARKING PRESENTED, BUT IF IT IS NOT SUPERSEDED SPECIFICALLY, ALL OF THE OTHER CODED LANGUAGE THAT WE ARE USED TO REVIEWING PROJECTS AGAINST STILL APPLIES. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD BONES IN OUR CODE TO WORK FROM. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU READ THROUGH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE SLIDES HERE. JUST TO COME BACK TO THE FUTURE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE SLIDE HERE PRESENT CONCEPTUAL , A WAY THE PROJECT MIGHT MOVE FORWARD. ONE WAY THIS MIGHT MOVE FORWARD IS THAT THE DEVELOPER TAKES ON REZONING IN TERMS OF THE MAP AMENDMENT . OF COURSE, AN APPLICATION WILL BE REQUIRED THAT WILL INCLUDE A RESTRICTIVE NOTE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT AND TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT . AGAIN, AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, PLANTING AS MORE OF A COUNTING FUNCTION, BUT IT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL FIRST. THE MASTER PLAN IS REQUIRED AS PART OF REZONING TO THIS DISTRICT FOR ME SAME AS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FOR OUR PLANE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, OUR PCDS AND ALSO OUR PRDS DO REQUIRE A MASTER PLAN. I WOULD IMAGINE, CRYSTAL BOLLING , SO IT WOULD DEVELOP IT THAT'S ALSO THE DEVELOPER, THE MASTER PLAN FIRST, THAT WILL OUTLINE THE BONES, THE FRAMEWORK, AND THE PLAN WILL TALK ABOUT THE PERIMETER BUFFERING, AND THE PRIMARY STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS. AND ONCE THEY GET BACK THAT APPROVAL, MAYBE THEY WILL COME BACK WITH THE SITE PLAN AND APPLICATIONS IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATIONS. THAT IS ONE WAY THAT THE APPLICATIONS COULD COME BEFORE YOU. A BEST GUESS .

JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS IN AN ANTICIPATED ORDER THOSE WOULD COME BEFORE YOU. AND OF COURSE, OUR STANDARD APPROVAL PROCESS TO APPLY. THIS WILL GO THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH ALL THE STAFF PROVIDING COMMENTS AND IT WILL COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO MAKE THEIR COMMISSION TO APPLICATION, IT WOULD GO TO COMMISSION VIA COORDINATES OR RESOLUTION FOR READINGS VIA THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION THERE. MOVING INTO KIND OF A HANDSHAKE BETWEEN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE ZONING DISTRICT AND HOW THIS ALL APPLIES WHEN SOMEONE DOES SUBMIT AFTER WE SELECT A

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IF THERE WERE A CASE OF CONFLICT BETWEEN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ZONING DISTRICT, WE STIPULATE THE ZONING CONTROLS BETWEEN THE TWO THERE. IF THERE IS A QUESTION, THERE IS A CONFLICT , PERCEIVED CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO WE STIPULATE THE ZONING CONTROLS THERE. TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR THE ZONING GUIDELINES AND ZONING FOR DEVIATIONS , SINCE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES REALLY SET THE EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF DESIGN QUALITY AND CHARACTER AND SOME OF THAT COULD BE SUBJECTIVE . THERE IS PROCESS FOR DEVIATION THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. SAY, JOHN'S DESIGN GUIDELINES SHOW A SPECIFIC CROSSWALK PAPER AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM COMES IN AND THEY SAY, WE HAVE IS EQUALLY AS GOOD CROSSWALK PAPER, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A JUSTIFICATION STATEMENT AS AN ALTERNATIVE, AND BRIAN, BEING THE DRP, OR WHOEVER THE APPROPRIATE PARTY IS, WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION AND THE BOARD WOULD DETERMINE, OKAY, WE SET THAT. IF IT IS THE ZONING, WITH ESTABLISHED THE CRITERIA THEY HAVE TO MEET AND I THINK WE ARE CERTAINLY HOPING THERE AREN'T VARIOUS APPLICATIONS AS A PART OF THE SELECTED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

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

THAT INCLUDES THE HOURS OF OPERATION , LANGUAGE ABOUT OUTDOOR DINING, PRECLUDING DRIVE-THROUGH'S , SHOPPING CARTS , AND ALL THE THINGS THAT MIGHT COME ALONG WITH SOME OF THESE TYPES OF USES WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THINGS WE WANT TO LIMIT A LITTLE FURTHER. THAT IS THE NEXT SECTION. ONE THING TO NOTE GOING BACK TO THE PERMANENT USE LIST COME UP CURRENTLY, RESIDENTIAL USE IS NOT A PART OF THIS PUZZLE . THE REASON IS, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS , THE ENVIRONMENT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW THAT THAT IS CHANGING A LITTLE BIT , THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THE COMMISSION WANT TO EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IT IS ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY YOU COULD COME BACK AND AMEND THE PERMANENT USE LIST AND THE TRY GETTING A LITTLE BETTER IN TERMS OF CAPACITY YEAR-OVER-YEAR. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT .

CURRENTLY, ALL THE USES CONTEMPLATED ARE NONRESIDENTIAL USES . SO, THEN THE NEXT FEW SECTIONS AGAIN TO IMPLEMENT THE DESIGN GUIDELINE VISION, WE HAVE REGULATIONS SPEAKING TO BUILDING HEIGHTS, SETBACKS, BUILDING ORIENTATION, LOT COVERAGE, PERVIOUS AREA, AN OPEN SPACE . WE CROSS CHECKED THE OTHER DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CODE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CONSISTENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY , WE WERE WORKING TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN VISION THAT SO MUCH HARD WORK WENT INTO ON

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THAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR TYPICAL PARKING SIZE. IT LETS US PICK UP A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE AND PERVIOUS AREA.

LANGUAGE WE DON'T HAVE , SPECIFICALLY SETBACKS FOR LOADING ZONES IN THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT CODES AND WE DID SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT. WE ALSO REMOVED THE LIMITATIONS FOR VALET PARKING. THEY WILL STILL NEED A VALID PERMIT , AND THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS OUTLINED IN OUR CODE FOR THAT, NOT THAT WE SEE THAT OFTEN, IF EVER, FOR THAT IN PARKLAND. WE DID NOT WANT TO RESTRICT WHAT THE DEVELOPERS MAY BE ABLE TO DO IN TERMS OF VALET AND THIS TYPE OF HIGH-END ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PARKING FOR BALLET. WHATEVER THE PROPOSED MAP IN THE PROCESS, THE DESIGN AND FLOW, ALL OF THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THE VALLEY PROCESS. IF THE DEVELOPER ULTIMATELY DINGS THE PERCENTAGE LARGER THAN 25%, THE CURRENT CODE MAXIMUM IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CENTER, WE LOOKED TO THEM TO KNOW WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM OPERATIONALLY. WE ALSO DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING , IN COORDINATING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STORE LOCATIONS FOR THAT, SOME SCREENING LANGUAGE THERE. IF GOLF CART PARKING IS PERMITTED , EVENTUALLY, I KNOW THE CITY IS GOING TO A PROCESS TO LOOK AT GOLF CART REGULATIONS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR GOLF CARTS TO GET TO THE SITE, WE JUST HAVE SOME SIZE CRITERIA FOR THE GOLF CART PARKING. AGAIN, THAT IS A QUESTION MARK AS TO WHETHER GOLF CARTS WOULD BE ABLE TO LEGALLY COME TO THE SITE AT THIS POINT. I THINK THAT PROCESS IS WORKING ITSELF OUT ON A SEPARATE TRACK . LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE, WE GET TO THE END OF THE REGULATIONS HERE. GIVEN THE ADJACENCY TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, WE REDUCED THE POLE HEIGHT FOR THE LIKES USED IN THE VEHICULAR AREAS, AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN AREAS, SIMILAR TO OTHER PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, THIS WILL REQUIRE UNIFORMED SIGN PLAN.

THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE APPROVAL. THAT WOULD REGULATE EVERYTHING FROM THE GROUND SIGNS, MONUMENTAL SIGNS, WALL-MOUNTED SIGNS, THE INDIVIDUAL TENANT SIDE, ALL OF THAT STUFF. WE DO ALLOW FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THIS TYPE OF VISION. AS WILL SANDWICH SIGNS , AS WELL AS FOR MINERALS . THERE IS SOME CONFLICTING THOUGHTS ON HOW TO REGULATE MINERALS MINERALS, WHETHER THEY ARE OR AREN'T SIGNED. WE CLARIFY THE AESTHETIC THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE SIGNED CODE , AS LONG AS

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON RECORD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS WHILE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I'M JUST GOING TO READ WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE -- SORRY, I JUST WANT TO READ A SUMMARY ON THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED TO US FROM THE ORDINANCE, JUST FOR OUR BOARD AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT HERE . WE CAN ASK ANYTHING WE WANT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT STAFF AND SO ON, LIMIT IF IT IS NOT DIRECTLY PERTINENT TO WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON , YOU KNOW, GO AS LONG AS WE WANT. JUST A SUMMARY OF THE DOCUMENT, THE CITY PROPOSES THE CREATION OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT IN CORRESPONDING DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE PURPOSES OF REGULATING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK AND THE VILLAGE GIVES THE LOCATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IT TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE. IT IS A BASIC SUMMARY. WE ARE NOT APPROVING EVERYTHING TONIGHT. AGAIN, OPEN CANVAS, BUT THERE IS A LOT HERE. WITH THAT, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE GUIDELINES, GREAT JOB . JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. I THINK IT WAS THOROUGH. IT DOES REPRESENT A LOT OF WHAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IN THAT AREA. I WANTED TO SAY, GOOD JOB WITH THAT. THE ZONING REGULATIONS, I LIKE TO HEAR THAT-- I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE CURRENT CITY CODES AND ORDINANCES WOULD APPLY FOR THIS AS WELL . THAT IS GOOD. THE PERMANENT USE TABLE , WHAT IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF HERE IN THAT USE TABLE THAT COMES UP THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD , HOW WOULD THAT BE

CONSIDERED OR ALLOWED? >> THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY PROPOSED AS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LEAD DEVELOPMENT CODES THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS AN ORDINANCE. IT WOULD COME TO PNZ AND COME TO READINGS AT COMMISSION AND BE CONSISTENT WITH LAND-USE. THE LAND-USE IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL. IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WERE NONCOMMERCIAL TYPE USE , THAT WOULD BE STIPULATED THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL STEPS NECESSARY , BUT OVERALL, SHORT ANSWER IS, IT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND

TEXT AMENDMENT. >> I AM GLAD THAT IT IS BEING GIVEN SOME THOUGHT, I HAD QUESTIONS REGARDING GOLF CARTS.

I KNOW YOU SAID, IT IS BEING WORKED ON ON A SEPARATE PATH OR SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT THAT WOULD

GOVERN THE GOLF CART USAGE? >> I WILL DEFER THAT QUESTION TO ATTORNEY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER .

>> MR. JOHNSON MAY HAVE MORE ON THIS AS WELL . I KNOW IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT SEVERAL MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION, INCLUDING STRATEGIC PLANNING, ET CETERA. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME COST ISSUES MAYBE BEING LOOKED INTO, EXPLORED, AND SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. JOHNSON HAS

ANYTHING MORE TO ADD . >> THAT MICROPHONE ON?

>> TEST, TEST. JOHNSON, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH BROWARD COUNTY AT THIS TIME. AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR STREETS IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY. THEY ARE DOING SOME EVALUATION FOR US AS IT RELATES TO POTENTIAL ALLOWANCE OF GOLF CART USAGE , BUT THAT IS IN THE EARLY STAGES

IN TERMS OF THEIR EVALUATION. >> GOLF CART USAGE AS OPPOSED TO BEING ON THE STREET OR GOLF CART LANE?

>> WE WERE LOOKING AT UTILIZING THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS AS AN EXPLORATION FOR THE GOLF CART USAGE.

>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT . I AM SURE PEOPLE DO IT NOW, THEY TAKE THEIR GOLF CARTS DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND WILL TRY TO ACCESS THIS SITE. SHOULD THAT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE GUIDELINES OF USING THE SIDEWALKS TO

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>> I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION ON THAT WOULD BE FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, STILL WORKING IT OUT WITH THE COUNTY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT GOT DONE PRIOR TO THIS COMING OUT, OR

WOULD WE -- >> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

>> I'M NOT SURE I COULD ANSWER THAT ON THE TIMING, EITHER.

THERE'S A STATUE BEFORE WE COULD PERMIT GOLF CARTS ON SIDEWALKS OR PUBLIC ROADWAYS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A DETERMINATION MADE BY THE GOVERNING BODY THAT IT IS SAFE IN TERMS OF GOLF CART USAGE, AND OTHER USAGE, PEDESTRIAN USAGE AS WELL. SOMETIMES, YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A STUDY DONE, ET CETERA, TO HELP ASSIST MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

>> THANK YOU, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.

>> EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT . OBVIOUSLY , WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT RIGHT AND MY BIG FEAR IS IT NOT BEING DONE RIGHT. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT EXPERIENCE, AND PULL FROM THAT HERE, HOPEFULLY, YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS WE PULLED SOME OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THE GOLF CART THING, FOR CLARITY, IS IT A MATTER OF, WE HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE CODE LAW , OR REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THEM AND HOW THEY ARE ACCESSED ? OR IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, THERE JUST WON'T BE GOLF CART TO ALLOW AT ALL? IF IT IS THE LATTER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY BAD. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE , AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ERROL BAY ARE REALLY HELPING, INCLUDING MYSELF, TO GET IN A GOLF CART AND GO SOMEWHERE WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY, GO ALL THE WAY IN A VEHICLE TO DRIVE AROUND MILES, A COUPLE OF MORALS MILES IN A VEHICLE , TO NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE A GOLF CART . I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THERE AND I WOULD LIKE THAT EXPLORED. AS DEREK SAID, PEOPLE ARE DOING IT ANYWAY. WHEN YOU GO TO SCHOOL ZONES ME THERE ARE GOLF CARTS EVERYWHERE, ALL OVER THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS . IT IS THE KIND OF THING I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT WORK PROPERLY, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. HOPEFULLY, WE CAN GET THE RIGHT ANSWER . IT IS MORE OF AN OPINION . I DO NOT EXPECT AN ANSWER OR SOLUTION RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT IS A REALLY STRONG PIECE PEOPLE WILL REALLY WANT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I CAN'T GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT. I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS IN CONSIDERATION THAT GO INTO IT. ONE IS THE SAFETY COMPONENT, ANOTHER IS COST COMPONENT, ADDITIONALLY IF THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH EXPANDING SIDEWALKS, PUTTING IN NECESSARY SIGNAGE , ET CETERA, AND ULTIMATELY, THERE IS A POLICY DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BY THE POLICYMAKERS.

>> CHAIR, I AM VERY COMFORTABLE AS I GO THROUGH ITEMS THAT IT IS SOMETHING WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT AT SOME OTHER TIME . I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE'S TIME, BECAUSE I HAVE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS. JUST RECOGNIZING THE PRESENTATION FOR CLARITY FOR ANYONE LOOKING , THE SLIDES WE SAW TODAY IS CLEARLY AN ABBREVIATED VERSION OF THE SLIDE DECK IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA . RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT

OF SLIDES. >> THAT IS CORRECT . AS JOHN POINTED OUT, THE ENTIRETY OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINE BOOK ITSELF IS ALMOST 80 PAGES, AND THE SOCK SLIDESHOW--

>> I AM JUST MENTIONING, BECAUSE WHEN I REFER TO THE NUMBER IT IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT, FOR CLARITY. IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE 13 FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED , THAT WAS I THINK THE FLOW , ALL KINDS OF FLOW, TRAFFIC .

>> WHEN YOU ARE REFERENCING SLIDE NUMBERS , ARE YOU REFERENCING THE GRAY CIRCLE ON THE BOTTOM? OKAY. ONE SECOND .

>> AS YOU ARE PULLING IT UP, BEAR WITH ME , I MAY NOT BE UNDERSTANDING THE FLOW OF THE VEHICLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND . ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL IT UP?

>> SORRY, SELFISHLY PULLING IT UP ON MY SCREEN.

>> AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THE TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF HILL ARE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER AND DO NOT CONNECT? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T GET IN AN INSURANCE TO DRIVE AROUND THE ENTIRE VILLAGE? YOU CAN . SO I

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MISUNDERSTAND. >> GOT TO USE YOUR MICROPHONE.

>> MY MICROPHONE WAS AWAY FROM ME . NO, YOU CAN NAVIGATE THE ENTIRE PROJECT COMING IN THROUGH EITHER INJURY, FOR SURE . THERE IS AN INTERNAL LOOP THAT TAKES YOU AROUND THE WHOLE INTERNAL PROJECT AND YOU CAN COME IN FROM THE NORTH , AND NAVIGATE THE ENTIRE PROJECT, AND ALSO GET OUT TO THE PARKING AREA ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE, FOR SURE.

>> GREAT . THANK YOU. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE , I STILL THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF SOLUTION FOR EASIER, OR SOME KIND OF ACCESS FROM THE HOTEL AREA SITE . IT WILL HAPPEN ANYWAY, PEOPLE WILL WALK THROUGH WITH GOLF CARTS , BIKES, WHATEVER. I JUST THINK TRAFFIC FLOW PURPOSES , IT WILL MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF VEHICLE ENTRY ACCESS CONTROL, SOMETHING. I JUST DON'T THINK THESE TWO ENTRANCES TO DO IT, I DON'T THINK IT WILL FLOW WELL, THAT IS MY OPINION . WITH THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE , I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES THAT WILL BE A PART OF THIS, BUT ON HERON BAY BOULEVARD , BEER OFF TO THE RIGHT AND GO TO THE EIGHT AND HALF ACRE HOTEL SITE, I STILL THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE PARKING, WALKING OVER . I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF EXPLORATION OF WHATEVER THE SOLUTION BE, WHETHER IT IS A DEDICATED LANE GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE HOTEL AREA, OFF OF HILL , OR A DEDICATED LANE GOING STRAIGHT TO HERON BAY TO HELP THE TWO TRAFFIC THINGS , IT IS ALREADY SOMETIMES A NIGHTMARE WITH PEOPLE WAITING AT THE GATE , TRYING TO GET IN THE GATE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEAK HOURS, WHEN YOU LEAVE A SOCCER GAME, OR FLAG FOOTBALL , THERE IS LINES TO BEGIN WITH . THIS WILL JUST ADD , AND I'M BRINGING IT UP AGAIN , I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT. THERE IS A LOT OF LAND IN THAT MEDIAN THAT COULD BE-- AND I KNOW IT IS NOT THE CITY'S . I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. WE HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK BETTER. THE VERY NEXT SLIDE I THINK HAS THE OFFERS . I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE BUFFERS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE AND MORE BUFFERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. THERE IS A LOT OF EAST BUFFER , WHICH I UNDERSTAND ISHILL , BUT THERE ARE NO RESIDENCES ON HILL, OR LESS , AND I JUST THINK THE WEST, NORTH , I THINK THERE IS MORE -- WHATEVER THE DIRECTION IS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS FOR THE RESIDENCE

THERE. >> JUST A NOTE ON THAT I THINK THE GRAPHIC IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPTH OR THE SIZE OF THE OFFERS . I THINK IT IS SHOWING THE GENERAL

AREAS . >> 700 FEET OF WHATEVER THE

AREA IS. >> WE DO HAVE IN THE LANDSCAPE CODE , MINIMUM DEPTH AND DESIGN CODE REQUIREMENTS . IF YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GRAPHIC, IT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF THE DEPTH

OR SIZE. >> THAT IS FINE.

>> I THINK TO UNDERSTAND IT IS ON THE WEST . THAT IS JUST SHOWING ON OUR PROPERTY AND THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE WITH THAT FENCE IS ON OUR PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND WATER, AND WHATNOT . THERE IS OPPORTUNITY , AND I DON'T THINK WE CONTROL THAT. THERE IS A LOT OF LAND AREA TO TRY TO DEVELOP SORT OF A PRETTY SERIOUS BUFFERING .

>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IN THE AGENDA PACKET, IT SHOWS -- AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT IS JUST REPRESENTATION . I DO LIKE TO ENSURE WE DO NOT CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LAY ON BENCHES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE AREA IS CLOSED AT NIGHT. I KNOW MANY BENCHES HAVE THOSE HOPES IN THE MIDDLE . HOPEFULLY, THERE IS CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. WHEN THE OPERATING HOURS ARE CLOSED, CAN VEHICLES JUST DRIVE IN AND OUT? LIKE WHEN A PART OF THIS GAIT, IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> AT THIS POINT, THERE WILL NOT BE VEHICLE ACCESS GAVE , I THINK WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH BSO , BUT IF IT WERE WARRANTED OR FUTURE DEVELOPERS FELT THEY ABSOLUTELY

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THE SITE PLAN LEVEL. >> MY CONCERN IS PEOPLE JUST DRIVE THROUGH ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, LIKE A PART, AND THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH IN IT THERE.

>> A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD STIPULATE SECURITY REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT IS HAVING A BSO DETAIL OR THEIR OWN PRIVATE SECURITY ON SITE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.

>> THE PERMANENT USE TABLE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS , BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS I AM JUST CURIOUS IF IT IS REALLY NECESSARY TO LINE ITEM ALL OF THESE ITEMS OUT, AS OPPOSED TO AN OVERARCHING GAIT. YOU HAVE A CODE THAT DOES NOT FIT IN THAT CODE, IT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. LIKE DEREK SAID, THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT ARE MISSED, OBVIOUSLY SOME MIGHT COME BACK TO A GROUP PUB, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A MASSAGE THERAPIST OR ESTABLISHMENT IS , I HAVEN'T READ THE SECTION. I AM ASSUMING A GENTLEMAN THERAPY KIND OF MASSAGE PLACE , BUT WHEN I WENT BACK AND READ THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ARE ACHIEVING , VILLAGE IN THE PARK, ENTERTAINMENT AND A GATHERING PLACE, THERE ARE ITEMS IN HERE THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT REMINDS ME OF A BREWPUB , WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIT THINGS IN BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING . I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL DIRECTION OTHER THAN, IT SEEMS WEIRD THERE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS LISTED AND SOME OF THEM DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME .

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

A LOT OF THESE USAGES CAME STRAIGHT FROM OUR B 1, 2, AND 3, AND WE STRUCK WAS THAT WE FELT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT AND DID GO BACK IN WHERE WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE GAPS WITH THE DEFINITIONS PROVIDED FOR EXISTING USAGES .

LIKE I SAID, THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS FOR AMUSEMENT, ENTERPRISES INDOOR, OUTDOOR, THAT COVERS A LOT OF WHAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES. WE HAD OUR RESTAURANT USES, GENERAL RETAIL , AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE GENERAL ENOUGH AND DEFINED GENERALLY ENOUGH TO COVER WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING TO FIND TENANT BASE TO BE.

>> THE LAST ITEM I HAD, I THINK OF A PROMENADE . BEFORE I LIVED HERE, I LIVED IN COCONUT CREEK FOR MANY YEARS . BEING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THERE, THEY ALREADY HAD THE PROMENADE IN PLACE WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD . AS THEY WERE ADDING DIFFERENT THINGS, NOW YOU HAVE CHEESECAKE FACTORY THERE. EVEN AT THAT TIME, PARKING IS JUST A NIGHTMARE IN CERTAIN SPOTS . AND THE FLOW DOES NOT REALLY FLOW VERY WELL ALL THE TIME . OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A GARAGE THERE. THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD ANOTHER FLOOR. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO AT THIS POINT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER . I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT BEST CASE SCENARIOS , LOOKED AT THE MISTAKES, OR NOT AS GOOD THINGS THEY COULD HAVE DONE AT PROMENADE, AND WE HAVE THIS AND PARKING IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY TO ENCOURAGE ACCESS ALL OVER THE PLACE BY PEDESTRIANS, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HAPPENS FOR ME WHEN I GO TO PROMENADE , AND I HAVE A PARTICULAR PLACE VIA PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE PLACE AND I AM NOT WALKING THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE PARKING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER OF THE STORES, IS IT BETTER TO PARK ON THE INSIDE? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I'M HOPING WE HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS WE ARE CREATING A

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>> WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION CONCERNS . THANK YOU FOR THAT CONVERSATION . OF COURSE, THE FINAL PLAN WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SHAPE AND FORM, MOST LIKELY. THE EXACT CIRCULATION AND SIZE OF PARKING LOT LOCATION WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT , BUT THE GENERAL CONCEPT WILL BE TO HAVE THE TWO ACCESS DRIVEWAYS CONNECTING TO HILL THAT BRING YOU IN TO THE MAIN CIRCULATION LOOP THAT WRAPS THE CENTRAL LAWN , AND KIND OF TERTIARY, AND SECONDARY I GUESS I SHOULD SAY SECONDARY AND TERTIARY CIRCULATION ACCESS LOOP SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. THE IDEA THERE, AND JOHN CAN SPEAK TO MORE , PRESERVE THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FIELD WITHIN THE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE . WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH TOO MANY CARS THROUGH THAT CENTRAL LOOP THAT IS IN YELLOW . SO, WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT WANT LARGE SURFACE PARKING LOTS AND FIELDS THERE TO KEEP THAT SCALE AND THE FEELING OF A TRUE VILLAGE THERE. I WILL LET JOHN WEIGH IN ON MAYBE SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON THE OVERALL CIRCUATION. ONE LAST THING , AS WE NOTED IN THE VIP DISTRICT , IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN THAT CENTRAL LOOP, SHOULD WE HAVE A MARKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE DESIGN REALLY HAD PEDESTRIANS INVITE IN MIND FIRST. HONESTLY THE CIRCULATION THE NUMBERS COMING TO THE SITE, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IT NEEDS TO BE FUNCTIONAL. WE DID TRY TO MAKE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND VIP ZONING DISTRICT,

PRIORITIZED THE PEDESTRIAN. >> I THINK THE ONE THING WE SHOWED, I THINK WE ARE OVER PARKED NOW , THERE IS AN ISSUE ABOUT HOW MUCH CAN YOU REALLY GET ON THE SITE AND STILL PARK, AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A GARAGE? IT COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT ON THIS SITE TO DO THAT . AGAIN, THERE WILL BE SOME MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THE DEVELOPERS, BUT THIS TOLD US WE COULD ACCOMMODATE RETAILS . I THINK THE BIG DEAL IS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH THAT WE COULD HAVE A REAL THING THERE AND THE DEVELOPER , THESE GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THIS KIND OF INTENSITY I THINK WE

WILL NEED TO MAKE IT VIABLE. >> JUST TO CONTINUE , THERE IS NO PARKING GARAGE , PARKING GARAGE IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE VIP, I WILL CALL IT THE VIP, PARKING GARAGES ARE NOT PERMITTED, OR IS THAT OF TO THE DESIGN AT A LATER TIME?

>> CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT CONTEMPLATE A PARKING GARAGE.

THE REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN THAT THEY WOULD PRECLUDE A GARAGE. I THINK THAT IS MORE OF A COST FACTOR FOR THE DEVELOPER . IT IS PROBABLY NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO BUILD A STRUCTURE, GIVEN THE COST PER SPACE, BUT BEING SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENCIES .

>> IN A PREVIOUS LIFE, I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF COCONUT CREEK AS A POLICE OFFICER AND I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE DRC PLANS FOR THAT PROMENADE . THE LOGJAM THEY HAD WAS ALMOST BY DESIGN . THEY WANTED TO GET THE CART ON THE STREET, THEY WANTED TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN AND HAVE PARALLEL PARKING . IT DID TURN INTO A NIGHTMARE. AND MANY TIMES MY FAMILY HAS SAID TO ME, LET'S GO TO THE PROMENADE, AND MY FIRST REACTION, PARKING IS A NIGHT THERE. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL HAVE THE ANTI-NIGHTMARE CLAUSE . AND I KNOW THAT IS ON THE RADAR RELATING TO THE PARKING.

ON A FEW OTHER ITEMS , AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT , DELIVERIES TO THE ZONE , SHOULD WE PROVIDE TEXT IN THE GUIDELINES RELATING TO THE DELIVERIES , OR IS THAT COVERED IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE CODE? A LOT OF MY COMMENTS MIGHT GO TO THAT ANSWER ON WHETHER OR NOT IT IS

APPROPRIATE FOR THIS OR NOT. >> WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION, THE SIZE, THE SCREENING FOR THE PHYSICAL BUILDING SPACES. TO WHERE I THINK YOU ARE GOING IS, THE TIME AND DAYS, THE NUMBER, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT. >> OKAY. I HAD THIS SIMILAR

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>> AND THAT IS SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE SHOULD COVER IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER LOCATIONS. I HAVE THE DEDICATED AND UPFRONT SPACES AS A PART OF HIS ABILITY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW , THERE IS SECURITY IN LAW

ENFORCEMENT. >> AND ON A LAW-ENFORCEMENT NOTE AGAIN, THIS IS, THE INTENSITY OF IT , IT HAS A LOT OF USERS . USERS THAT ARE ENJOYING , THEY ARE USING ALCOHOL, THERE IS FAMILIES . AT SOME POINT, OUR DEPUTIES, OUR SERIFS DEPARTMENT MIGHT BELIEVE A SPECIAL DETAIL WOULD BE NICE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. I LIKE TO SAY, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS LIFE WE HAD A PROVISION AT OUR PROMENADE THAT IN THE DISCRETION OF THE DISTRICT CHIEF, IF A SPECIAL DETAIL IS NEEDED, THAT THE LANDLORD, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BEAR THE COST OF HAVING A SPECIAL DETAIL THAT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DISTRICT CHIEF . AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER TYPE THING, OR IT GOES INTO THE GUIDELINES, I AM NOT SURE , BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE

CONTEMPLATED AS WELL. >> YES, CERTAINLY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PROCESS, AND I THINK WE ARE CONTEMPLATING IS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDING PROVISION FOR SPACE TO HAVE, MAYBE BIKES, TV OR SOME SPACE TO DO PAPERWORK, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING THEIR NEEDS AND WHAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT . I THINK THE FOUNDATION OF THESE GUIDELINES COULD CERTAINLY BE USED IF THERE WAS ANOTHER VILLAGE IN THE PARK AT SOME OTHER LOCATION IN THE CITY, MAYBE AT SOME POINT . THE HENDRICKS PROPERTY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THIS IS INCREDIBLE . I AM EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS. THIS WAS INCREDIBLE . IT DEFINED THINGS, BUT ALSO PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR A FANTASTIC DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND DESIGN SOMETHING THAT JUST BLOWS OUR SOCKS OFF . AND I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF EVERYBODY. I HAVE NO FURTHER

QUESTIONS. >> TAKE YOU, ANTHONY. JOEL, YOU

ARE UP, SIR. >>, MR. CHAIRMAN. TO ECHO MY ASSOCIATE ON THE DAIS, THIS IS WONDERFUL. I AM VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH A LARGE MAJORITY OF THIS. I THINK TO BUILD ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SAFETY THROUGH DESIGN WILL BE PARAMOUNT . THE BROWARD SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL HAVE A LOOK AT THESE PLANS . LIMITED CORNERS, DARK AREAS, THINGS

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>> THEY REALLY DO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKE . AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT. ESPECIALLY AS LONG AS HAVING DSO HAS AN AREA. NEXT STEPS, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS HERE I WANT TO GET THROUGH. MY COMMENTS FIRST START AT THE PERMITTED USES . I WOULDN'T CALL LIKE FOR SOME OF THESE USES IN QUESTION, UNAPPROPRIATE, I WOULD JUST SAY, THEY ARE UNDESIRED . I WOULD SAY THAT, IF WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THEM IN, DENTAL CLINIC, MEDICAL OFFICE, AND PHARMACY, SHOULD ALL BE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. PUSHING THOSE IN LEADS YOU DOWN THE PATH TO A PUBLIC SUPERMARKET, UNLESS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGH END PLASTIC SURGERY, OR SURGERY CENTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN AMBULATORY AMBULANCE REQUIREMENT . IN LOOKING AT WHAT IS IN THESE 80 PAGES AND HOW WONDERFUL IT IS, AND THE COUNTRY ELEGANCE OF IT, I JUST DON'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, PHARMACY , OR CLINICS. BUT THAT IS JUST ME . AND I AM ALSO COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT DOCTORS OFFICES PAY A LOT OF RED , AND THIS DEVELOPER WILL BE LOOKING FOR RENT . THAT IS WHAT WILL BE THE FIRST . MAXIMIZE MY RETURN ON INVESTMENT . SO, THERE IS A DELICATE BALANCE ON . YOU DO NEED TO LEAVE THEM IN, LEAVE THEM IN SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO BE DISCUSSED. PENDING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS UP, DESIRE TO HAVE RESTAURANT, REAL HIGH QUALITY . THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS IS TOUGH. THEY WILL WANT VALET, BUT POSSIBLY HAVE A GENERAL VALET. HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? I KNOW PEOPLE WILL WANT TO DRIVE FAR FROM THE SIDE , LIKE I AM, AND HAVE TO DRIVE IN AND SEE HOW THIS IS ALL VALET. THIS IS ALL VALET, AND IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY THE USED. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS THERE, HONESTLY, KATELYN, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO LIMIT IT WITH THE SITE PLAN SHOWS.

>> OUR CURRENT CODE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 25% , JUST AS A REFERENCE POINT , NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING .

SO IF WE ARE OVER PART, IT WOULD NOT BE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN, YOU COULD DO A ONE LEVEL GARAGE, KEEP IT SIMPLE , AND I WOULD TELL EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF BULLET BUILDINGS ON HILLSBOROUGH BOULEVARD, EAST OF 95 . IT IS ACTUALLY AN OLDER BUILDING, BUT FAIRLY ELEGANT THE WAY THEY DID IT. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT OFF THE ROAD.

GETTING INTO THE GUIDELINES, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS SHOWED, BLACKED OUT WITH THE NUMBER PAGE 40, I THINK THAT IS GREAT.

I THINK THOSE KIND OF BUILDINGS ARE WHAT YOU NEED . IT SAYS, CALIBER FOR THE USE . I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TWO GET IT. YEAH, HE DID NOT PUT IT ON . I THINK THAT IS GREAT, THAT SHOWS ME COUNTRY ELEGANCE, I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. AND REMEMBER, THE CONSTRUCTION CALLS FOR THIS WILL BE HIGH.

THIS IS LANDLOCKED TO THE EAST, LANDLOCKED TO THE WEST, LANDLOCKED TO THE NORTH, AND WITH LIMITED CUSTOMERS, SO WE WILL BE PULLING FROM THE SOUTH, PULLING FROM THE EAST. I WOULD ASK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU HAVE SEEN IN IT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT? HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN YOUR MINDSET ABOUT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN?

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>> I WILL SAY THIS MUCH, THEY ARE CONTEMPLATING AN ADDITIONAL LANE ON HILL, NORTH OF SAWGRASS, WHICH TERMINATES JUST SOUTH OF HERON BAY BOULEVARD. I WOULD NOT THINK IT IS A HAMSTRING , IT IS ACTUALLY HELP. WE ARE CONTEMPLATING A ROUNDABOUT, DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC FLOW. POSSIBLY, THOSE THREE LANES ARE EXTENDED BEYOND HERON BAY BOULEVARD, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A HELP, NOT A HINDRANCE.

>> IF I COULD JUST ASK, I AM SO SURE THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAWGRASS WIDENING UNLESS I AM NUTS, THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING, THAT PROJECT WOULD WIDEN HILL UP TO HERON BAY BOULEVARD , AND FROM THERE WE WOULD REQUEST OR REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE WIDENING NORTH. THING THAT I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT I JUST SAID. THAT IS LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT I

JUST SAID. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.

LAUGHTER ] >> MY NEXT IS SIGNAGE . A LOT OF DEVELOPERS NOW . A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS OPEN AREA, LIKE WE SEE, AND THE DESIRE IS TO PUT A SCREEN OF SOME SORT FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER, WATCH A GAME, CONGREGATE IN ONE AREA, AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY WILL WANT TO USE THAT SIGN AS ART . IT IS A MECHANISM TO AVOID PAIN . THE ART THING , A LOT OF DISABILITIES HAVE ART FEES. VERY SUBSTANTIAL . I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE HERE. THERE IS A LOTS OF NICE, PUBLIC ART THAT COULD BE PLACED IN PUBLIC AREAS . I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD COME FROM A DIGITAL SIDE. THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR SEE THE COMMISSION --

>> JUST TO CLARIFY ON YOUR COMMENT, ARE YOU LOOKING TO PRECLUDE THE USE OF DIGITAL SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CENTER, OR SPECIFICALLY USING DIGITAL SCREENS FOR ART PURPOSES?

>> FOR ART PURPOSES . YEAH, NOT ALLOWING DIGITAL SCREENS TO SERVICE THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT, WHICH I AM SURE WE

WILL HAVE. >> THOSE HAVE BEEN A PART OF CERTAIN THINGS LATELY, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. I REALLY DO, I THINK SOME OF THIS LOOK IS FANTASTIC. I WISH I COULD BEAT MEET THE DEVELOPER THAT DOES IT.

>> YOU CAN BE. I REALLY DO, I THREW THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU ALL. >> ISN'T THAT AGAINST THE

RULES? >> THIS IS A BASE, THIS IS WHERE WE START. THINGS CAN GET FOLDED IN. I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT TRUCK ACCESS. THE PEPSI TRUCK, THE COKE TRUCK, THE DORITOS TRUCK WILL SHOW UP WHEN THEY SHOW UP, 20 MINUTES LATE OUTSIDE THE DELIVERY HOUR BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT, UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THAT. THEY THEN HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET WHERE THEY ARE TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING, POSSIBLY IN THE RAIN . ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH THE SITE PLAN COMES. THANK YOU, ALL.

>> THANK YOU. ALEX PIERCE >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION FROM YOU BOTH. GREAT STUFF HERE. MY CONCERN IS A LOT OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE IN THIS. AND I FEEL LIKE , WHY ARE WE HERE DOING THIS , TRYING TO APPROVE SOMETHING AT THIS TIME ? WE SAW THIS SITE PLAN BACK IN FEBRUARY. THIS ALMOST THIS EXACT SAME THING. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE FEBRUARY . WE JUST NOW MEET A NEW PERSON, JOHN HERE, GREAT GUY, GREAT PRESENTATION. WE HAVE 505 DESIGN, NOW, WE HAVE COOPER CARRY HERE. OKAY, SO, SAME GUY, GOOD STUFF .

>> HE WAS YOUNGER LOOKING BACK THEN .

>> GOOD JOB. WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THEM FOR WHAT VALUE ADD? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A DEVELOPER HERE AND

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>> JUST TO CLARIFY, IT CAN'T JUST CHANGE. IT WOULD TAKE AN ACT OF AN ORDINANCE AND TWO READINGS WITH COMMISSION, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE CODE COULD THEORETICALLY CHANGE AT ANY POINT. IT JUST REQUIRES A TEXT AMENDMENT TO COME THROUGH. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO CREATE A BACKBONE AND VISION FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPER TO COME THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS TO KNOW, THIS IS OUR EXPECTATION, THIS IS OUR VISION , HERE IS WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING OF YOU, AND HERE IS THE MINIMUM YOU NEED TO MEET WHEN YOU COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

OTHERWISE, WITHOUT THIS TYPE OF GUIDANCE, YOU WILL GET THINGS FROM LEFT FIELD, AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING COMPLETELY NON-PARKLAND LIKE, AND IT COULD BE A DOWNTOWN MIAMI TYPE OF THING. WE NEED THE COMBINATION OF THAT ZONING DISTRICT, PLUS THE DESIGN GUIDELINE, THE VISION, THE FRAMEWORK , AND BACKBONE TO SAY, YES, YOU ARE MEETING OUR EXPECTATIONS, NO YOU ARE NOT, AND THOSE WILL BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, INTEGRATED INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AT IT WILL BE DISTRICT, WE ADOPT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES BY REFERENCE . SO, THOSE ARE A REQUIREMENT FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPER TO MEET. THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE CHANGE THAT WE WERE EXPRESSING ARE JUST THE SAME AS ANY OTHER PORTION OF THE CODE COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE, JUST EXPRESSING , THERE IS A MECHANISM IF IT NEEDED TO CHANGE, NOT THAT IT WAS SUPER EASY TO CHANGE OR WE ANTICIPATE CHANGING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

>> WHY ARE WE FORMALLY CREATING A ZONING DISTRICT , THEN? WHY IS THIS JUST NOT GOING OUT IN RFP SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT , LET'S GO FIND OUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK HERE? RIGHT? WHERE IS THE REAL PERFORM, WHERE IS THE REAL DOLLARS GOING TO HIT THE ROAD? WE DID NOT DO THIS FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE TOLL BROTHERS GROUP HERE THEY CAME IN AND REZONED AFTERWARDS . WE DID NOT GIVE ADVICE.

>> OUR CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS DON'T CONTEMPLATE AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS. OUR TRADITIONAL B 1, 2, 3 DO NOT HAVE THE REGULATIONS THAT SET THE TONE AND VISION FOR THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT . THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING JOHN'S TEAM IN AND SET THE CHARACTER, QUALITY, ALL THESE THINGS OUTLINED IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND SEPARATED BY THE

FRAMEWORK. >> SO WHAT ABOUT FEBRUARY?

>> THE VISION IS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK IN THE 80 PAGES THAT HAVE WORKED THROUGH IN THE PROCESS WITH STAFF AND MAKE SURE THE SPECIFIC TEXT IN THOSE 80 PAGES AND FRAMEWORK--

>> YOU HAVE DONE TWO THINGS OVER THE LAST YEAR AND HALF OR TWO YEARS , AND IT IS GOING TO BE IMMENSELY HELPFUL TO ATTRACT THE RIGHT DEVELOPER. IF THEY LOOK AT THIS AND THEY GO, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THEY KNOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT. THERE WAS A LOTS OF YOU WILL ABOUT WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE. SO, WHEN THE CITY CAME IN AND THE COMMUNITY SAID, WE NEED TO BRING SOMEBODY IN TO HELP BUILD CONSENSUS AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO HOPEFULLY CREATE SOMETHING AND EVERYBODY GOES, YEAH, WE WANT THIS AS A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANT THIS, THAT IS A BIG DEAL. THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE DONE FROM THE ZONING AND CODIFICATION OF THAT IS NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN THE BEGINNING . THEY KNOW THAT IF I CAN GO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES AND I CAN GET VERY CLOSE TO WHAT IS BEING SUBMITTED, I WILL CUT YOURSELF WHAT IT TAKES FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND I MENTIONED, WE WENT OUT AND TALKED TO DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE.

WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS PROJECT AND SHARE SOME OF THIS WITH THEM TO GET INPUT AS WE WERE DOING IT. SINCE FEBRUARY TO NOW, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK PUTTING TOGETHER ALL OF THIS STUFF SO THEY SAY, WHAT CAN I REALLY DO AND NOT DO? AND I THINK WHEN WE KEEP SAYING , IT COULD CHANGE, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY, WE WILL BUILD THOSE EXACT 17 BUILDINGS WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT. THAT IS THE COMMUNICATION THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE SAID. WE DID NOT MENTION THIS, THERE WERE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ONE WAY OR TWO WAYS. SO THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. IT WILL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT IT ONE WAY,

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THERE IS A LOT ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD THAT TELLS THEM WHETHER THEY HAVE A PROJECT OR NOT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS, I AM NOT GOING TO GET APPROVED. IF THEY STAY TRUE TO THE VISION AS TRUE AS THEY CAN WHERE WE ARE, THEY WILL FLY THROUGH TO THE

PROCESS. >> I THINK THE IMPORTANT PIECE IS, IT PUTS THE CITY IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. BEING ON THE FRONT END, WE WERE ABLE TO SET THE VISION AND EXPECTATION AS OPPOSED TO WAITING BACK, LETTING DEVELOPERS BRING PLANS TO THE CITY THAT COULD BE COMING FROM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXPERIENCES, AND THINGS THAT DON'T FIT THE PARKLAND EXPECTATION. THIS PUTS US IN A BETTER DRIVER SEAT POSITION AND LETS US BE MORE PROACTIVE .

>> OR IT COULD BE USED AGAINST US AS WELL. LET'S NOT FORGET, WE PUT SOMETHING IN HERE, A POOL HALL, AND MAYBE WE DON'T WANT THAT LATER . I AGREE , WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. DON'T FORGET, THESE DEVELOPERS ARE SMART AS WELL AND WHAT COULD THIS BE USED AGAINST US FOR IN THE FUTURE AS WELL ? WE APPROVE THIS, PUT THIS OUT HERE, WHAT WILL THIS LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GOING VERY FAR FOR A P 3 STYLE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ACTUALLY PUTTING OUT ON THE STREET, LET'S PUT OUT WHAT 505 DID IN FEBRUARY OUT ON THE STREET AND SEE WHAT WE GET BACK AND LET'S TALK TO DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO START DEVELOPING. THEY KNOW COUNTRY ELEGANT . THEY HAVE SEEN OUR CODE, THEY KNOW WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE. THESE PHOTOS ARE GREAT, THEY FIT OUR PARKLAND STANDARDS. TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE GONE REALLY FAR DOWN THIS LINE AND ANYTHING WE PUT IN WRITING CAN AND USE WILL BE USED AGAINST US. LET'S BE CAREFUL . WHY DO WE HAVE TO PROVE THIS? IS THIS GOING TO HELP US ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE ? HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET ONE OR TWO MORE DEVELOPERS COME IN BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS DONE, APPROVED TONIGHT? I JUST DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF US APPROVING THIS TO LIGHT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. I WANT TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD . I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU DID HERE, DO NOT GET ME WRONG WITH THIS, I AM WORRIED ABOUT HOW THIS COULD BE USED AGAINST US IN THE FUTURE.

WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING, DON'T WORRY, LITTLE TWEAKS AND CHANGES . SHOULD WE REALLY BE GOING LINE BY LINE SAYING, THIS ONE, ARE WE APPROVING THIS, THIS ONE, ARE WE APPROVING THAT WHEN WE SAY, DON'T WORRY, IT IS GOING TO BE

OKAY LATER, ALL RIGHT. >> ALEX , YOU DON'T THINK THIS PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE A SPECIAL DESIGNATION?

>> I AGREE. >> IT SHOULD HAVE A SPECIAL DESIGNATION, I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT.

>> I DEFINITELY THINK IT SHOULD HAVE IT, BUT ARE WE READY TO DO IT TONIGHT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHO OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNER S ? WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE ?

WE PUT OURSELVES OUT THERE. >> JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, WE ARE NOT APPROVING, OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TONIGHT, BUT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPER TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TOO . JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

>> ALEX, ANYTHING ELSE? >> I AM ONE OF THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF THE BOARD . UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE ON PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHICH MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. MY INITIAL REACTION WAS THE PRESENTATION WAS GOING ON, WHICH BY THE WAY WAS FABULOUS, YOU COULD LITERALLY SEE FROM BOTH OF YOU THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN. MY FIRST COMMENT ON MY PAGE WAS, WHO CREATED THE VISION ? AND I THINK THAT MAY HAVE PASSED ME

BY . I MISSED THAT STAGE. >> THE VISION WAS A RESULT OF WELL OVER A DOZEN DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH BOTH THE COMMISSION , THIS BOARD, PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENTS, DON'S TEAM, 505 NOW, THEY LET THE EFFORT IN TERMS OF BRINGING THEIR EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE . THEY DEVELOPMENTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I WILL LET JOHN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE HISTORY ON HOW THEY CAME TO THIS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN YEARS OF OUTREACH AND COORDINATION WITH THE PUBLIC, THE CITY , AND STAFF.

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>> SOME OF MY COMMENTS HERE, I THINK I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE

PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, IT WAS NOT THE CITY'S RFP PROCESS. IT WAS A PRIOR OWNER.

>> IT HAD GONE AWRY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING . IT IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE THERE, SO TO SPEAK. I GUESS , BECAUSE THE VISION HAS ALREADY BEEN CREATED , SOME OF MY COMMENTS THAT ARE NO LONGER GOING TO I GUESS WARRANT ANY MERIT . ONE THING THAT DID STRIKE ME ABOUT THE FEEL OR DESIGN OF THIS , IMMEDIATELY, WHEN I SAW THE PICTURES, AND I AM LOOKING AT THE STONE , AND I AM LOOKING AT THE WOOD , LITERALLY I WROTE DOWN, ARE WE IN TENNESSEE, ARE WE IN NORTH CAROLINA? ARE WE IN LIONS HEAD OR FAIL VILLAGE? 3K PLACES I HAVE ACTUALLY VISITED . AGAIN, I AM JUST EXPRESSING MY PERSONAL VIEWS . AS MUCH AS I LOVE THOSE PLACES, AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, I HAVE STONE OUTSIDE OF MY OWN PERSONAL HOME , I THINK IT SHOULD NOT BE LOST ON ANY OF US THAT WE STILL LIVE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. PUTTING SOME FOXY TAYLOR POLLOCK FOX TAIL POLLENS IN SOME OF THESE INSTALLATIONS I DON'T BECAUSE GOING TO CUT IT. I JUST DON'T.

NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FORCES IN SOME OF OUR ROUNDABOUTS, AND I AM SITTING IN A ROOM WITH RAFTERS, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT, I THINK THAT SHOULDN'T BE LOST HERE. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID THAT THIS IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND WE DO ATTRACT PEOPLE FOR THAT REASON. WE VACATION IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THESE PLACES, BUT THIS IS OUR HOME. AT LEAST WHAT I SAW HERE WAS A LITTLE LOST HERE, FRANKLY. I ALSO THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT , HAVING FREQUENTED MANY OF THESE TYPES OF PLACES, AND ACTUALLY BEING THE ONLY WOMAN ON THE PANEL HERE, IT IS GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE WHAT THIS IS ISN'T JUST COUNTRY ELEGANT, BUT THAT IT IS UPSCALE IS THE WORD I WOULD USE. AND I'D PROBABLY ALSO USE THE WORD EXCLUSIVE. BECAUSE THIS IS PARTLY , AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO ATTRACT A CERTAIN TYPE OF TENANT. I DO FREQUENT THE PROMENADE, I GO TO THE MOVIES THERE, I GO TO AT LEAST ONE RESTAURANT THERE, BUT I HAVE TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES I DON'T GO THERE. I THINK IT COMPLETELY MISSED THE MARK.

PERHAPS IT WAS THE FITTING OF THE AREA AND WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY BE VERY CAREFUL HERE AS TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AT THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY , AND OUR RESIDENTS, AND WHAT PARKLAND HAS BECOME , AND THE VALUE AND THE PROPERTY VALUES HERE AND MAINTAINING THOSE PROPERTY VALUES I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT . AND WHEN YOU ARE BREAKING IN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT , WHICH WE CAN CALL IT THE VILLAGE IN THE PARK, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOCUSING ON THAT LEVEL AND WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPECT. I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET ACROSS. SOMETHING I DID SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH REALLY WASN'T ADDRESSED, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FABULOUS, IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING HERE IN THE CITY , REALLY NOWHERE TO BE FOUND, OUR ART INSTALLATIONS. THE SCULPTURES , I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE PUBLIC ART. IT IS NOWHERE IN OUR CITY I CAN PICK UP. CAN ANYONE THINK OF ANY PLACE WHERE THERE ARE ART INSTALLATIONS ANYWHERE IN OUR CITY? THE ROUNDABOUTS, OUR HORSES. I'M GOING TO SAY, THAT DOESN'T CUT IT. RIGHT, THAT IS TRUE, BUT WE HAVE SOME LARGE SPACES, LIKE OUR AMPHITHEATER, NONE OF THAT HAS EVER BEEN USED FOR ANY SORT OF ART INSTALLATION. I THINK THAT IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND BRING THAT HERE WITHIN THE CITY AND I THINK THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT THIS SORT OF COMMUNITY . I WAS AT LEAST

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REALLY BUTTONS EVERYTHING UP. >> DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR MORE COMMENTS? YOU ARE PRETTY ASTUTE AT WHAT YOU HAVE OBSERVED , AND BRIAN WILL PUNCH ME IF HE IS SITTING BEHIND ME.

A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU ARE NOT BACKING YOURSELF IN A CORNER WITH GUIDELINES. YOU ARE SETTING A STANDARD. YOU ARE SETTING A STANDARD OF THE KIND OF MATERIALS WE WANT AND QUALITIES. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DON'T WANT . THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING-- YOU CAN WRITE GUIDELINES AND NEVER DRAW RENDERINGS OF WHAT YOU THINK THE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE . WHEN WE FREQUENTLY DO THAT, IN FACT MOST OF THE TIME, THAT IS WHAT WE DO. WE DREW BUILDINGS THAT HAD MORE TO DO WITH FORM, SCALE, AND LEVEL OF DETAIL. I CAN TELL YOU, AND BRIAN WILL TELL YOU AND THE STAFF WILL TELL YOU, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING ABOUT HOW PALM BEACH, FLORIDA ARE WE, HOW DO WE DEPICT SOMETHING-- I DO THINK THE DRAWINGS ARE TOO FAR FOR THE THINGS YOU NOTICED, BUT IT IS OKAY IN MY OPINION. I KNOW COUPLE OF THESE DEVELOPERS WILL COME IN AND BE A MORE FLORIDA LOOKING THING. THAT WILL PROBABLY BE EVALUATING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. WE DON'T

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>> KAITLYN JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION . I THINK IT IS COMPLETE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ENVISION FOR THE COMMUNITY. TO SOME QUESTIONS, AS FAR AS CLARIFICATION. FROM A BUILDING DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE GREEN BUILDING IMPLEMENTATION. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE CODE SECTION OF THE ZONING TALKS ABOUT THE OFFSTREET PARKING AND LOADING ARE YOU REFERENCING EV AS FAR AS PARKING SPACE, CHARGING , BUT INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A MANDATE OR REQUIREMENT, YOU ARE SAYING, IT MAY . I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A PERCENT OF

THE PARKING EV ADAPTABLE ? >> WE WANT TO LEAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE DEVELOPER TO DICTATE THE PERCENTAGE THEY WANT TO INSTALL . OBVIOUSLY, THAT MARKET IS KIND OF EVER-CHANGING AND ONCE YOU DESIGNATE IT AS AN EV SPACE, YOU CAN'T LEGALLY PARK A NON-EV CAR IN THAT SPACE. WE WANTED TO ALLOW FOR EV ON THE SITE, BUT DID NOT WANT TO SET A MINIMUM STANDARD FOR THAT AND WE WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT THEIR DECISION AS TO WHAT THE MARKET

WOULD WANT. >> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THE EV ISSUE, BECAUSE I WAS MADE AWARE THIS WEEK, THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROPOSED RULE MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE EV SPACES, ET CETERA, POTENTIALLY EVEN REQUIRE EV SPACES TO COUNT AS REGULAR SPACES FOR PURPOSES OF PARKING MINIMUMS . IT IS A PROPOSED RULE AT THIS POINT AND HAVE GOT TO GO THROUGH A LENGTHY SPACE AT THIS POINT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE US AWARE .

I THINK WE WILL MOVE FORWARD, IF THIS IS APPROVED, BUT THEN, THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE FEDERAL REGULATIONS IN THAT

AREA. >> ONE THING WE ARE SEEING , IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL SPACES TO BE EV READY. WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF THAT. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRING IT.

THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU ARE TRYING TO GUESS THE MARKET. THIS WAY, YOU ARE NOT AND IT IS NOT REAL EXPENSIVE TO MAKE SPACES EV READY IF YOU ARE JUST RUNNING CONDUIT STUFF. IT HAS TO COME TO THE CHARGER, THAT IS THE ONE ANSWER I WOULD HAVE TO THAT ONE.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, THEN I WANT TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC, THEN WE CAN HASH OUT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

YOU WANT DONE? I APOLOGIZE. AND THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP EV IS BECAUSE WE ARE DOING A ELEMENT IN DAVIE AND IT IS A MANDATE OF THE COMMUNITY 5% AND 15% FOR FUTURE EXPANSION . THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING THAT. WITH RESPECT TO PARKING, THE 170,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AS FOUR PER THOUSAND STANDARD RETAIL, ABOUT 680 SURFACE PARKING SPACES . YET, THE VISION INCORPORATES RESTAURANT . IF IT IS FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, THAT IS TYPICALLY

WHAT, 10, 12 PER THOUSAND? >> THE STANDARD PARKING RATIOS

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>> WHAT WAS TENANT MIX? THAT WAS A CONCERN BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURED PARKING , ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURED PARKING . YOU WOULD WANT TO DO SOME SURFACE PARKING. YOU WILL HAVE TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESTAURANT, THAT IS THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, CAN YOU PUT IN THE ZONING AS FAR AS THE BUILDING DESIGN BASED ON THIS COURTYARD CONCEPT ? YOU ARE LOOKING AT A DOUBLE-SIDED , OR DOUBLE FRONTAGE RETAIL . YOU DON'T WANT THE BACK OF HOUSE, IS THAT THE WAY TO LET'S SAY SPECIFY THAT, SINCE YOU ARE CREATING A NEW ZONING ?

>> END ZONE'S DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE TALK ABOUT EQUAL TREATMENT AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND REQUIRED SCREENING AND INNOVATION OF SOME OF THOSE BACK OF HOUSE USAGES, LIKE THE DUMPSTER AREAS, THOSE TYPES OF ENCLOSURES, I THINK HIS DESIGN GUIDELINES PRETTY WELL COVERED LIKE THE BACK OF HOUSE AREAS AND EXPECTATIONS.

ARCHITECTURALLY INTEGRATE THOSE .

>> AND A QUESTION FOR YOU, KATELYN, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ADOPTED LOOKING AT THE FALL OF 2025?

>> NO, I HOPE WOULD BE THE TEXT, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WOULD FORWARD TO COMMISSION HERE BASED ON NEXT SCHEDULES OUTCOME HERE , SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TWO READINGS . LET'S SAY IN FEBRUARY , YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST AND SECOND READING, OR WHATEVER THE TIMING IS FOR THE CITY'S INTERNAL AGENDA DEADLINES .

THEN, THAT WOULD RULE OUT THE TEXT TO BE IN PLACE LET'S CALL IT MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, 2025 . THEN, WHAT WOULD COME LATER IN THE YEAR IS THE MAP AMENDMENT THAT CHANGES THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP FROM THE A1 DISTRICT TO THE VIP DISTRICT .

>> AND ONCE THE MAP IS ESTABLISHED, THEN YOU COULD GO

OUT FOR AN RFQ? >> I WOULD EXPECT WE ARE GOING OUT FOR RFQ, RFP SOONER THAN THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT TIMING AND PROCESS HAVE BEEN FORMALIZED 100%. I KNOW THAT IS ONE OF THE NEXT IMPORTANT STEPS, TO GET THAT READY TO GO

OUT. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH KATELYN ABOUT TRY TO GET IT OUT EARLIER. I THINK AS SOON AS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE YOU'VE GOT TO GET DOWN THERE. THIS YEAR, ALREADY FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAT A LOT OF GUYS WOULD EXPECT. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL EVERYTHING IS DONE. IF THE ATTITUDE IN THE CITY IS RIGHT, AS SOON AS YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN GET THE RFP TOGETHER, I WOULD DO IT.

>> I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE POTENTIAL MAP AMENDMENT . I KNOW KATELYN TALK ABOUT TWO ALTERNATIVES, POTENTIALLY THE CITY DOING IT, ALSO I KNOW I HAVE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, THE MAP AMENDMENT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS FALL, BUT I THINK WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET SOMETHING OUT ON THE STREET BY THEN. IF NOT EARLIER. JOHN .

>> COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, WONDERFUL JOB . I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SET THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE. AND AGAIN, THEY ARE GUIDELINES. WE AS A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND OUR COMMISSION HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY SO ON WHAT IS PRESENTED BY PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPERS AND THEIR PROSPECTIVE TENANTS ALSO WILL MAYBE DICTATE THEIR VISION . WE DEFINITELY WON'T HAVE AN ANTI-MONOTONY ISSUE IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THIS ONE ON THIS PROJECT. EXPLAIN , IF YOU WOULD THE PLAT EXPECT ASPECT. IS THE PLAT AT INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND THE ROADWAYS , SETBACKS , WHY IS IT THAT SOMETHING , FROM A TIME STANDPOINT THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, THE ROADWAYS AND LAND BOUNDARIES WE ARE PROPOSING, WHERE DOES THE PLAT COME IN WITH THE SAME QUESTION, THE REQUIREMENTS OF ONE OF THE ITEMS OF AN IMPACT ANALYSIS? SINCE WE HAVE EVERYTHING ESTABLISHED WITH -- BASED ON PARKING , SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING, LOT COVERAGE OR

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>> THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. AS IT RELATES TO THE PLAT, THE COUNTY WILL WANT TO SEE THE ACCESS POINTS AND THE WIND OF THOSE OPENING PRESCRIBED ON THE PLAT, AS WELL AS SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIVE NOTES IN TERMS OF THE USE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE USES , AND YOU DO PAY IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE RESTRICTIVE NOTES . YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO OVER PAY IMPACT FEES. IF YOU ARE ONLY PLANNING TO BUILD 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU WILL WANT TO PUT THAT 500,000. TO YOUR-- YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FINE-GRAINED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM A SPECIFIC DEVELOPER BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAT, I WILL SAY, BECAUSE YOU WILL WANT TO YOUR ACCESS

POINT. >> THE PLAT TAKES NINE MONTHS,

A YEAR, PERHAPS? >> YEAH, IT CAN TAKE, FOR RECORDATION. THE PROCESS-- IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RECORDATION PROCESS, AND THE

COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING-- >>-- WANT IT DONE IN 12 MONTHS,

MAYBE. >> LEE COUNTY HAS BEEN ALLOWING IN LOCAL AGREEMENTS TO ISSUE FOR THAT OF RECORDATION BECAUSE THEY REALIZE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING EVERYTHING EVERYONE FACES IN BROWARD COUNTY HAD A, KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. YOUR SECOND QUESTION ? YOUR SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO IMPACT ANALYSES , THAT IS A STANDARD REQUIREMENT AT TIME OF REZONING OUR SITE PLAN, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, AND RELATE THAT BACK TO OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD, SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME AS ANY PART OF ANY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WOULD COME WITH IMACT ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS ONCE WE GET A

DEVELOPER. >> WITH RESPECT TO OUR COMPATIBILITY CODE ASPECT THAT OFFERS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SO THAT WE WILL NOT VISUALLY BE SEEING BUILDINGS FROM RESIDENTIAL AND VICE VERSA? IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> EXACTLY. AND WE HAVE PATTY ON TOP OF THAT . WE DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AND THOSE RECORDED AGREEMENTS FOR SOME OF THE BUFFERS TO THE NORTH, I BELIEVE , AND OUR STANDARD BUFFER I THINK AROUND 40 FEET . THERE IS REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT UPPER STORY, UNDERSTORY PLANTINGS AND MATERIALS THAT REALLY CREATE THAT OPACITY TO SCREEN THE PROPERTY LINES THERE. I DON'T THINK FROM A LANDSCAPE PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE, AND THE LANGUAGE BEING SLIGHTLY MODIFIED IN THIS DISTRICT . I THINK WE ARE PRETTY COMFORTABLE.

>> I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT. WE DID SOMETHING UNPRECEDENTED. WE ACTUALLY HAD TO WAKE WORK WITH HOA , AND PATTY WAS A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND SHE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO A PSEUDO-DESIGN MOCKUP TO SHOW THE HOA WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND WE GOT THERE FEEDBACK TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE UPON THAT YEAR THAT IS THE BASIS FOR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING . I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS WENT

ABOUT. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS MY LAST COMMENT OR QUESTION . IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM A LOT OF THE COMMENTS BEING MADE, THE DEVELOPER IS REALLY THE TOOL TO CREATE AND ELIMINATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE MAY HAVE . THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS . ALL ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN USES

PERHAPS, IS THAT ACCURATE? >> NO PRESSURE , RIGHT? I THINK, YES, THAT IS ACCURATE . WHAT I ENVISION IS, WE WILL ISSUE THIS RFQ, RFP SOLICITATION PROCESS . AND PART OF THAT, THERE WILL BE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS MAY NEED TO SUBMIT AND RECOMMENDATION AND YOU MAKE IT DEVELOPER SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO DO X, WE ARE GOING TO DO Y, WE WILL HAVE TONS OF GREENERY. THE DEVELOPER TOOL IS A TOOL USED TO HOLD THEM TO THOSE COMMITMENTS , IN ADDITION TO ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC DEFENSE AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, PUBLIC ART WAS MENTIONED TODAY HERE THAT IS WHERE I THINK YOU WOULD SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS LAID OUT AND BINDING THEM TO THOSE COMMITMENTS THEY ARE REPRESENTING ONE TYPE OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRADITIONAL SITE PLAN. EXACTLY RIGHT. THE OTHER THING THAT IT ACTUALLY HOLDS YOU GUYS ACCOUNTABLE AT

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ON THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, SOME OF THE ITEMS ARE CLEARLY UNDER THE DEVELOP MENTAL ORDER PART OF THIS PROCESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE CORRECT, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE RECOMMENDATION , ONE BEING THE CHART ON THE PERMITTED USES . I MADE A POINT AND JOEL MADE A POINT AS WELL, PARTICULARLY MINE, THE BILLIARD ROOMS AND POOL HALLS, AND I WOULD LIKE THE CITY COMMISSION TO CONTEMPLATE CHANGING IT FROM PERMITTED TO AN ACCESSORY USE, AND PERHAPS JOEL HAD OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL NOT BE COVERED BY DEVELOPMENT OR RELATED TO THIS CHART, SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ACCESSORY USE FOR BILLIARD ROOMS AND POOL ROOMS.

>> I WILL CLOSE OUR CONVERSATION FOR A MOMENT AND OPEN UP THIS AGENDA ITEM TO THE PUBLIC. IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, ANYTHING THAT CAME IN THROUGH EMAILS OR ANYTHING, JEAN? CLOSING IT TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME.

>> AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING, THE ZONING DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED AGAINST-- WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY. THE DESIGN GUIDELINE WAS NOT WROUGHT TO US AS AN ORDINANCE, IT WAS BROUGHT TO US AS A HEY, CAN I GET YOUR INPUT TO BRING AN RFQ, TO BRING TO A DEVELOPER, I DON'T MIND ADDING TO THE BACK AND , BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE ARE RUSHING TO APPROVE A ZONING DISTRICT, AT THE CITY'S COST, BY THE WAY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE PROACTIVELY DOING A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE. WE ARE GOING TO MEET

AGAIN AND CHANGE THIS AGAIN. >> WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW. YOUR COMMENTS ARE--

>> NOW WE HAVE APPROVED THIS , TYPICALLY , IF WE HAD A DEVELOPER SITTING HERE SAYING, HEY, I WANT TO DO THIS IS A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WE WOULD GO THROUGH THIS LINE BY LINE , EVERY LITTLE THING IN HERE . LET'S SEE YOUR SITE PLAN . LET'S SEE HOW IT WILL BE LAID OUT. HOW IS YOUR PARKING GOING TO BE? ON STREET PARKING, EV PARKING, GOLF CART , WE LOOK AT EVERY LITTLE THING AND WE APPROVE AS A BLANKET STATEMENT WITHOUT A SITE PLAN, WITHOUT A DEVELOPER.

>> THEY REIN IN WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO . WHEN THE OWNER WENT INTO IT, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY HAD.

>> TO YOUR POINTS, ALREADY HAD A ZONING DISTRICT DONE BEFORE

THEY HAD THE DEVELOPER? >> I DON'T KNOW, AT THE TIME THEY BOUGHT THE LAND , I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY SET UP DESIGN

DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. >> WHICH WE SHOULD DO.

>> WELL, IT WAS SET UP BY THE CITY. HAVING THIS AS A STARTING POINT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO GO, OKAY, I KNOW WHO I HAVE TO TALK TO . WE DON'T WANT TJ MAXX HERE, WE DON'T WANT SHOE CARNIVAL. I WALKED BACK WITH SOME CITY MEMBERS, SOME CITY EMPLOYEES AND THEY ARE LIKE, I SAW CERTAIN PARTS OF IT AND THEY ARE SAYING, THIS IS GREAT USES. THERE WAS IMPROV, THE BOLERO , ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS AND WE WALKED DOWN THE STREET AND ALL WE SAW WAS TJ MAXX, HOBBY LOBBY, SHOE CARNIVAL , 200,000SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL . NO ONE WANTS THAT .

BY BREAKING THIS IN, WE AT LEAST -- WHEN WE GO TO THE STREET, WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. IT IS OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS UP TO WHOEVER SITS IN THESE CHAIRS AND WHOEVER SITS IN THE COMMISSION CHAIR AT THE TIME. THAT IS TRUE FOR ANYTHING, LESS WE DO IT IN PERPETUITY AND WE MAKE IT LIKE UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WILL GO THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE-- I REALLY WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE NOT ANSWERING OURSELVES BY DOING THIS. I THINK WE ARE SETTING THE STANDARD BY SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. SITE PLANS WILL

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>> A ZONING DISTRICT A WITHOUT A DEVELOPER, THIS WOULD JUST BE

A RECOMMENDATION. >> THE SOUND IS GOOD, HERE IS

OUR COMMENT. >> LET'S WORK WITH --

>> THIS IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION IN THE END.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TELLING YOU SOMETHING YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW . WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD . WE WILL MAKE OUR COMMENTS, WE WILL VOTE, THE COMMISSION WILL REVIEW.

>> I MEAN, ALEX , DOING IT THIS WAY, HAVING A ZONING DISTRICT IS NOT AN ORTHODOX . I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION TO CAITLIN, ESTABLISHING A DISTRICT LIKE WE ARE DOING IS SOMETHING-- WE ARE NOT INVENTING THIS TYPE OF PROCESS HERE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. PERHAPS JOHN COULD CHIME IN AS WELL THAT WOULD BE

MY QUESTION TO YOU. >> CERTAINLY. THERE ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THE PROCESS AND CERTAINLY A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS PROCESS AND THE WAY THE CITY IS TACKLING THIS. I THINK ULTIMATELY, THE CITY WANTED TO BE THE ONE THAT WAS DICTATING THE VISION AND THE STANDARDS .

THIS WAS THE PROCESS THAT WAS CHOSEN AND STAFF IS MOVING

FORWARD WITH. >> AND I FEEL WHEN WE WERE GOING BACK TO THE BREWPUB SCENARIO, MAYBE I AM WRONG , BUT IT WAS LIKE TRYING TO FIT -- LET'S CREATE THIS DISTRICT AROUND SOMETHING WE KNOW ALREADY WANTS TO BE THERE, AND THAT FELT WRONG. I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS KIND OF GIVING -- OF COURSE, IT WILL CHANGE, DEPENDING WHO ULTIMATELY COMES HERE, TO SOME LEVEL , BUT I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS IS PROBABLY 80 TO 90% OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE, AND GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN PLACE BY SHOWING THAT TO THEM. I DON'T

SEE IT AS A BAD THING. >> I ALSO WAS GOING TO BRING FIRST DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

>> FURTHER THAT WE HAVE TO . IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE INVESTING MORE THAN WE NEED TO. AGAIN, IF IT WAS THE COMMISSION DIRECTION, UNDERSTOOD, THEY WANTED TO GO THIS FAR, IT SEEMS WE HAVE GONE TOO FAR. WE SAW THE DISTRICT COME BEFORE US BEFORE, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS DISTRICT TRIED TO COME BEFORE US AND WE SAID,, THIS IS WAY TOO EARLY. WHAT HAS REALLY CHANGED, OTHER THAN THE 505 DESIGN PUBLIC OUTREACH?

>> WE DID TAKE YOUR COMMENTS FROM THOSE TWO MEETINGS AND INCORPORATED THEM INTO THIS . THOSE WERE IMPORTANT MEETINGS .

YOU HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS AND I MADE SURE CAITLIN WENT OVER EVERY COMMENT . WE DID INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS.

>> HELLO THERE, WELCOME. >> NANCY, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD . I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS WITH THE DIRECTIVE ALSO FROM THE COMMISSION . BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE EVEN GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS WAS TO CONTROL OUR DESTINY. THAT IS SOMETHING WE BELIEVE VERY DEARLY IN AND TO CONTROL THE DESTINY, YOU HAVE GOT A GUIDE. IF YOU DON'T GUIDE, YOU WILL GET EXACTLY WHAT IN SID DID. YOU ARE OPENING UP AN RFP PROCESS AND GETTING EVERYONE SUBMITTING EVERYTHING. YOU WANT TO GUIDE IT . YOU WANT TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE HERE BY THE GUIDE , AND THIS IS AN OVERALL GUIDE TO HELP US CHOOSE THE BEST DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT. WE ARE CONTROLLING OUR DESTINY, THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE WHEN THE CITY EVEN GOT INVOLVED. THANK YOU.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024-01.

>> SECOND . >> SECOND .

>> ANTHONY. >> JOEL MADE THE MOTION, SECONDED BY ANTHONY. CALL FOR THE VOTE , PLEASE.

>> BIXBY, GOLDSTEIN, KAPLAN, LAZOWICK , ROGERS, AVELLO ME

ZWEIG? PASSED UNANIMOUSLY . >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. I KNOW IT WAS A LONGER MEETING . THERE WAS A LOT TO GET THROUGH. WE

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>> NOW, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR COMMENTS.

>> I MIGHT HAVE HIT MY LIMIT OF COMMENTS, NONSPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN TO SAY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING BACK BEFORE YOU. THERE IS A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS GOING ON OUTSIDE OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL. WE WILL CERTAINLY SEE YOU AFTER THE NEW YEAR AND HAPPY

HOLIDAYS , EVERYONE. >> HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LISTEN, HEY .

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.