Jun 25, 2024 Planning and Zoning

[1. Call to Order]

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>> OKAY, MURRAY. >> WE COMMENCED THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> JORDANA GOLDSTEIN. >> HERE.

>> TODD ROGERS >> HERE. FABIOLA RODRIGUEZ.

[4. Approval of Minutes]

INAUDIBLE ] >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

[6. Comments by the Chair]

>> AYE. >> I'M GOING TO INTERJECT SOMETHING.

THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING KNOWN, -- NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[7. Approval of the Agenda]

>> APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

>> THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED DEFERRAL OF ITEM 8E. THAT'S FOR THE TOLL PROJECT TO THE JULY 11TH MEETING. IF WE CAN

GET A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DIFFER ITEM 8E FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE JULY 24TH

MEETING. >> IT IS SECONDED.

] >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE..

>> NOTHING FURTHER FROM STAFF.

>>

AS PRESENTED. >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> MR. CHAIR, ITEM 8A SINCE OH , BUT WHEN YOU GET TO 8B, THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO

[8.A. Resolution 2023-050: Parkland Golf and Country Club Pickleball Courts A Resolution of the City of Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, approving the Site Plan Amendment application from Parkland Golf and Country Club Foundation Inc., to remove an existing playground area and replace the playground area with six (6) pickleball courts on the approximately 19 acre Parkland Golf and Country Club clubhouse parcel, located approximately 0.6 miles west of the intersection of University Drive and Trails End, as more particularly described in Exhibit "A" (Case Number SPA24-002); providing for conflicts, severability, and an effective date.]

>> RESOLUTION 2023 E- 090.

CITY OF PARKLAND, FLORIDA. TO REMOVE AN EXISTING PLAYGROUND AREA AND REPLACE IT WITH A GOLF COURSE.

0.6 MILES WEST OF HERE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. KATELYN FORBES WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, FOR THE RECORD. TONIGHT BEFORE YU IS A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT PRESENTED BY THE COUNTRY CLUB. THE EXISTING PARCEL IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN HERE TO GIVE YOU REFERENCE . JUST WEST OF UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND NORTH OF TRAILS AND BREAD THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REPLACE AN EXISTING PLAYGROUND FACILITY WITH SIX PICKLE BALL COURTS. I'M SURE

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>> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS I ASSUME THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF PICKLE BALL IS THE SAME AS

>> I WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT'S TEAM ANSWER THAT.

>> YES, PLEASE. >> HI. YES. IT WILL BE THE SAME OPERATING HOURS. IT'S UNTIL 10:00 P.M.

>> YEAH. MY NEIGHBORHOOD INSTALLED A PICKLE BALL COURT AS WELL. THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THE SKY WAS GOING TO FALL WITH PICKLE BALL. AND IT DID NOT. OUR COMMUNITY LOVES OUR PICKLE BALL. THE ONLY SUGGESTION I HAVE AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT LATER IS MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH TRASH RECEPTACLE OUT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT DOES BRING SOME TRASH AND WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT. IT WAS ONE OF THE SURPRISES THAT WE RAN INTO, BUT I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AND

I SUPPORT THE ITEM. >> ALEX.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T GET YOUR BACKGROUND.

WHO DO YOU GUYS REPRESENT? ARE YOU WITH THE HOA?

>> MY NAME IS MARY VAN MILLER. I'M THE ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER AT THE PARKLAND COUNTRY CLUB. THIS IS OUR CIVIL

ENGINEER. >> DID THIS GO OUT TO A COMMUNITY VOTE? DID THE COMMUNITY VOTE FOR THIS? THEY

ARE AWARE OF IT? >> THEY ARE AWARE OF IT. IT IS NOT A COMMUNITY VOTE. IT IS A BOARD VOTE. THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT. THINGS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT TO THE

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COMMUNITY. >> THERE WERE A COUPLE CLOSE UP SHOTS OF IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT EXTENDED PAST WHERE THE PLAYGROUND WAS. I COULDN'T REALLY TELL IN THE IMAGES. IS THAT A ROADWAY I DON'T KNOW THE AREA AS WELL AS MAYBE THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. IS THERE ANY SETBACK ISSUE TO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT IS A CONCERN? PARKING LOT. WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE PARKING LOT. I WILL LET THAT CIVIL ENGINEER SPEAK TO THAT. I FORGET IF WE ARE TAKING SOME OF THAT OUT OR NOT TO MAKE

IT WORK. >> THAT IS ALL INTERNAL TO THE SITE. THERE ARE NO SETBACK ISSUES.

>> STEVE MARTIN WITH THE ENGINEERS.

NOT ENCROACHING ANYWHERE BEYOND THE CLUBHOUSE TRACT ADJACENT TO

THE LAKE. >> IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT IS COMING OUT FURTHER TO THE EAST, BUT I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY

TELL. >> YEAH. THAT IS THE PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE. THERE IS GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK AROUND IT FOR EASY ACCESS. BUT IT IS NOT IMPACTING THE PARKING LOT OR

THE PARKING SPACES. >> I'M ALL ABOUT DRAINAGE, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS GOING WHERE THIS GRASS WAS BUT I'M SURE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ALL OF THAT WITH MULTIPLE CALCULATIONS WITH REROUTING THIS DRAINAGE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY FLOODING ISSUES.

>> CORRECT. IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE SCREEN, THAT RIGHT AREA DISCHARGES INTO THAT ADJACENT LAKE.

>> LIGHTING. ANY PROPOSED LIGHTING ON THE SITE FOR NIGHT

USE? >> DEFINITELY.

>> THAT WILL BE SCREENED AND YOU'VE DONE YOUR --

>> THE CHI CONDITIONS TO CONTAIN IT IN THE SITE AND NOT

BLEED OFF. >> OUR COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT DOING PICKLE BALL, AS WELL. IS THERE A HIGHER DEMAND FOR PEOPLE DRIVING? IS THERE ADDITIONAL PARKING COUNTS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED UP VERSUS A PLAYGROUND?

>> IT IS ALL PRETTY MUCH INTERNAL TO THE SITE.

>> THIS WOULD NOT GENERATE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING DEMAND.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. FOR THE RECORD, I READ THAT ORIGINALLY, IT WAS A TENNIS COURT THAT WAS BEING REPLACED WITH THIS PLAYGROUND. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> THE WRITEUP TALKS ABOUT IT WAS FORMERLY A TENNIS COURT.

I'LL TELL YOU WHERE.

>> YEAH. >> I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL, DECEMBER 2ND, 2012. THE LAST ITEM. IT WAS ON THE PAGE.

CHANGE TENNIS COURT TO PLAYGROUND. WE HAVE A PETITION

NUMBER. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT I KNOW THE ORIGINAL ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SHOWED TWO COURTS THAT WERE THERE, THAT WERE NEVER BUILT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. INSTEAD, THE

PLAYGROUND WENT IN. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I SUPPORT THIS, AS WELL. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE ITEM TO SEE IF ANYBODY IS HERE IN REFERENCE TO THE PUBLIC, THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE , I WILL CLOSE IT TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023 E- 050 PARKLAND GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB PICKLE

BALL COURTS. >> SECONDED BY JORDANA.

>> JORDANA GOLDSTEIN. >> YES.

[Items 8.B - 8.D]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

>> AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS B, C, D..

OF LAND TO RS3. REZONING APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF THE ROAD SOUTH OF TRAILS AND,

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CONFLICTS AND SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. D.

RESOLUTION 2024 CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY DEPARTMENT OF FLORIDA.

RELATED TO MINIMUM WIDTH, SETBACKS, AND MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE TO DEVELOP 52 UNITS ON APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES OF LAND.

LOCATED WEST OF HILL ROAD. DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A. V 224003 AND V TO 24004 , PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. KATELYN.

THE WAY, IF I MAY, EVEN THOUGH I READ IT INTO THE RECORD ALTOGETHER, THEY WILL BE VOTED ON INDEPENDENTLY, INDIVIDUALLY.

>> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN. KATELYN FORBES, FOR THE RECORD. OUR NEXT ITEM IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL APPLICATIONS , AS THE CHAIR JUST READ IN. THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY TOLL BROTHERS WITH A PROJECT NAME OF SALT GRASS. THE SUBJECT SITE IS GENERALLY 21 ACRES OF THE FORMER HERON BAY GOLF COURSE, LOCATED WEST OF HILL ROAD AND SOUTH OF TRAILS AND, HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN IN THE BLUE SHADE THERE. THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT INCLUDE THE REZONING FROM THE CITY OF PARKLAND, A1 TO CITY OF PARKLAND RS3, A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. THE SUBJECT PLAT -- OF THE SUBJECT SITE PLAN APPLICATION WHICH WILL ACCOMMODATE 52 DETACHED DWELLING UNITS AND 52 LOTS.

THERE ARE THREE VARIANCE APPLICATIONS INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST, INCLUDING VARIANCES RELATED TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THE LOT WITH, AND THE LOT COVERAGE, AND OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY BOARD APPLICATION AS OF JULY 27TH. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THEIR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE DRAWINGS AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH DDP ON THAT PROCESS. WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT PACKAGE TO YOU FOR THAT MEETING. SO SOME SUBJECT PROPERTY HISTORY HERE. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SCREEN FROM THE 505 TEAM. THEY PUT THIS GRAPHIC TOGETHER, SO I FIGURED I WOULD STEAL IT. WE WOULD HAVE THE VILLAGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. NORTH OF THAT IS WHERE THE APPLICATION LOCATION IS, IN THE LIGHT GRAY.

IT OPERATED AS A GOLF COURSE UNTIL 2019. IT WAS PURCHASED BY NSID AND A COUPLE YEARS LATER, PURCHASED BY THE CITY. ABOUT 21 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT WAS PUT OUT THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND THE CITY DID SELECT TOLL BROTHERS TO BE THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROPERTY SUBJECT TO REVIEW OF THESE APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT.

THE FIRST APPLICATION IS THE REZONING REQUEST. REZONING IS TO THE RS3 RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE, THOUGH. FIRST. THAT IS R3. IT ALLOWS THREE UNITS PER ACRE. WE HAVE RS3 ZONING PROPOSED, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE TWO CONSISTENT. THE ZONING WOULD BECOME CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND-USE . THE FEATURED LAND-USE DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY. WHEN WE DO THE MATH, THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL FOR THE PROPERTY IS 62 DWELLING

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THE LOTS HAVE -- >> DO WE HAVE THIS FOR

COMPARISON? >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. THE LOT WITH IN THIS COMMUNITY IS AROUND 50 FEET IN WIDTH. THE LOT SIZES ARE AROUND 6 TO 7000 FEET. THE COVERAGE EXCEEDS 67% ON MOST LOTS. THIS IS THE RS3 ZONING DISTRICT. IN 2000, THE RS3 ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS WERE REVISED AS IT RELATES TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THAT SETBACK AT THAT TIME WAS 10 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT OLD BROOK HAS. IT WAS INCREASED IN 2000 FROM THE 10 FEET TO THE 12.5 FEET. THE LOT WITH IN OLD BROOK IS TYPICALLY BETWEEN 80 AND 90 FEET IN WIDTH. THE LOT COVERAGE DOES EXCEED 40%, AND WE WILL GET TO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AS IT RELATES TO THE RS3 STANDARDS IN A MINUTE.

THE NEXT APPLICATION THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT IS THE PROPERTIES PLAT. PLATTS I CAN'T SAY AS A PLANNER ARE THE MOST EXCITING. IT IS LARGELY A COUNTY FUNCTION TO MAKE SURE YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS MEETING CONCURRENCY AND PAYING THE CORRECT IMPACT FEES. THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A PLOT SPECIFIC PLAT. YOU WILL SEE A PLAN IN THE PLAT. IF WE PULLED UP THE NEXT PAGE, THERE IS A RESTRICTIVE NOTE ON THE PLATTS THAT BASICALLY LIMITS THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THROUGH THE RESTRICTIVE NOTE TO 52 SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.

THIS, ONCE APPROVED, IF APPROVED AT THE CITY WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY FOR COUNTY APPROVAL AND RECORDATION. THE NEXT APPLICATION THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT IS THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. YOU WILL SEE THE DRAWING ON THE SCREEN HERE. SO

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SO HERE IS A COMPARISON TABLE. OF THE RS3 DISTRICT STANDARDS AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE DISTRICT STANDARDS, THE TOP ROW, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE TABULAR DATA IS IN THE MIDDLE ROW WITH A NOTE OF COMPLYING ART WHERE VARIANCE IS RE-REQUESTED THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANTS MEETING THAT LOT AREA -- LOT WITH , IS THE NEXT COLUMN, WHERE THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 80 FEET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 70 FEET. THE NEXT COLUMN OF HER IS LOT COVERAGE.

THAT IS MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE. THEY ARE INCREASING -- THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INCREASE THE LOT COVERAGE FROM 60% TO 40%. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS TWO STORIES OR 45 FEET. AND THEN THE FRONT AND SETBACKS OF 25 AND 15 FEET, THE APPLICANT WOULD MEET, AND THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IS WHERE THE VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM 12.5 TO 10 FEET. THEY COMPLIED WITH THE MINIMUM FLOOR AREA, WHICH IS 1500 SQUARE FEET. SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT SITE PLAN FEATURES. THE ENTRANCE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE BLOWN UP ON THE SCREEN HERE. TAKING EXCESS FROM HERON RUN DRIVE, THE APPLICANT WOULD PROPOSE FEATURES ON EITHER SIDE. THIS WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THEIR SPECIFIC SIZE AND DESIGN, BUT CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED TO US. YOU CAN SEE THE MEDIAN THERE. THEY ARE PRESERVING TWO PRETTY LARGE SPECIMEN TREES AT THE FRONT ENTRY, AS WELL AS A DESIGN FEATURE TO THE OVERALL PROJECT SITE. THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE OPEN SPACES RIGHT AT THE BEND. IT INCLUDES THE MAIL KIOSK, SOME WALKING PATHS, BENCHES, BIKE RACKS, AND SERVES AS A NICE VISUAL RELIEF AS YOU TAKE THE TURN SOUTH INTO THE REST OF

THE COMMUNITY. >>

>> NO WORRIES. >> YOU'LL SEE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE ON THE LANDSCAPE AS WELL. IT IS RIGHT THERE BEFORE THE IMAGE CUTS OFF ON THE RIGHT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE IMAGE IS THAT FINAL CUL-DE-SAC OR ROUNDABOUT AT THE BOTTOM THERE. THAT OPEN SPACES OFF TO THE RIGHT ON THIS IMAGE. IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE CANAL.

YOU WILL SEE AGAIN, SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS AND THE BENCH FEATURES THERE. RIGHT AS YOU COME TO THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS OF THE PROJECT. THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES WILL SHOW YOU THE BUFFER DESIGN. SO THIS IS THE TYPICAL PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE CROSS-SECTION IN THE PLAN VIEW OF THE AVERAGE PROPERTY LINE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, SO THINK OF THE REAR YARDS. ESSENTIALLY, THERE IS LANDSCAPE IN THEN IT SLIPS DOWN INTO THE CANAL WITH THE LAKE MAINTENANCE EASEMENT. THIS IS A SPECIAL BUFFER DESIGN THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES RIGHT AT THE BEND -- AT THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, ADJACENT TO THE CSG SITE.

THEY ADDED AN ADDITIONAL FENCE THERE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER ADJACENT TO THAT NONRESIDENTIAL PEACE THERE. SO IT IS A BENEFIT

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OVERALL, THE NUMBER AND THE TYPE OF VARIANCES WERE PRE-IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT, AND THEY RETAIN THE TERMS OF THEIR REQUEST TO MODIFY THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK AND LOT WITH AND THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE . THROUGH CORONATION WITH STAFF, THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO PRODUCE THEIR REQUESTS. THEY CONTEMPLATED A 7.5 FOOT SETBACK AND THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING A 10 FOOT SETBACK. THEY DID QUANTIFY AND QUALIFY THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED FOR EACH OF THE VARIANCES, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY, NOT ONE OF THE VARIANCES AFFECTS EVERY LOT. SO THAT WAS HELPFUL ON BEHALF OF THE DESIGN TEAM TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF THAT REQUEST. GENERALLY, THE APPLICANT SHARED THAT A LOT OF THE VARIANT -- THE VARIANCE REQUEST -- EACH OF THEM DOES EACH OF THE THREE WERE LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE IRREGULAR SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE AND FROM SOME OF THE OTHER SCREENS, THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL A DOGLEG. HOLE ON THE GOLF COURSE. IT DID CREATE SOME FUNKY GEOMETRY. IT WASN'T INTENTIONALLY -- ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. IT IS NOT NICELY LAID OUT AND A SQUARE PARCEL THERE. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO ON THE DESIGN SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DESIGN WAS AS COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE. WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM. THE FIRST IS THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH REQUEST, AGAIN, REQUESTING A REDUCTION FROM 80 FEET TO 70 FEET. THEY DO MAINTAIN THE MINIMUM LOT AREA, WHICH IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. HOW DO THEY DO THAT? WELL, THEY HAVE MUCH DEEPER LOTS THAN THE AVERAGE LOT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES. THESE PARCELS ARE MUCH DEEPER IN INSTANCES, WHERE SOME OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES ARE AROUND 130 FEET. THEY HAVE ALMOST 200 FOOT PROPERTIES AND SOME OF THE LOTS HERE. SO VERY DEEP LOTS. THAT IS HOW THEY MAINTAIN THE MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET. IT IS DEEPER BUT MORE NARROW AT THE FRONT. THIS APPLICATION REQUEST WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO APPROXIMATELY 37 OF THE 52 LOTS AND IT IS LARGELY APPLIED TO PROPERTIES ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. WE WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY HERE WHERE IT IS HIGHLIGHTED. THE PROPERTIES ARE LESS THAN THE CODE REQUIRED 80 FEET. YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE. THEY ARE MORE CONCENTRATED ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THE NEXT REQUEST WAS FOR THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK. AGAIN, THE CODE WAS MODIFIED IN 2000 TO INCREASE THE SETBACK FROM 10 FEET TO 12.5 FEET. THE APPLICANT HAD INITIALLY CONTEMPLATED THE 7.5, SO A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF IN THE REQUEST THERE. THIS REQUEST IS RELATED TO THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH. YOU CAN SEE THE NEXUS BETWEEN THE TWO AS THE LOTS GET NARROWER, THE SETBACKS ALSO GET PINCHED A LITTLE BIT. THIS REQUEST WOULD BE APPLIED TO LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 75 FEET IN WIDTH, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF THE LOTS. AND ESSENTIALLY, THIS ALLOWS FOR A 50 FOOT MODEL PRODUCT, MEANING A 50 FOOT WIDE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES IN THEIR PACKAGE. WHEN YOU ADD THAT UP, YOU'VE GOT A 50 FOOT PRODUCT.

A 12.5 FOOT SETBACK ON EACH SIDE. THAT IS WHERE SOME OF THE REQUEST COMES IN IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO FIT THE PRODUCT ON THE HOUSE AND THE PRODUCT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS IN TERMS OF THAT 50 FOOT WITH. -- WIDTH.

THE LAST VARIANCE IS THE LOT COVERAGE. THIS WAS THE REQUESTED INCREASE FROM 35% MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE TO 40%.

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>> DOWN IS UP. SEE 20 --

>> SCOTT BACKMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, TOLL BROTHERS.

THEY ARE A PROUD RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT. KUDOS TO CAITLIN. WHAT AN UNBELIEVABLE PRESENTATION. IT'S MAKING MY JOB HERE VERY EASY. THERE'S A LOT OF DUPLICATION IN HERE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME GLOSS OVER A NUMBER OF SLIDES. THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO BE TERRIBLY REPETITIVE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS I CAN PROBABLY ADD IN TERMS OF BACKGROUND, HISTORY, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, WHY YOU ARE SEEING THE SITE PLAN YOU ARE SEEING, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE VARIANCES.

I THINK CAITLIN DID A GREAT JOB JUSTIFYING THEM. I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHUTOUT AND NOT NOT ONLY TO CITY STAFF, BUT OUR TEAM. THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK BACK AND FORTH ON THE AGREEMENT AND ALL THE ISSUES WE THOUGHT WE WOULD RUN INTO BEFORE WE MADE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL TO THE CITY. THERE ARE TIMING CONSIDERATIONS WITH ALL OF THIS, AS WELL. FROM THE TIME WE MADE A SUBMITTAL TO US BEING HERE TODAY, MY OFFICE HAS ASKED OTHER CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE FOR THE CLIENTS BUT WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY. BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE CITY, TO OUR FOLKS. I KNOW JEAN IS INVOLVED IN IT, AS WELL, TO GET THE REVIEWS DONE QUICKER THAN I THINK I HAVE SEEN IN 15 YEARS I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS 25. THERE USED TO BE A BP OF TIME BEFORE DEVELOPMENT EXPLODED IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE THINGS DID HAPPEN QUICKLY, BUT I THINK IT IS A BIG TESTAMENT TO US STANDING HERE BEFORE HE WITH THE LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU ARE SEEING. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU BASICALLY SAW ALL OF THAT FROM CAITLIN, AS WELL. SOME REVIEW OF OUR APPLICATIONS. I WANT TO SPEND A MINUTE LONGER ON THE HISTORY HERE. I DON'T NEED TO CITY ENDED UP ACQUIRING THE HE - PROPERTY, BUT THEY WENT THROUGH A PROCESS. THE CITY DID, AS I THINK YOU ARE AWARE, BUT THIS OUT TO BID FOR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU ARE ALL SEEING HERE THIS EVENING, AND ULTIMATELY, THIS WAS AWARDED TO TOLL BROTHERS, WHO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, BUT I WILL RESTATE. TOLL BROTHERS IS NO STRANGER TO THIS CITY. I LIVE IN HERON BAY. I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN HERON BAY THAT WAS BUILT BY TOLL BROTHERS 25 YEARS AGO.

THEY BUILT OUT THE GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, AS WELL, AS I

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OBVIOUSLY, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE WITH AN UNDERLYING THREE UNITS IS THE THREE UNIT RS3 ZONING. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OLD BROOKE. WHAT WE WERE CHARGED WITH ESSENTIALLY WAS GO PUT YOUR BEST SITE PLAN TOGETHER. PUT 52 LOTS ON IT. DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RS3 ZONING DESIGNATION. AND THE OLD BROOKE COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH. AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO BAY COVE TO THE NORTH. SO WE DID THAT. EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, WE KNEW THE THREE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY IN WHAT RESPECTS. WE KNEW WHAT OUR FOOTPRINTS KIND OF LOOK LIKE. AS A HOMEBUILDER, THAT ALL STARTS HAPPENING ONCE THE CONTRACT IS EXECUTED AND WE ARE OUT OF DUE DILIGENCE AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE ARE SUBMITTING. WE ARE GETTING COMMENTS FROM STAFF. THAT IS WHAT CAITLIN REFERENCED. WE WERE ABLE DURING THE PROCESS TO REALLY PARE DOWN, REDUCE, AND MINIMIZE THESE VARIANCES THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT, AND AGAINST MY WILL GET TO SOME OF THE GRAPHICS IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT I THINK 2 OUT OF THE 3 FRANCIS, OLDE BROOKE TO THE SOUTH, 40 FOOT LOT COVERAGE -- IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ARE AFFECTIVELY ASKING FOR. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE. IT'S A VARIANCE IN PARKLAND -- THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. STAFF HAS JUSTIFIED THEM AND WE SUBMITTED THE BACKUP. I'M HERE TO DO THAT, AS WELL, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT BEFORE WE SUBMITTED, AND DURING THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS IN ORDER FOR US TO GET TO THIS POINT AND BE HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IN ORDER TO PRESENT THESE VARIANCES. I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT BACKGROUND. THE OTHER BIG PIECE OF THIS, WHICH -- IT IS A BIG PIECE OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR HER IT HERON BAY AND MOST OF WHAT IS DEVELOPED AROUND THE CITY OF PARKLAND, UNLESS IT IS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE, IT ALWAYS STARTED AS A RAW PIECE OF DIRT THEY COULD CARVE UP HOWEVER YOU NEEDED TO IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. PUT YOUR LIKE HERE. BUT YOUR HOUSE THERE. WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE THERE. THAT DOESN'T EXIST WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING WITH AN OLD GOLF HOLE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE DENSITY THERE AND STILL PUT A ROW DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT'S GOT TO BE A MINIMUM BUT WAY STANDARDS AND MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT WE ARE TAKING AN OLD GOLF COURSE THAT IS CERTAINLY NO LONGER THAT HAS UNDERLYING RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF THE RATIONALE AND JUSTIFICATION FOR THE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK WE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER THE BEST SITE PLAN THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE THAT WAS RESPECTFUL TO BOTH COMMUNITIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. I WILL GET TO THE SENTIMENTS, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES IN HERON BAY. YOU LOOK AT THE ESTATES PRETTY LOOK AT OLDE BROOKE, BAY COVE. THERE ARE NO INTERIOR SPACES IN THIS COMMUNITIES. THERE IS 2.5 ACRES OF THIS, AS CAITLIN SHOWED YOU AND I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE SITE PLAN IN A MOMENT. JUST ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT HERE. JUST THE ACCESS. WE ARE WORKING WITH -- CAITLIN MENTIONED -- WE HAVE ACCESS TO AGREEMENTS WITH THAT. THAT IS BEING WORKED ON. I ATTENDED A MEETING WITH HERON BAY BOARD MEMBERS A FEW MONTHS AGO. THERE ARE UNDERSTANDINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW THAT WILL ALL WORK OUT. WE HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS THAT ARE BEING WORKED THROUGH, AND THAT ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMUNITY, AND SO ALL OF THAT IS IN THE WORKS. THERE IS A MEETING OF THE MINDS WITH ALL OF THAT

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AS WELL. YES? >> YOU TALK ABOUT ACCESS TO

WHAT? >> I'M SORRY. EXCESS -- THERE IS NO ACCESS ON HILL ROAD. THE EXCESS WILL BE THROUGH THE HERON BAY COMMUNITY, OFF OF PARENT RUN DRIVE, BETWEEN OLD BROOKE -- OLDE BROOKE, AND MENTIONED THE LAND USE. THE WHOLE AREA WAS R3. SOMETIMES, IT IS OPEN SPACE. YOU ARE WORKING THROUGH OTHER LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUES TO GET THERE. THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE WHEN HERON BAY WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED. IT IS UNDERLYING UNITS. THAT MAKES THIS PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EASIER, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, AND WE ARE COMING IN AND CHANGING THE LETTER A 1 ZONING ON THE GOLF COURSE TO THE RS 3. I MENTIONED A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE LOOKED AT RS 3, OR 4, OR 6. WE LOOKED AT THE MALL AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT -- I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU TO KNOW, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, IT REQUIRES A VARIANCE NO MATTER WHAT. WE WERE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR SOME VARIANCE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS PROPERTY. OKAY.

THIS IS A COLOR SITE PLAN. I DON'T THINK CAITLIN HEADED OR SHIRTED. WHAT THIS CAN HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU AND SOMETHING ELSE I DO WANT TO MENTION -- SO OUR MINIMUM -- I THINK IT IS ON THIS SLIDE.

THE LOTS, IN TERMS OF SIZE, THE AVERAGE SIZE OF LOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY -- THIS WITH, AS WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE VARIANCE OR DEPTH -- THERE A LITTLE -- 12,500 SQUARE FEET.

JUST OVER 12,000. THAT IS ALMOST DIRECTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OLDE BROOKE IS. DIFFERENT. THEY ARE 87 TO 100 FEET WIDE I THINK IN MOST INSTANCES. MUCH SHALLOWER DEPTH, AS YOU CAN SEE. LARGER BACKYARDS. AS A RESULT, THERE WILL BE MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN OUR HOMES AND THE HOMES IN OLDE BROOKE.

WHAT WE TRIED TO DO -- WE WILL SEE THIS ON A LATER SLIDE -- THE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH TO THE WEST OF THE ROADWAY THERE -- THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLANT -- THOSE ARE LARGER LOTS. THEY ARE LARGER. THEY ACCOMMODATE -- I THINK ALL OF THEM, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE GET TO THE VARIANCE SITE, DON'T REQUIRE THE SETBACK VARIANCE. WE ARE TRYING TO, AS I MENTIONED AS -- EARLIER. BE AS RESPECTFUL TO OLDE BROOKE AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE MORE THAN RESPECTFUL TO BAY COVE BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE BUFFERS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES THAT CAITLIN POINTED OUT, AS WELL AS THE TWO OPEN SPACES. SO CAITLIN SHOWED A TOP TO BOTTOM SIDE WITH THIS. THIS IS SIDE TO SIDE. IT IDENTIFIES THE THREE VARIANCES WE ARE ASKING FOR. OTHERWISE, WE ARE COMPLIANT. WE HAVE 20+ THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND OUR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS CONSISTENT WITH OLDE BROOKE AT A LITTLE

OVER 12,000 SQUARE FEET. >> THIS IS OUR OPEN SPACE SLIDE. I THINK THE WAY THE CODE WORKS IS WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 1.69 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, ACTUALLY. WE ARE PROVIDING ALMOST 2.5 ACRES IN THE FORM OF THOSE TWO POCKET PARKS. THEY ARE ALMOST I THINK ABOUT AN ACRE IN SIZE. MAYBE A LITTLE LESS OR A LITTLE MORE, SO IT PROVIDES AN ADDED AMENITY. THE KIOSK IS THE NORTHERNMOST OPEN SPACE. THERE IS GUEST PARKING AND FURLOUGH ON STREET PARKING, WHICH IS A UNIQUE FEATURE YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE SPREAD AROUND HERON BAY. ALL YOU SEE THERE IS ABOUT TWO ACRES. WE HAVE 2.5. PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ATTENTION BEING PAID TO THE ENTRANCE FEATURE HERE. WE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IT AS A SEPARATE SECTION BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE TOP LEFT WITH HERON RUN DRIVE . THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE, AND I THINK CAITLIN ACTUALLY SHARED -- I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED IT, BUT AN ENTRY MONUMENT, AND THE ATTENTION THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID TO THE ENTRY AREA. IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OR HAVE BEEN BY THE AREA, PRETTY NICE SPECIMEN TREE THAT IS RIGHT THERE, AND

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I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THAT SIDE, BUT I FELT IT MADE SENSE TO INCLUDE A BUFFER FOR THOSE UNITS THERE, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE PROPOSAL OF THE PROJECT ON THE SOUTH SIDE MADE A MORE SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER.

THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME IN AND FURTHER ENHANCE THE BUFFER ON THEIR SITE AND WHATEVER COOPERATION IS NECESSARY, WE WILL PROVIDE. SO WHAT I THINK CAITLIN SHOWED YOU IS TWO OF THE COLOR RENDERINGS. CONSIDERING YOU WEREN'T SEEING AND SEEING ALL OF THAT THIS EVENING, WE ARE SHOWING YOU CONCEPTS. THESE ARE ALL REAL LIFE IMAGES. EXISTING TOLL BROTHER HOMES THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA. FRONT YARDS, REAR YARDS. WHAT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF THINGS THAT SEPARATE AND MAKE A TOLL HOME UNIQUE, BUT A LOT OF THE ADD-ONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, PART OF THE LOT COVERAGE VARIANCE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. THEY ARE INCREDIBLY IMPOTENT, ESPECIALLY FOR BACKYARDS, SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE BEING FLESHED OUT IN MORE DETAIL THAT WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU ON JULY 11TH. SO THE VARIANCES -- I'M JUST GOING TO SCROLL THROUGH THESE, CONSIDERING THE DETAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO. THE LOT WITH -- I THINK CAITLIN SHOULD YOU SOME SECTIONS. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE COLORS ARE EVERYTHING UNDER 80, OBVIOUSLY, REQUIRES A VARIANCE . TO THE POINT RAISED PREVIOUSLY, WE'VE MANAGED TO PROVIDE SEVERAL 80 FOOT WIDE LOTS. THERE ARE THE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT. SO THE MOSTLY ORANGE LOTS ARE 75 TO 80 FEET, BUT STILL THE LARGER AND WIDER LOTS ADJACENT TO BAY COVE. AND THAT 74 FOOT WIDE LOTS ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE TURNAROUNDS, WHICH YOU SEE TWO OF. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE DOUBLE LOAD LOTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY -- WHICH IS WHAT ALL DEVELOPERS PREFER TO DO BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A HOME ON OTHER SIDE, IT SPLITS THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON EITHER SIDE, GIVEN THE SHAPE AND SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY , THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. IT IS HOW WE ARRIVED AT SOME OF THESE VARIANCES.

>> THE WHITE COLORED ONES ARE DELINEATED?

>> NO VARIANCE REQUIRED. >>

>> ONE OF THEM IS WRONG ON THIS SLIDE. NUMBER 38 IS NOT

SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED. >> ME NEITHER. THAT WAS OUR

LAND PLANNER. >> MY EYESIGHT IS NOT AS GOOD

AS YOUR HONESTY. >> LAND PLANNER NUMBER 38 IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.

>> SAME CONCEPT HERE. NO VARIANCE NECESSARY FOR THE SIDE YARDS. WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE TOTAL .5 FEET, IRRESPECTIVE OF

THE FACT THAT -- >> NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THE

WHITE. >> NON-HIGHLIGHTED MEANS NO VARIANCE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. EVERYTHING YOU SEE THERE IN BLUE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THE MINIMUM 10 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH, AGAIN, ADMITTEDLY TO THE NORTH THESE LOTS -- THERE IS BAY COVE. I DON'T REMEMBER. I THINK THOSE ARE THE LOT LINES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. WHATEVER WE PROVIDE IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE PROVIDING. THE 10 FEET WE ARE ASKING FOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MINIMUM REQUIRE -- REQUIREMENT OF OLDE BROOKE TO THE SOUTH. THIS SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE OF OUR TYPICAL HOMES ON A LOT LESS THAN 75 FEET, VERSUS MORE THAN 75 FEET, AND WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, SO AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. BUT IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF UNITS. 21 UNITS. FOUR LOTS.

SURE. >>

>> THIS WAS JUST UP THERE TO HIGHLIGHT IT. THOSE ARE THE

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WITH THIS ONE, THERE IS THE VARIANCE. IT IS ALL WHITE, AS CAITLIN MENTIONED. WE CAN FIT OUR LARGEST HOME ON OUR SMALLEST LOT. NO VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR 35% OR LESS. AS I JUST MENTIONED, AS CAITLIN TOUCHED ON, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OPTIONS, WHERE A LUXURY ESTATE BUILDER -- IN ORDER TO DO THAT -- -- WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. IT IS LESS THAN HALF, AND WE HAVE 52. THEY WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE TO GO FROM 35%. WE ARE ASKING FOR 40. WE SPENT TIME ON THE PHONE EARLIER TO LOOK AT THINGS. THINGS THAT WOULD INCREASE THE COVERAGE. REALISTICALLY, WHAT WE NEED IS ANOTHER 1.5 TO 2 PERCENT PRESS -- AND WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT CUSTOMERS WILL REQUEST. SO GIVEN THAT IT IS OVER 40%, WE ARE BEING PRECAUTIONARY AND ASKING TO BE AT 40%. I THINK THE VARIANCE WOULD ONLY BE GRANTED FOR THE LOTS SHOWN HERE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE ON EVERY SINGLE LOT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT COVERS IT. YOU CAN SEE WE BROUGHT OUR TEAM WITH US. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING LONG AND HARD ON THIS FOR THE BETTER PART OF FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS. BUT FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR DIRECTLY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY. WE HAVE OUR LAND PLANNER. OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. CIVIL ENGINEER. UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS BOARD WILL LIKELY HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

>> WE ARE GOING TO START WITH JORDANA AND GO DOWN THE LINE.

DON'T LET ME FORGET TO REACH OUT TO FABIOLA, AS WELL. WE WILL OPEN UP ANY -- TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT HEARING ITEMS, AND I KNOW WE ARE COMBINING THEM , WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY. WE MAY BE GOING UP AND BACK A COUPLE OF TIMES.

>> SURE. >> WE MIGHT BRING UP OTHER

QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE VARIANCE AND THE SITE PLAN ARE IN THE SAME RESOLUTION, SO IT WILL REQUIRE ONE VOTE. IF YOU WANT, YOU COULD TAKE SEPARATE VOTES ON THE VARIANCES. THAT IS UP TO YOU. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IF ONE OF THE VARIANCES IS DENIED, THE SITE PLAN IS LIKELY GOING TO CHANGE.

>> WOULD YOU PREFER AS THE CITY ATTORNEY? AS FAR AS THE VOTE.

>> I PREFER A SEPARATE VOTE ON EACH OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO DO SEPARATE VOTES ON THE VARIANCES. IT'S NOT REQUIRED. WE NEED TO VOTE ON ITEM 8D ULTIMATELY. THE SITE PLAN WOULD LIKELY NEED TO BE CHANGED.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, YOU

SPURRED >> JUST TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD -- WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD. OUR DECISIONS THIS EVENING WILL GO ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR MEETING AND VOTE. SO. JORDANA.

>> INDICATED THE PURCHASE PRICE OF IF NO VARIANCES WERE APPROVED , HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF ORDER TO

>> I THINK THE FIRST PART OF IT. I WILL LET MR. BECKMAN TALK TO IT IF THEY DON'T GET THE VARIANCES. THE PURCHASE OF SALE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY ENTERED INTO WITH TOLL GIVES A PURCHASE PRICE OF $375,000 PER LOT. THAT IS THE WAY THE PURCHASE AND SALE CONTRACT ROOTS. I WILL LET MR. BECKMAN EXPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

>> IF A VARIANCE HAS COME OFF, AND WE LOSE LOTS, EACH LOT IS

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WE DID GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE DURING THE PURCHASE AND SALE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT THAT SHE LOOKS LIKE WE ARE SOMEWHERE IN THE MID 40S SOMEWHERE. IF WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH EVERY SECTION OF THE RS3 AND GO TO 80 FOOT WIDE LOTS, THINGS START TO WIDEN OUT. LET'S HAVE TO CHANGE. WE NEVER WENT TO THE EXERCISE OF FULLY DRAWING OUT A CODE COMPLIANT SITE PLAN THAT WORKS. THE NUMBER IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MID 40S. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PREPARE AND DRAW A FULLY CODE COMPLIANT SITE PLAN THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THESE PARTICULAR MODELS AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL THE LOT REQUIREMENTS AND EVERY SINGLE REQUIREMENTS BUT WE KNOW IT IS SEVERAL LOTS. IT IS NOT ONE OR TWO. THAT IS KIND OF THE REASON WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE IN THE IMPACT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. 10% OR MORE. AND THEN SIGNIFICANT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. THAT IS THE IMPACT % TO TOLL BROTHERS AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS, ANTHONY REFERENCED HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE THE

FINANCIAL IMPACT. >> JUST SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN SAY THE IMPACT IS EIGHT LOTS, NINE LOTS, 10 LOTS, PERHAPS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD GO QUITE THAT FAR. WE ARE AT 52 NOW BUT WE CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS. WE WOULD NEED TO SPEND, TIME, MONEY, WE WOULD NEED TO DO THE REVIEW. WE DEFINITELY THINK IT IS AN IMPACT OF LESS THAN -- CERTAINLY LESS THAN 10. I CAN'T TELL YOU. WHEN I SAY MID 40S, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 44 AND 47, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW, AND GIVEN THE DISCUSSIONS AND WHERE WE WERE AT IDENTIFYING THESE, OUR GOAL WAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE SURE WE WERE APPROPRIATELY JUSTIFYING THE REQUEST AND COMING IN WITH 52. IT COSTS TIME, ENERGY, MONEY, ET CETERA, TO REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH CERTAINTY.

>> BE TALKING ABOUT A REDUCTION REQUEST THAT WOULD BE $3

MILLION IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. >> SURE.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT. I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR YOUR PURPOSES, FOR YOUR REVIEW, FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD LOOK SOLELY TO, YOU KNOW, OUR LAND DEVELOPER AND CODE AND WHAT IS BEING PUT BEFORE YOU, AND THE REZONING CONSIDERATION FACTORS, THE SITE PLAN FACTORS, AND NOT THE MONETARY FACTORS IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JORDANA?

>> NOT FOR RIGHT NOW. >> ALEX.

>> ALEX. >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE BRIEF?

>> I'LL BE BRIEF. >> I WAS KIDDING.

>> OBVIOUSLY, A GREAT PRESENTATION AS ALWAYS. YOU DO TOO MUCH FOR THE APPLICANTS, BUT REALLY, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO GET A COMPLIMENT FROM A DEVELOPER FOR ALL THE HARD WORK FOR THE CITY STAFF. BUT I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY HAS GONE INTO THIS RP AND THE SOLICITATION AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE CITY HAS PUT INTO THIS GRID WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS NOW. FOR YOU TO STAND HERE AND SAY, WE NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT THIS WITHOUT VARIANCES, WHEN YOU GUYS PUT YOUR RFP IN, WAS IT CLEAR TO THE CITY THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE THESE VARIANCES? MAYBE THAT IS TO YOU.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS. IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ALL THE DEVELOPERS ON THE STREET WHAT THE CITY WAS LOOKING FOR, AND NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VARIANCE RIGHT OUT OF THE GET-GO, WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT, HEY. WHAT COULD IT BE WITHOUT THE VARIANCES? SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE ARE HERE WITHOUT EVEN -- WHAT HAS THE CITY SEEN ON THIS, PRIOR TO TONIGHT? IN THE RFP PROCESS AND ALL THE OTHER BIDDERS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. MAYBE HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE BITS FOR THIS.

I THINK YOU GUYS DO PHENOMENAL WORK, BUT RIGHT. HERE WE GO. WE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT. WE SET OUR STANDARDS, AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT. WHAT HAS BEEN

TONIGHT? >> IN THE RFP PROCESS, THE CITY HIRED A BROKER TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT PROPOSALS BUT WE

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THEY DID HAVE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYBODY DOING A FULLY ENGINEERED SITE PLAN, AND STAFF IS HERE. IF THEY REMEMBER SEEING THAT, THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IT WAS WHITTLED DOWN.

IT WAS SHORTLISTED TO LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT OF FIRMS THAT WE GOT, AND ULTIMATELY, TOLL WAS SELECTED AS THE PREFERRED FIRM TO NEGOTIATE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH, AND AT THE TIME, THE COMMISSION MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN ANYTHING MORE THAN 52 HOMES FOR THE SITE. THAT IS WHY THE AGREEMENT SPELLS OUT THAT THAT IS THE MAXIMUM. THROUGH THE PROCESS, I KNOW IN DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH TOLL, THE CITY CHALLENGED THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO MAYBE REVIEW -- REMOVE ONE OR TWO LOTS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF REMOVING VARIANCES, BUT YOU HEARD MR. BACKMAN'S RESPONSE ON THAT.

>> IT WAS PRESENTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW COMING INTO THE PROJECT NO MATTER WHAT, WE WERE GOING TO DO VARIANCES. WE TALKED ABOUT VARIANCES. THAT IS JUST SURPRISING THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT THE CITY WAS AWARE OF THIS BUT WHY WASN'T THAT PUT IN THE RFP? THE FIRST PART OF THIS , THE REZONING, THE RFP, THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO TO RS3 AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO MEET THAT. IT IS HARD FOR ME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH -- UNFORTUNATELY, THE PLAT -- THE WEIGHT YOU GUYS DID THE PLAT, IT IS TIED TO THE SITE PLANS, SO FOR ME, IT IS TOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH C AND D JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP. YEAH, IT IS A UNIQUE SITE, BUT IT WAS NO SECRET WHAT THE SITE WAS. IT WAS A BID PROCESS. YOU CAME IN AND SAID YOU WANTED IT. IT WAS NO MORE THAN 52. IT'S NOT, HEY, PACK AS MANY IN THERE, BUT A BIG BUILDING ON IT.

>> AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS , YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, IT IS CLEAR THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REGULAR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BUT IT DID NOT PROHIBIT THEM FROM REQUESTING VARIANCES. ANY DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND SUBMIT APPLICATIONS. IT LIMITED IT TO NO MORE THAN 52 HOMES AND IT HAD TO GENERALLY BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN THEY WERE SHOWING, WHICH IT WAS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT SITE PLAN HAD 52

HOMES ON IT. >> AND WE KNOW WHAT WE DID PRE-2010. WE KNOW WHY THE CODE GOT CHANGED. YOU KNOW, SO, WE TRIED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES FOR OUR FUTURE SELVES. NOW, HERE WE ARE, SAYING, HEY, GUYS. THANKS FOR UPDATING THE CODE. WE ARE

GOING TO MOVE IT BACK. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I SAY A WORD ABOUT THAT? DEAL ME TO WAIT FOR MY TURN ? WOULD YOU

PREFER THAT? >> IT IS HARD FOR ME TO GET THAT. I LOVE THE PLAN. I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE LANDSCAPING IS GREAT. THE OPEN SPACE IS GREAT. I REALLY LIKE THE LAYOUT OF IT. THE BUFFERS. I LIKE IT ALTOGETHER, BUT JUST TO COME IN WITH THE VARIANCE IS VERY TOUGH FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. THIS HAS JUST BEEN A VERY CLEAR PROJECT FOR A VERY

LONG TIME. >> IF I MAY RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT, BUILDING OFF OF WHAT ANTHONY SAID -- AND IT IS DIFFICULT, RIGHT? WE KNEW WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. WE KNEW WE HAD TO COME IN AND ESTABLISH AND MEET THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE VARIANCES THAT WE REQUESTED.

ALSO, I DON'T WANT THE PERCEPTION TO BE THAT, HEY, TAKE THESE VARIANCES AND SHOVE IT. BY NO MEANS WAS THAT THE APPROACH HERE. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH SENIOR STAFF AND LEGAL OF THIS CITY BEFORE WE MADE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, UNDERSTANDING AND IDENTIFYING. THE RS3 WASN'T A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, EITHER. ALL THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY OUT THERE. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE GIVEN THE UNDERLYING LAND USE, BUT WE SCOURED THE CODE AND TRY TO FIND AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MAKE THIS WORK. WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT RFP, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS. DEVELOPERS WILL SPEND MONEY, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO ENGINEER AND PUT A SITE PLAN TOGETHER. YOU WERE DEALING WITH IT. THERE WERE SITE PLANS SUBMITTED AT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER DENSITIES. THE COMMISSION MADE IT KNOWN WHAT THEY WANTED. WE COULD COME OUT AND PUT OUT A SITE PLAN. AND WE HAVE THE PROCESS. LET'S CALL IT 45 SINCE WE THINK IT IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MID 40S, AND THAT IT HAS A FINANCIAL IMPACT. WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ULTIMATELY, THAT IS A DECISION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT IS WHY THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE WERE IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION, SINCE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT HAD 52 LOTS ON IT. AND SO THE ONLY THING I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION

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] IT IS NOT MY DESIRE. STAFF REVIEWED THE VARIANCES AND SAID WE MET THE CRITERIA. IT IS PART OF THE RECORD. I WENT AHEAD AND FURTHER JUSTIFY THAT. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE ALL SITTING HERE BID YOU ALL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU AND DECIDE, DO WE MEET THE CRITERIA? DOES IT WORK? I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE BACKGROUND AND HOW WE GOT HERE IS THE

IMPORTANCE OF THAT STORY. >> YOU CAN TELL THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS.

>> >> I GET IT. IT IS UNFORTUNATE

WE DIDN'T GET TO SEE ANY -- >> I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT IS NOT

A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO I'M GONNA ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS MY PREDECESSORS HAVE SAID HERE. THERE WAS A MEETING MANY, MANY MOONS AGO, A SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING THAT OUTLINED WE DON'T WANT ANY VARIANCES. IT IS A BOLD STATEMENT TO MAKE, BUT OUR CODES ARE TOUGH. BUT SHOW ME. RIGHT? IF IT'S 45 HOMES, SHOW ME WHAT 45 HOMES LOOK LIKE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE ROAD, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW? SHOW ME WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT IT COULD MEAN FOR WHAT YOU'R ASKING. I'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE, OR MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THOSE LOTS ARE A NICE ADVANTAGE FOR HOMEBUYERS THESE DAYS. I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LARGER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE WILL SAY, I NEED TO MAKE MY DRIVEWAY LONGER. SO, YEAH.

IT MAY NOT FIT WITH WHAT TOOL HAS, YOU KNOW, CANNED AND READY TO GO. I THE CONSTRUCTION WORLDS. I TRIED TO AVOID VARIANCES AT EVERY COST ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HIGH-END LUXURY HOMEBUILDER. THIS STUFF HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING BOXES ON THE SITE. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TOLL CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE JUSTIFYING THE REQUEST WITHOUT SHOWING US WHAT A CODE COMPLIANCE SITE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT SAID, I THINK -- I LIKE THE SPACES ON THE SITE PLAN ASPECT OF IT. I DO LIKE THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE MAILBOXES, BUT AT THIS TIME, PEOPLE LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A FUNKY TURN TO GET THEIR MAIL OR PARK IN A COUNTERINTUITIVE WAY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT ACROSS AND THEN PERK TO GET THEIR MAIL IF THEY ARE GETTING IT ON THE WAY OUT. RIGHT? SO AS MUCH AS I DO LIKE THAT LITTLE PARK AREA, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE A DRIVE-IN LOOP FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PULL OFF THE ROAD AND NOT STOP TRAFFIC THERE AND CREATE AN UNSAFE ISSUE. I WAS RAPIDLY TYPING HERE.

INAUDIBLE ] HE ALSO SAID THAT THERE WERE OTHER VARIANCES THAT YOU ARE

LOOKING AT. >> NO. KIND OF. DURING OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN WORKING ON THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, WE STUDIED THE RS3, THE RS4, AND THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS TO FIGURE OUT, HOW DO YOU GET 52 LOTS ON THIS PROPERTY? THAT IS WITH THE CONTRACT WAS FOR. UNDER ANY OF THOSE FOUR, I THINK THE MINIMUM VARIANCES NECESSARY TO PRODUCE A LUXURY PRODUCT WITH 52 LOTS WAS THE RS3 ZONING WITH THESE VARIANCES. WE LOOKED AT OTHERS. THERE WERE OTHER VARIANCES.

THERE WERE NOT OTHER VARIANCES FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN UNDER THE RS3 PRINT I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. A LUXURY PRODUCT WITH THE ADD-ONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AND NOT MODIFY ANY ADD-ONS, RIGHT?

>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. ALL HOMEBUILDERS -- SPOKE PROPERTY OWNERS -- IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE

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>> KNOW. WE ARE CREATING UNIQUE MODELS AND HOMES AND FOR PLANTS -- FLOOR PLANS FOR THIS. THE LARGEST HOME IS 5400 SQUARE FEET. IT FITS ON THE SMALLEST LOT. NO PROBLEM. YOU WANT TO BUY THAT HOUSE AND YOU WANT TO BUY IT ON THE SMALLEST LOT AND YOU WANT TO PUT AN EXTENSION TO YOUR OUTDOOR PATIO BUYER POOL, WE NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE WE ARE NOW 7/10 OF A PERCENT OVER 45%. THAT IS THE ISSUE. JUST ON THAT ONE VARIANCE. AND JUST AS A REMINDER SINCE WE ARE ALL HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, 35%, OLDE BROOKE, WHICH WE WERE ASKED TO BE AS CLOSE TO AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF JUSTIFYING VARIANCES, IS AT 40. MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES IN HERON BAY ARE 40 PLUS PERCENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES FOR REASONS ALONG THE WAY. WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE ADJACENT HOMES THAT WE ARE MOVING INTO, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. I DON'T THINK WE ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING --

>> I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT BOARD MEMBER ALEX LAZOWICK SAID. WE USED TO DO A LOT OF Z AND NOW WE ARE DOING A LOT OF P, TRYING TO PLAN IT OUT. EVERY TIME WE MAKE THESE PLANS, THERE IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, A VARIANCE THAT FOLLOWS, NO MATTER WHAT. AND I WOULD'VE VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE WHAT A CODE COMPLIANT ISSUE WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE, EVEN IF IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST HOMES ON ONE OF THE SMALLEST LOTS. THAT WOULD HELP THIS.

SPOKE I'M NOT A FAN OF VARIANCES. I'VE HAD PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHERE I LIT MY HAIR ON FIRE. I ACTUALLY GET THIS VARIANCE. I UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS OF HOW THIS ALL STARTED, AND WHY THE DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR THE VARIANCES.

IT'S NOT LIKE HE IS A DEVELOPER OR A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS COMING IN HERE AND IN MY VIEW, TRYING TO BULLY US TO GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS OR I'M GOING TO PUT UP A, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT FROM THE PAST. BUT TOLL BROTHERS, WHO IS A VERY REPUTABLE -- IN THE CITY. A GREAT CORPORATE PARTNER -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO COMPARE THAT TO SOME OTHER CORPORATE ENTITIES THAT MAYBE AREN'T AS GOOD A CORPORATE PARTNER, BUT I WON'T MENTION NAMES, BUT TOLL HAS STEPPED UP AND DONE THE RIGHT THING. I CAN GET WHY YOU GUYS ARE COMING HERE FOR THE VARIANCES . THE VARIANCES ARE GOING TO GET SORTED OUT BECAUSE IT IS A MATH ISSUE ON THINGS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY CONSIDER. I'M JUST GOING TO LAY THE VARIANCE ISSUE ASIDE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS FOR ME TO ADVISE THEM ON THE APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE BECAUSE I KIND OF GET THE WHOLE 52 NUMBER, ALL OF THAT. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS WHICH I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. THIS IS GOING TO BE A TWO STORY PROJECT. AND I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS TWO STORY PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE HOUSE, WHICH EQUATES TO OTHER MATHEMATICAL ISSUES THAT I CAN'T CONSIDER, BUT I LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW, CAITLIN, IS MY ISSUES RELATED TO TWO STORIES, IS THAT MORE APPROPRIATE TO A C.A.B. CONVERSATION, OR IS THIS

SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT NOW? >> WE WILL GET MORE DETAILS AT THE NEXT C.A.B. MEETING. BUT MR. BACKMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY --

>> I WILL SAY THIS. WE WILL GET INTO MORE DETAIL, BUT IT IS GREAT TO HEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED OF A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE, BUT YOUR COMMENTS NOW ARE NOT THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THIS, NECESSARILY. AND I GUESS I CAN RESPOND, AND I

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THEY JUST CAME UP EARLIER TODAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND STUDY IT AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT. PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST CONCERN -- WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT VARIANCES AS A SINGLE STORY HOME REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE. IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER LOT COVERAGE PERCENTAGE THAN 35.

DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT OR NOT, BUT I'M PUTTING IT OUT

THERE. >>

>> HERE. I WAS GOING TO COMMENT. YOUR PRESENTATION SHOULD THE PICTURE OF THE OPPOSED MODELS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT HEARING THE ARCHITECTURAL ASPECT OF THE APPLICANT THAT -- ASK ANYTHING YOU WANT IS MY OPINION.

>> AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION.

>> WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION FROM THE BOARD.

WHATEVER THE BOARD WANTS, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER. I LOOK AT THE -- YOU KNOW -- WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALL TWO STORIES, I JUST GO, OH MY. IS JUST ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER. IT DOESN'T GET BROKEN UP WITH ONE OR TWO STORIES. I DON'T KNOW IF MY AUDIENCE SHARES THAT VIEW OF MINE. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE TWO STORIES, CAITLIN, I KNOW WE HAVE THE ANTI-MONOTONY CODE . WOULD A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALL TWO STORIES, WITH THAT VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTI-MONOTONY CODE THAT WE

HAVE? >> AT THE ANTI-MONOTONY CODE IS LARGELY LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS AND THE MATERIAL PALETTE, THE COLOR PALETTE THAT IS OFFERED. NOT NECESSARILY BUILDING HEIGHT, BUT OTHER COMPONENTS THAT THE DDRP IS REVIEWING. THAT'S CORRECT, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF MODELS AND ELEVATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, IT IS POSSIBLE.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE BUFFERING, KILL AND MENTIONED THE BUFFERING, AND USED THE WORD SPECIAL BUFFERING, AND I WOULD ADVISE THE CITY COMMISSION THAT SPECIAL BUFFERING IS CONSIDERED BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A GOLF COURSE. IT IS NOW BEING TURNED INTO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, SO SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IS GIVEN TO VARIANCES. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT SPECIAL CONSIDERATION SHOULD DEFINITELY BE GIVEN TO THE BUFFERS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM THE NEW 52 HOME TOLL DEVELOPMENT -- SALT GRASS WILL BE LOOKING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL, SO IT IS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, SO TO SPEAK. SO WE NEED TO -- THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IS GIVEN TO THE BUFFERING. THAT LEADS ME TO A DIRECT QUESTION. BETWEEN OLD BROKE AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHAT SEPARATES THEM? IS IT THE

WATERWAY? >> YOU CAN SEE IT OUT THERE.

>> I GET CONFUSED ON ONE OF THE CASES. IT IS SEPARATED BY A LAKE. OKAY. AND ALSO, BAY COVE. THERE WAS A SLIGHT.

>> I GOT IT. ONE SECOND. >> THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FROM THE EXISTING HOMES, AND THERE IS A LAKE FROM OLDE BROOKE ON BOTH SIDES. AND WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD, BUT A BUFFERING IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, IN MY VIEW, TO MAKE THIS WORK ON BOTH SIDES , MR. BACKMAN. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE.

>> THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE VILLAGE AND THE DOGLEG -- THERE

IS A SLIDE ON THAT. >> THERE IS. I'M GOING TO CALL IT A CONNECTION. IT IS SOLELY A BUFFER. NO ACCESS.

>> I STAND CORRECTED. I AM CONCERNED WITH THAT, AND I KNOW RESIDENTS WILL BE CONCERNED AS WE DEVELOP THE VILLAGE. I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN HERON BAY THAT THEY ARE DESIRING , YOU KNOW, THE WATERWAY TO BE EXTENDED TO CREATE A NATURAL

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I THINK THE DENSITY, THE 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE -- I THINK THAT IS SWELL. WHEN I SEE THINGS GET TORTS 3.0, I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT 2.5 IS USUALLY THAT NICE, SWEET SPOT. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. I PLAN TO -- I WANT TO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE, BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE SHOWN SO FAR, AND I THINK THE VARIANCE ISSUE IS GOING TO GET SETTLED DOWN WHEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHERE THAT BELONGS. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, ANTHONY. TODD. >> THANK YOU.

>> I ECHO THE PRESENTATIONS WERE FANTASTIC. MY ISSUES ARE SIMILAR. I WON'T BELABOR ALL OF IT. THE FIRST THING BEFORE I START, I NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND IT SAID PROPOSED HEIGHT, IT SAID TWO STORIES. 35 FEET. IN THE SLED, I SAW TWO STORIES.

REQUIREMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PROPOSE TO

MEET. >> SO, FIRST, JUST TALKING ABOUT VARIANCES, I ALSO HAD A VISCERAL REACTION WHEN I SAW THE VARIANCES. I WAS ANNOYED. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO RECOGNIZE THE UNIQUENESS. AND WHEN I APPRECIATE IS THE FACT THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY -- YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY WENT ONE BY ONE, LOT BY LOT AND ONLY ASKED FOR WHAT YOU NEEDED, VERSUS ] THAT WAS GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT. I STILL DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. THE OTHER PIECE -- AND I'M JUST USING AVERAGES BECAUSE I LIKE TO PLAY WITH NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE AT, SO I TOOK THE 80 FEET, TIMES YOUR 52 HOUSES, AND I CAME UP WITH 4160. AND I'M SAYING THIS FOR UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I LIKE IT.

AND I TOOK THE NUMBERS YOU PROVIDED , THE VARIANCES OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES. SOME OF THE AVERAGES. IT CAME OUT TO ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE. SO I KIND OF APPRECIATED THAT PIECE OF IT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. IT MAKES SENSE TO MY HEAD, SO I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE VARIANCES.

>> CAN I COMMENT ON THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND?

>> LOGAN POINTED THIS OUT TO ME. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I FAILED TO REFERENCE, BUT THE WAY THE VARIANCES ARE MEASURED IS FROM THE SETBACK LINE. WE ARE 70 OR 72 OR WHATEVER WE HAPPEN TO BE, BASED ON THE WAY THE CODE REQUIRES THE MEASUREMENT. BUT THESE LOTS GET WIDER AND THICKER, SO WE ARE TELLING YOU, PROBABLY THE NUMBERS HE DID WERE BASED ON THE WAY THE NUMBERS WERE COUNTED, BUT MOST OF THESE LOTS, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, THEY ARE NOT ALL STRAIGHT. THEY DO THIS IN A LOT OF WAYS. SOME ARE LARGER PIES. SOME OF THE LOT WIDTHS -- THE WHOLE WIDTH. THE AVERAGE WIDTH IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT

YOU ARE REFERENCING. >> ALL THAT TO SAY I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE IT. I CAN PROBABLY GET OVER IT MORE THAN THE OTHER ITEM THAT IS REALLY BOTHERING ME, THE TWO STORY PROJECT.

DEVELOPMENT THAT IS FULLY TWO STORIES, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I DROVE THROUGH

HOME. >> SURE, SURE.

>> THAT BOTHERS ME FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE. I HAVE SEEN THE TURNPIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS. IT JUST LOOKS TERRIBLE. SO NOT JUST THE AESTHETICS, BUT I LOOK AT THE FOLKS OVER IN BAY COVE, WHICH ARE SMALLER LOTS, PROBABLY SMALLER HOMES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE ONE STORY, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE VARIANCES IN -- SO, YOU MAKE IT SMALLER. YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD ON IT, THE TWO STORY. IN MY MIND, IT IS GOING TO CREATE THIS FRONT OF BAY COVE, AND TO HIS POINT, THERE WAS A GOLF COURSE AND LUSH GREENERY, AND NOW YOU

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>> THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST ADD, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT A ONE STORY OPTION. IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO AT LEAST LOOK AT IT.

THAT REQUIRES CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO IT AT SOME POINT.

MAYBE IT COMES UP AT CAV. WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES. I THINK I AM AWARE OF THE ONE INSTANCE YOU ARE REFERENCING OFF OF THE TURNPIKE. I THINK IT IS A PROJECT I WORKED ON ZERO BLOODLINES WITH FIVE FOOT SETBACKS BETWEEN HOMES. SO YEAH. TWO STORIES. LOOKS LIKE A KEVIN. 10 FOOT SETBACK. MINIMUM. 10 FOOT SETBACK FOR EACH LEOPARD YOU CAN ALMOST SEE IT ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU.

I DON'T DISAGREE. I WANTED UNDERSTOOD, BUT BOTH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT AND MAYBE IT IS SHARED BY OTHERS. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. THAT IS WHY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN HOMES AND THEIR TWO STORIES, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE THAT CAVERNOUS EFFECT, IF IT ENDED UP MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING APPROVED THAT WAY. TO BE VERY CLEAR, WE GET IT. AND WE ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE BETTER INFORMATION FOR YOU WITH THE ONE STORY OPTION.

>> TO PUT A PIN ON IT, MY POINT THERE IS ALSO, IF WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER COMMUNITY TO HERON BAY, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE COMMUNITIES IN AN ONE. THAT IS THE POINT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. DEREK.

>> NOT TO BELABOR EVERYTHING. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS MR. KAPLAN AND MR. LAZOWICK. LET ME PREFACE THIS, TOO. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB. TOLL BROTHERS. I'M A FAN OF WHAT THEY BUILT.

I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT. I GET THE INCREASING PERCENTAGE . IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE. MOST HOMEOWNERS WILL DO IT ANYWAY.

IT IS MORE CONVENIENT TO DO IT WITH THE BUILDER. SAME WITH THE LOT. YOU HAVE PIE AND REVERSE PIE.

SAY, I GET WHY YOU NEED IT. YOU SAID YOU WERE CUSTOM DESIGNING THESE HOMES. THESE AREN'T STANDARD TEMPLATE HOMES THAT THEY ARE USING FOR MODELS. SO, WHY COULDN'T YOU DESIGN IT TO FIT WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS OR EVEN JUST DOING SIMPLE MATH AND GOING TO 70 FOOT PLOTS AND THERE ARE 20 FOOT HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU KNOW, TAKING THOSE DOWN. JUST BY REMOVING TWO HOMES, YOU DO NOT NEED THAT VARIANCE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.

SO DOING THE MATH , YOU MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MID 40S , WHICH, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. JUST FROM A, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID -- JUST CRUNCHING SOME NUMBERS AND DOING SOME QUICK MATH. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT MANY. MAYBE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID.

WITH THOSE SETBACKS, IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE TWO. THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. I THINK OVERALL, IT IS A GREAT JOB. NICE JOB

WITH THE VARIANCES. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SEE IF YOU CAN GRAB THE MIC. IT IS BEING RECORDED. THANK

YOU. >> APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION, ANN SCOTT ALSO, AS FAR AS THE DETAILS. WITH RESPECT TO THE DAYS, I'M IN AGREEMENT. IDEALLY, YOU DON'T WANT VARIANCES. ESPECIALLY WHERE THE CITY WENT THROUGH A VERY LONG PROCESS IN REVISING THE CODE. I LOVE THE PROJECT. I WOULD RECOMMEND MORE BUFFER IF POSSIBLE ALONG THE PRIVATE AISLE. ALSO, IN THE BACKYARDS, TO SCREEN OLDE BROOKE AND BAY COVE PRINT TO GIVE THEM PRIVACY. I THINK IF YOU SCREEN

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YOU. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. A COUPLE OF POINTS OF INFORMATION. WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES. JUST A REMINDER. THAT VARIANCES -- AND I FULLY COMPLEMENT THE APPLICANT AND STAFFS INPUT AND REVIEWS. AND I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES, JUST TO POINT OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS -- THEY NOTE IT'S IN THE CODE. THEY CANNOT BE BASED ON MONETARY ISSUES.

VARIANCES CAN BE BASED ON ISSUES THAT ARE SELF-IMPOSED.

AND THEY CAN ALSO BE BASED ON -- THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS OF CRITERIA. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER -- EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS POINTED OUT -- AND IT IN FACT IS -- WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP THE DOORS TO ANOTHER AND THE NEXT DEVELOPER TO USE THE VARIANCE IF THEY ARE SO INDEED APPROVED TO OPEN THE FLOODGATES TO PEOPLE PROPOSING TO DO PROJECTS AND OBTAIN VARIANCES FROM OUR CITY. ANOTHER POINT IS , WITH RESPECT TO THE ANALYSIS OF THE TWO STORY ISSUE, JUST REMEMBER, FUNDAMENTALLY, THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. SO IF IT IS VIEWED AMONGST THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AND SO FORTH, TO MAKE SURE THERE IS THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. AND THERE IS THE ANTI-MONOTONY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. THAT IS IMPORTANT, AS WELL. I'M SURE YOU ALREADY LOOKED AT IT. WHETHER IT HAS TO DO WITH ANY OF THE UNDULATION BETWEEN ONE AND TWO STORY HOMES. I KNOW THAT PART OF IT WAS THREE IN A ROW. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE ONE VERSES TWO STORY, OR THREE RIGHTS AND THREE LEFTS, WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONT ELEVATIONS.

>> SAID BUILDING HEIGHT IS NOT A CONTEMPLATED REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THE ANTI-MONOTONY. IT IS THE OVERALL ELEVATIONS AND THE OVERALL STYLE, AS WELL AS THE MODELS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE USED. SO THEY WOULD IN THEORY BE ABLE TO MEET ANTI-MONOTONY WITH ALL TWO STORY, ALT ONE STORY PRODUCT.

THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR DIFFERENTIATION.

>> GOTCHA. >> I MIGHT BE READING OR INTERPRETING SOMETHING INCORRECTLY. WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE PLAN, SB 2024 -- ITEM 1, CONSISTENCY IN HARMONY WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, NO SITE PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED UNLESS THE SITE PLAN IS COMPATIBLE AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED HEREIN WITH ADJACENT ZONING AND LAND-USE PLANNING DESIGNATIONS AND APPROVED PLATS. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING AND HAS A PLAT BEING PROCESSED, WITH OF THE SITE PLAN, IS IT BEING DONE CONCURRENTLY, OR DOES THE PLOT HAVE TO BE DONE AND RECORDED BEFORE THE SITE PLAN CAN BE APPROVED? IF THIS IS IN FACT PART OF THE CODE SECTION.

>> THE APPLICATION'S TO THE CITY ARE BEING PROCESSED CONCURRENTLY. ULTIMATELY, IF THE PLAT IS APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY FOR THE COUNTY APPROVAL. FROM TIME TO TIME, WE HAVE APPLICANTS, IN THAT ASK FOR AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SO THEY CAN PULL PERMITS AFTER THE COUNTY PULLS THE PLOT, BUT PRIOR TO THEM RECORDING IT.

>> THEY DO IT AT THEIR OWN RISK.

>> BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE BOARD, I WILL OPEN THE MEETING -- THE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS UP -- OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. HOW MANY PEOPLE -- BY RAISING YOUR HAND IF YOU DON'T MIND -- ARE INTENDING TO SPEAK? I SEE ONE INDIVIDUAL. WE WON'T BELABOR

THAT. >> WHEN YOU ARE DONE SPEAKING, I NEED YOU TO SIGN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THAT SHEET.

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>> PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS ELLIOTT ROTHBERG. I LIVE IN HERON BAY AND I SECRETARY ON THE HERON BAY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT IN AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWING HERE. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD HERE. I JUST WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. FIRST IS THAT BUFFER ON THE SOUTHERN END BETWEEN THE VILLAGE AND THE HOMES. WE HAVE BEEN I GUESS YOU COULD SAY ADAMANT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT WATER CONNECTED BETWEEN THE TWO CANALS . THIS NATURAL BARRIER -- BECAUSE PUTTING UP A WALL WITH SOME LANDSCAPING IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE A DETERRENT TO PEOPLE ENTERING FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, AND AFFECTING THE SECURITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE HERON BAY PROPERTY. ONCE YOU ARE IN, YOU ARE IN. SO THAT IS THE WHAT. HOW IT HAPPENS, WHETHER IT COMES OUT OF THE LAND THAT TOLL BROTHERS HAS, OR THE LAND THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND SUCH, BUT AT SOME POINT, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WATER CONNECTION ACROSS THERE. THE OTHER CONCERN IS -- AND I THINK MR. ROGERS HAD SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF HERON BAY AND IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT FITS IN HERON BAY. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, OLDE BROOKE HAS 85 TO 90 FOOT WIDTHS. SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE 75 TO 80 , AND ALSO, ALL TWO STORIES. SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE IS -- IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE SORT OF A MONOTONOUS LOOK. IT IS A MIX OF ONE AND TWO STORY. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE BUFFER OF LANDSCAPING ON THE BACKSIDE. THOSE HOMES ARE BOUGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S ON THE GOLF COURSE. BUT AT LEAST TRY TO RESPECT SOME OF THE VIEW THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. AND ALSO, THE SETBACK -- ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR IN TERMS OF ANY CONSIDERATION WAS IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TWO STORIES , AND A CUTBACK ON THE SETBACK ON THE SIDES, THE GRASS IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFICULTY GROWING. I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THOSE ISSUES.

>> SPEAK INTO THE MIC PLEASE. >> I THINK WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF THOSE ISSUES IN PARKLAND BAY, AND SOME OF THE HOMES WHERE YOU HAVE TWO STORY HOMES ALL STACKED UP. AND THE SETBACKS WERE REDUCED, AND WHAT IS HAPPENING . WE DON'T NEED TO CONTINUE TO REPEAT MISTAKES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST.

THESE LOTS I BELIEVE ARE DEEPER . YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE BY HAVING A HOUSE THAT GOES MORE FORWARD AND BACK. YOU DON'T NEED TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDES. YOU CAN GAIN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, FRONT TO BACK. THAT IS

A THOUGHT I HAVE ON THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

COMMENTS. >> ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? WERE THERE ANY EMAILS OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION? TO STAFF, WITH RESPECT TO ANY INPUT?

>> NO COMMENTS. >> AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION AND I THINK SOME OTHERS HAD SOME QUESTIONS. JORDANA. WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE AGAIN.

YEAH. SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED APPROVING THAT AS SUBMITTED, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ALL APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU

TONIGHT. >> THAT, TO ME, IS QUITE

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>> AND REVIEWING THE JUSTIFICATION STUFF. THEY FELT THAT THE FIVE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 4, APPROVING THE VARIANCE, WERE MET FOR EACH OF THE THREE REQUESTS, GIVEN THE COMBINATION OF THE UNIQUE PROPERTY SHAPE AND SOME OF THE OTHER HARDSHIPS THAT THEY OUTLINED, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OFFSETTING COMBINATIONS THAT ARE LOCKED UP, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON PRINT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE APPLICANT'S ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS OURS.

>> ALEX, ANYTHING FURTHER? >> JUST TO ADD ON TO THE VARIANCES, JUST SO YOU KNOW, JUST ONE MORE MEMORY -- YOU ALL HEARD FROM ALL OF US. FOR ME, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, THE SIDE SETBACK IS ALSO MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- I AM ONE VOTE HERE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US TABLE THIS, HAVE COME BACK WITH ANOTHER PLAN, DOES THE LOT COVERAGE. THE LOT WITH I WOULD SAY IS MY SECOND CONCERN IN THIS. I DO KNOW HOW IT IS MEASURED. I THINK IF WE MET THE SITE SETBACKS, AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT LOT WITH AND LOT COVERAGE, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THERE ON THE VARIANCES.

TONY, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU ARE EVER NOT UP FOR SENDING SOMETHING TO COMMISSION WITHOUT US TAKING A GOOD HARD LOOK AT IT. I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT TONIGHT. OF LET THE COMMISSION FIGURE THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO GIVE OUR

RECOGNITION. >> IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANT TO GIVE YOU THE CHRONOLOGY OF HOW THIS ALL STARTED. I MENTIONED IN MY COMMENTS THAT THIS IS NOT A BUILDER WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY WHO SAID, I WANT TO BUILD THIS, AND GIVE IT TO ME, OR I'M GOING TO BUILD THAT INSTEAD. WE HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE. THE CITY WAS THE OWNER.

THEY GOT WITHHELD THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I'M SENSITIVE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT MR. BACCA MAN AND HIS GROUP GOT WITH THE STAFF, AND GUIDED A PATH RELATING TO ALL OF THIS. I CERTAINLY JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN BY COINCIDENCE, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT, AND AND THE REASON, YOU KNOW, I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT -- I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES I BROUGHT UP. AND WHEN THIS GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THEY CAN DEAL WITH THOSE VARIANCES WHICH, IN MY VIEW, ARE FOR THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER. THAT IS MY

POSITION ON ALL OF THAT. >> IT WAS ME THAT MADE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS TONIGHT THAT THE CITY REQUESTED 52 UNITS. THEY WANTED 52 UNITS. IT WAS 52 UNITS WAS THE MAX. IT WAS NOT REQUESTED. YOU SHALL PUT 52 UNITS ON.

>> I WASN'T GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU. WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETED WITH YOUR COMMENTS, I WAS GOING TO INTERRUPT OUR BOARD WITH COMMENTS TO RECOGNIZE JOHNSON PLACE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS. I KEPT HEARING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE WORK WE HAVE DONE RELATED TO CO-CHANGES. THIS IS ABOUT DRAINAGE. DRAINAGE AND DRIVEWAY. I'VE HEARD NO MENTION OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE ON DRAINAGE AND DRIVEWAY. THEY ARE ACTUALLY INSTALLING THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE. YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY AND WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD. IT IS A PART OF THIS PLAN. WE ARE OVERLOOKING THIS. THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE INTENTION

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>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WERE YOU COMPLETED?

>> YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WAS NEVER A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO PUT 52 UNITS. THAT WAS JUST A MAXIMUM NUMBER.

>> THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> ANYTHING FURTHER?

>> I DID CHECK OUT OUR ANTI-MONOTONY CODE. THEY SAID IT IS NOT SPECIFIED , BUT IT DOES SAY IT IS NOT LIMITED TO ARCHITECTURAL STYLE , ARCHITECTURAL ACCENT ELEMENTS, MASKING, SETBACK, BUILDING ELEVATION, AND TEXTURE, AND LANDSCAPE. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO I DON'T KNOW IF MESSING HELPS US WITH THAT . IF THAT ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER HEIGHT FOR THOSE THAT HAD THE TWO STORY CONCERNS. BUT IT IS NOT LIMITED TO. THAT OPENS THE DOOR, I WOULD THINK.

>> MASSING IS -- SORRY. JEAN LET ME KNOW THAT THE MICROPHONE ONLY WORKS IF YOU TILTED PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR, APPARENTLY. MASSING IS IF YOU TAKE YOUR PLATO BALL AND YOU MOVE IT AROUND IN 3-D. IT IS EVERYTHING FROM THE UNDULATION FORWARD AND BACKWARDS OFF OF YOUR MAIN BUILDING LINE. IT IS HOW IT MEETS THE GROUND, BUT ALSO, HOW IT TAKES SHAPE AS IT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND. IT WOULDN'T JUST BE HEIGHT. IT IS OVERALL FORM, AS YOU LOOK INTO IT AND A VOLUMETRIC 3-D FORM, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HEIGHT. HEIGHT COULD BE ONE COMPONENT OF MASSING, BUT IT IS THE IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING PLANS

AND EVERYTHING. >> BUT TO GO WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS HERE, I'M NOT OPPOSED -- IN THE SPORT HAS DONE IN THE PAST, IF THERE IS A WAY TO SANDWICH THIS IN FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, MEETING, THAT IS COMING, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REVIEW IT AGAIN.

. WE KNOW THERE WERE HOMES COMING HERE. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OH MY GOD. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT A CODE COMPLIANT SITE LOOKS LIKE. I LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT WITH A LOT OF HOMES PACKED IN. WE HAVE CHANGED THE CODE. FIVE LESS HOMES, WHILE I AGREE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS, THEY CAN'T % FIGURE IN THE DOLLAR VALUE. THE VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED FOR A DOLLAR VALUE. IT KIND OF OPENS THE DOOR ON IT TO USE THAT PHRASE AGAIN. THANK YOU.

>> ANTHONY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THAT ISSUE I MENTIONED. IT'S FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HERON BAY.

IT IS RELATED TO THE TWO STORIES.

SPOKEN ABOUT THE VARIANCES. I WILL BE SUPPORTING ALL THREE OF THESE.

>> BY THE WAY, GOING UP AND BACK TWICE. IT IS NOT A PRACTICE I NORMALLY DO, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE COMMENTS I'M HEARING, I JUST FELT LIKE IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT TO HEAR THE COMMENTS , HOWEVER THE SENSE OF THIS

EVENING, SO FOR THE RECORD. >> I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT I DID SAY I DID NOT LIKE THE VARIANCES. BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE -- AND I AM PRETTY PASSIVE ON THIS DAIS BUT THIS IS A NEAT SITUATION. IT IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF LAND. YOU TELL YOUR CHILD YOU CAN'T STAY UP PAST 11 THIS THEY WILL PROBABLY STAY LATER.

IT IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST 11:00. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, THEY HAVE DONE WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO. WE HAVE HAD MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING. AND I'M SURE THERE WAS A PARTNERSHIP HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, OF STAFF WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS. I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE ON TRYING TO GET ANOTHER LOT OR TO . THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I

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I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT GET RID OF THE PIECE OF LAND AND MAKE THE WATER AROUND THERE. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL, OR THAT WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS OR DECISION-MAKERS ON. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AGAIN. I DON'T LIKE IT, SOME OF IT, BUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THAT IS WHEN YOU APPROVE THE VARIANCE. THAT IS HOW I FEEL. SO.

>> GREAT. >> I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT EVERYONE SAID. LIKE THEY SAID BEFORE, SPEAKING WITH THE PUBLIC, MY ONLY ISSUE IS THE VARIANCE ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSES. I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE THAT ISSUE. EVERY HOUSE HAS BASICALLY GRAVEL IN BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR DAYLIGHT TO GET IN IT. IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING IN THERE. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE MONOTONY OF HOUSES, I DON'T THINK IT IS OUR PLACE TO DICTATE . IF SOMEONE IS COMING TO BUY A HOME AND THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON IT, WE CAN'T TELL THEM WHAT MODEL THEY HAVE TO BUY OR CANNOT BUY. IT IS A LOT THEY PURCHASED. IT HAS THAT NEXT TO IT. THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GET A DIFFERENT ELEVATION OR DIFFERENT FINISHES OR COLOR ON THEIR HOUSE TO KEEP THE MONOTONY, BUT, I, AND WATERCRESS, THERE IS A STREET THAT HAS LITERALLY 12 OF THE SAME HOUSES NEXT TO EACH OTHER ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET. BUT THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. TO ME, THAT IS NOT REALLY THE ISSUE. BUT I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK

YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER? CAITLIN?

>> JUST TO REITERATE, I LIKE THIS PROJECT. I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BUFFER LANDSCAPING TO GET MORE PRIVACY TO THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. TO OLDE BROOKE AND BAY COVE. IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TOLL TO GO BACK AND REASSESS THE TWO STORIES AND SEE IF YOU CAN IMPLEMENT A COUPLE OF SINGLE STORIES, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.

>> KAYLEN, IS IT HERE IN BAY -- I BELIEVE IT IS -- WHERE THE KEY WEST METAL ROOF POD PROJECT IS? ALL THE ROOFS ARE METAL.

>>

WEST STYLE HOMES? IN ONE -- >>

>> THERE IS ONE COMMUNITY. >> I'M NOT REMEMBERING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS ALL METAL ROOFS.

>> I THINK IT IS HERE IN BAY. >> I'LL LOOK INTO IT. I'M NOT

SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> THE POINT IS -- THE POINT IS TOLL BROTHERS IS PUTTING OUT A PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY -- ONCE IT IS APPROVED FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS COME AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE AT THAT NUMBER OF HOMES, WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE VARIANCES ON THAT -- THEY ARE IN THE POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO MARKET IT AND SELL IT. SO I THINK, GIVEN THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE STATURE OF THE DEVELOPER, I THINK THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHEN THEY GET BUILT, THEY HAVE TO SELL THEM. OR THEY HAVE TO SELL THEM IN ORDER TO BUILD THEM. BUT I DO THINK THAT OUR BOARD HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF VETTING WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE US. AS THE CITY COMMISSION DOES, I KNOW AND HOPE THAT THEY WILL -- OR NO AND HOPE THAT THEY WILL TAKE OUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. IT IS NOT A STAGNANT PROCESS. IT'S NOT OVER YET. SO. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THIS EVENING?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> ANTHONY. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON

THE ITEMS SEPARATELY. >> GREAT. YOU ARE GOING TO START WITH ITEM -- THE REZONING.

>> SURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

MOTION. >> FOR REASONING, TONY?

>> FIRST ITEM IS ITEM B. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

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1 TO CITY OF PARKLAND RS3. >> SECOND. SECONDED BY JORDANA.

CAN I RETRACT ONE THING? MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE STAFF

CONDITIONS, PLEASE. >> OR MAYBE THERE AREN'T.

>> WE WILL DO TO THE SITE PLAN.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE AGENDA ITEMS AND THE BACKUPS AND THE ORDINANCES, THEY ARE IN THE BODIES OF THE LEGISLATIVE.

>> GOT IT. OKAY. >> THEY WERE SECONDED BY JORDANA. CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE.

>> JORDANA GOLDSTEIN. >> YES.

>> JOEL KAPLAN. >> YES.

>> MURRAY ZWEIG. >> YES. THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 -049 , APPROVING PLAT FOR APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES OF LAND.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> SECONDED BY TODD. CALL FOR

THE VOTE, PLEASE. >> BUD ROGERS.

>> YES. >> DEREK BIXBY.

>> MURRAY ZWEIG. >> YES.

>> DID IT CARRY? >> YES. 4-3.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> YES. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 MINUS 44, APPROVING SITE PLAN AND FRANCIS

452 SINGLE HOMES. >> SECONDED BY TODD. MOTION WAS BY ANTHONY. CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE.

>> JORDANA GOLDSTEIN. >> I'LL SAY YES.

>> ALEX LAZOWICK. >> NO.

>> JOEL KAPLAN. >> NO.

>> TODD ROGERS.

>> IF I CAN COME OUT TO TAKE THE TIME TO SAY THANK YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, A GOOD AND INFORMED DISCUSSION. THERE IS A LOT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT, AND IT IS IMPORTANT. THIS ISN'T OVER.

RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THINGS AND TAKE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT INTO CONSIDERATION, AND

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. WE WILL SEE YOU

AGAIN. CAITLIN. COMMENTS? >> JUST TWO. JEAN HAS BEEN IN TOUCH REGARDING THE JULY 11TH PNZ MEETING. WE WILL BE BACK HERE SHORTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD APPLICATION THAT WAS LANDSCAPE CODE. THANK YOU.

THAT IS CORRECT. >> NOT SO MUCH THE ENTRANCEWAY, BUT THE MODEL HOMES THEMSELVES.

>> THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. MOST LIKELY, THROUGH A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, OR POTENTIALLY THROUGH A CALL UP APPLICATION, DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS PROCESSED, BUT AT THIS POINT, THAT IS CONCEPTUAL, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS ABOUT DIMENSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. FOR THE COMMUNITY ENTRY, THAT'S CORRECT.

>>

>> THEY MAY HAVE PUT OUT A PRELIMINARY STARTING NUMBER,

BUT THAT WAS ALSO A YEAR AGO. >> IT WAS A WHILE AGO.

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>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY SAID 1.3.

>> IT WAS MORE THAN THE 3.75 THEY ARE PAYING.

>> JORDANA. MR. CHAIRMAN -- >> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME JORDANA TO OUR GROUP. THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER

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THAT DOES OCCUR. YOU KNOW, THE CODES ARE -- YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE UP FOR INTERPRETATION, WHETHER SOMEBODY SELF-IMPOSED THEMSELVES RELATING TO A VARIANCE. YOU CAN READ THE RULE , AND I COULD READ IT AND GO, NO, THEY HAVE THEM POST THIS ON THEMSELVES. YOU CAN READ IT AND SAY OTHERWISE. SO DISAGREEING WITH STAFF, AND STAFF IS GREAT. FANTASTIC. LOVE THEM TO DEATH.

INCREDIBLE JOB. THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH THEM, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AFRAID TO DISAGREE WITH THEM.

BUT YES. >> HE LIVES IN THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS ALL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

>> JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT. WE CAN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF IT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN. IT ALL LAYS IN THE BUCKET OF, IT IS JUST A DISAGREEMENT, AND WE MOVE ON FROM THERE, AND THE STAFF DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB.

SO DOES THE CITY MANAGER, AND SODAS -- SO DOES

>> IT IS GOING TO BE FOR EVERYBODY, JUST IN CASE. IN TRYING TO -- I THINK MAKING THAT WATER BUFFER IS A SMART IDEA. WILL THE APPLICANT -- IT'S NOT PART OF THIS SITE PLAN, BUT WILL THE APPLICANT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR THAT? DOES THAT GO TO WATER MANAGEMENT?

>> I WILL TAKE THIS. >> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE WATER CREATION , AND THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO NSID. THERE IS A PROTECTED RESERVE AREA IN THAT LOCATION THAT MAKES IT TRICKY TO GO THROUGH THE WATERWAY.

>> GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. >> IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

>> I ALSO WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT AS PART OF OUR COMMERCIAL PARCEL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HOA THAT ON THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, WE HAVE TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER BEYOND THE CODE TO BUFFER THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL. YOU ARE GETTING THIS ADDITIONAL BUFFER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND YOU GET SOMETHING SIMILAR N THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

>> FROM A SECURITY ASPECT -- THE SPEAKER --'S COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO MAKING IT AN ISLAND

>> WE ARE MAKING IT AS HARD AS WE NEED TO. WE COULD GET AN

ELECTRIC FENCE. >> THERE IS WATER ON BOTH SIDES. THERE IS THE BUFFER. THERE IS THE WALL. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS ON OUR SIDE.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE A WALL AROUND THE WHOLE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. PEOPLE CAN STILL PENETRATE THROUGH.

>> JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENTS. YOU

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