[1. Call to Order]
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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND MONDAY, JUNE 17TH, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.
>>I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4.A. Strategic Planning Follow-Up and Direction]
>> WE HAVE THE REGULAR AGENDA IN THIS MEETING. WE HAVE THE
STRATEGIC PLANNING FOLLOW-UP. >> FROM STRATEGIC PLANNING, WE HAD TO REGROUP AND GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO GET BACK TO YOU AND GET PROPER DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE WILL BE GOING OVER ¿ WE WILL BE GOING OVER. AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON THE RULES AND POLICIES FOR COMMISSION ON HOW TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. THAT WILL BE THE LAUGHINGLY TALK ABOUT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. THE FIRST ITEM IS GOLF CART ON PINE ISLAND. I WILL HAVE ALICE.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. I WILL BE PROVIDING THE DATE FOR PINE ISLAND GOLF CART PILOT PROGRAM. JUST TO RECAP THE STRATEGIC PLANNING. THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED THE SIDEWALK PILOT ON PINE ISLAND. THIS WAS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS SELECTED AS OPPOSED TO REDUCING SPEED LIMITS AND ALLOWING GOLF CART ON ROAD. THE PROPOSED PILOT IS TO WIDEN THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO EIGHT FEET WIDE ON PINE ISLAND , WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE USE OF GOLF CART ALONGSIDE PEDESTRIAN. IF SUCCESSFUL, THE PILOT PROGRAM WOULD LEAD TO OTHER SIDEWALKS WITHIN PARKLAND TO BE USED FOR GOLF CARTS AS WELL. WE WERE TASKED WITH THE INITIAL -- OF BROWARD COUNTY AS WELL AS PROVIDE AN ANTICIPATED COST. ACTION ITEMS IN PROGRESS, PARKLAND ENGINEERING HAS CONDUCTED AND COORDINATED WITH BROWARD -- PRIOR TO -- AN ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE. BROWARD COUNTY COMMISSION ON JUNE 18TH, TOMORROW, WILL BE DISCUSSING AN ITEM TO DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE ALONG WITH THE CITY OF PARKLAND . WE HAVE ALSO OBTAINED A PROPOSAL WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST. THESE ARE SOME CONCERNS WE HAD ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED AT STRATEGIC PLANNING. WHICH INCLUDE THE CONFLICT BETWEEN SIDEWALK USERS, INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS AND GOLF CART S. ADDITIONAL WEAR AND TEAR ON THE GRASS AT THE GOLF CART TO PULL OFF TO THE SIDE TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO PASS. AND POTENTIAL UTILITY CONFLICTS.
WHAT ITEM WE DID NOT DISCUSS WITH COMMUNITY ACCESS CROSSING.
AS PART OF THE PILOT, WE CHOSE TO WIDEN SIDEWALKS ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. SO IT CREATES A SITUATION WHERE COMMUNITIES ON THE OPPOSING SIDE WOULD NEED TO CROSS THE ROADWAY TO ACCESS THOSE SIDEWALKS. WHICH WILL INCLUDE NEEDING TO HAVE GOLF CART CROSSINGS AT THAT LOCATION. THE SPEED LIMIT RANGE FROM 30 TO 45. THE CONCERN WITH -- WOULD BE WITH HIGHER SPEEDWAYS, IT WOULD BE A CONCERN. FOR PINE ISLAND, YOU HAVE FOX RIDGE AND PARKLAND ISLAND COMMUNITY. THE YELLOW LINE IS THE PROPOSED WIDENING. FOR THE PARKLAND ISLES COMMUNITY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CROSS PINE ISLAND .
THIS IS JUST A CLOSER, ZOOMED IN AERIAL VIEW OF THAT CROSSING. TO THE EAST IS THE SIDEWALK WITH YELLOW. NEAR THE FOX RIDGE COMMUNITY. TO THE WEST IS OF PARKLAND ISLES . THE GOLF CART WOULD HAVE TO CROSS APPROXIMATELY SIX LANES. AND THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS CURRENTLY 45 MILES PER HOUR.
THIS IS AT THE GROUND-LEVEL VIEW OF WHAT THE CROSSING WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU WOULD BE ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THE GOLF CART WOULD BE CROSSING THOSE LANES OF TRAFFIC. THE ESTIMATED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION CROSS -- COST IS JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION. FOR NEXT STEPS, WE HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PILOT. WE NEED TO CONTINUE COORDINATION WITH BROWARD TO DRAFT THE COUNTY AND CITY ORDINANCE. WE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A SAFETY DETERMINATION
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FOR THE STATUTE FOR THE GOLF CART USE. WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE COORDINATING WITH THE BROWARD FOR PERMITS AND AGREEMENTS TO WIDEN BROWARD SIDEWALK. WE NEED TO FIND THE PROJECT, COMPLETE DESIGN, COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION. WE WOULD NEED TO CREATE A PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE SCHOOL ON THE NEW ORDINANCE. AND THEN WE CAN OPEN UP THE SIDEWALKS FOR GOLF CART USE.>> CAN YOU WILL BACK TO -- ONE MORE TIME?
>> SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, CONCURRENTLY. I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS UNTIL CONSTRUCTION. THEY WOULD NOT BE INDIVIDUAL STEPS, NECESSARILY.
>> ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES -- EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT MULTIMODAL FOR GRANT FUNDING. FOR A -- AND IT -- AN
>> THE $2 MILLION PRICE TAG, THAT WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION ON
THE SIDEWALKS ONLY? >> CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN.
>> AND IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE OTHER STEPS YOU HAVE ON HERE LIKE COPLETE SAFETY DETERMINATION PURSUANT TO CHAPTER316. YOU WILL HAVE TO HIRE SAFETY CONSULTANTS AND
DUE OUT -- ALL THAT STUFF. >> WE DO HAVE CAPACITY, I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN THE CAPACITY OF.
>> OKAY. AND IN REGARDS TO THE CROSSING ASPECTS THAT YOU POINTED OUT . OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS AND SAFETY ELEMENTS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN A GOLF CART CROSSING A SIX LANE ROAD WHERE THERE -- WHERE THERE ARE NO SIGNS OR TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE,
>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE COUNTY CONTROL THAT ROAD?
>> THEY DO, YET. >> IN TERMS OF LIABILITY, WE HAVE THE CITY WILL BY THE LIABILITY IN THE EVENT OF SOMETHING HAPPENING AT ONE OF THESE CROSSINGS WERE WE DO NOT
HAVE ANY SAFETY ISSUES? >> IN OUR EXPERIENCE, NORMALLY WHEN WE WANT TO DO SOME PROJECTS IN THE COUNTIES RIGHT AWAY, THEY USUALLY GIVE US THE GO-AHEAD. GENERALLY WANT US TO INDEMNIFY THEM FROM LIABILITY TO THE EXTENT ARISING FROM THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE APPROACHED THE COUNTY YET IN TERMS OF AN AGREEMENT. THEY HAVE TO PASS THE ORDINANCE FIRST. WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL LIKELY BE AN ASK FROM THE COUNTY.
>> I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT ? THIS IS A DISCUSSION. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK THE PRICE IS TOO STEEP. THE ASPECTS OF LIABILITY, SPEAKING FROM A PERSPECTIVE , PUTTING ON MY LAWYER HAD. THEY ARE PRETTY GREAT. GIVEN WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH KIDS RIDING AROUND IN THEIR GOLF CART AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DO NOT SEE IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PICK THAT UP.
>> NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, TOTALLY, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE PERMITTING CHILDREN TO DRIVE GOLF CART'S.
THIS WOULD BE LICENSE DRIVERS. WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE FOR THE STATUE NOW. YOU NEED TO BE LICENSED DRIVER TO BE DRIVING
GOLF CART'S. >> ON MY WAY HERE.
>> I AM LITERALLY SAYING TO YOU. ON MY WAY HERE THIS EVENING, FOUR KIDS IN A GOLF CART CROSSING HOLMBERG ROAD.
>> -- IT HAPPENED NOW. AGAIN, MY OPINION WOULD BE IF WE DID CONSIDER DOING THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE STRICT, NO TOLERANCE OF HOW GOLF CARTS ARE HANDLED AND WHO IS DRIVING.
>> CAN I ASK, IS THE LAW REQUIRING THE AGE LIMIT ON L
KNEE -- ANY GOLF CART? >> I AM NOT POSITIVE.
>> WHAT I WORRY IS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK THERE IS A GRAY AREA. WHEN IS NOT REGISTERED UP TO A CERTAIN SPEED -- I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY NOT ALLOWED.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU NEED A LICENSE NOW IF YOU'RE USING
THESE CARDS ON THE STREET. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
SIDEWALK. >> TO OPERATE A GOLF CART, YOU HAVE TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER. YOU HAVE TO BE 16 YEARS OF AGE
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OR OLDER AND LICENSED OR 18 OR ABOVE WITH A VALID I.D. CARD.>> EVEN IF IT IS ON THE SIDEWALK?
>> WELL, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE SIDEWALK. IF THEY ARE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
>> YES. >> LOOK, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WE HAD 10-YEAR-OLD STEEL -- STEAL A CAR AND DRIVE A CAR. IT IS NOT THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN, EVEN THE VEHICLE. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK THIS COULD POTENTIALLY ADD TO THE SAFETY. BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN BE RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THERE WOULD BE HARD CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU ARE DRIVING. IT WOULD BE, LOOK, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS. AND WE DO AN ORDINANCE, AND WE SAY, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ROOF. IF THERE ARE CHILDREN DRIVING GOLF CART WHEREVER, YOU WILL LOSE
YOUR LICENSE. >> THAT WILL NOT PROTECT THE CITY FROM LIABILITY. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE SUED. THERE ON
OUR SIDEWALK, WE WILL BE SUED. >> BUT IF OUR ORDINANCE SAYS, YOU CANNOT DRIVE, WE WOULD GET SUED NOW.
>> THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE THE LANDOWNER TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE SIDEWALK. THE REASON THEY DO THAT IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES A TREE ROOT THAT IS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY LIFTS THE SIDEWALKS AND CREATES ISSUES. THAT COULD HAPPEN AND CAUSE A GOLF CART TO
FLIP. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TODAY YOU SAW ONE PERSON DRIVING A GOLF CART , FOUR IN A GOLF CART, ALL KIDS. IS THE CITY RESPONSIBLE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN FROM A SAFETY FOR ACTIVE?
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT IS HAPPENING NOW. SO THIS ORDINANCE, IN MY OPINION, COULD POTENTIALLY GARNER ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES. COULD. I AM NOT TOTALLY SOLD ON THIS. I AM JUST TRYING TO WEIGH BOTH SIDES. I AM NOT FIGHTING
NECESSARILY FOR IT. I AM TORN. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ISSUE THAN. BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE STRETCH OF ROADWAY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK AND IT $2 MILLION. AND THAT IS TODAY. AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN. WE OBVIOUSLY MAINTAIN OUR SIDEWALKS. BUT NOW WITH THE PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING LIABILITY AND FORCED UPON US EVEN MORE SO, WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND WHEN WE DEAL WITH LIABILITY, UNDERSTAND IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. IF THE COUNTY GETS SUED, WE NOW HAVE TO INDEMNIFY THEM, WE HAVE TO STEP IN AND COVER ANY COSTS OR ATTORNEY'S FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE COUNTY, ET CETERA. NOTWITHSTANDING SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY OR THOSE OTHER ISSUES. AGAIN, WE ARE SPENDING $2 MILLION ON ONE LITTLE STRETCH OF ROADWAY OR A PILOT PROGRAM.
IF WE OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE CITY, IT IS GOING TO BE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
>> I THINK WE LOOKED AT IT MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS AROUND 15
MILLION, I THINK. >> FIVE I THINK.
>> IT WAS 15. >> HERE'S MY CHALLENGE, I AM CONFLICT TO THE. I SEE IT AS, WE HAVE GOT A PROBLEM NOW. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOLF CART, MORE MORE COMING IN THE CITY EVERY DAY. I DON'T SEE THEM BEING A BAD THING IF THERE OPERATED WITH POSSIBLY BY RESPONSIBLE, LICENSED ADULT. ICE SEE IT AS A SMALL TOWN FEEL. THE INITIAL DISCUSSION WAS, IF WE LOWER OUR SPEED LIMITS TO 35 MILES PER HOUR , FOR THE ONES THAT ARE 40 OR 45, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THIS. BECAUSE IT IS A LOW-SPEED VEHICLE, PROPERLY LICENSED AND INSURED, DRIVEN BY A LICENSED DRIVER, NO DIFFERENT THAN OPERATING A CAR ON THAT ROAD. I DON'T THINK IT INCREASES LIABILITY FOR THE CITY. YOU STILL MAY HAVE KIDS DRIVING THEM IMPROPERLY. YOU CANNOT CONTROL STUPID , TO SOME EXTENT. THEY CAN DRIVE A CAR, A DIRT BIKE THAT IS UNLICENSED. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST. THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT OR MAKE THEM ACROSS SATELLITE OR ANYTHING ELSE. I DO FEEL LIKE PUTTING OUR HEADS IN THE SAND ABOUT THE PROBLEM, IT WILL GET WORSE. AND MORE AND MORE KEEP ON COMING IN THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IS A $50,000,000.06, BUT WHETHER -- $15 MILLION FIX.
>> I AM DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE DRIVING NEXT TO ONE . I HARDLY
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SEE GOLF CART'S. IF WE LET IT, PEOPLE WOULD BE DRIVING ON THE ROADS, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DRIVING.>> THEY ARE ALLOWED NOW ON ANY ROAD THAT IS 35 OR UNDER. IF IT'S REGISTERED, TAGGED AND THEY HAVE A LICENSE.
>> THAT ONLY A HANDFUL OF ROADS AND HOURS RIGHT NOW. MY POINT IS, YOU ARE SEEING ONE OR TWO A WEEK.
>> THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SEEING ON THE SIDEWALK.
>> MY POINT IS, IF YOU LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU WILL SEE MORE. REALLY, FOR ME, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS UNIVERSITY AND MY HILL -- UNIVERSITY, I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN A TWO LANE WITH A GOLF CART. I FEEL A CAR HITTING A GOLF CART, THERE
WILL BE DEATH. >> I AGREE WITH BOTH YOUR PERSPECTIVE . OUR PROBLEM IS, WE ARE IN A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. WE ALL KNOW THERE IS AN ISSUE. IT IS SEEMINGLY NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL STOP DOING. KIND OF WANT TO ADDRESS IT. I ALSO THINK THE $2 MILLION PRICE TAG IS TOO SIGNIFICANT FOR JUST A PILOT PROGRAM. THE PILOT PROGRAM , REALISTICALLY, WE HAVE GLEANED INFORMATION FROM THAT, WE PROBABLY COULD GLEAM IT WITHOUT THE PILOT ITSELF. I EXPANDING THE SIDEWALKS TO EIGHT FEET, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO GAIN? THAT PEOPLE CAN TRAVERSE THE SIDEWALKS IN A WAY THAT IS AND MEANINGFUL, WHICH, MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, WE CAN MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WILL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE REALITY WITHOUT SPENDING $2 MILLION. I PERSONALLY THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A BIGGER DECISION. RATHER THAN SPENDING A $2 MILLION ON LET'S WAIT AND SEE, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON DO WE WANT GOLF CART IN OUR CITY OR NOT. ONCE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, THE OTHER STUFF HAS TO FLOW FROM IT. HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND ON THAT? THE $2 MILLION IS A STRONG MONEY INTO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT GONE FULL
HEARTED ON. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY ON THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT THE ORDINANCE -- >> THE ORDINANCE IS FREE.
>> ONCE WE PUT THE PILOT PROGRAM IN ACTION, WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE PEOPLE HANDLE IT. THAT I HAVE RECOUNTED HERE IS THE CHALLENGE. THE PILOT PROGRAM IS A CERTAIN SWATH OF THE SIDEWALK. EVEN PEOPLE TO GET TO THE PART WHERE THERE IS A PILOT PROGRAM, THEY WILL ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO BREAK THE LAW TO GET TO THAT LOCATION. IN SOME RESPECT.
YES, PEOPLE COMING FROM EVEN -- WILL HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET
AND DO IT ILLEGALLY. >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
WE WOULD HAVE TWO PUT SOME CROSSING --
>> IT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WE ARE ALMOST LIKE, SLIDING OUR WAY INTO FINDING A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK FOR WERE PAYING ONLY FOR A TEMPORARY, OR PARTIAL SOLUTION.
>> IT IS A BIG, WHAT WE WOULD BE OFFERING IN THIS PILOT PROGRAM AT -- WOULD BE A LARGE SWATH OF OUR COMMUNITY USING IT. BECAUSE YOU'RE HITTING PARK TRAILS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HARRIET HEIGHTS. WE WOULD BE DRIVING PEOPLE FROM THE WEDGE FROM THE COUNTRY CLUB, PARKLAND BAY.
>> A LARGE PERCENTAGE WOULD HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET.
>> WHILE WE ARE CALLING IT A PILOT PROGRAM, IT WOULD ENCOMPASS A LARGE SWATH OF OUR COMMUNITY.
>> IF YOU AGREE TO DO THIS PILOT PROGRAM, YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY LETTING THE GENIE OUT THE BOTTLE. YOU ARE ALL IN.
>> MILLION, SO WHAT. YOU WILL NOT DO THAT.
>> IF IT COST $30 MILLION TO DO THE WHOLE THING --
>> ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BY GOLF CART. IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT HAS GOLF CART, THEY WILL NOT WANT TO PUT THE GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE. YOU ARE REALLY OPENING YOURSELF
UP IN THAT SITUATION. >> I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SPEEDING CAMERAS. BUT I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE IS REDUCED. BUT IT MAY BE PART OF A BIGGER SOLUTION THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A COMPROMISE HERE, THAT MAY HAVE TO BE A PART OF IT. MAYBE THE PRICE TAG IS TOO GREAT. BUT THE COMPROMISES PEOPLE HAVE TO ACCEPT THERE IS ALREADY SOMEWHAT OF A SPEEDING CONCERN IN THE CITY. MAYBE YOU KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE DOWN AND FIND A WAY TO ACTUALLY HELP ALLEVIATE THE HEATING CONCERNS WHILE ALSO GIVING PEOPLE OTHER
MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. >> KEEP IN MIND, WE DO NOT
CONTROL THE SPEED LIMIT. >> WE COULD ADVOCATE.
>> IF THAT IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, THAT COULD BE
CHEAPER OR PRACTICAL. >> SPEAK TO THAT PROCESS?
>> YES, I AM LISTENING TO ALL OF THE CONVERSATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOME AROUND JUST HAIR ON
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HEIGHTS. THE MAJORITY OF THE SIDEWALK THERE ALREADY EIGHT FEET, IF WE WANT TO HOLD ON THE COST. TO THE POINT WE MADE EARLIER, IF YOU COMMIT, YOU COMMIT, AT SOME POINT THE $2 MILLION IS COMING. WE COULD DO LOW-IMPACT AT FIRST TO SEEWHAT'S GOING ON. >> PARKLAND GOLF IS EIGHT FEET.
>> PORTIONS OF NOT HILL -- WE HAVE ANY FEET SWATH AROUND THAT
SCHOOL. >> TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. -- HEIGHT TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGER PROBLEM AREAS THAT HAS SPURRED
THIS CONVERSATION. >> MEANING , PEOPLE WERE USING THEIR GOLF CART AND THERE WERE SOME FAMILIES WHO WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAFE THE OF HAVING GOLF CART WITH THEIR
>> RIVERWAYS CAN OPERATE AN LSV . THERE ARE 35 AND UNDER.
>> THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY ONE.
>> ALL OF THE FOLKS SOUTH OF RIVER GLADES -- WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT. TO ME, I AM CERTAINLY NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT. THE NOTION OF LOWERING OUR SPEED LIMITS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY TO 35, I DON'T VIEW IT AS BEING OUT OF THE REALM OF REASONABILITY. I DO NOT KNOW IT WOULD AFFECT TRAFFIC MUCH .
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GOING UNDER 35 ANYWAY. THEY ARE BUMPER-TO-BUMPER. TO ME, THAT IS THE SIMPLEST FIX, IF YOU WILL ON ALL THIS. AND THEN DO WHAT YOU WOULD DO UNDER THE LAW. YOU ARE AN LSP, YOU HAVE YOUR LICENSE AND REGISTRATION, THAT MAY CUT DOWN ON KIDS DRIVING. EVERYONE HAS TO GET AN
LSV. >> THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WE HAVE IN AN ORDINANCE.
LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT -- DRIVING NEXT TO THREE GOLF
CARTS ON THE ROAD. >> WELLINGTON DID THIS. THEY ARE RETROFITTING. I GET IT, THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE MORE SPACE. I HAVE NOT GONE UP THERE. I AM CURIOUS HOW THEY
RETROFITTED. >> A LOT OF THEIR INTERNAL STREETS , THE ONLY. THEY LOWERED THEIR STREET LIMITS TO
OKEECHOBEE ? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT
THEM ALL OVER. >> THOSE INTERNAL STREETS ARE
TWO-LANE ROADS, BY THE WAY. >> THEIR SORT OF LIKE
HILLSBORO. >> DID THEY ANTICIPATE IN THE
BUILDING? >> IT'S A RETROFIT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. THEY SAW THE SAME THING WE DID.
ALL OF THE HORSE PEOPLE. EVERYONE WAS HAVING GOLF CART ALL OVER. IN THE SUBURBS, IF YOU WILL, THEY HAVE ALL GOT GOLF CART OR GATORS OR WHATEVER. THEY HAVE BECOME "GOLF CART FRIENDLY". MAYBE THEY HAD SOME SIDEWALKS THAT WERE ALREADY EIGHT FEET. I THINK IT'S ALL SIDEWALK AND INTERNAL STREET RELATED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE BUT IT WAS A RETROFIT.
>> I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN OUR CITY WRITING BY HORSEBACK.
SUMMER ON THE SIDEWALK, SUMMER ON THE STREET. WHAT IS -- DOES
OUR ORDINANCE ALLOW? >> DIED WITH A HORSE.
>> I DON'T SEE THAT AS OFTEN. >> MY POINT IS, WE HAVE TO ABOUT IT . WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT.
>> TOUCANS POINT, -- TO KEN'S POINT , EVERYONE WOULD GET A GOLF CART. YOU WOULD HAVE BUMPER-TO-BUMPER TRAFFIC WITH GOLF CARTS. THAT IS WHY, FOR ME -- THEY WOULD BE REPLACING
CARS. >> IF THEY ARE ON THE STREET, THEY ARE. THE QUESTION IS? -- ONCE YOU START WHINING SIDEWALKS WITH A PILOT PROGRAM, YOU ARE SAYING, WE ARE COMMITTING TO THIS. IN THIS IS STAGE ONE OF 10 STAGES. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT IS ALL OVER THE CITY.
>> RIGHT, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY HAVING TO ADD ADDITIONAL BSO STAFF TO MONITOR.
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>> WHAT ARE OUR ULTIMATE GOALS? >> OF OUR GOALS ARE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY IN A GOLF CART, OUR GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE SPEEDING. WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING CAMERAS. IF THOSE ARE OUR GOALS, BOTH OF THOSE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THOSE OLD ART. WHETHER IT IS REDUCING THE SPEED AND WHETHER IT IS INCREASING THE SIDEWALK OR REDUCING THE BELOVED, WHATEVER. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS. EARLY SO MANY ALTERNATIVES A HOW TO -- OF HOW TO ACCOMPLISH IT. I THINK THE $2 MILLION INVESTMENT, I DON'T AGREE IT IS MONEY WELL SPENT. WHILE THE IDEA IS A GOOD ONE, THE AMOUNT IT TAKES TO EFFECTUATE IT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH FOR WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GAIN FROM THAT PILOT.
>> WHAT IS OUR PROCESS ON THE SPEEDING THING ANYHOW? WE HAVE
TO LOBBY -- >> WE HAVE TO LOBBY THIS ONE TOO. WITH WIDENING THE SIDEWALKS.
>> WE ALREADY TALKED TO COMMISSIONER EUGENE -- IT WILL PASS. THE COUNTY WILL ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE. WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT NOW, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE.
>> TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT? >> TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALK.
>> IN TERMS OF THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IS SPEED THAT HE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW IF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE THE LIMIT --
>> BASED ON THE SPEED TEST DONE BY --
>> I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE TRIED IT WITH -- AND THEY
DENIED THAT. >> -- ROAD IS UNIQUE. THAT IS A PREVIOUSLY NOT REALLY USED , INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL . I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL OR ACCESS ROAD --
>> FROM A PURE VEHICLE MOVEMENT, YOU COULD COMPARE TO
A UNIVERSITY OR NOT HILL -- >> THEIR COUNTY ROADS OR
TWO-LANE OR FOUR-LANE ROADS. >> WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO A SPEED STUDY? AS EVERYONE ELSE. 2 MILLION FOR A SMALL SWATH . AND IF WE ARE NOT COMMITTED TO DOING THE WHOLE PROJECT, WHY DO IT?
>> IF WE DO IS THE STUDY, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT DEPENDING ON
WHAT THE COST IS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE BSO'S WAY IN. MAYBE WE TALK LATER AND MAYBE ONE OR MORE OF US GOES AND SITS WITH OUR CITY FOLKS IN WELLINGTON AND SEES HOW THEY DID IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THEY
RETROFITTED. >> IS THE DIRECTION TO DO A SPEED STUDY TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE TO REDUCE THE SPEED ON
THE STREET? >> TO GET AN ESTIMATE.
>> THE COUNTY DOES IT FOR FREE. WE PAY FOR ONE IF WE WANT TO CHALLENGE WITH THE STUDY COMES BACK AS.
>> FREE SOUNDS GOOD. >> IT USUALLY TAKES ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, THERE IS A TIMING AS WELL. HAVING TO
WAIT FOR THAT VERY. >> OF COURSE, LET US ROOM THAT THE STUDY SAYS, YES. ARE YOU WANT TO SPEND $2 MILLION TO
YOUR PILOT PROJECT >> AGAIN, THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO COME BACK TO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE STUDY SAYS. THE CONVERSATIONS GOING TO COME BACK TO, DO WE WANT TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROADS? AND ALLOW GOLF CARTS TO BE ON THE ROADS? OR DO WE WANT GOLF
CART TO HAVE THEIR OWN? >> HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU WAVE THE WIND, ALL OF THE ROADS IN THE CITIES ARE 35 MILES PER HOUR UNDER NOW, UNDER THE FLORIDA STATE LAWS, I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN OPERATE ANY LOW-SPEED VEHICLE.
>> WOULD YOU BECOME TO ALLOWING --
>> WE SEE IT NOW IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES. AS LONG AS THEY
ARE LICENSED. >> AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE COMMUNITIES. I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS NECESSARILY HILLSBORO AND KNOTT HILL. ANY OTHER WROTE TO ME IS, WHATEVER.
THEY ARE NOT HEAVILY TRAVELED. NANCY SAID WE HAVE GOT TO WRAP
THIS UP. >> I JUST VIEWED AS SOPHIE'S
CHOICE. >> MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEE
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WHAT THE COST IS TO DO A SPEED THAT HE. STUDY.>> WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP ONCE WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
>> I THINK WERE ALL RELUCTANT WITH THE $2 MILLION PRICE TAG IF IT CREATES ADDITIONAL CONCERNS. WOULD LIKE TO CHIME I THE RIGHT TIME ON HOW THEY FEEL ON THAT. LET'S NOT DO THAT AT
THIS MOMENT. >> I THINK WE DID, WE ORIGINALLY HAD GONE WITH THE SIDEWALK . EVEN IN SOME OF THE PICTURES, THERE ARE OBSTACLES AND AREAS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE TRAVERSABLE BY A GOLF CART. MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BLESSINGS IN DISGUISE. MAYBE THE STREET IS PROBABLY A MORE SOUND ALTERNATIVE THAT WE DID NOT THINK OF IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE THE COST OF WIDENING SIDEWALKS.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD GET CLOSER ON.
>> NOT AT THE COUNTY DOES NOT REDUCE THE SPEED. THE STUDY IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE SPEED.
>> IF THE COUNTY KNOWS WHY WE ARE DOING THE SPEED STUDY, I THINK THERE'S HOPEFULLY SOME UNDERSTANDING.
>> THEY HAVE TO DO MATHEMATICS AND LOGISTICS.
>> I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR GOAL IS. WE ARE DOING IT FOR OUR SAFETY. THE REASON THEY ARE DOING IT
>> IF WE HAVE A SPEEDING PROBLEM, YOU DON'T LOWER THE
SPEED LIMIT. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE
SPEEDING PROBLEM. >> WE ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR SAFETY REASONS. WE ARE DOING IT TO ALLOW GOLF CART IN OUR CITY
. >> PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING IT.
HOW DO WE ALLOW THEM TO DO IT IN A SAFER MANNER?
>> THE CURE IS TO SAY, NO GOLF CARTS.
>> THEN, ENFORCE THE LAW. >> WE HAVE BEEN. ONE OF THE REASON CONTINUES TO FESTER IS BECAUSE WE ARE ENFORCING IT. WE ARE ENFORCING IT. THIS IS WHY WE ARE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE OBEYING AND NOT USING THE GOLF CARTS. AND BEING ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPLAINING THAT THEY CANNOT USE HER GOLF CART. IT IS NOT FOR SAFETY, --
>> I GET IT, THERE STILL PEOPLE USING THE GOLF CARTS.
>> I NEED TO CHIME IN, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT LIABILITY.
IF YOUR REQUEST OF THE COUNTY IS TO ALLOW THE SPEED LIMIT TO REDUCE, THERE IS STILL A LIABILITY ISSUE.
>> AGAIN, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW -- IF THE COUNTY ALLOWED US TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT, HOW WOULD THAT CREATE A LIABILITY
FOR THE CITY? >> IT'S LIKE TO THINK OF SOMEONE THAT IS 40 UNDER 45 WERE SOMEHOW LIABLE.
>> RIGHT, SOMEONE CAN FILE A LAWSUIT IF THEY PAY THE FILING FEE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO SHOW THAT WHATEVER THE DAMAGES WERE, THE CITY WAS THE CAUSE OF THAT. OR SOME CITY ACTION WAS THE
CAUSE OF THAT. >> I TAKE THE CITY INDEMNIFICATION WOULD NOT APPLY FROM THE COUNTY IF THEY AGREE TO LOWER BASED ON A TRAFFIC STUDY
>> I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHEN WE GO TO THE COUNTY AND WHAT
THEY ASK FOR. >> I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IF THEY WOULD NOT LOWER IT ON -- THERE IS NO WAY THEY WOULD LOWER IT ON UNIVERSITY OR HILLSBORO.
>> AND IT POPPED IN MY HEAD, NOW YOU HAVE THE LIABILITY OF AUTOMOBILES HAVING ACCIDENTS WITH GOLF CARTS. BY EVEN
INITIATING THE ORDINANCE . >> IF THAT IS THE ONLY CLAIM -- SOMEONE CAN MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.
>> WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE AN ORDINANCE.
>> THERE WOULD BE NO ORDINANCE. THEY WOULD BE FOLLOWING FLORIDA
LAW. >> THEY WILL NOT LOWER IT.
>> FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE SIDEWALK. THEY ARE AWAY FROM THE CARS.
>> THERE ALSO WITH PEDESTRIANS.
>> SOME CITIES HAVE DONE IT WHERE THERE ARE ISOLATED LANES.
SOME CITY HAVE DONE IT WHEN THEY ARE ON SIDEWALKS. IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION. I'M TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE, OR FIGURE OUT IF THERE THE POSSIBILITY. MAYBE THERE ISN'T. THE EASIEST
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NEEDLE, OR SOLUTION IS, EVERYTHING IS 35. AND THEN YOU ARE OPERATING UNDER FLORIDA LAW. AND IS NO DIFFERENT THAN SAFETY ISSUE. I CAN DRIVE A MOTORCYCLE AND GET HIT BY CAR TO THE. BUT IF I AM OPERATING UNDER FLORIDA LAW AND I HAVE MY LICENSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE -->> THERE ARE NOT FIVE OR 600 MOTORCYCLES IN THE CITY OF
PARKLAND. >> PLANNING THAT GOES MILE-AN-HOUR. 40 MILES AN HOUR. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE
CONCERNS. >> OBVIOUSLY NOT AN EASY TOPIC.
LET US REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY TO SEE A SPEED STUDY AT LEAST .
>> I AM HAPPY TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE A VISIT.
>> RBC THE ORDINANCE TOMORROW, AT LEAST, I DO NOT CHECK THAT
BOX. >> I WOULD LIKE BSO TO GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY ARE SEEING. WELLINGTON'S PALM BEACH COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FORCE. PDS
[4.B. Discussion on Agenda Items]
. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS SCHOOL ZONE
CAMERAS. BSO? >> NOT THAT ONE. WHERE ARE WE AT FOR THIS ONE? OKAY. THAT IS FINE. I DID NOT KNOW IF THEY PUT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING ONE UP THERE. LET'S GO WITH THIS.
JUST A BRIEF RECAP WITH THE SCHOOL ZONE THE CAMERAS WE DISCUSSED AT STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE WERE ASKED QUESTIONS IN REGARDS WHO CAN REVIEW THESE VIOLATIONS AND ULTIMATELY ISSUE CITATIONS? WE DID A REQUEST WITH LEGAL SERVICES WITH BSO. THEY MADE A DETERMINATION BASED ON FOR THE STATE STATUTE THAT IT MUST BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR LOCAL MUNICIPAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE REASON FOR THAT IS OBVIOUSLY, IT YOU WOULD HAVE TO AT SOME POINT RIGHT A UNIFORM TRAFFIC CITATION.
>> IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A DEPUTY?
>> IT COULD BE A DEPUTY OR -- >>
>> IT'S ONLY ABOUT $34,000 CHEAPER. A DEPUTY COST AROUND 191,000. CSA COSTS 156,000, GIVE OR TAKE. YOU HAVE A COST SAVINGS OF ABOUT $3400 -- $34,000 , EXCUSE ME.
>> THAT WOULD BE A SOULFUL TIME POSITION. THERE IS NO WAY TO ADD A RESPONSIBILITY TO AN EXISTING TEAM MEMBER?
>> AT THIS POINT, NO, I ONLY HAVE TWO. THEY WORK THE FRONT DESK BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE AT THE FRONT DESK.
>> THE FRONT DESK DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A CSA, CORRECT?
>> IT COULD BE A DEPUTY. >> OR COULD BE AN
ADMINISTRATIVE EMPLOYEE? >> I ONLY HAVE ONE ADMINISTERED OF ASSISTED. AND I HAVE TWO CODE INSPECTORS.
>> I GET IT, IF WE WERE TO HAVE ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT . THAT PERSON TO BE REDEDICATED.
>> WE COULD DO THAT, BUT TAPPERS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR PRINT AND PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, OR RIGHT POLICE
REPORT. >> TO JORDAN'S POINT, IF YOU HAD A DEPUTY COMMENT THEY WOULD NOT JUST BE MONITORING THESE
COUNTERS, WOULD THEY? >> YOU SAID WE HAVE A CSA WHO IS CURRENTLY THE ONE MONITORING? IF WE WERE TO REALLOCATE THAT PERSON TO THIS POSITION, YOU COULD REPLACE THAT PERSON WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WHO IS DEDICATED TO STAFFING THE PHONE. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO
HAVE ACROSS -- COST SAVINGS. >> YES.
>> IS THAT CAN SAVE US -- >> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER, I CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT MIGHT COST.
>> FORGIVE ME, I DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THAT PERSON THEN IT SITS IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER SCREEN FOR EIGHT HOURS
A DAY. >> INITIALLY, WE EXPECT IT TO BE A FULL-TIME JOB WITH ALL OF THE VIOLATIONS. THAT IS THE
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THING, IT DETERMINES ON THE MAGISTRATE HEARINGS. HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY THE FINES, HOW WILL ME -- HOW MANY TRAFFICVIOLATIONS WE HAVE TO SIGN. >> THE FIRST FEW YEARS WILL BE
BUSY. I WOULD IMAGINE. >> THAT CSA IN THE PERSON WRITING THE TICKETS, AND APPEARING IN COURT. WHILE THAT PERSON IS IMPORTANT, SOMEONE IS WRITING TICKETS.
>> THE VIDEO, YOU ARE GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT VIDEO.
>> IT THEIR WORKING AN EIGHT HOUR DAY. THEY ARE ALREADY PLAYING CATCH UP ON THE ONE. DAY ONE.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
>> THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING. >> HAS A BSO ROLLED OUT THESE
CAMERAS AND OTHER CITIES? >> NOT AS OF YET.
>> THAT IS PLANTATION PD? >> PLANTATION HAVE DECIDED WHO
THEY WANT TO GO WITH. >> THEY RECENTLY AGREED THERE ARE PROVEMENT FORWARD, IT DOES REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A -- CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC DATA AND OTHER INFORMATION REGARDING THESE INTERSECTIONS AND ULTIMATELY WOULD MAKE A FINDING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE IS A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF SAFETY RISK. FOR A PARTICULAR LOCATION.
>> BY THAT ARUMENT, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A DEPUTY DO IT.
AGAIN, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT. IT WOULD BE READY TO HAVE A DEPUTY DO IT. IN TWO YEARS, THE TIME IT TAKES TO DO THIS WOULD BE CUT DRAMATICALLY.
>> NANCY, FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, DID THIS COME FROM THE FRANCHISE FEE? DID WE ALLOCATE A FRANCHISE FEE TO GO
TO SCHOOL SAFETY? >> WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS COST.
>> I'M SAYING THE COST YOU PAY FOR THIS DEPUTY.
>> IT COMES OUT OF THE FINES. >> LET'S SAY THE FIRST YEAR THERE IS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN FUNDS. THE NEXT YEAR, INAUDIBLE ] YOU HAVE MITIGATED A LOT OF THE ISSUES.
>> AGAIN, I WOULD PRESUME YOU WOULD NOT KEEP SOMEONE WHO IS NOT NEEDED IN A PARTICULAR ROLE. THAT IS OPERATIONAL AND THAT IS A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. ONE THING WITH THE MONEY WE MAKE FROM THIS PARTICULAR --
>> I CAN USE THIS TO PAY FOR THAT POSITION. I COULD USE IT TO OFFSET COST FOR THE PROJECT.
>> COULD REASON FOR SIDEWALKS?
>> I THINK WHAT YOU BOTH ARE SAYING, AT SOME POINT, IT IS GOING TO BE A STEEP CURVE. AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OR SIX MONTHS, THERE COULD BE A STEEP DROP.
>> HOW MANY TICKETS ARE YOU WANT TO GET? YOU GET ONE.
>> I WOULD GET NINE IT. MY CONCERN IS, WE ARE TAKING ON A FULL-TIME DEPUTY AND IN A YEAR FROM NOW, THAT POSITION MAY REQUIRE A PART-TIME PERSON, OR NO PERSON.
>> THAT WAS MY POINT. IF THE DEPUTY STAYS ON.
>> WE ARE DOING OUR COUNT CENTER. SO THE RESULTS COULD BE
ALLOCATED. >> I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE
WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE. >> MIKE, I KNOW YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE WOULD THINK REVENUE WOULD BE AND THEN WE DID A
PROJECT OUT. >> THE COMPANIES THAT DID THE SPEED SURVEYS, WE HAD THREE DONE. THEY SENT US PROJECTIONS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD SPREADSHEETS ATTACHED DEPENDING ON THE PREVIOUS HISTORY . THEY HAVE A BREAKDOWN WITH A 90% REDUCTION BASED ON THE SPEED SURVEY RESULTS THEY HAD. THEY HAD 80% AND 70%. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WE INITIALLY ANTICIPATED. BASED ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE CAMERAS. SOME OF THE CAMERAS WERE HITTING THE SAME CAR TWICE GOING THROUGH THE SPEED ZONE. WE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THAT AND THEN REDUCE IT BY ANOTHER 95 OR 96%. THEY GAVE US A FIGURE
BETWEEN 500,007 50 A YEAR. >> WHY WOULD YOU REDUCE IT BY
96%? >> WE WERE PLAYING WITH THE NUMBERS. JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES. WE DO EXPECT A SIGNIFICANT
REDUCTION. >> THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST REDUCE IT FROM 100 TO ZERO.
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>> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEARN THE LESSON JUST FROM THE
EDUCATIONAL LOAN. >> I WOULD IMAGINE YOU HAVE SIGNS OR LIGHTS UP. IT WILL TAKE ONE OR TWO TIMES AND PEOPLE LEARN THE LESSON. PEOPLE COMING OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY MAY SPEED, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING IN REGULARLY. I SEE
THERE BEING A STEEP DROP OFF. >> WITH THAT IN MIND, HOW WILL THE -- RECOUP ITS INVESTMENT? AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE ONLY GETTING A FRACTION OF WHAT EACH TICKET IT.
>> THEY WILL GET THE TICKET BACK IN ONE YEAR. THOSE THINGS
ARE CHEAP. >> PETER $100 FINES. THE MUNICIPALITY RETAINS $60 . THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE WHATEVER -- WHOEVER THE CAMERA PROVIDER IT. WHICH WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE WHATEVER THEY WILL CHARGE YOU. THE USUALLY HAVE A PER TICKET CHARGE. STICKY DOLLARS TO THE CITY THAT IS BOTH THE POSTURE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM. IT COULD ALSO BE USED PROBABLY
FOR OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY -- >> IS THAT PART OF THE COST OF THE IMPLEMENTATION? WERE THE $40 GOES BACK TO THE VENDOR?
>> $60 GOES TO THE MUNICIPALITY AND THAT'S USED TO ADMINISTER
THE SYSTEM. >> SOME GOES TO BSO? THE $40?
>> OUT OF THE $60, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH TO PAY
FOR THE PROGRAM. >> I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, MOST WANT TO DO A REVENUE SHARE OF THE
$60. >> THAT IS UP FOR NEGOTIATION.
>> THEY NEED TO BE MADE WHOLE. THE WHOLE POINT OF THEM
INSTALLED FOR FREE -- >> YOUR QUESTION IS, IF IT
STARTS TO REDUCE -- >> LAST I HEARD, IT IS A RISK BY THEM. -- THERE IS A YEAR CONTRACT, RIGHT? MY POINT IS, THAT IS THEIR RISK. MIKE CONCERN IS, IF WE ARE WRITING $100 TICKETS, GETTING $60. LET'S SAY A DEPUTY IS 190,000,
I AM DOING ROUGH >>. WE HAVE TO WAIT -- THAT IS ALMOST NINE A DAY. JUST TO PAY FOR THE DEPUTY.
>> YOU HAVE TO WRITE TICKETS. >> THAT'S MY POINT,
INAUDIBLE ] >> AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE SCREAMING ABOUT GOLF CARTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, RIGHT? OR DO YOU JUST HIRE ANOTHER DEPUTY AND HAVE THE POLICE
>> I UNDERSTAND. >> IF ONE DEPUTY IS DOING
TRAFFIC. >> BUT I HAVE ONE THAT
DEDICATED -- >> I WOULD SUGGEST -- WE CAN DO AN ORDINANCE. AT LEAST IT IS ON THE TABLE. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT PLANT PATIENT -- PLANTATION HAS IN THEIR AGREEMENT. REVIEW IT. AND GO FROM THERE.
>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. THERE IS NO SUCH -- SENSE OF URGENCY. TO THE EXTENT WE WANT TO STOP READING, OF COURSE, IT WILL ALWAYS BE AN ISSUE. I WOULD PREFER A WAIT-AND-SEE APPROACH AND SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT IN REALITY. RATHER THAN AS BEING THE GUINEA PIGS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WE ARE HAVING THAT THERE IS NO ANSWER TO. ONE OF THE THINGS THE LIEUTENANT DID NOT BRING UP WHY IS ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD WANT TO DO LICENSE PLATE -- IN ADDITION TO THAT.
>> THE LICENSE PLATE READERS -- IT IS TWOFOLD. YOU CANNOT USE THE LICENSE PLATE READER ATTACHED TO THIS OZONE ONLY IN SCHOOL ZONE TIMES. BUT A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES OFFER THEIR LICENSE PLATE READERS AS AN ADDITIONAL
>> THEY OFFER MOBILE LICENSE PLATE READERS.
>> HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? >> IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. I WOULD HAVE TO BRING THE NUMBERS . THEY SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BASED ON -- YOU TALK ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM. AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU HAVE TO GO TO DEPENDING ON WHO OWNS THE
ROADWAYS. >> DO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THE
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SAFETY CRITERIA IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE THE ORDINANCE? OR DO WE DO THAT AFTER WE DO THE ORDINANCE?>> AS PART OF PASSING OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT OCCURS. THE COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC DATA AND ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THE LOCATIONS IN QUESTION. ULTIMATELY, THE DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE AND BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE VOTING ON THAT THERE IS A HIGH IN THE SAFETY RISK.
>> WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION HEIGHTENED SAFETY RISK? YOU
HAVE TO HAVE AN EXPERT? >> ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION WOULD PASS THE ORDINANCE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION. BASED ON DATA THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BY OTHERS. ANOTHER CITY EVER PRESENT, THEY HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE. BUT NOT WITH THE CONTRACT. IN THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, THEY HEARD INFORMATION ABOUT SIMILAR INFORMATION YOU HEARD AT A PRIOR WORKSHOP ABOUT THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE IN THOSE LOCATIONS AND THAT THE DATA THAT AROSE FROM THOSE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE ABOUT THE MEETING IN THOSE LOCATIONS DURING THE SAME PERIODS OF TIME THAT WERE COMMITTED BY THE
STATE LAW. >> BASED ON THAT, AND TO ECHO -- WE SHOULD BE IN FOMENTING THE ORDINANCE AS WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN SURVEYS THAT TELL US TRAFFIC IS -- WE ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE SHOULD ACT ON THAT .
>> I WAS ASKING, WERE WE THE JUDGES TO SIT IN THAT ROLE OF MAKING THE HEIGHTENED DETERMINATION?
>> YES. THE ANSWER IS YES. >> AS OPPOSED TO LEGAL CIRCUMSTANCES IN A COURTROOM YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXPERT COME IN AND THE EXPERT HAS TO GIVE HIS OPINION
>> I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.
>> I THINK IT SAID THE MUNICIPALITY NEEDS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. URINE -- REPRESENT THE MUNICIPALITY BUT IT ALSO SAID YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC DATA AND ANY DOCUMENTATION AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
>> WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE -- ESTABLISHES THAT WE CAN?
>> THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO CONTRACT OUT ANYONE. ALLISON IS IN PLACE. AS -- SAID, THE OTHER COUNTIES DO IT.
>> THAT IS UP TO YOU. IT IS A POLICY DECISION.
>> I AM IN AGREEMENT. >> I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
THAT. >> WE HAVE THE CARNIVAL RELOCATION. AS WE DISCUSSED AT STRATEGIC PLANNING, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE CARNIVAL OVER TO THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER. IT WAS REQUESTED WE REACH OUT TO THOSE WHO COULD BE AFFECTED IN THE AREA. AND SEE HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THAT. KRISTI?
>> CAN WE DO A STUDY? >> GOOD EVENING. WE WERE DIRECTED TO REACH OUT TO THE HORSEMEN'S ASSOCIATION AND SEE IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS WITH RELOCATING THE CARNIVAL. MISSED BELL HAS ASSURED US THERE WERE NO SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THE HORSES WELL-BEING. SHE DID LIKE THE IDEA OF US MOVING THE RIDES CLOSER TO HOME BERG AND DOING SOME MODIFICATION ON THAT SET UP TO HELP MITIGATE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES. SHE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WE REACH OUT TO PINE HOLLOW, JUST NORTH OF -- STAFF DID THAT AS WELL. THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF US BEING PROACTIVE AND COMMUNICATING WITH THEM. AND ENTRUSTING THEIR ORGANIZATION ABOUT THE WEEKEND BEING -- EVENT BEING THERE AT THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, COMMUNICATIONS -- TO MAKE SURE THE WORD GETS OUT AS
WE GET CLOSER TO THE EVENT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING AND YOU SAID THERE IS SUFFICIENT?
>> PLENTY OF PARKING, YES. >> THIS IS ALWAYS A SOMETHING WE COULD MOVE BACK NEXT YEAR IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT WELL?
>> WE WOULD MOVE IT BACK TO PINE TRAILS, YOU MEAN? YES.
>> THE BIGGEST REASON IS WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
>> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN PARKING SPACES ESTIMATE WISE BETWEEN PINE TRAILS AND THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER ?
>> I DON'T HAVE TO FIND PARKING THAT IT AT THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER. USING THE NUMBER OF CARS FROM OUR FARMERS MARKET VERSUS THE CAPABILITIES WE HAVE ON PINE TRAILS, IT IS
EASILY DOUBLE. >> IT DOUBLED THE PARKING AT
THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER? >> YES.
>> IS THE FARMERS MARKET FOOTPRINT EQUAL TO THE FOOTPRINT EQUAL FOR THE RIDES?
>> IT WILL BE CLOSE. AS FAR AS WHERE WE USE THE AREA, IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT LOCATION OBVIOUSLY.
>> WE HAD DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION IN THE ARMING
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MARKET. FARMING MARKET. >> WE CAN MOVE THE CARNIVAL OVER TO THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER. NEXT ITEM IS THE HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE RESTORATION. THAT AGAIN, AT STRATEGIC PLANNING WAS ASKED THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO RESTORE.
>> I THINK I CAN KEEP US IN TIME. THIS WILL BE QUICK. JUST LAST WEEK MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER -- STEVE HARTMAN, AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT YOU GAVE ME HIS CONTACT FOR CAME OUT AND DID A VERY THOROUGH AND LAMINATION -- EXAMINATION. THE FRAME DAMAGE AND DAMAGE TO A LOT OF THE VEHICLE THEY BELIEVE THE RESTORATION WOULD BE SOMEWHAT EXCESS OF $100,000.
OVER $100,000. >> HOMAGE -- HOW MUCH IS A NEW
FIRE TRUCK? >> TO BE FAIR, THEY DID DISCUSS COULD POSSIBLY TRY TO TAKE THE BACK BOX OFF AND GET ANOTHER 650 CAB FROM SOMEWHERE. BUT THEN IT WOULD NOT BE YOUR TRUCK AT THAT POINT. IF YOU WANT TO DO A RESTORATION ON THE ACTUAL TRUCK HERE IN PARKLAND, THAT WOULD BE THE COST. WE EVEN DISCUSSED, TAKING THE BACK OFF AND PUTTING -- THAT WOULD ALSO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. THERE'S A LOT OF ROUGH EDGES.
>> I HAVE TO BELIEVE IN MODERN-DAY THERE IS A MARKET FOR EVERYTHING. IS THERE SOME WAY TO PAY FOR THIS AS PART OF A COLLECTION? WERE WE AUCTION OFF THE FIRE TRUCKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORKING AND WE GET $10,000 FOR THEM? ON A GOOD
>> YOU MIGHT LOSE MONEY ON A TOWING BILL.
>> COULD BE DONATED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SO THEY COULD
DESTROY IT? AND TRAIN ON IT? >> AND WE HIT IT WITH A SPRAY
CAN NOW? >> GETTING BACK TO THE COST FOR IT, IF WE LOOKED AT RAISING FUNDS TO DO THAT, DO YOU THINK THERE IS -- THIS WOULD BE TAKING THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY. REP -- WEATHER SOMETHING LIKE, HELP BUILD A FIRE TRUCK, SEE WHAT WE GET WAXY MAYBE WE GET SOMEONE WHO
SAYS, HERE'S 100,000. >> I AM KIND OF SURPRISED YOU
DID NOT ASK ABOUT A GRANT. >> MAYBE WE COULD TURN THAT OVER AND SOME THINGS THE CAB COULD HANDLE. OR PERHAPS A PROJECT FOR OUR NEW AMBASSADORS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
MAYBE TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT STARTED. IF IT HAS LEGS, IT WOULD BE GREAT. IF IT DOESN'T --
>> MY CONCERN IS 100,000 IN THE BIG ASK.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU ASK.
>> I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TWO-TIERED APPROACH. WHETHER WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY REFURBISH IT. -- A WAY TO REPURPOSE IT.
FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MUCH CHEAPER.
ASSUMING YOU SAID IT'S FEASIBLE.
>> MONEY TALKS. IF THE CHECKBOOK WAS OPEN, THE REFURBISHMENT COULD HAPPEN IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE TIME AND EFFORT AND FUNDS PUT INTO IT. YOU WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE OUR SUPPORT IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU
WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. >> BY A REALLY NICE TOYED FIRE
TRUCK. >> IF YOU WANT TO PUT A FIRE TRUCK THEME SOMETHING AT THE PARK, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE THE WHOLE THING. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. IF YOU WANTED A FULL, HISTORICAL RESTORATION, THAT IS WHAT THE
COST COULD BE. >> THE ANSWER IS WE WILL PUSH IT OFF. TO COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
>> WE STILL MAY RUN INTO THE SAME SCENARIO AGAIN WHERE WE
ULTIMATELY MAKE A DECISION . >> NEXT YEAR AT STRATEGIC PLANNING YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
>> IN THE LAST ITEM WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE TIME OR, WE CAN ALWAYS
PUT ON THE AGENDA. >> THAT IS IRONIC.
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>> IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN PUT THINGS ON THE
AGENDA. >> YOU ALL COULD CONSIDER PUTTING THAT ON OUR COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA. IT WOULD
REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS VOTE. >> THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
>> I THINK WE PUSH IT TO THE
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