[1. Call to Order]
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>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS,ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ROLL CALL.
[4.A. Wedge Preserve Park Final Concept Discussion]
AGENDA, WE HAVE THE WEDGE PRESERVE PARK FINAL CONCEPTDISCUSSION. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING, CHRISTINE GARCIA, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.
AS YOU MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE FINAL CONCEPT PROVIDES PRESERVE PARK.
WE ARE LOOKING TO GET DIRECTION IN PLACESO THAT OUR DESIGN TEAM CPH CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN CONCEPT.
JUST TO BRING YOU BACK TO LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND, AS YOU IN NOVEMBER 2022, UL APPROVED CPH TO BEGIN THEIR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THOSE DESIGN OF THE WEDGE PRESERVE PARK. SINCE THEN, THEY GOT RIGHT AWAY, THAT STARTED AND THAT WAS CITY MANAGEMENT THEY GET INFORMATION RESPONSE REGARDS TO THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS.
THEY COMPLETED SURVEYING AND MAPPING OF THE SITE IN THE PRELIMINARY ECOLOGICAL ASSESSMENTS, PRELIMINARY WETLANDS DELINEATION AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THE SITE. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC OUTREACH IN REGARDS TO A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS THAT THEY HAVE DEVELOPED.
THEN MET WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION ON MARCH 27. THERE WAS AN OPEN RESIDENCE FORUM ON APRIL 27 WE HAD ABOUT 20 RESIDENTS COME IN AND TAKE PART IN THAT DISCUSSION. OUR ONLINE SURVEY WAS OPEN FROM MAY 4 THROUGH MAY 19 AND WE HAD ABOUT SIX AND 15 RESPONSES.
TONIGHT, JUST TO REITERATE, WE HAVE TWO CONCEPTS, CONCEPT A AND CONCEPT B. THERE IS A LOT MORE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.
WE ARE JUST GETTING INTO TURNING TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS . WE ARE GIVING THEM DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE TO A CONCERT WE LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
THE PARKING LOT, THE LAKE, HOW IT ALL LOOKS AND COME TOGETHER.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL GO AHEAD.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THE FINAL DETAILS OF WHAT WILL EXACTLY BE THERE WILL COME LATER.
>> THEY WILL STILL COME, CORRECT.
IT IS PURELY THE CONCEPT SO WE CAN DECIDE WHERE TO PARK.
THE PARKING LOTS, THE LAKES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WHEN WE START NARROWING DOWN INTO BASKETBALL COURTS, PICKLE BALL COURTS, NINJA WARRIOR THING, ALL THAT STUFF IS STILL
TO COME IN THE FUTURE. >> CORRECT, JUST KEEP IN THE BACK OFTHE MIND THAT SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES ARE GRANT REQUIREMENTS . YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT YES, WILL COME DOWN THE ROAD.
>> WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE DECISIONS BEING MADE?
>> SABRINA, I WILL LOOK AT YOU A LITTLE BIT IN REGARDS TO THE
SCHEDULE. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WE HAD DISCUSSED ON OUR ONE ON ONE.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE END RESULT ON THE PRICING.
WE DO NOT KNOW THAT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I WILL ADVISE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMPLETELY CONVEYANCE OF PARK.
AVING AGAIN, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ALREADY IN IT. THEN, ONCE WE SEE THE PRICING, WE START TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE LIKE TO HAVE.
>> I AM TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN FOR TONIGHT SO WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN SAYING I WANT TO BE BASKETBALL.
>> WE ARE NOT MAKING SELECTIONS THIS EVENING.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE SO 30%,
60%, 90%. >> I WOULD ASSUME AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG, HE WILL BE ABLE TO NARROW DOWN THE PRICING AS
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> GOOD EVENING, BUT BEFORE I START I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
IT HAS BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH YOURSTAFF AND YOUR ADMINISTRATION . EVERYBODY HAS BEEN GREAT TO
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WORK WITH AND YOU HAVE A TOP-NOTCH TEAM HERE.JUST REITERATING WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW, AS OF THIS WORKSHOP ON 6/21, CHRISTINE IS MENTIONED THE PROCESS FOR HERE.
THROUGH THAT 30 1690 HELP IN THE COST OF THE - - PARK IS TO BEOPEN WITHIN THREE YEARS . WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT BEFORE WE START REFINING THAT IS SIGNED WITHIN THAT ONE CONCEPT. THAT WAY, WE CAN STAY ON SCHEDULE. IS THAT BETTER? THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT APPROVAL SO WE CAN START REALLY A FINDING THAT ONE DESIGN TO MOVE FORWARD AND STAY ON THE SCHEDULE. JUST TO REFRAME, THE PROJECT, WE HAVE ABOUT 36 ACRES HERE BY HILLSBOROUGH AND NOB HILL.
WE ARE WE PLOTTING THIS IS ONE PARCELWITH THOSE TWO ENTRANCES . ALSO TO THE NORTH AND EAST BY RESIDENCES, WE DO HAVE A BUFFER TO THE NORTH WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE NORTH AND DOWN THE EAST AND THERE WILL BE A BUFFER ALONG HILLSBOROUGH AND NOB HILL AS WELL.
IS THAT SOUNDING BETTER BY THE WAY? I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GALEN PUGH TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE CONCEPTS AND WE WILL GO THROUGH AS NICK SAID, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS THAT WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH.
YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THESE AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR ONE ON ONES AND THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE HAD WITH YOU.
WE HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN AND CONCEPT B. CONCEPT A AND BOTH CONCEPTS TO REITERATE AND PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME AMENITIES. THEY ARE JUST ARRANGE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AS YOU WILL SEE.
BOTH CONCEPTS TO THE ENTRANCE COMING OFF OF NOB HILL AND HILLSBOROUGH, ESSENTIALLY IN THE SAME EXACT SPOT.
AS YOU COME IN ON THIS ONE, IF YOU'RE COMING OFF OF HILLSBOROUGH, YOU ENTERED THEIR AND YOU WILL SEE THE LARGE RETENTION POND TO YOUR RIGHT. IT'S A FEATURE WITH JETS AND FOUNTAINS.THE PRESERVE AREAS AND PRIMARILY THE NATURAL AREAS WILL BE IN THAT AREA SURROUNDED BY NATURE CHAIR AND YOUR MULTIPURPOSE WALK. AS YOU BEND OVER AND MOVE TOWARDS THE WEST, YOU WILL SEE OUR CENTRAL PARKING LOT WHICH WILL SERVE OUR MAINACTIVITY CENTER WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE PLAYGROUND . YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED BY THE YELLOW TRIANGLE THAT ILLUSTRATE THE SHADE SALES.
WE HAVE A SPLASH PATTERN THERE, AND MANY ABILITY OF DISCUSSED WITH YOU GUYS. THEY ARE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE BASEBALL FIELDS BEFORE THAT AND THE BASKETBALL COURTS.
THE NINJA WARRIOR COURSE AND THE AMOUNT THAT RUNS UP TO THE TOP WITH THE PAVILION ON THE TOP THERE IN THE CORNER.
OF COURSE, THEY SERVE AS THE FACILITY TO THE NORTHWEST THERE. THE REMAINDER OF THE PARKING AREAS RUNNING ALONG THE NORTH WILL SERVE BASEBALL AND MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS. CONCEPT B AGAIN IS VERY MUCH THE SAME, ALL THE SAME FEATURES WITH A FEW DIFFERENCES.
YOU HAVE A LITTLE LONGER - - GOING THROUGH AND BIFURCATE THE POND THERE AND TO ACCENTUATE THE AESTHETICS AS YOU'RE COMING IN. IN THIS CASE OF CONCEPT B, YOU'VE A LARGE VALIDATED PARKING LOT.
THE NINJA WARRIOR COURSE HAS BEEN MOVED MORE CENTRAL TO BE CONSOLIDATED WITH THE OTHER ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA .
IT IS ALL DUPLICATED AND CONCEPT B BUT REARRANGED TOTALLY IN THAT AREA. WE ALSO HAVE APPLAUSE ON THE LAWN AREA FOR CEREMONIAL EVENTS THERE JUST NORTH OF THE PICKLE BALL COURTS. THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AND THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME BUT SHIFTED FURTHER TO THE WEST. AND THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS WHAT WEHAVE GOTTEN THE PLAN . FROM THERE, GOING TO THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THE FIRST WAS THE PARKS AND RAPPORT MEETING.
WHILE DISCUSSIONS - - PLACEMENT OF ITEMS IN THE ADJACENT - - WE
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MOVED THE SPLASH PAD CLOSER TO THE PLAY VILLAGE.A LOT OF THAT FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED COME A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE RENTAL SPACE.
HE REFINED HIS CONCEPTS AND HOW THE PUBLIC FORUM ON APRIL 27.
AGAIN, GENERAL FEEDBACK WAS VERY POSITIVE, EVERYONE IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PARK AND THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES.
PEOPLE WERE ASKING MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE AMENITIES ARE AND HOW THEY LOOK.
THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN FOR WHAT IT IS, WHAT WAS THE PLAY VILLAGE AND WHAT IS AN INTERCOURSE? IT WAS REALLY FOCUS AROUND THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN INCLUSIVE PARK.
WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING ACCESS THROUGHOUT OUR TIME FOR WALKWAYS AND HAVING AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT.
FROM THERE, WE TOOK THE CONCEPT THAT HOSTED ONLINE COMMUNITY SURVEY AND WE HAD 650 RESPONSES.
THE COMMUNITY SURVEY WAS PUBLISHED ON THE FOURTH AND RAN INTO THE 19TH. THE ONE THE SURVEY WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. ASKING THEM ABOUT THEIR HOUSEHOLDS WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES OR FEATURES DID THEY USE AND HOW DID THEY USE THEM AND OTHER PRODUCTS WITHIN THE CITY AND THOSE OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS AS WELL.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO - - TO TALK ABOUT IT IN
DETAIL. >> THE FIRST QUESTION THAT COMES ABOUT IS HOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO ACCESS THIS INFORMATION. JUST UNDER 50% PLAN ON DRIVING TO THE PARK WHILE 55% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PART OF THE SURVEY DECIDED THAT NOB HILL WAS GOING TO BE THERE MAIN
ACCESS POINT. >> CAN ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ON THESURVEY ? DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE SURVEY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WERE COMING FROM OR WHO THEY WERE? ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF PARKLAND OR THE EAST SIDE OF PARKLAND? DO WE KNOW RELATIVE TO THESE NUMBERS WHO THAT 40% IS GOING TO BE A PART OF TOO IS THAT EVERYONE LIVING IN THE GENERAL FACILITY OF THE SYNERGY OF HILLSBOROUGH?
HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT? >> WE HAVE NOT BROKEN RATED OUTPUT WE CAN IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO THAT.
WE ASKED THE RESIDENT AND FOR THE ADDRESS.
90% OF PEOPLE WHO WERE RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLYAPARTMENT
, WE DO HAVE THEIR ADDRESSES. >> FROM LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE NUMBERS THERE IS - - MOST PART THEY WERE ATTRACTED TO THE PARK. EVERY FOR MICROSTRUCTURE AND PROMOTION GROUP UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER THE NATURE OF WHO IT IS THAT IS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THIS IN
DETERMINING THESE PERCENTAGES. >> THE SECOND QUESTION WE BRING UP IS THE USE OF THEWALKING TRAILS, THE MULTIUSE TRAILS .
FOR 89% OF THE RESPONDENT ON THE SURVEY, THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD BE USING THESE TRAILS IN SOME ASPECT DURING DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME HOURS. AS WE MOVE ALONG TO ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT ANY OF THE PUBLIC THAT PLANS ARE JUST PLAIN ANY ORGANIZED SPORTS OR ATHLETIC LEASE, ALMOST 50%, 40% SAID YES. YOU CAN SEE THE RESPONSES FOR
EACH SPORT. >> CAN I STOP YOU THERE? MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS WOOD WOULD BE USED FOR LEAGUE PLAY, SO WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT QUESTION?
>> THE IDEA BEHIND THE QUESTION WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESPONDENTS WERE NOT ALL LEAGUE PLAY USERS WE WERE HEARING THE FEEDBACK. IT WAS 50-50, SO WE DID GET HALF OF THE RESPONDENTS THAT ARE RESIDENTS ALIKE COMING IN
AND UTILIZING THE PARKS. >> THE NEXT QUESTION THAT CAME ABOUT WAS THAT CURRENT PARK USE IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND.
WE CAN SEE THAT PLAN TRAILS, LIBERTY PARK AND - - WERE THE
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TOP THREE PARTS USE. THE PARK OWNER COVER MOST FAVORED WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS, THE WATERPARK SPLASH PADS AND THE COVERED AREAS IN THE SHADE. THE NEXT ONE IS CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THIS PARK IN THE CITY. WE ARE LOOKING AT 71% HAVE ONE OR MORE CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THE PARK WITH THE MOST COMMON AGE GROUPING BETWEEN SIX AND 12.OUR MEETING SPACE WAS AN OPTION HERE.42% OF THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE SURVEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD RENT THE SPACE, 65% WILL BE USING THESE AS PARTIES WITH THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE ANDGUESTS BETWEEN 20 TO 40. >> THE OTHER QUESTION WE ASKED THEM WAS IN TERMS OF EVENTS. IF YOU WERE TO COME TO THIS PART, WOULD YOU, YOU FOR EVENTS? THE WITHSTANDING ANSWER WAS 96% YES AND WE ASKED THEM WHAT EVENTS THEY WOULD COME TO APPEARED THE TOP TWO WERE FESTIVALS AND MOTOR SHOWS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, BESIDES THE AMENITIES REQUIRED BY YOUR GRANT, WE HAD EIGHT OTHER AMENITIES WITHIN THE TWO CONCEPTS.
WE ASKED THEM TO RANK THEIR FAVORITE DOWN TO THEIR LEAST FAVORITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOP THREE ITEMS WERE BOARDWALKS, KIDS PLAY VILLAGE AND THE SPLASH PAD.WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS BEING VERY CLOSE AFTER THAT.
THE FINAL QUESTION WE ASKED EVERYONE WAS CONCEPT A OR CONCEPT B, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU PICK?AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS PRETTY SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH CONCEPT B HAVING AN EDGE AT 54%. THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AND WE ARE AT TODAY IN TERMS OF BRINGING THESE TWO CONCEPTS BACK TO YOU TO ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON WHICH ONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH DESIGNS WE CAN START FINE-TUNING THOSE DETAILS.
>> SO AGAIN, BASED ON THE TWO CONCEPTS, FORGETTING NECESSARILY ABOUT THE SPECIFIC AMENITIES FOR TONIGHT, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON WHICH CONCEPT YOU PREFERRED.
TO ME, CONCEPT B ALLOWS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EVENTS LIKE AN ART SHOW OR CRAFT FAIR OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A CENTRAL AREA THAT RESIDENTS CAN USE OR WE CAN UTILIZE FOR SPECIFIC EVENTS WERE CONCEPT A DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THAT. ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE JUST ON LIGHTING, THIS IS JUST CURIOUS I GUESS, WITH THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS, I KNOW THAT LED LIGHTING IS MUCH BETTER THAN YOUR TYPICAL LIGHTING.
THE SPRAY EFFECT IS MINIMAL. HAVING THE FIELDS OF CONCEPT B IN THE OTHER POSITION, THOSE THAT ALLOW A DIFFERENT VIEW FOR SOME OF THOSE HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE? I WOULD NOT THINK SO, I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
>> YOU WILL SEE AS MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE LIGHT POLES AND OTHER ORIENTATION.
>> ALONG THOSE LINES RELATIVE TO THE FIELDS, I DO NOT KNOW WHO IS INTENDED TO BE PLAYING ON THOSE FIELDS, BUT IS ANY CONSIDERATION GOING TO WHERE THE BALL IS GOING ON THE FIELD? THE EDGES ARE THE WRITE UP ON THE PARKING LOT THERE, OR INTO THE ROADWAY AREAS. I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PAUL'S GOING INTO CAR WINDOWS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN ALONG THOSE LINES?
>> THERE WILL BE 275 FOOT FENCES.
>> THEY ARE ADULT SIZE. HIS TYPICAL LIKE A LARGER SIZE FIELDS WHICH A LOT OF THE ORIENTATIONS TO BACK UP TO
PARKING LOTS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE PLAYING ON THE FIELD WITH THE RIGHT
DISTANCE. >> THAT IS THE OTHER BENEFIT DOING THE ADULT SIZE, LITTLE KIDS CAN STILL BE THERE.
>> THE SECOND QUESTION HAPPENS RELATIVE THE WATER SPACE SIZE.
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ARE THE TWO WATER FEATURES YOU HAVE IN YOUR DRAWINGS, ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE AND CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY OR IS ONE BIGGERTHAN THE OTHER? >> THERE ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE BUT CONFIGURED DIFFERENTL .
>> LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE BUT I LOVE FISHING. MY THOUGHTS ARE, I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE MORE LAND FOR USE FOR PART PURPOSES THAN WATER FEATURES. I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE CONSIDERATION RELATIVE TO MAYBE GETTING SOME FILL OUT OF THAT AREA AND DRAINAGE PURPOSES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
REALISTICALLY, IF WE CAN FIND A BALANCE WHERE WE ARE STILL UTILIZING MORE LAND FOR LAND PURPOSE RECREATIONAL USES THAN WATER USE IS BECAUSE NO ONE IS SWIMMING IN THESE THINGS, THEN THAT IN MY OPINION WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF THAT AREA.
>> I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT. WHETHER IS FOR ANOTHER ACTIVITY OR FIELD OR WHATEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER HIS CONCEPT A OR B, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REQUIRED IN TERMS OF SIZE FOR DRAINAGE, BUT I WILL LIKE TO SEE US MAXIMIZE THE LAND PORTION OF IT AND CUT THE WATER PORTION IN HALF OR AT LEAST
REDUCED IN SIZE. >> IF YOU LIKE CONCEPT B FOR INSTANCE, YOU CAN GET RID OF THE SECOND LAKE AND USE THAT
FOR POTENTIAL SOMETHING. >> OR LEAVE IT AND CUT THE FIRST LAKE IN HALF AND USE IT FOR ANOTHER AREA, BUT EITHER
WAY. >> THERE IS A BALANCE THAT HAS TO BE FOUND WITH THAT.THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND FILL ISSUES THAT COMEOUT OF THAT THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE BUILDING OF THE PARK . THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT LEAD UP TO THE ENGINEERING PEOPLE, JUST FOR THE IDEA THAT WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THE WATER AREA SO WE MAXIMIZE THE LAND
AREA AND USE IT IN THAT WAY. >> ONCE YOU PICK A CONCEPT, WE WAS HOW TO REFINE THE SIZING REQUIREMENTS.
>> I THINK CONCEPT B IN MY OPINION, ALTHOUGH MY ONLY I GUESS CONCERN ABOUT CONCEPT B IS JUST THE PARKING.
IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO THE MEETING SPACE OR GOING OUT FAR TO THE OTHER BALLFIELD, THEY WILL WALK A DISTANCE.
I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN THE ISSUE WE HAVE HAD WITH PARKING AT TERRA MORE WHEN NOBODY'S PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING ON THE EAST SIDE.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH PARKING, BUT I DO LIKE CONCEPT B IN THE MEETING SPACE. I THINK POTENTIALLY, TO INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. I KNOW HOW TO ABOUT BEING 1800 FT.B2 AND I THINK THAT JUST FRO WHAT I HAVE HEARD, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MEETING SPACE IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND.
WHEN YOU PEOPLE LIKE CHAMBER OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING, THERE IS NO SPACE FOR THEM TO MEET.
I KNOW WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THAT TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT. MY ONLY QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS, THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, IS THIS OUR LAST BITE AT THE APPLE? SIMILAR TO A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND HAS A PRESENTATION AND SAYS HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO BUILD, I COMES TO US , WHAT IS THE INTENT? RESIDENTS GET A BITE AT THE APPLE, THE, MAKE A COMMENT.
>> US PICKING THE CONCEPT WOULD GIVE THEM THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK ON THE BUDGETARY PURPOSE TO DECIDE, CAN WE AFFORD A MEETING SPACE, CAN WE AFFORD WHATEVER THAT IS? THOSE ARE THINGS HE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE LATER.
>> WE WILL COME BACK TO SAY HERE'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE, HERE'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL, IT WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, HOW WAS I GOING TO FLOW? IF THE RESIDENT TURNED AND FILLED OUT A SURVEY, WILL HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE TO SAY WE LIKE CONCEPT B? JUST INPUT. WHETHER THE GROUP PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INPUT OR ARE WE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE?
>> I WOULD IMAGINE WE WOULD GO BACK OUT FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL
THIS THE BEGINNING STAGES TO GET TO OUR FILE CONCEPT PLAN.
EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY LIKELY BE SIMILAR WITH A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS AND SO FORTH WITHIN
THE CITY. >> WE KIND OF WENT OUT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR, SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW . NOW, IT IS UP TO US TO DECIDE
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WHAT THE FINAL CONCEPT WILL ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE BASED ON BUDGETARY FACTORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.>> IF WE ARE GIVING INPUT NOW, WILL THE BUREAU BUYS CONCEPT?
>> NOW, WE ARE HEARING EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND ADMINISTRATIVELY, THE FINAL CONCEPT WILL BE DECIDED UPON AND MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTIONDOCUMENT PHASE .
THAT IS AND WILL GET INTO A LOT OF THE FINE-TUNING OF STUFF,
BUT THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION. >> NOT AS A BODY WERE WE CAN SPEAK OF IT AS A GROUP AND NOT ABOUT BUDGET ISSUES?
>> YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO DECIDE WHAT WILL BE AT THE
PARK. >> I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.
IF WE ARE CHOOSING A CONCEPT, ARE WE CHOOSING A CONCERT IN THE CONFIGURATIONS THAT ARE WITHOUT THE AMENITIES? THEN, GOING BACK LATER AND DECIDING WHAT AMENITIES ARE GOING? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHERE
WE ARE AT ON THIS. >> SO, TONIGHT YOU WILL PICK A CONCEPT FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHICH ASPECT AND WHICH ORIENTATION OF THE CONCERT THAT YOU LIKE SO FAR.
ALL OF THESE AMENITIES THAT YOU SEE TONIGHT ARE ALL GOING TO BE A PART OF THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE AND GET CLOSER TO THE 90 PERCENTILE OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, HE WILL START GETTING THOSE MORE CONCRETE BUDGETARY NUMBERS
THAT NANCY WILL ¦ >> MY GAMETIME AT THAT TIME TO COME BACK TO EACH OF YOU. I HAVE NOT DECIDED HOW I AM DOING THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT TO INVOLVE YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN US MAKING A DECISION IF WE CAN AFFORD IT ALL AND IF WE CANNOT, WHAT PRIORITIES.
>> AGAIN, JUST SO THAT I AM CLEAR, BECAUSE IT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WATER FEATURE IN PARKING LOTS AND BALLFIELDS AND A BIG FIELD FOR SOCCER OR WHATEVER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS AND PICKLE BALL COURTS AND WE MAY OR MAY NOT DEPENDING ON WHICH CONCEPT, HAVE THE
BUILDING. >> WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE AMENITIES. THESE AMENITIES WILL POSITIVELY BE TAPERED WHAT ADDITIONAL AMENITIES WE HAVE WILL BE DECIDED UPON AT A LATER DATE BASED ON BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS OR NO CONSTRAINTS, WHATEVER. THERE WILL BE PICKLE BALL COURTS,THERE WILL BE BASKETBALL COURTS AND BASEBALL COURTS, MULTIPURPOSE . THE CONCEPT OF YOUR CHOOSING WILL ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN CONCEPT B AND WHAT WE WILL DECIDE MORE ON HIS HOW MUCH BOARDWALK SOME OF THE KIDS TOWN, SPLASH PADS, PAVILIONS, BANK SHOT BASKETBALL AND COMMUNITY MEETING ROOMS. THOSE WILL BE THE DECISIONS THAT WILL DECIDE ON A LATER DATE.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE A BETTER PROCESS SHOULD BE, WE ONLY GET TO TALK IS A BODY DURING THESE MEETINGS.
WE WANT TO GIVE OUR COMMENTS AND INPUT THIS EVENING BASED ON THE RESIDENT FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OWN THOUGHTS.
I THOUGHT THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS WOULD BE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WHETHER IT IS REVISING CONCERT A OR B, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ARTICULATING WHAT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS WE CAN AND CANNOT AFFORD AND IT COMES BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION ON A COME APPROVAL WILL FINALIZE CONCEPT AND B, APPROVAL OF THE BUDGETARY AMOUNT FOR THAT FINALIZE
CONCEPT. >> HEARING THAT NANCY AND CHRISTINE, I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE DECIDE FOR INSTANCE CONCEPT B, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM VICE MAYOR BREYER, NANCY COMING BACK TO US, WE WOULD COME BACK MORNING A PUBLIC FORUM.
NOT AS CLOSE TO 90%, MAYBE 65%, WHATEVER, WITHIN THE NEW CONCEPT WILL BE CANTHEN GIVE OUR FEEDBACK .
I WOULD IMAGINE MY 65% WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA IN THE
BUDGETARY NUMBERS. >> JUST SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND TOO, ONCE WE START GETTING INTO CONSTRUCTION DESIGN, THAT IS YOUR SITE PLAN. NOW WHETHER LIKE WE DO IN INTERCOURSE, BANK SHOT WITH THINGS TODAY, ONLY GET THE
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BUDGETARY NUMBERS ACCORDING TO THAT SITE PLAN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, THEN WE CAN BEEN A BETTER POSITION TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS TO WHERE WE DO NOT SPREAD BUT, COMING BACK THAT LATE IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE CHANGES . SO WE WANT THREE MULTIPURPOSE FEELS NOW ALL THE SUDDEN, OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WOULD NOTBE THE PROCESS .>> I COULD BE WRONG, BASED ON WHAT I SEE AS FAR AS THE CONCEPTS, IF YOU PICK CONCERT B, THE ONLY THING WE WOULD BE DOING IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY REMOVING SOMETHING.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, THAT IS KIND OF A GAME PLAN AT THIS POINT. ONCE AGAIN, WE REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE CAN I CANNOT AFFORD.
>> MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BIG PROJEC
. >> GIVE ME A SPECIFIC THAT YOU
WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. >> WE TALKED IN ONE-ON-ONE ABOUT COSTS OF VARIOUS COMPONENTS AND WEIGHING WHICH COMPONENT YOU WANT TO VERSUS ANOTHER COMPONENT AND HAVING TO FIGURE AND OVERALL BUDGET. WERE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING $20-$30 MILLION, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS ON THIS PART. THE NOTION THAT WE WILL APPROVE A ROUGH SITE PLAN TONIGHT AND NEVER SEEN AGAIN FOR APPROVAL UNTIL EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE IS A LITTLE CONCERNING.
I WOULD THINK WE WOULD RATHER COLLECTIVELY, AND A WORKSHOP OR A MEETING, FIGURE OUT WE HAVE FOR YOU FEEDBACK, WE HAVE COME BACK WITH A REVISED SITE PLAN, HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.
YOU HAVE TO GO AND PRIORITIZE, DO WE WANT TWO BASEBALL FIELDS? DO WE WANT TWO MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS? WHAT DO WE NEED BASED ON BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AS WELL?
>> I AM SAYING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, THAT IS WHAT THESE
TWO CONCEPTS ARE ALREADY. >> I EXPRESSED THE SAME CONCERNS AS VICE MAYOR. I THOUGHT WE DID OUR ONE ON ONES I GAVE A LOT OF INPUT AND FEEDBACK NOTHING IS CHANGED SINCE THEN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS THE POINT
OF THE ONE-ON-ONE . >> THE INITIAL ONES YOU MEAN?
>> YES. WE ASKED FOR INPUT AND MOVED ALONG WITH THE EXACT SAME THING IN OUR BE TOLD TO SELECT THE ONES THAT ANY OF THE MODIFICATIONS.
>> SO WE HAD THE ONE ON ONES AND THAT IS WHEN THEY DEVELOP CONCEPT CAPITAL A AND CONCEPT B. THEN THEY WENT OUT TO THE
PUBLIC? >> NO, CONCEPT CAPITAL A AND B WERE PRESENTED AT THE ONE-ON-ONE WHICH IS WHAT I WAS
GETTING RESPONSE TO. >> WE ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK OPENLY AND FREELY TONIGHT. SO, SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE
SPECIFIC. >> I EXPRESSED A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED.
THE PARKING IS PROBLEMATIC, ESPECIALLY IF WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW 71% OF THE PEOPLE USING OUR WITH LITTLE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE WILL TRAVERSE AROUND THE SPARK, IDEALLY WITHOUT HAVING DIFFERENT PARTS OF PARKING TO ACCESS THE SPECIFIC AREAS WERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING IT.
I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE COMING UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT FOR WATER QUALITY ENHANCEMENT UNDER THE GRANT?
>> THE LAKES. >> THE LAKES HAVE A REQUIRED SIZE? BECAUSE BACK TO COMMISSIONER CUTLER QUESTION, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO A CERTAIN AREA
OR AMOUNT OF WATER ? >> THAT IS ALL WE HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN BASED ON THE SIZE AND RETENTION TIME AND THAT KIND OF THING.THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.
>> WERE THESE PONDS DESIGNED AND MILD TO SPECIFIC CRITERIA
OR WAS A MORE AESTHETIC? >> THEY WERE DESIGNED TO SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN MIND. ALL THE AMENITIES YOU'RE PUTTING IN YOUR TO OFFSET WITH STORM WATER CAPTURE.
ALSO THE FILL. THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, IT WAS YOUR DECISION ON WHAT YOU NEED.
>> IS IT ABOUT BUDGET OR COMPLYING WITH THE GRANT?
>> BOTH. >> SO WE CAN REDUCE THE SIZES WITHOUT FEELING THE GRANT, CORRECT
>> WE CAN REDUCE ON THE SIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO START FLUSHING OUT ONE OF THE SPECIFIC DESIGNS. THE CONCEPTUAL SIDE GIVES YOU THE SPATIAL, BUT FOR INSTANCE WE HAVE THE KIDS PLAYED VILLAGE
THAT WE NOT ACTUALLY DESIGNED. >> I UNDERSTAND.THERE IS ALIGNMENT HERE, EVERYBODY IS PART OF CAPITAL 80 LIKE AND PARTS OF B, WE ARE BEING FORCED TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER ABSENT OF BEING ABLE TO MODIFY AND FIND THE COMMON GROUND THAT INCORPORATES THE THINGS THAT WE WANT.
THAT IS WHY ASKED ABOUT THE ONE ON ONES.
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>> WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION NOW.
WE DO NOT A LOT FOR THAT MUCH TIME.
WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION NOW, BUT REMEMBER.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT PROCEDURALLY, WE HAVE THESE ONE ON ONES THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO? MAYBE EVEN LONGER? MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF US EVEN GETTING INPUT IF ULTIMATELY WE ARE GETTING YOUR TO A ONE HOUR MEETING TO TRYING TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED THE ENTIRE TIME ?
>> REMEMBER, THEY DID NOT ASK INPUT FROM US, THEY WERE NOT THE RESIDENCE I GOT RESIDENT FEEDBACK.
THEY MENTIONED EARLY ON THAT THEY CAME UP WITH INITIAL DESIGNS, THE HEAD MEETING AND REVISED IT, THEY HAD RESIDENT
FEEDBACK AND REVISED IT AGAIN. >> I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY
REVISIONS. >> WE NEED TO GIVE THEM
INFORMATION. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT BECAUSE I DID. >> I AM ASKING YOU AND SIMEON SPECIFICALLY, GIVE ME SPECIFICS OF WHAT THESE PARTS ARE MISSIN . IF THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THEN WE
NEED TO GIVE SPECIFICS. >> I WILL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC MOM TALKED ABOUT PARKING ISSUE , I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONFIGURE PARKING. WHEN YOU THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING SPACE, THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE MEETING SPACE.
CLEARLY WHETHER OR NOT IT IS CUTTING OUT THE LAKE TO CREATE SOME PARKING TO ME WOULD BE - -. IF NOT, MAYBE MOVE THE MEETING SPACE INSTEAD OF PUTTING WHERE THE PRESERVE IS, CREATE OBSERVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT OR A DESIGNER, I'M SINGER PRACTICALITY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEK OF WHAT TO DO.
>> I JUST WANT TO STOP YOU FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT.IF WE ARE NOT A DESIGNER OF PARKING SPACES AND AN ARCHITECT, WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO DO THAT. FOR ME TO START OUT A STATEMENT AND SAY I AM NOT A DESIGNER, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE PARKING HERE.
>> I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IT WAS TARA MOORPARK WE HAD THE PLAYGROUND. I WENT TO NANCY AND NANCY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER SHADE.
SHE SAID I WOULD TAKE A LOOK. SHE SAID I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE STOPPED CONSTRUCTION AND HAD TO WAIT 20 WEEKS BECAUSE IT WAS COVID, TO GET A SHADE AND BUT IT ADDED TO THE PARK.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO DESIGN IT.
>> ON THAT NOTE, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION.
YOU HAVE TWO CONCERTS IN FRONT OF YOU AND ADDING A SHADE OR TWO WEEKS. CONCEPT A, WHAT WE DO ON CONCEPT CAPITAL A TO TWEAK IT TO GET TO YOUR DESIRED FINAL CONCEPTS? OR, WOULD YOU TWEAK CONCEPT B
AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO? >> I THINK CONCEPT B, WE TAKE ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM A-Z, PUT IT OUT AS A HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIK , NOW WHAT CAN WE AFFORD AND WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? I'M CHOOSING THE MEETING SPACE AS AN EXAMPLE. IF THE MEETING SPACE IS ANOTHER $5 MILLION AND WE ARE AT 23 MILLION SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE TO SPEND FIVE DOLLARS FOR A MEETING SPACE WE WILL ELIMINATE THAT.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO ADD THE MEETING SPACE FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE, I LOOK AND GO HOW MY GOING TO GET THERE? I HAVE THE PARK ALL THE WAY HERE.
IF I'M USING IT FOR SOME SORT OF MEETING OR PARTY, AND TO BRING ALL MY SUPPLIES, MEANDER THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE.
IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO DO THAT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE IT, WE WANT TO MAKE IT USER FRIENDLY. WHEN I SAY I'M NOT ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER, I DON'T THINK OR KNOW IF YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE LAKE OR PUT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE FOR THAT SIZE WOULD WORK FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE. THAT IS WHY I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE THERE, I'M SAYING IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING SPACE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.
>> I THINK CONCEPTUALLY, WE HAVE DONE IT A LITTLE BIT BACKWARDS. IF YOU'RE ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHICH OF THESE ITEMS YOU WANT TO HAVE IN THE PARK, WHEN YOU ASKED THAT FIRST AND THEN DESIGN THE CONCEPT WITH THOSE ITEMS? YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONCERTS AT DIFFERENT THINGS IN THEM,
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BUT MAYBE WE WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE FROM EACH OF THOSE CONCEPTS TO COME UP WITH THE MASTER CONCEPT THAT IS APPROVEDBY EVERYBODY. >> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CONCEPTS IS THE MEETING SPACE.
>> THIS IS WHERE MAYBE I'M CONFUSED.ORIGINALLY WE HAD THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I PERSONALLY WANTED TO SEE BEACH VOLLEYBALL COURTS. I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE IN THE CONVERSATION BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS LIKE HERE ARE THE PROPOSALS, OF WHAT IS IN IT, TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU LIKE.I'M CONCERNED THAT, CONCEPTUALLY IS ONE THING BUT NOW WE ARE BEING TOLD PICK ONE OF THE OTHER.
I WORRY THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REAL INPUT.
>> BOB SUGGESTED PARKING SPACES NEXT TO THE MEETING PLACE IF WE
HAVE A MEETING PLACE. >> WHAT I WAS JUST AT THIS POINT IS TO HEAR THINGS LIKE THAT AND I CAN ASK THEM TO GO BACK AND DO A TWEAK. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I APOLOGIZE THIS IS NOT INCORPORATED AT THAT TIME, BUT WE ARE STILL IN THE BEGINNING STAGES SO LET'S GET IT DONE AND DO IT RIGHT. IF I NEED TO EXPEND ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO GET A RENDERING THAT IS MORE APPEALING TO THE BOARD,
THEN LET'S DO THAT. >> IN FAIRNESS, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS I MADE TO CHRISTINE THAT WERE INTEGRATED SO IT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ALL ON DEAF EARS.
NUMBER ONE, I AGREE. WE SHOULD REDUCE THE WATER SIZE TO WHATEVER IT IS, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT AND NO MORE. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON HIS PART, WE NEED THE PARK SPACE AND WE SHOULD MAXIMIZE THE LAND. NUMBER TWO, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TWO BASOPHILS BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSES VERSUS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD OR ANOTHER USE BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WILL PLAN ADULT BASEBALL FIELD THERE, PRIMARILY FOR THE ADULT ACTIVITIES AND NOT USE IT
>> GOING TO BE USED MULTIPURPOSE AS WELL.
BECAUSE OUR PARKS ARE SO PROGRAMMED, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND DISPLAY, YOU NOW THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO PLAY.
>> THE PROBLEM I HAVE AT THAT IS YOU CANNOT SPLIT A BASEBALL FIELD. IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 10 OR 20 PEOPLE ON THAT FIELD.
ON A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD, YOU CAN SPLIT UP TO 50 PEOPLE.
IF YOU WILL USE IT FOR NON-PROGRAMMING, WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF SPENDING THE MONEY ON AN EXTRA MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AND TWO BASEBALL FIELDS BUT THAT ISMY POSITION .
HAVING MORE COVERING OR STAGE WHETHER IT'S OVER THE PICKLE BALL COURTS , YOU CANNOT PUT SHADE STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT FIT STRUCTURES ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO LARGE. WE HAVE NEGOTIATED STRUCTURES OTHER THAN THE REC CENTER. WE HAVE NEGOTIATED STRUCTURES FOR PICKLE BALL AROUND THE CITY.
I WAS AT THE RESIDENCE ABOUT THE LITTLE VILLAGE, I DO NOT THINK THERE WAS A CONCERT WE NEEDED BUT THEY SAID YES.
THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE, THE ONLY WAY TO GENERATE REVENUE IS IF IT IS GOING TO BE USED CONSTANTLY.
THERE IS A BUILDING AT MULLINS PARK DOES NOT USE VERY MUCH AND I DOUBT IT GENERATES MUCH REVENUE, BUT IT IS GOING TO COST $5 MILLION PROMOTION ON THE CALCULAION.
THE ONLY WAY IT WILL GENERATE REVENUE THAT IS EASILY
ACCESSIBLE WITH PARKING. >> ONLY 60% OF THE PEOPLE SAID
THEY WERE NOT RENTED. >> MAYBE WE GET RID OF IT AND USE THE $500 ELSEWHERE. OR TAKE THE SAME SPACE AND MAKE AN OUTDOOR PAVILION THAT PEOPLE CAN WRITE WITH BARBECUE GRILLS AND PICNIC TABLES. I THINK THAT REMOVING THE WATER FEATURE, LIKE CONCEPT B BETTER. BY THE LAYOUT OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS TO COMMISSIONER CUTLER'S POINT.
THE BALLS ARE TO BE LESS LIKELY TO GO INTO CARS WITH THIS LAYOUT WITH THE BASEBALL FIELD. I WOULD THINK WE CAN GET RID OF THE WATER FEATURE TO THE RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE COMBINED WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I ALSO THINK IF YOU HAVE THIS CLASS OF FRONT AND CONCEPT B, THAT POSSIBLE ONLY BE USED ON RARE OCCASIONS WHETHER IT IS FOR A CRAFT FAIR, ART FAIR OR SOMETHING ELSE.
THE ITEMS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE USED MORE OFTEN ARE THE PICKLE BALL COURT, THE BASKETBALL COURT ETC. SO SHOULD BE CLOSE TO THE PARKING MAYBE YOU CAN BRING PARKING INTO THE AREA AND PUT THE PLAZA AND OTHER AREA OF THE PARK.
THOSE ARE A FEW OF MY THINGS. BUT, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT
ARE THE MOST PRESSING. >> EVERYONE STILL WANTED TO
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HAVE FESTIVALS OR ACTIVITIES. HIS AMBITION TO BE WHERE THE PAVILIONS ARE IN THE PICKLE BALL COURTS? IS THAT ENOUGH SIZE SOMEWHERE IF WE WERE DOING, TO CHOOSING THE FARMERS MARKET AS AN EXAMPLE?>> NOT A FARMERS MARKET, IT WOULD BE FOR A SMART TYPE OF
MARKET OR A CRAFT SHOW. >> IS ONLY 36 ACRES.
KEEP IN MIND, WHILE IT MAY LOOK ON PAPER LARGE, 36 ACRES, THAT
AREA IS NOT VERY BIG. >> THAT GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, HONEY PARKING SPACES TO BE HAPPIER?
>> 265 ON BOTH OF THEM. >> ASSUMING WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE, WE HAD 600 PEOPLE RESPOND TO THIS PART OF THE LIKELY WILL NOT USE IT. IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF EVENT OR ANYTHING BUT IT WAS A CRAFT FAIR ANYTHING, THE QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE ENVISIONING USING THE PARK FOR A PUBLIC EVENT?OVEREAGER TO DOWNSIZE AND EXCLUDE A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF RESIDENTS? >> WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY DOWNSIZE IT, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING SCHOLAR SMALLER SCALE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN LARGER BIG CONCERT FESTIVAL
STOP THAT WOULD. >> THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN HAVE
EVENTS THAT PIE TRAILS PARK. >> REALLY BIG NUMBER OF RESIDENTSSAYING THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE .
>> ASKED, WOULD YOU ATTEND AN EVENT?
>> THE MAJORITY OF THEM SAID YES THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THE QUESTION WAS IF YOUHAD AN EVENT , WOULD YOU ATTENDONE ?
>> I THINK WE NEEDTO MAKE A DECISION .
IF YOU WILL NOT COMMIT TO THE PUBLIC EVENT ASPECT OF IT, WE ARE WASTING GREEN SPACE THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE USED TO CONFIGURE THE LAYOUTS OF THE PARKING AS A FUNCTION OF THE PARK AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IT ALL UP TOP AND LETTING EVERYONE
FIGURE IT OUT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING MORE THAN ONE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD. IF YOU MOVE THE PICKLE BALL COURTS TO CONCEPT B THAT'S MIKE ACCOMPLISH TWO GOALS.
NUMBER ONE, HE MOVED THE PICKLE BALL COURTS CULTURE PARKING IN NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE TWO MULTIPURPOSE - - ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. THAT MAY BE ANOTHER WAY TO SKIN
THAT CAT. >> WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES - - THAT KIND OF PURPOSE.
THE FIELD SPACE YOU HALF IN THE MIDDLE OF CONCEPT B FOR THE PURPOSE SHOULD BE TURNED INTO A BALL FIELD OR PICKLE BALLCOURT OR SOMETHING ON THE LINES . THOSE WHO DO MORE UTILIZED AND IT MAKES MORE SENSE. IF WE HAVE SOME FOR THE FESTIVAL, EVEN IF WAS A SMALLER SIZE CRAFTING IN THE EQUESTRIAN
CENTER AREA. >> THIS WILL BE A SMALLER SCALE TYPE OF EVENT, MAYBE A LITTLE ART FESTIVAL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO AT THIS PARK.
>> AM DEFINITELY GETTING SOME GREAT NOTES.
THEY CONTINUED TO TELL ME WHERE THE PIECES TO YOU AND CONCEPT B. I HAVE A VISUALCREATED IN MY HEAD BY LISTENING TO BOTH SIMEON AND JORDAN . I KNOW KEN IS A UNCOVERED PICKLE BALL AND SIMEON IS BIG UNCOVERED BASKETBALL.
WE HEAR ALL THOSE CONCERNS. WE CAN GO BACK AND DO A REVISED
RENDERING. >> GET A LOOK AT THE COST, COVERED BASKETBALL, WE DON'T COVER LIKE FOOTBALL OR BASEBAL
. >> SENT ME WAS HOW TO PRIORITIZE AND RANK WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT AFFORD.
>> HE CAN PLAY FOOTBALL OR SOCCER.
>> THESE WILL NOT BE PROGRAMME , THERE'S A SMALL BIT OF RAIN COULD SOAK THE BALL AROUND OR PLAY LACROSSE OR SOCCER, YOU CANNOT DO THAT EITHER OF THE COURTS, THAT IS THE CHALLENGE.
IF WE DO NOT DO THE PAVILION. >> WE GOT THERE BRIAN?
>> FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T - -.
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>> I WOULD ALSO THE PERSON TO THE SPLASH PAD BE A BIGGER FEATURE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE. CORAL SPRINGS DID IN THE CREDIBLE ONE, WE HAD A LIBERTY PARTICULARLY COMMITTO ONE .
THE NINJA COURSE TAKES A SIGNIFICANT WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL HAVE THE SAME UTILIZATION IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AGE OF KID THE LOW RANKING, THEN THEY ARE MORE INCLINED TO USE THE SPLASH PAD THAN A 1 TO 7-YEAR-OLD ON ANINJ COURSE .
>> ADOLESCENTS WILL GO THERE ON THEIR OWN .
10, 11, 12-YEAR-OLD KID WILL RIDE HIS BIKE TO THE PARK AND PLAY WITH HIS FRIENDS ON HIS OWN SO THE PARENTS WILL BE
BRINGING DOWN. >> ALTHOUGH TALKING ABOUT WAS
THE SIZE OF THE SPLASH PAD. >> I'M NOT DISAGREEING, I WAS TALKING BETTER NINJA WARRIOR IN THE PARK ITSELF.
THE RESPONDENT SAID THEY WILL BRING HER CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BRING THE OLDER CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WILL GO
THERE ON THEIR OWN. >> OF THE SURVEY AS IT WOULD YOUR KIDS USE THIS COLLECTED AS COULD YOU BRING YOUR KIDS TO
IT? >> AFTER EIGHT OF THE KIDS IN
THE HOUSEHOLD. >> WE ARE NOT DISAGREEING JORDAN. IT'S A BIGGER, MORE RIGHT NOW
SO WE HAVE OUR VIEWS. >> I HAD TO GET THE DESIGNERS AND COME UP WITH THE RENDERING. I'M DECIDING IF I WILL BRING IT BACK FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION OR VISIT WITH EACH OF YOU INDEPENDENTLY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE IS TO HAVE US ALL DISCUSS IT.
WHEN WE DO THINGS ONE ON ONE, I AM WORRIED WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS MORE OF THE ACTUAL NUTS AND BOLTS AS OPPOSED TO CONCEPTUAL AND IT GETS FURTHER ALONG IN READING THE CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT UNTIL NOW IT IS LATER ON DOWN THE
DECISION-MAKING PROCESS . >> ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND TOO THAT WE ALL CAN BE DESIGNERS AND ARCHITECTS, IT IS VERY TO SEEK DIFFICULT WHEN YOU PROFESSIONALS TO COME UP WITH A VERSION SO I HAVE TO BE TOP OF THAT PROCESS.
>> ONTO ECHO COMMISSION ISRAEL'S COMMENTS.
>> THERE ARE MANY GREAT THINGS WITH HIS CONCEPTS MILD DIMINISH THAT. FOR ME PERSONALLY, TO APPROVE WEATHER IS 20, 25 OR $20 MILLION MANAGER ON THE PARK, I WILLING TO GIVEN THE COLLECTIVE BODY.
>> AND DISAGREE WITH EITHER OF YOU GUYS, BUT TO NANCY'S POINT, WE DESIGNERS WERE SAYING THAT THIS IS THE PARK THIS WILL WORK FOR PEOPLE TO WORK IN.
I'M NOT A DESIGNER OR AN ARCHITECT.
I WILL DEFER TO A PROFESSIONAL IN THE PARKING SPOT.
THAT WAS IT IS ONLY POINT. >> EYELINER HELP STAFF AND NANCY, WE CAN SPEND $25 MILLION AND SAY - - IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WILL BEGAN THE PROCESS AND IT WILL BE TOO LATE OR COSTLY TO GO AHEAD AND REVAMP IT. YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE VOTE AGAINST IT BUT NOT THE OTHER 20% THAT WAS FIXED.
>> WE ARE ALL USERS OF THE PAR .
I THINK FOR ME, THE PARKING STEP 12 SPACES NOT EIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS.
JUST CONCEPTUALLY WHEN WE COME BACK AND HERE'S WHAT THE DESIGN IS, I MAY LOOK AT IT WITH THE TERM AND THE PLAYGROUND, THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD ADD A SHADE COVERING? LET ME LOOK AT IT AND WE DO NOT THINK ABOUT IT.
AS PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION SHE GOT MY PRACTICALITY WAS, THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING. NONE OF US ARE REALLY SEDUCING THE DESIGNER THAT THIS ARCHITECTURE DID THIS, IT'S MORE FROM A USER PERSPECTIVE THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. MAYBE A TWEAK HERE OR THERE AND
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TO AVOID ODYSSEY CHANGE ORDERS OR SOMETHING, WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO 60% OF THE DESIGN PHASE AND SAY CAN YOU CHANGES OR CHANGE THAT? THAT THE OTHER ASPECT AT CONCERNS ABOUT. WE ARE ON TIME WITH THE DELIVERY OF IT.THE LESS WE CAN GET TO THE WEEDS IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE AS WE MOVE FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD.THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. >> DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN?
>> YES, WE HAVE THE WISH LIST. WE WILL GO BACK AND REWORK SOME
OF THE DESIGNS. >> I HAVE ONE INITIAL NOTE I DO NOT COVER. WE LOOK AT PINE TRAILS, THE AMENITIES THAT ATTRACT THE LITTLE KIDS, PARENTS WILL BE TAKING THEIR BABIES IN STROLLERS ARE ALL OVER NEAR THE PARKING. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY AND CONCEPT B TO FLIP THE CONCEPTS BECAUSE OLDER KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR BIKES AND WALK A LITTLE FURTHER.
THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH THE VILLAGE AS
WELL, THE PUSH THAT CLOSER. >> WE DID HAVE AN INTERNAL
CONVERSATION ON THAT. >> ONE LAST THING, IF WE CAN PUT THE BANK SHOT CLOSER TO THE BASKETBALL COURT.
THE MORE FUN TO PLAY BANK SHOT, IT IS NOT LIMITED TO SEPARATE
THE TWO. >> OKAY, ANYBODY HAVE ONE LAST
THING BEFORE WE WRAP IT UP? >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> SECOND
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