[1. Call to Order] [00:00:10] WELCOME TO THE CITY OF PARKLAND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. IT IS 6 PM THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 9. CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER. EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH JUSTICE AND FOR ALL. >> ROLL CALL PLEASE. >> BEFORE WE START I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHEN YOU'RE READY TO TALK, PRESS YOUR BUTTON. IT'S NOT ON UNTIL YOU PRESS IT. [4. Approval of Minutes] >> THANK YOU. ITEM FOR A APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 12 822. IS THERE A MOTION? >> ALL MAKE A MOTION OF RECORD ICING THAT YOU CORRECTED THE DATE. >> I CORRECTED THE DATE. >> SECONDED BY DEREK. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. >> THANK YOU. OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OF WHICH I DON'T SEE ANY. HAS OUR BEEN ANY LETTERS OR ANYTHING WE NEED TO CONTEND WITH? >> I WOULD HAVE TO RUN TO MY EMAIL. THE RIVERSTONE SHOPPING CENTER, THE OWNER, ISAAC, HE KNOWS THE SIGN CONE CHANGES BECAUSE HE CAME TO VISIT WITH GAIL BECAUSE HE IS PROPOSING OUT PARCEL BUILDING. HE WANTED TO COME TONIGHT TO YOU. HE CALLED ME AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SAID HE COULDN'T MAKE IT. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AN EMAIL TO ME. IT DIDN'T COME IN TIME FOR THE MEETING. HE IS SUPPORTING IT. HE'S JUST GONNA TELL YOU THAT HE SUPPORTS IT. IT ALLOWS HIM TO GET ANOTHER SIGN. ON 441. >> MAYBE WE SHOULD REPEAT THAT WILL BE OPEN INTO THE PUBLIC FOR THE AGENDA ITEM SO, NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR NOTING THAT. WE NOW WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS COMMENTS BY THE CHAIR OTHER THAN TO WELCOME EVERYBODY. NOT NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. HAPPY NEW YEAR. SENSORS ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA DON'T THINK THERE'S COULD BE ANY CHANGES BUT I WILL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES? SEEING NONE I WILL OPEN AND [7. Approval of the Agenda] ANNOUNCE ITEM 8, PUBLIC HEARING. A. >> DOES EVERYONE APPROVE OF THE [8A. Ordinance 2023-002 - Land Development Code Update - Signage Consideration of an Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, amending the City's Land Development Code by amending Article 100 "Signage" to revise and update the City's signage regulations; providing for codification; conflicts, severability, and an effective date.] AGENDA SAY I? >> YES. >> I. THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING ITEM 8 ITEM A. ORDINANCE 2023-002 MINUS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE MINUS SIGNAGE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE 100 "SIGNAGE" TO REVISE AND UPDATE THE CITY'S SIGNAGE REGULATIONS; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GAIL. WELCOME. >> HI EVERYBODY. WE WILL GET INTO SOME MEAT AND POTATOES HERE TONIGHT. [LAUGHTER]. SO WE ARE PROPOSING SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE SIGN CODE. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HISTORY HERE. THIS VERSION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE COAT WAS ORIGINALLY PREPARED BY ANTHONY'S OFFICE A FEW YEARS BACK. I WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS IN HIS OFFICE THAT HAS A SPECIAL TEAM SIGN. DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOPS IN APRIL 2022 THE CITY COMMISSION SAID, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIGN CODE. BUT SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN TWEAK TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES OUT. WE DID TAKE A LOOK AND WE IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THAT WE THOUGHT COULD BE IMPROVED. PREDOMINANTLY THEY ARE DEALING WITH MONUMENT SIGNS. WHILE SIGNAGE IN THE CITY SEEMS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD ORDER. WE DON'T GET COMPLAINTS FROM TENANTS THAT IT'S AN UNREASONABLE REQUIREMENT. THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING FINE. MOST OF THE REVISIONS YOU SEE TONIGHT ARE NORMALLY FOCUSED ON MONUMENT SIGNS WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNAGE. WHILE WERE HERE WE ARE ALSO TWEAKING A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEFINITIONS. WE'VE GOT SOME LITTLE INCONSISTENCIES WITH FLAGPOLES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RUN BY YOU TO ADDRESS. AND, MY PLAN, ONE OF THE TOPICS AS FAR AS GROUND SIGNS WE ARE GOING TO BE COVERING TONIGHT HAS TO DO WITH THEIR HEIGHT, THEIR SIZE, THEIR SETBACK AND HOW MANY. BECAUSE THAT'S A [00:05:07] VERY FOCUSED DISCUSSION ON KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS ORDINANCE. WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS BRING THAT AT THE END AND GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY WITH YOU. THAT WAY IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH SOME OF THEM WE CAN FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT. I'M GONNA LEAVE THE REAL MEAT AND POTATOES FOR THE END OF THE PRESENTATION SO WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT AREA. OKAY? SO, TO GET STARTED WHERE DO WE START. OKAY. I NEED MY CLICKER HERE. IT WON'T ROOM TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT. OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY, IT WASN'T WORKING. IT WASN'T ME. >> WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT COMMISSIONER BRIAR IS IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING. WELCOME SIR. >> OKAY, THESE ARE THE AREAS WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. SEEMS LIKE A LOT. A LOT OF THESE ARE LIKE I SAID, MINOR TWEAKING. DON'T BE TO CONCERNED. THESE ARE ALL THE CODE SECTIONS WE WILL BE ROLLING THROUGH TONIGHT. THE ONE WERE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS FIRST LIST BUT, REQUIRE PERMITS FOR ZONES IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS. SO, FIRST SECTION HUNDRED 520. CLEANING UP ADULT COUPLE DEFINITIONS HERE. THE COMES TO SIGN AREA, NORMALLY WE JUST PUT GEOMETRIC BOX AROUND THE COPY AND THAT DETERMINES THE AREA OF THE SIGN. THE CURRENT DEFINITION KIND OF READS LIKE RECOUNTING THE HOME BASE OF THE BOX. TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE FINE-TUNING THAT. ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO OFF SITE SIGNAGE WHICH CAN ALSO INCLUDE BILLBOARDS. THAT WASN'T DEFINED IN THE CODE SO WERE ADDING THAT DEFINITION. IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITHOUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. THE NEXT SECTION AGAIN IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FINE-TUNING. UNDER THE PROHIBITED SIGN SECTION IT SAYS PERMANENT SANDWICH SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED. BUT YET TEMPORARY SANDWICH SIGNS ARE PERMITTED. AGAIN, WE ARE CLARIFYING THAT LANGUAGE. AND ON BOX OR CABINET SIGNS WE DO ALLOW WHAT'S CALLED A PIERCED BOX FOR OUR MONUMENT SIGNS. WE ARE CLARIFYING THAT, YOU CANNOT HAVE A BOX SIGN FOR YOUR WALL-MOUNTED SIGN BUT, THERE ARE SOME TYPES OF PIERCED BOXES THAT ARE PERMITTED ON GROUND SIGNS. AGAIN, CLARIFYING THAT LANGUAGE. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT SANDWICH IS. I'M SLOW. COOK'S SANDWICH SIGNS ARE LITTLE A-FRAME POP-UPS YOU WILL SEE OUT ON THE SIDEWALK. USUALLY NO MORE THAN 3 OR 4 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. USUALLY TRIANGULAR. UNLIKE A LITTLE STAND. >> 5 DOLLAR BEERS TONIGHT? >> LIKE A CAMPAIGN SIGN? >> NO. >> I KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A SAWHORSE WITH THE SIGN FACE ON IT. OKAY? I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. UNDER 570 RIGHT THE BUILDING FICIAL IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE SIGNED CODE. MORE ADDING THE PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER OR OTHER OTHER DESIGNEES CAN INITIATE SIGN CODE ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. >> IS NOT BESIDE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT? >> YES. YES. >> IS IT A GIVEN HOURS AT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS WELL? OR THAT WOULD BE THEIR DESIGNEE? >> I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER CHAPTER OF THE CODE THAT DEALS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT I THINK IS VERY BROAD IN TERMS OF WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ENFORCE. >> RIGHT. CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ENFORCE SINUS AND THIS PROVISION SAID THE BUILDING ENFORCEMENT CAN ENFORCE SIGNAGE PRINT PLANNING AND ZONING IS REALLY WHO IS MONITORING COPY. AS MUCH AS WE CAN CONTROL COPY. >> ONE IS OUR LANGUAGE ABOUT HANDHELD SIGNS? I DON'T, B. >> GUYS ON THE CORNER THAT DO THAT? >> ARROWS AT SAGO FIREHOUSE AT RYAN HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> TECHNICALLY IS PROHIBITED. ALTHOUGH I'M A PARKLAND RESIDENT AND I DO SEE RYAN HOMES OCCASIONALLY OUT AT 441. THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY I BELIEVE. >> I'M SURE YOU SAW THAT TOO APPEARED THESE TO DO IT ON THE CORNER GOING TO YOUR PLACE. [00:10:05] >> OH YEAH. IT'S.[INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> LET'S KEEP GOING THROUGH. >> BUT, B. >> IS PROHIBITED SO WE CALL COULD ENFORCEMENT OUT TO SHUT THEM DOWN. >> SO IT STILL PROHIBITED UNDER 100 Ã550. IT'S NOT PILOTED HERE? >> LET ME DOUBLE CHECK IF IT'S AN EXISTING CODE IN THAT PARTICULAR CODE SECTION 550. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> NO ISSUES FOR ME. IT DOESN'T HURT. >> AS A PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER THE HIGHEST-RANKING PLANNING AND ZONING PERSON IN THE CITY? >> THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, YES. THAT'S MY POSITION. >>SO MY ROLE THE HIGHEST-RANKING PLANNING AND ZONING G PERSON IS DEALING WITH ENFORCEMENT OF SCIENCE. I AGREE WITH NATHANIEL. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS THAT ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY IN MY VIEW. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> FOR SURE. TO DO, AND HOW THAT VERBIAGE. >> RIGHT. AND THAT IT WOULD YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON DELETING 570 BECAUSE IT IS COVERED THAT BASICALLY CODE COMPLIANCE CAN BE INITIATED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT. >> I THANK YOU'RE LOOKING TO ADD IT IN. I THINK THEY WANT TO ADD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE COULD DO THAT. >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. NOT A PROBLEM. >> I'M SORRY. >> THAT WAS MINE POSITION STATING IT'S A GIVEN THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ONE OF THE REGULATORY EYES AND EARS OF THE SIGN CODE. >> MURRAY, WHEN THE PERMIT COMES IN, THE PERMIT COMES IN FOR REVIEW. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ONLY CALLED WHEN WE GET A CALL SAYING SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL OUT THERE. BUT PROCESSING OF PERMITS GETTING APPROVED THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING. >> RIGHT. GOING BACK TO JOEL'S QUESTION SECTION 550 UNDER PROHIBITED SCIENCE. >> CAN I INTERJECT. JUST FROM A POLICY WRITING PERSPECTIVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I USUALLY DON'T LIKE TO PUT A TITLE LIKE MANAGER. BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU GET PROMOTED TO DIRECTOR ONE DAY. I LIKE TO SEE HEAD OF, HEAD OF WHATEVER. THAT'S MY OPINION. I LIKE TO SEE HEADING OF PLANNING AND ZONING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE. IF YOUR TITLE CHANGES AND YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE HERE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. YOU MIGHT. >> HAS THE TITLE AND ZONING IS VERY, KNOXVILLE, CORRECT. OKAY, I THINK WE COVERED 570. TO ANSWER JOEL'S QUESTION. IN 550 IT TALKS ABOUT ANIMATED SCIENCE, SNIPE SCIENCE, PROJECTING, FLASHING, FLUTTERING, WIND, INFLATABLE'S, REVOLVING OR ROTATING BUT, WHAT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY STATE IS SOMEONE HOLDING THE SIGN. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS RECOMMENDATION WE CERTAINLY COULD ADD IT. I WILL ADD THAT UNDER 550. OKAY. LET'S PUT, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? PEOPLE WAIVERS? >> PROACTIVE FOR PROPER SIGNAGE. >> RIGHT. I THINK IT'S DISTRACTING TO DRIVERS. QUICK SOCKEYE IS OUT THERE FLIPPING THE SIGN 45 TIMES WHY YOU'RE SITTING IN A TRAFFIC LIGHT SPINNING IT. >> AND IS DOING ACROBATICS. IT'S DISTRACTING. >> I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. LOOKS ME NEITHER. I FIND IT AMAZING. >> IS TEMPORARY BUT, IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. [00:15:03] >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IF IT'S PROHIBITED AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T LABEL DO IT UNTIL SOMEBODY TELLS HIM NOT TO. BUT, IT WILL BE IN THE CODE OR IN THE REGULATIONS OR IN THE ORDINANCE SO IF IT BECOMES A DISTRACTION OR AN ISSUE OR PROBLEM THERE IS SOME BELT AND SUSPENDERS TO ADDRESS AND DEAL WITH IT. >> RIGHT. >> SOME PEOPLE GO OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEY SHOULDN'T. POINT IN TIME TO PAY THE CONSEQUENT IS FOR THAT. >> ARE BREACHES KEEPING THE CODE THE WAY IT IS? >> YEAH, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK IN THE END. >> BUT HOSTILE FEELS ABOUT IT. LIKE TO SHAKE THEM AWAY. SOMETHING DID SOMETHING AROUND THE CORNER AND GET AMOUNT. I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING ¦ >> UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY? >> THEY PUT SIGNS ALL AROUND HERE. >> THOSE ARE SNIPE SCIENCE AND THOSE ARE PROHIBITED. >> THERE BIG ON THAT. STAFF, THEY DO IT ON WEEKENDS. WE CAN'T CATCH THEM AND NICOLE IS NOT EVEN HERE ON WEEKENDS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. >> THEY CONSIDER THIS TYPE SCIENCE IS PROHIBITED. >> WE ARE ADVISORY. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO GO IN IT. COMMISSION WILL BE THE ULTIMATE SAY SO. IF WE COULD DO ONE OF OURS WHEN WE GET TO THE END AND HAVE OUR OTHER ISSUES. WE CAN DO ¦ >> WE WILL DO A TALLY. >> WE WILL PROVIDE OUR MICE GIVEN THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER. SO CONTINUE. THANK YOU. >> WILL CONTINUE AND I WILL COME BACK TO THE POWERPOINT AND PGO OKAY HERE WAS THE DISCUSSION. HERE'S THE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, SO, LET'S TALK FLAGPOLES DOWN. CURRENTLY UNDER SECTION 580, FLAGPOLES ARE PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL AND THEY ARE ALSO PERMITTED OUR NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE FINE. THERE'S NO ABUSE OF FLAG INSTALLATIONS. WE ARE NOT HAVING A PROBLEM WITH IT. IN REVIEWING THE SIDE COAT IT CAME TO LIGHT IS THAT IN NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE HEIGHT OF A FOG BOLT WAS LIMITED TO 20 FEET. IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THE HEIGHT OF FLAGPOLES WERE LIMITED TO 25 FEET. ET. SO, YOU KNOWSOME OF OUR LEADING POLLS IN PARKING LOTS AND COMMERCIAL CENTERS WILL BE UP AT THE 25 FOOT HEIGHT. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE RESIDENTIAL WOULD HAVE A HIGHER ALLOWANCE FOR FLAGPOLES THAN NONRESIDENTIAL. ALTHOUGH THIS IS KIND OF A LOT OF LANGUAGE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS UNDER A MONTH WE ARE REDUCING THE HEIGHT FROM 25 4 RESIDENTIAL TO 20. OKAY? ? IN THE NEXT SECTION OF SEAT WERE DOING THE OPPOSITEFORCE NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. FOR INCREASING THE AMOUNTS FROM TO 25. >> WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT 25 VERSUS 20 IN A RESIDENTIAL? >> WELL, ACTUALLY, SOMETHING ANTHONY AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER. IF YOU ARE UNCOMFORTABLE REDUCING THE HEIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PATRIOTISM IS SUPPORTED OBVIOUSLY. WE CAN JUST INCREASE THE NONRESIDENTIAL TO MATCH THE RESIDENTIAL AND NOT DROP THE RESIDENTIAL FROM 25 TO 20. X SO LET'S SAY WE DO DROP IT. [INAUDIBLE]. . >> THOSE A BIT NON- CONFORMANT GRANDFATHERED IN. IF THE ENTIRE POLE, SAY OUT IN THE BRANCHES. WE HAVE A 25 FOOT FLAGPOLE. IF THE ENTIRE POLE BLOWS DOWN, A REPLACEMENT POLE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE NEW STANDARD. BUT, IF YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MAINTAIN OR REPLACE MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE VALUE OF THAT STRUCTURE. >> THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE SHOULD NOT BE TINKERING WITH. IF THERE'S A 25 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AS THE HIGHEST HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWABLE IN THE CODE REGARDLESS OF THE DISTRICT, THEN WE SHOULD JUST RAISE THAT TO BE THE STANDARD ACROSS THE CITY. MAKE IT SIMPLE STUPID AND WE DON'T ANGER PEOPLE AND WE DON'T TINKER WITH PATRIOTISM. THEN WE HAVE BIG KERFUFFLE AT A CITY COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE WERE PLAYING WITH MY FEET. THEN PEOPLE START ASKING QUESTIONS IF WERE FOR BOOK BURNING, FLAGBURNING AND THEN THE WHOLE MESS STARTS. SO, THE BEST [00:20:02] THING I DO I BELIEVE IS TO RAISE IT TO THE 25 ACROSS THE CITY. LEAVE IT AT THAT. I THINK IT WILL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY HAPPY. >> NO KERFUFFLE SPEARED. >> I AGREE WITH ANTHONY. >> OKAY. MY NOTE IS GOING TO SAY TO INCREASE THE NONRESIDENTIAL FROM 20 Ã25 AND NOT TO MODIFY THE RESIDENTIAL AND MAINTAIN THE 25 THAT IS EXISTING. >> IS A BACKWARDS? >> RESIDENTIAL INSTANTLY 25. IT WILL STATE WI-FI. NONRESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY AT 20. WE WILL INCREASE IT TO 25. OKAY. GREAT. MOVING ON. IN SECTION 1050, OUR NEXT LITTLE SECTION HERE. ALL WERE DOING, THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE SPECIFIES 9 MONTHS. ALL WE ARE SAYING IS WERE GOING TO DEFER TO THE APICAL TIME LIMITATIONS OF AFFORDABILITY CODE. IF THAT CHANGES WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO CODE AMENDMENTS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] OBVIOUSLY MY DAYS ARE NOT SPENT DELVING INTO THE SIGN CODES OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND ALTHOUGH IT REALLY SHOULD. THE CONCEPT WE ARE LIMITING PEOPLE TO 2 FLAGS ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT BIZARRE TO ME. CONSUMING UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ENTRE PARADE OF THINGS ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY IN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THEY ARE ALREADY REGULARLY FLAGS AND SIGNS. WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NON- HOA PORTIONS OF PROPERTIES? >> EXACTLY. WE DON'T SEE THEM IN THE HOA'S. >>.[INAUDIBLE]. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE SEEN YOU CAN'T HAVE 3 FLAGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DO WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE NUMBER FLAGS PEOPLE ARE FLYING ON THE PROPERTY? >> I'M NOT AWARE SINCE I BEEN HERE OF ANY COMPLAINTS REGARDING FLAGS. >> HOW DID THIS COME UP IF WERE NOT GETTING ANY COMPLAINTS? AND WHY DO WE GO BACK TO THE TINKERING ON THIS? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THIS LANGUAGE IS IN THERE. THE REASON WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE IN STRATEGIC PLANNING WE WERE ASKED TO REVIEW THE SIGN CODE AND WHAT WE FOUND IS A FEW INCONSISTENCIES THAT WE ARE CLEANING UP LIKE THIS. PREDOMINANTLY WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE GROUND SCIENCE AND SITE INCREASE AND HOW THOSE ARE HANDLED. THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE CODE FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU CAN HAVE ONE, 2 FLAGPOLES WITH ONE FLANK. OR, YOU CAN HAVE ONE FLAGPOLE WITH 2 FLAGS OR YOU COULD HAVE 2 FLAGS ON THE BUILDING. THAT'S CURRENTLY MUCH OF THE CODE. WE WEREN'T MODIFYING THEM. WE WERE JUST ADDRESSING THE HEIGHT INCONSISTENCY. THERE WAS SOMETHING WHICH IT SAID YOU COULD HAVE THOSE NUMBER OF FLAGS PER PROPERTY OWNER. SO WE CHANGED IT TO HER PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERS AND OUT HOW MANY FLAGS? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT, THAT WAS ONE MORE SLIDE BACK. B WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY LITERACY WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL OR NONRESIDENTIAL. THE RESIDENTIAL READS THE SAME WAY. >>.[INAUDIBLE]. I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE ONE FLANK PEOPLE. >> IT'S A NONISSUE UNTIL WE START CHANGING IT. >> WERE NOT AWARE OF IT BEING AN ISSUE. >> NOW, ¦ >> WHAT EXACTLY, WE ALL SEE THE CHANGES PROPOSED. WHAT ARE THE INCONSISTENCIES? I DO SEE THE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE 25 FOOT HEIGHT ERSUS THE 20. I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED AND RECTIFIED THAT. X RIGHT. >> WHAT ARE THE OTHER INCONSISTENCIES? >> WELL, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I EVEN WENT INTO THIS CODE SECTION. IT WAS ONE OTHER SMALL TWEAK OF FINE WORDING. IT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE 2 FLAGS PER PROPERTY OWNER. IN SLIGHT, WHAT IF I HAVE 3 OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY? MIKE AT 6 FLAGS? WAS CHANGED TO FLAGS PER PROPERTY INSTEAD OF PROPERTY OWNER. LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS JUST A MINOR CLARIFICATION OF LANGUAGE. >> PER PROPERTY PARCEL ID NUMBER. >> YES BOOKS SOME PROPERTIES HAVE 7 PROPERTY ID NUMBERS. I THINK IT'S GETTING TO [00:25:06] COMPLICATED. >> RIGHT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. >> IF IT'S OVER 2 ACRES YOU'RE ALLOWED YOUTO. [INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. >> MY INPUT WOULD BE EITHER LEAVE IT ALONE OTHER THAN THE HEIGHT TO EVEN THE SOUND. I THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL-SUITED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY ELSE HAS INPUT ON? >> I WOULD LEAVE IT ALONE. A 25 FOOT POLE AND AGAIN IF YOU START ADDING IN MULTIPLE FLAGS YOU GOTTA THINK I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T GO RERUN THE CALCULATIONS. I'M GUESSING THE DESIGNER PUT IT FOR ONE FLAG. 25 IS A PRETTY LOW POLE TO HAVE 3 FLAGS FLYING ON. >> FOR THE RECORD, I THINK IT 12 YEARS OF ONLY HAD TO REVIEW 2 NOT A BIG DEAL. >> THE HOA'S DON'T APPROVE THEM SO WE DON'T SEE THEM IN ANY OF OUR PLANNED COMMUNITIES. SO, CURRENTLY THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AND RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU HAVE 202 ACRES YOU GET ONE IF YOU HAVE OVER 2 ACRES YOU GET 2 POLES. FOR NONRESIDENTIAL IT'S ONE POLE WITH 2 FLAGS OR 2 POLES WITH ONE FLAG. [LAUGHTER]. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY, THAT SOUNDS FINE. ALL WERE GONNA DO IS BASICALLY IN THE NONRESIDENTIAL INCREASE THAT HEIGHT FROM 20 Ã25. I WILL BE THE ONLY CHANGE. RATE. >> THINKING. >> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY GAIL. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE CLARIFICATION ON THE PER PROPERTY OWNER VERSUS PER PROPERTY? >> YES. >> THAT'S A SEMANTICS THING. NOT CHANGING ANYBODY'S ABILITY. >> HAVE CURRENTLY WHAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE NOW. >> THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT ONE POINT THERE WAS NO LANGUAGE FOR FLAGPOLES IN THE CITY. AT ONE POINT, WHEN, I DON'T KNOW. JUST THINK OF THE LEAP TO PUT THE FLAG POLE BERLIN. THAT'S CRAZINESS. >> DON'T HAVE A FLAG POLE AT OUR ROUNDABOUT? TO WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT? >> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE 3 OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL HERE. [LAUGHTER]. OKAY. >> SWAYS THE HORSE FENCING IN THE ROUNDABOUT? NO, I'M SORRY. THAT'S FOR ANOTHER MEETING. >>.[LAUGHTER]. OKAY. YOU GUYS READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT COUPLE HERE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>.[LAUGHTER]. OKAY, UNDER 1050 ON PERMIT STATUS WE ARE DEFERRING TO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IN CASE THE 9 MONTHS IS MODIFIED. 1060. WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS WITH ANTHONY'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW. OUR PROPOSAL WAS TO LEAVE THIS. TO ME IT'S ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION. ANTHONY'S OFFICE IS CONCERNED UNTIL HE DID THIS AND WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. >> GAIL, IF I GIVE A LITTLE EXPLANATION? I THANKS THIS WILL BE GOOD FRAMEWORK IN CASE YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING SOME OTHER CHANGES BUT, THE LAST TIME THIS ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED ONCE IN LATE 2015. I WAS NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY THERE IT WAS ANY PROGRESS. HE WENT TO THE SAME PERSON THAT I WOULD GO TO WHICH IS ONE OF MY PARTNERS WHICH IS ONE OF THE PREMIER EXPERTS. HE IS DRAFTED AS MUCH SIGN CODE REVISIONS OF ANYBODY ELSE. WHAT NECESSITATED THAT WERE MISSED CHANGE THERE WAS A US SUPREME COURT DECISION REED VERSUS TOMMY GILBERT OUT OF ARIZONA. WERE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT TOOK A PRETTY STRICT READING OF FIRST AMENDMENT AND IN THE TOWN OF GILBERT. DAN DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE. THEN THEY DID FOR POLITICAL OR IDEOLOGICAL SIGNAGE. THE SUPREME COURT BASICALLY SAID THAT YOU REALLY COUNT HAVE DIFFERENT [00:30:12] REGULATIONS BASED ON CONTENT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT DECISION NEARLY EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT I AM AWARE OF IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAD TO REVISE THEIR SIGN CODES BECAUSE ONE COULD ARGUE ARE GOOD REASONS TO HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS THAT MAY BE A SIGN THAT HAS A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE YOU MIGHT WANT TO TRY TREAT DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL SITE HAS AN ARROW THAT'S POINTING WHERE IT GOES. WHAT GAIL IS ALLUDING TO HERE COME HAVE CONCERNS WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE COPY HAVING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. WE WANT TO STEER AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT SEEMS LIE WE ARE REGULATING BASED ON CONTENT. KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF IT SEEMS TO MAYBE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A COMMERCIAL SIGN BUT NOT NECESSARILY THIS TYPE OF SIGN. THEY ARE LIMITED WHAT WE COULD DO AFTER THAT DECISION. >> YEAH. ANTHONY ARE YOU AWARE, WAS THAT WHEN THE CITY REACHED OUT AND HAD SOME INPUT FROM AN ATTORNEY IN EITHER WASHINGTON OR JACKSONVILLE? ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN DEALING WITH THE #CODE CHANGE IN REGULATIONS? WE OUTSOURCED #CODE REVISION. WAS NOT PRIOR TO 2015? >> 2015 I WAS ON THE CITY ATTORNEY. ANDY I BELIEVE HAS HIS OWN OFFICE OF THE TIME. WE OUTSOURCED TERM WAS PROBABLY MY FIRM A NOTE SHE WROTE YOUR 2015 ORDINANCE OR BIG PART OF IT. >> RIGHT. SO, ANTHONY IS CONCERNED ABOUT DELETING THIS. THE REASON I WANT TO DELETE IT IS IT'S EXEMPTING YOU FROM GETTING A PERMIT FOR COPY. ANTHONY IS CORRECT. WE CAN'T NECESSARILY CONTROL WHAT IT SAYS. BUT, WE DO HAVE CONTROLS ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SCIENCE THE POTENTIALLY HAVE TENANT PANELS. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT IT SAYS. FOR LOOKING OUT THE COLOR OF THE COPY, THE SIZE OF THE COPY, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OVERALL COPY. TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AESTHETICS OF THE SIGN ARE IN COMPLIANCE. WE PULL A SIGN PERMIT WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT TECHNICALLY A BUILDING PERMIT. THE BUILDING PERMIT WOULD BE FOR THE GROUND SIGN STRUCTURE ITSELF. THE SIGN PERMIT IS WHAT'S THE COPY REVIEW. IT'S NOT A COPY CONTROL IT'S AN AESTHETIC REVIEW. SO, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. MAYBE THE WORDING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND BE MORE SPECIFIC AS TO A SIGN PERMIT VERSUS A BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR VERIFICATION OF UNIFORM SIGN AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ¦ >> IF I CAN ANSWER THAT. THE SECTION WERE DEALING WITH HIS EXEMPTION FOR HAVING TO GET THE SIGN PERMIT. DOESN'T EXEMPT YOU FROM THE UNDERLYING REGULATION. WE CAN STILL ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS IT IS JUST YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. >> WE WOULD POTENTIALLY END UP DOING CODE ENFORCEMENT AFTER THE INSTALLATION. >> MY BROTHER HOW TO DEAL WITH UPFRONT PERSONALLY. >> JOEL IS REFERENCING GUYS, JOEL IS REFERENCING, SHE CAN'T HEAR YOU. JOEL IS REFERENCING UNDER SECTION 100 1060 EXEMPTION C. WHICH LISTS FLAGS. DOESN'T LIST FLAGPOLES. IT LISTS THE STATES FLAGS. IN WHAT CONTEXT IS A FLAG ASSIGNED ACCESS IS SAINT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR FLAG FROM A CANADIAN FLAG TO AN AMERICAN FLIGHT YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT? >> NO. >> THAT'S WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO HERE. THAT'S HOW I READ IT. >> I READ IT THE SAME WAY. YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT TO CHANGE. UNLESS WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING TRICKLE TRIGGERS A BUILDING PERMIT LIKE EVERY DOING SOMETHING STRUCTURALLY WITH THE FLAG. YOU LOOK AT THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE, THE OTHER TYPE OF SIGNAGE SO IT'S LISTED IN THIS SECTION, FLAGS, WINDOW SIGNS. YOU COULD INSTALL, IT MAY BE THAT THE RIGHT WORD WITHOUT STRUCTURAL SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL COMPONENT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] DO NOT REQUIRE BROKE BUILDING PERMIT. ANY CHANGE TO THE STYLE OR COLOR OR SIZE WILL REQUIRE A SIGN [00:35:06] PERMIT. >> A SIGN PERMIT, YES. THAT IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION THAN THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE GROUND SIGN STRUCTURE ITSELF. >> GOT IT. >> YOU CAN SAY, HOWEVER THIS EXEMPTION WHICH IS FROM THE SIGN PERMIT RECURRENCE NO WEIGHT WAIVES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BILLING CODE OR THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS OR ANY RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER, SIZE, SETBACK OR DURATION OF SUCH SIGNS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> OKAY. THE NEXT SECTION WE WOULD BE 1510. THAT'S WHERE I THINK WERE GONNA HAVE THE MOST DISCUSSION AND I LIKE TO COME BACK TO THAT MORE DETAIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE SMALL CLEANUP ITEMS. LET'S COME BACK TO THAT LATER. SO, SECTION 115 30. LOOKING AT A SECTION THAT DEALS WITH WALL SIGNS AND ALSO WINDOW SIGNS. WINDOW SIGNS OF THE PRINTED COPY YOU SEE GRAPHICALLY APPLIED TO THE WINDOWS. CURRENTLY IT'S LIMITED TO 15 PERCENT OF THE GLAZED AREA OF THE WINDOW. BUT, IN ADDITION YOU CAN HAVE A 3 SQUARE-FOOT ILLUMINATED SIGN. OKAY THAT COULD SAY OPEN, YOU KNOW SPECIAL ON TUESDAY. WHATEVER. THE CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS WHETHER THAT ILLUMINATED SIGN IS ADDITION TO THE 15 PERCENT OR INCLUDED IN THE 15 PERCENT. TO BE CONSERVATIVE I'VE ADDED A LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE THAT ILLUMINATED SIGN THAT'S PART OF YOUR OVERALL 15 PERCENT IN THAT WINDOW. SO IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS WE CAN MOVE ON. IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO GIVE THEM THE 15 PERCENT PLUS THE BONUS OF THE ILLUMINATED SIGN WE CAN STATE THAT ILLUMINATED SIGN IS IN ADDITION TO THE 15 PERCENT. >> ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 10 E WHICH YOU'RE REFERRING TO. I ASKED THEM IF IT WILL WORK AND HELP BUSINESSES ARE PERMITTED ONE ILLUMINATED SIGN IN THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE WINDOW NOT TO EXCEED 3 SQUARE FEET. NEXT SENTENCE STARTS OFF WITH THE WORD IF A GLAZED AREA CONTAINS UNLIMITED WINDOW SIGNAGE. HOW ABOUT IF IT SAYS WHEN A GLAZED AREA CONTAINS ILLUMINATED AND WINDOW SIGNS THE QB LIVED TOTAL SIGNS MAY NOT EXCEED 15 PERCENT. >> I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS YOU DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THE ILLUMINATED SIGN. >> I'M TRYING TO RESTATE THE CUMULATIVE. NOT IF BUT WHEN. THAT IS TO BE ALL-INCLUSIVE OF THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN. YES? >> I THINK A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE WERE MUMBLING ABOUT TESTING. I WILL GO THE OTHER WAY. THERE ARE 3 FOOT ILLUMINATED SIGN DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS. >> MEETING MORE SIGNAGE? >> RIGHT. >> I WAS CLEANING UP THE GRAMMAR. >> AND HE'S CHANGING THE SUBSTANCE. >> I SUPPORT MORE SIGNAGE. >> OKAY, WE WILL CHANGE THAT. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE CHANGE HERE. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE WASN'T CLEAR WHETHER YOU CAN OR DON'T COUNT IT. IT WOULD GET THE 3 SQUARE-FOOT ILLUMINATED SIGN AND YOU CAN MAX OUT YOUR 15 PERCENT WINDOW COVERAGE PER GLAZED SURFACE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IN ADDITION TO 15 PERCENT. CORRECT. SO, I THINK WE'VE HANDLED THAT WELL. IN THE TEMPORARY SIGN SECTION OF THE CODE IT TALKS ABOUT WINDOW SIGNS BEING TEMPORARY. WHILE YOU'RE IN A GRAND OPENING. YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE 50 PERCENT OF YOUR WINDOW AREA COVERED. SO, IT REFERS TO TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGNS OF THE 15 PERCENT HERE. THEN SAYS, IF YOUR GRAND OPENING YOU CAN HAVE 50 PERCENT. WHAT I'M DOING IS SENSE THAT OTHER SECTION WE JUST LOOKED AT COVERS THAT 15 PERCENT WINDOW COVERAGE THAT'S PERMITTED BY CODE OUT RIGHT. I'M STRIKING ANY REFERENCE TO TEMPORARILY THERE WHY YOU HAVE YOUR 50 SQUARE FEET. IT'S JUST CLARIFYING LANGUAGE AGAIN. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. >> GAIL. >> RIGHT. RIGHT NOW THE CODE [00:40:21] ONLY ALLOWS FOR GRAND OPENING AND BANNERS WHILE YOU HAVE A SIGN PERMIT REVIEW. ANY OTHER BANNERS WOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH PARKS AND BREAKFAST AS A SPECIAL EVENT. SO, IF YOU'RE HAVING A ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARTY AS A SPECIAL EVENT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE THAT. JUST A GOING OUT OF BUSINESS BANNER, NOT A SPECIAL EVENT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED. YOU CAN FOOT PUT 15 PERCENT WINDOW COVERAGE AND PUT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. >> NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH PARKS IN FOR SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT. >> THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE UPPERS ABOVE. THEY TOOK IT AWAY AND MADE IT PARKS AND WRECKS. I THINK THEY WILL APPROVE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SIGN. I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY LOOSE WITH THE BANNERS BUT, THEY MAKE IT A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. >> RIGHT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> I SEE THEM TIE THAT TO THAT SPECIAL EVENT TO MAKE IT AN EVENT. THEY TRY TO BE CREATIVE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. >> THIS IS BEEN REWRITTEN BASED ON SCENARIOS THAT HAPPEN OVER YEARS IN PARKLAND. IF YOU'RE NOT SEEN THIS BEING A MAJOR ISSUE ARE WE GONNA REWRITE THIS? >> THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. >> ARE WE MAKING A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT THERE. >> ANY TIME YOU TOUCH SIGN ORDINANCE IT AFFECTS SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING. >> ABSOLUTELY. WHENEVER I DEAL WITH SIGN CODES IT'S USUALLY ONE OF THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS AND HOW YOU HELP THE BEEN BUSINESSES AND MAINTAIN YOUR AESTHETIC AT THE SAME TIME. >>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> RIGHT. OKAY. OH. LET'S SEE. HOW IT WOULD BREED IS IN THE BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICTS, TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGN COVERING NO MORE THAN 50 PERCENT. I'VE GOT A CHECK THE LANGUAGE THERE MAKE SURE IT'S WRITTEN CORRECTLY. >> GAIL? DO YOUR CHANGES FROM THIS EVENINGS MEETING AND OUR COMMENTS AS WE ARE IN OUR ROLE AS ADVISORY DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE USING IT AS A GUIDELINE AS PROPOSED TO THEN PRESENT THE CHANGES TO THE COMMISSION? OR WRITE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT WITH OUR INPUT THAT IS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION INDIVIDUALLY AND OUT THERE MEETING AS A SUPPLEMENT TO THIS DOCUMENT? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT WE DO, AND TRAVELING GO BACK AND I TAKE ALL OF YOUR INPUT AND LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN YOUR MOTIONS. THINGS LIKE CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE OR SEPARATING OUT THE ILLUMINATED SIGN FROM THE 15 PERCENT. THEY ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. I WOULD PROBABLY INCORPORATE THOSE AND WE WOULD LET THE COMMISSION KNOW OF YOUR RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND THAT SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED. IF THE STAFF ISN'T GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH SOME OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK THIS HABIT WILL BE WERE TALKING ABOUT EV CHARGING STATIONS. FOR YOUR THOUGHT WAS TO, WILL NOT INQUIRE IT BUT ENCOURAGE IT. WE WENT FORWARD WITH EQUIRED THE CITY COMMISSION WAS WELL ADVISED OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ACTUALLY SUPPORTED YOU AND TO NOT ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. FOR MANY REASONS. ALSO INCORPORATED INFORMATION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. >> THE REASON I ASK IS A GENERAL BUT ALSO FROM A SPECIFIC STANDPOINT. FOR EXAMPLE, MY COMMENT ABOUT IF OR WHEN THAT CHANGED BY THE MAJORITY IF YOU WILL OF OUR PEERS HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDED 3 SQUARE FEET AS AN EXAMPLE. WHEN THE COMMISSION GETS THIS DOCUMENT AND PRESENTED TO THEM FOR REVIEW IS IT GOING TO SAY THAT IT WAS THIS OR IT IS THIS? IN OTHER [00:45:08] WORDS IS A GOING TO SAY 3 SQUARE FEET +15 SQUARE FEET? BECAUSE OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CHANGED IT? >> WHAT WE WOULD DO, THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION ON YES, SIR NO. IT WOULD INCORPORATE YOUR REVISION AND THEN IF THE COMMISSION ASKS ABOUT THAT REVISION WE WOULD STATE WHAT YOUR POSITION WAS A PROBABLY WITH THE ORIGINAL DRAFT WAS. SO HERE'S HOW IT WAS. THIS IS HOW WE CHANGED IT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION. NOW YOU CAN APPROVE IT, MODIFY IT OR NOT UNLIKE TO APPROVE IT. >> WHEN APPLICANT COMES IN FOR AN APPROVAL WE ADVISE AND PROVIDE COMMENTS WE DON'T CHANGE THEIR APPROVAL OF DOCUMENTS OR APPLICATIONS. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. >> WE TRY TO INCORPORATE AS MANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN SUPPORT AT 100 PERCENT. ANYTHING FROM THE FENCE AND FEEL LIKE THIS COMMISSION, WE TAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THEY ARE AWARE OF OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THE COMMISSION DECIDES ON SOMETHING FOR NOT ALL HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE SAME PAGE. >> FOR THE RECORD OUR INPUT AS TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT BETTER DOCUMENT AND BETTER SIGNAGE FOR PARKLAND. >> GREAT I THANK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THE TAIL END OF THE PRESENTATION VERY INTERESTING AND SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA BE ANXIOUS TO GET EXCITED ABOUT. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M SORRY I GOT ANOTHER THING. >> THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. NO PROBLEM. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S FOR WINDOW SIGNAGE ON YOUR GLASS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEP. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. LET ME TAKE A QUICK LOOK. YOU MAY HAVE BROUGHT ATTENTION ON THE PERMANENT WINDOW SIGNAGE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. THERE'S NO MENTION OF LETTER HEIGHT. OR LOCAL HEIGHT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH, LET'S MAKE SURE. ASK IF YOU HAVE A 6 FOOT BY 6 FOOT WINDOW YOU COULD PUT THE WORD SALE IN 5 FOOT. >> NO YOU CAN'T. YOU'RE LIMITED TO 15 PERCENT. [INAUDIBLE] >> JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION. THE CITY CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS TEMPORARY BANNER SIGNS FOR GRAND OPENINGS. THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IS MORE LIKELY HAPPENING IN PRACTICE. THEY'RE PGOING TO BANNER SIGN. BY THE WAY I'M NOT DISPUTING YOUR POINT. I WANTED TO POINTED OUT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. . >> I AGREE WITH MCDANIEL, KILLED THAT LAST SENTENC. >> I AGREE TOO. >> DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE? >> BEFORE YOU DECIDE ON THAT AS A MAJORITY. IN THE PERMANENT WINDOW SIGN SECTION OF THE CODE, SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T MODIFYING. THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED LETTER HEIGHT IS 8 INCHES FOR PERMANENT WINDOW SIGNAGE. SO, TEMPORARY AND A 4 IS I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT WOULD BE THERE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IF YOU HAD A, B, C BAKERY. YOU COULD HAVE 4 FOOT TALL ABC IF IT'S A BIG WINDOW. THIS WAS AN AESTHETIC CONTROL OBVIOUSLY. ANY THOUGHTS, SO PERMANENT WINDOW SIDE BRIDGE HAVE AN 8 INCH CAMP. TEMPORARY HAS A 4 INCH. IN LOGOS TEMPORARY SCIENCE ARE PERMITTED AT 8 INCHES. LOGOS FOR PERMANENT [00:50:01] SIGNS HAVE NO REFERENCE IN THE CODE. SO, 8 FOR PERMANENT ON LETTERING. ON LOGOS. TEMPORARY IS 4 INCH LETTERS AND 8 INCH LOGOS. >> TEMPORARY WHY WOULD WE RESTRICT AT ALL? IT'S ONLY COULD BE UP THERE FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME. OTHERS 8, 10 INCHES OR 24 INCHES IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S COMING DOWN. THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS MORE ON THE PERMANENT SCIENCE BECAUSE IT'S UP THERE PERMANENTLY. WASTING A LOT OF TIME ON TEMPORARY. WE SHOULD BE VERY GRACIOUS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS. I HEAR FROM SOME PEOPLE, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS. >> I WOULD JUST KILL THAT LAST SENTENCE ON THE SIGN. >> WITH A 4 INCH LETTERS AND 8 INCH LOGOS. TEMPORARY IT GOES AWAY. THE PERMANET SIDE WILL HAVE AN 8 INCH. >> IS THERE FOR 14 DAYS RIGHT? >> YES. OKAY. >> BEFORE WE MOVE ON KELLY I THANK YOU AND I DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS SECTION CLARIFYING. I KNOW IT WASN'T YOUR INTENT. IF YOU READ IT LOOKS LIKE WERE ONLY ALLOWING THESE TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGNS IN BUSINESS ONLY DISTRICTS AND THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT. I THINK WE WILL CLARIFY SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST SENTENCE SPEAKS TO TEMPORARY WINDOW SOUNDS TO BE A LOT OF ALL ZONING DISTRICTS WHICH IS STRUCK THROUGH. IT'S NOT UP ANYMORE. IF YOU GO TO BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT BASICALLY GIVE US ADDITIONAL SIGN AND THAT'S WHAT YOU BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHICH WAS THE GRAND OPENING SIGN. >> YEAH. THAT TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGN IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS AT THE 50 PERCENT PER ANTHONY SHOULD STAY. >> OTHERWISE YOU'RE LOSING THE 15 PERCENT CAP ON THOSE TEMPORARY SIGNS IF YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE IT OUT AND IT'S ENTIRELY THE FIRST SENTENCE. >> OR NONCOMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. OKAY. SO, NOW WERE GOING TO GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES. A LITTLE EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY PERMITS. >> I WAS WRONG. >> RIGHT NOW EVERY SIGN IN THE CITY IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 6 FEET. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ROADWAY YOU ARE ON. WHETHER IT'S EXPLAINS ON STATE ROAD 7 OR 2 LANES ON PARKSIDE DRIVE. EVERYBODY GETS 6 FEET ACROSS THE BOARD. THE FIRST, LET ME EXPLAIN THE EXISTING CODE A LITTLE FURTHER. WHEN YOU GET INTO HOW MANY SIGNS YOU CAN HAVE IT'S ONE PER FRONTAGE BASICALLY FOR PROPERTIES. WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGNS IT'S BASED ON THE ULTIMATE RIGHT AWAY WITH A ADJACENT STREET. THAT'S I THINK WHERE KIND OF IT WENT OH, THIS NEEDS SOME ADJUSTMENT THAT'S WHERE I FOCUSED ON BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ON STATE ROAD 7 THERE'S A HUGE DISPARAGE BETWEEN SMALL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE AND MAYBE 3 ACRES OF SIZE. HER LARGER CLASSES LIKE RIVERSTONE OR WATER WEIGHT SHOPS THAT WILL HAVE 15 OR 17 ACRES WITH A THOUSAND FEET OF FRONTAGE. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FRONTING ON THE SAME ROADWAY THEY GET THE SAME ALLOCATION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE REGARDLESS OF THEIR SIZE. SO RIVERSTONE SHOPS CURRENTLY GETS THE SAME SIG ALLOWANCE AS RISING TIDE CARWASH NEXT DOOR WHICH IS PROBABLY 1/8 OF THE SIZE OF RIVERSTONE. TO ME, THAT NEEDS TO BE BETTER ADDRESSED. III THING IS THE QUANTITY OF SIGNS. RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE PER FRONTAGE. WERE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT IF YOU HAVE A REALLY LARGE FRONTAGE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIGN. THEN III AREA WE ARE ADDRESSING IS A SETBACK FOR SIGNS. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT YOUR SIGN IS, IT'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT. SO, IN ADDITION TO THOSE KIND OF GENERALITIES OF THE EXISTING CODE THERE ARE ARTISTIC SIGN BONUSES THAT WERE BUILT INTO THE CODE SOMETIME BACK. THE INTENT I THINK WAS VERY GOOD. HE PROBLEM IS THAT SOME LANGUAGE IN THOSE BONUSES THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY PROPERTY ACTUALLY QUALIFIED FOR THE BONUS. WHAT IT SAID IS THAT IF YOU HAD AN ARTISTICALLY ENHANCED SIGN THAT HAD STONE, VENEERS, BRICK, GLASS, [00:55:12] STAINLESS STEEL, THAT WAS ABOVE MINIMUM STANDARDS. THAT YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR SIGN AREA BY ONE HALF TIMES THE CODE REQUIREMENT. AND, THERE WERE ALSO LIMITATIONS THERE THAT YOU COULD ALSO GET AN ADDITIONAL SIGN BUT, TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL SIGN YOU HAD TO HAVE A SECRETARY ENTRANCE ON THE PRIMARY ROAD. WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLASMAS ON STATE ROAD 7 THE ONE THAT WILL PREDOMINANTLY BENEFIT FROM THAT BONUS, THEY ALL HAVE LIMITED ACCESS AND HAVE ONE ENTRANCE ON STATE ROAD 7, SO NO ONE QUALIFIED FOR THE BONUS TO GET THOSE EXTRA BROWN SIGN THAT MIGHT'VE HELPED THEM. SO, LET'S START WITH PROBABLY THE EASIEST ONE FIRST WHICH IS HEIGHT. CURRENTLY NUMBER WHAT STREET YOU'RE ON EVERYBODY GETS 6 FEET. THE CITY COMMISSION CAN APPROVE 7 OR 8 FEET WITH A MAJORITY VOTE OF 4. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT YOUR SIGN HEIGHT SHOULD BE PROPORTIONAL TO YOUR ROAD. YOUR ROAD WITH. THAT'S ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY. THERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF LANES. IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE A 6 FOOT LANE ON STATE ROAD 7. YOUR HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUSINESS. AN 8 FOOT HEIGHT IS NOT UNREASONABLE. IF YOUR 3 Ã5 LANES WERE TALKING ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH. YOU HAVE A 7 FOOT HEIHT ALLOWANCE. THEN IF YOU'RE 2 THINGS LIKE PARKSIDE DRIVE WITH TOWNCENTER THE CAP WOULD BE 6. A SLIGHT INCREASE. EVERYBODY GETS 6 NOW. IF YOU'RE ON A 4-LANE ROAD YOU CAN NOW HAVE 7. IF YOU'RE ON STATE ROAD 7 OR A 6 LANE ROAD YOU CAN NOW HAVE 8. WITHOUT GETTING CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL OTHER THAN THE AESTHETIC REVIEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR THOSE HEIGHTS THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED BY THE CODE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> I HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT QUESTION. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH AND ADDRESS THEM TOO IS BE GONE. >> I HAVE SOME STATS FROM OTHER CITIES. I CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. >> MY COMMENT WHERE WERE THE NUMBERS DERIVED FROM? IF THEY WERE DERIVED FROM OTHER CITIES, SIGN CODES? >> WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE. BUT, TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING COMFORTABLE THAT THE CITY COULD SUPPORT. AN INCREASE OF HEIGHT OF 1 TO 2 FEET WE DON'T THINK WOULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND FELT THIS COULD GET SUPPORT. SO, I HAVE OTHER SIGN CODES THAT I'VE REVIEWED AND APPLIED TO OUR PROCESS TO SEE HOW OFTEN ARE WE. I CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE. >> WHERE WAS TALKED ABOUT OVER THE YEARS NOT EMULATING CERTAIN CITIES. EVEN THOUGH WE DO WANT TO INCREASE AWARENESS AND SIGNAGE AND BUSINESS AND ALL. BUT, WITH DOING IT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE APPROACHING IT YOU KNOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT TRYING TO IMMOLATE MARKET ON 441. >> RANGE. NO, NOT AT ALL. WE ARE TRYING TO JUST MAKE SOME SLIGHT INCREASE IN HEIGHT, SIZE AND QUANTITY TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES. JUST RUNNING THROUGH REAL QUICK IF YOU LOOK AT CORAL SPRINGS PLANTATION, SOUTHWEST RANCHES. BOCA SURPRISINGLY ALLOWS UP TO AN 8 AND HALF FOOT HEIGHT. CORAL SPRINGS HAS 7. WERE TALKING ABOUT A PLAZA SIMILAR TO PARKLAND COMMENTS. MOST OF THEM ARE 6, 7 8/2. MILLINGTON HAS A 20 FOOT HEIGHT. WERE NOT THE COUNT THAT ONE. PLANTATION IN SOME CASES FOR VERY LARGE CENTER WOULD ALLOW A 9 FOOT HEIGHT. PLANTATION IS ALLOWING 9. SO I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY A 6 Ã8 AND YOU HAVE SOME OUT THERE AT 8 AND A HALF Ã9. [INAUDIBLE] >> WHEN YOU DEVELOP MEANT COMMAND, THE LANDSCAPE FIRMS [01:00:02] ARE MORE ROBUST NOW. NOW YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR SIGN INTO THE SPERM AND YOUR SIGNS COULD BE BACK BY THE SPERM IF IT'S IN FRONT OF IT. IT'S A TRICKY, IT'S TOUGH NOT TO CRACK. LOOKING AT THE CORNER OF MECCA 441 HERE. AT RIVERSTONE. AS YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH THERE'S NO GIANT SIGN ON THE CORNER THAT SAYS RIVERSTONE SHOPS. THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE IS DOWN BY THE CARWASH AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE. >> YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT. >> I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT HERE TO SHOW YOU. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THESE ARE THE 2 SIGNS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS. >> I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE IN THE EYES OF THE REVIEWERS GOING FORWARD. IT'S ALSO IN THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN IMAGE THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT MY SIGN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND NOT JUST HERE IT IS ON THAT PAPER. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CONVERSATIONS THERE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE MEAT OF THIS IS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL IS HAPPENING, SO IF YOU DO THE ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS YOU GET LARGER SCIENCE AND YOU ACTUALLY GET AN EXTRA ONE BUT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 2 ENTRANCE. THEY'RE BASICALLY FORCING YOU TO PUT THE SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE AND A ROUNDABOUT WAY. BUT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE GUYS ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF STATE ROAD 7. WERE NOT GETTING THE ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS BECAUSE ARE NOT QUALIFY FOR THE BONUS. SO, THE TRUST OF THIS IS EVERY SIGNOUT WAS GOING TO BE ARCHITECTURAL AND HAVE THESE EMBELLISHMENTS. WERE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HEIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO IT NOW. IN THE SQUARE BOX SIGN FOR LIKE RISING TIDE IS NOT GOING TO BE APPROVABLE WITHOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS THAT ARE NOW GOING TO BE REQUIRED AND NOT OPTIONAL TO GET THE BONUS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> ANYTHING WITH BASICALLY A PHYSICAL NUMBER CAN BE VARIED BY CITY COMMISSION AS LONG AS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> PERMITTED WITHOUT COMMISSION APPROVAL. CORRECT. SO, MY RECOMMENDATION IS NOW THE HEIGHT INSTEAD OF 6 FEET ACROSS THE BOARD WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF PAID LANES YOU HAVE NEXT TO THAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE HOW HEIGHT YOUR SIGN GOES. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION BEFORE. I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. WHEN NATHANIEL ASKED AND I ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER CITY SIGN HEIGHT ANIL. WERE THEY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PLANES OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU DOCUMENTED TO US WHAT THE HEIGHTS WERE WAS THERE A CHART OR SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF HOW IT'S BEING DONE HERE TO CORRELATE THE HEIGHT WITH THE NUMBER OF LANES? I JUST WONDERED WHERE THAT CAME FROM? THAT'S INTERESTING. >> YEAH. WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH I ACTUALLY DIDN'T TRACK THAT. ATTRACT, OKAY IF I APPLIED THEIR CODE TO OUR PUZZLE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY NUMBERS FROM. I CAN TELL YOU IN PLANTATION, THE CITY I PURPOSELY CAME FROM. IT WAS BASED ON NUMBER OF LANES. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> WHAT ABOUT WALMART THOUGH? WALMART IS IN COCONUT CREEK? >>.[INAUDIBLE] COOKS I THINK IT'S ON HILLSBORO. RIGHT. >> WHY DO IT BY LANES AND NOT RIGHT AWAY WITH? I'M NOT SAYING ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALWAYS ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND OKAY, AS MOST OF THESE DO IT BY PAID LANES IS THAT WHY WE WENT THIS WAY AND NOTSTRAIGHT WIRE RIGHT AWAY LENGTH. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION. >> CURRENTLY THE SIGN AREA IS BASED ON RIGHT AWAY WITH. THE CURRENT CODE. IT'S BASED ON RIGHT AWAY WITH. HEIGHT I PROPOSED IS BASED ON NUMBER OF LANES AND ALSO. [01:05:02] >>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> WHAT IF IT'S WITHIN ONE SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE'S A CHANGE E IN MERGING TO PRODUCE NCREASE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE A CHALLENGE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. >> LOOK 450 PERCENT OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS IN A 3 LANE ROAD. >> I LIKE RAY GOING. NO, I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO CURRENTLY THE SIGN HEIGHT IS NONNEGOTIABLE. IT 6 FEET NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. THE SIGN AREA IS BASED ON THE RIGHT AWAY WITH. I BASED IT ON A NUMBER OF LANES AND BECAUSE I'M KINDA THINKING LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT UNIVERSITY DRIVE. THE MAP I HAVE APPEAR NOW IS ACTUALLY I'VE TAKEN WHERE COMMERCIAL PLAZAS ARE AND I PLOTTED THE NUMBER OF LANES. YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR OKAY, RED IS BASICALLY GOING TO BEAT 6 FOOT SIGNS. YELLOW IS 7 FOOT SCIENCE AND GREEN ARE 8-FOOT SIGNS. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IF YOU LOOK AT SAINT UNIVERSITY DRIVE NORTH OF BJCC. IT'S 2 LANES. IT'S NEVER GOING TO CROSS OVER THE CANAL WILL THAT BE WHY DIDN'T ETWEEN P GCC UNLOCKS ROAD? PROBABLY AT SOME POINT. BUT, THE RIGHT AWAY ITH THAT'S THERE FOR UNIVERSITY DRIVE IS LIKE 140 FEET. SO DO YOU CONSIDER THE PHYSICAL BUILD POSITION THAT WILL BE THERE FOR A WHILE. CONSIDER LONG-TERM THAT WOULD CHANGE HIM FROM 2 LEAVES AT 6 FEET 2 8 WITH 120 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> WAS CURIOUS ON HOW YOU MADE THE DECISION. >> I CAN LOOK AT OTHER CODES AND I CAN COMPARE WHAT COCONUT CREEK IS DONE. >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS. WE SAY PAVED LANE B. >> NOT INCLUDING TO LEARN LANES. THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> I CAN REACH OUT TO COCONUT LANE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING ACROSS THE STREET. EVEN IF THERE 20 FEET TALL AND 500 SQUARE-FOOT AN AREA WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THOSE CHANGES ANYWAYS. WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. COCONUT CREEK WAS NOT ONE OF THE CITIES I PULLED. I PULLED BOCA, CORAL SPRINGS, PLANTATION, SOUTHWEST RANCH AND WELLINGTON. ABSOLUTELY. I CAN ALSO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER CODES. WE CAN LOOK AT LANES VERSUS RIGHT AWAY WITH. I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. WE PLAN FOR LONG-TERM BUILDUP WERE TO BE PLANNED FOR WHAT THE BUILT CONDITION IS NOW? SO GOOD QUESTION. >> THE SIGNS WILL BE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU FROM DRIVING SO THE SIGNS COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. IF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS HUNDRED 50 FOOT VERSUS 50 FOOT OR CLOSER TO THE SIGN ON 51ST RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE SIGN COULD BE BIGGER. WHETHER THERE'S 2 LANES OR 6 LANES. >> BECAUSE IT'S COULD BE FURTHER BACK BY VIRTUE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LANE. >> EXACTLY. >> ACTUALLY HAVE GOT A PICTURE HERE THAT PROBABLY TALKS ABOUT B&. >> I JUST WANT TO PUT IN THE RECORD. TODD LEFT AT 7:07 AND WE WILL CALL BRITNEY UP TO THE DAIS. >> OKAY, GREAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIGN OF THE UNIVERSITY DRIVE ENTRANCE FOR PARKLAND COMMENTS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU SEE HOW FAR THAT SIGN IS BACK. IT 6 FEET TALL. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE IT WAS 2 LANES IT'S ONLY 26 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. IT'S A REALLY SMALL SIGN FOR APOSTLE THAT SIZE. SO, YOU'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT OF HEIGHT. WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE. WITH EVERY 2 LANES ARE RIGHT-OF-WAY WE CAN FINE TUNE THEM. SO, LET'S MOVE ON TO SIZE. OKAY. CURRENTLY IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE ALLOWANCE IS BASED ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH I'M GONNA SLIDE FORWARD HERE ON SLIDE FOR SECOND. SO BASICALLY IF YOUR [01:10:06] 50 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY YOU'RE PROBABLY A 2 LANE ROAD LIKE PARKSIDE DRIVE. YOUR SIGN ALLOCATION IS 8 SQUARE FEET. IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF 2 RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE SIGNS. REALLY SMALL. YOU KNOW, YOU GET 26 SQUARE FEET IF YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE A MINOR COLLECTOR. YOU CAN UP TO YOUR BIGGER ROADWAYS OF LIKE STATE ROAD 7. YOU WILL GET 48 SQUARE FEET. MUCH MOST PEOPLE ARE DOWN THERE IN THAT 26 Ã32 RANGE. BECAUSE THERE RIGHT-OF-WAY'S ARE 100 FEET AND LESS. THE MAP HERE SHOWS YOU ALSO THOSE ROAD QUARTERS HAVE RECLASSIFIED. REGARDLESS OF YOUR SIZE. EVERYBODY IS GETTING THE SAME HEIGHT IN THE SAME ALLOCATION. WHAT I AM PROPOSING HERE AND WE WILL SLIDE TO ANOTHER PICTURE IN JUST A MINUTE THAT WILL MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARER. IS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY REMEMBER YOUR LOT FRONTAGE IS THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY ON THE STREET. TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS YOUR SIGN ALLOCATION. IF YOU'RE A LARGE PLAZA LIKE RIVERSTONE OR WATERWAYS YOU'VE GONE THOUSAND 1100 SQUARE FEET OF FRONTAGE. YOU SHOULD GET MIGHTCOME I'M USING EXAMPLES, TIED CARWASH THAT HAS TUNA 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE. WE'RE SEPARATING OUT NOT BASED ON A NUMBER OF LANES PBUT BASED ON YOUR FRONTAGE ON THOSE ROADWAYS. THE ONLY THINK THE ROADWAY IS CONTRIBUTING AS TO THE SIZE OF THE HEIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SIZE OF PROPERTY. THIS WAS SHOWING WHERE WE ARE NOW. THIS IS TAKING A LITTLE INVENTORY. KINDA PULLED OUT THIS CORNER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'VE ONLY GOT 6 OR 7 COMMERCIAL PLAZAS. 3 OR 4 OF THEM ARE SITTING UP IN THIS CORNER SO IT WAS A GOOD LITTLE SPOT FOR EXAMPLE. WHILE BOB HAS 24 FEET OF FRONTAGE. WATERWAYS HAS 1050 FEET OF FRONTAGE. SO, BASED ON THOSE FRONTAGES THE SIGN AREAS WOULD INCREASE. FOR THE LARGER SES AND GOING ACK HERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WILL FALL OUT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAINT WATERWAYS OR RIVERSTONE. THEY ARE LIKE IN THE THOUSAND RANGE, THOUSAND LINEAR RANGE OR FRONTAGE. THERE CAN ALLOWED 58 SQUARE FEET AND UNDER THE CURRENT LAW THEY ARE ABOUT 48. IT WOULD BE 10 SQUARE-FOOT INCREASE. THE FLIPSIDE SOMEONE UNDER 500 FEET IS IT GOING TO GET MUCH OF AN INCREASE. YOU PROBABLY ALREADY AT 26. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH OR THE STATE WHERE IT'S AT. IF YOU'RE SMALL PROPERTY YOU GET A SMALL SIGN. IF YOUR BIG PROPERTY THIS IS GOING TO HELP YOU OUT. SO, AGAIN, OR GOING 26 FOR A SMALL PROPERTY. 42 SQUARE FEET FOR A MIDSIZE PROPERTY AND 58 SQUARE FEET FOR A LARGE PLAZA. RIGHT NOW MOST PEOPLE ARE FALLING IN THE 26 Ã 48 SQUARE FOOT RANGE IN GENERAL. >> MANY MENTION THE SMALLER SHOPS. WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE MOM-AND-POP SHOPS. THEY DON'T REALLY BENEFIT FROM A CHANGE HERE. I THINK, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THE MOM AND POPS YOU KNOW THE FINANCIAL ABILITY. THEIR FINANCIAL STABILITY TO KEEP THE BUSINESS GOING. THE LARGER BIG BOXES HAVE THAT SUSTAINABILITY. SIGNAGE MAY BE IS NOT AS MUCH NEEDED AS MUCH AS A MOM-AND-POP WIND JUST TO CONSIDER. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> A YOUNG. THE BIGGER PLAZAS ALSO. >> BY WHAT SHE MENTIONED. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LARGER BUSINESSES, THE LARGER BUSINESSES BENEFIT FROM THE CHANGE MORE THAN THE SMALL BUSINESSES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. YES. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAZAS? THE PLAZAS? >> YEAH. ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT QUESTION. >> THE REALITY IS THERE AREN'T THAT MANY MOM-AND-POP'S THAT WERE SITTING ALONG 441 X AND A FREESTANDING BUSINESS. FROM LOOKING AT THE MAP WE HAVE HERE. I WOULD AGREE SMALL RENT [01:15:01] SHOULD BE PUMPING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM THE WINDOW SIGNS. ONE WAY SHOPS WILL HAVE A BIGGER SIGN. >> NOW, AGAIN, I TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE CURRENTLY UP TO 100 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH WHICH WOULD BE OPERABLE TO LET'S SAY 74TH PLACE WHERE IT HAS 4 LANES WITH LIKE A LANDSCAPED MEDIAN IS ABOUT 100 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH. SITE AREA WOULD BE LIMITED TO 32 SQUARE FEET. UP TO 500 FEET OF FRONTAGE WE COULD INCREASE IT FROM 26 Ã32 IF YOU LIKE. THAT WAY ANYBODY WHO HAS 32 GETS TO KEEP IT AND ANYBODY WEST 26 QUITE A BIT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> 32 I BELIEVE. YEAH, WE WILL COME BACK FOR A VOTE AND MAKE SURE THAT'S THE NUMBER. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> OH, YOU WANT 32, 42, 58. THAT'S FINE. 42 OR 48. IT'S RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. 42. >> INAUDIBLY. >> WOULD NUMBER WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE UP? >>.[LAUGHTER]. >> IT'S FINE. GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> 32, 45, 58. >> OKAY. [LAUGHTER]. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. NEXT. WE'VE CONQUERED, WE COULD CHECK OUT HIDE, WE CAN CHECK OFF AREA APPEARED NEVER GOING TO MOVE ON TO QUANTITY.. OKAY. SO, CURRENTLY YOU GET ONE PER FRONTAGE. YOU GET ONE PER FRONTAGE WHETHER YOU'RE A BIG PLAZA OR THE VOICE, THE ZIMMERMAN BUILDING ON THE CORNER AT HILLSBOROUGH AT 441. HE ONLY HAS ABOUT 2050 FEET OF FRONTAGE. HE GETS THE SAME SIGN AS RIVERSTONE OR WATER SHOPS. SO, WHAT WERE DOING IS IF YOU ARE LARGE PLAZA. OVER 750 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE. YOU COULD NOW HAVE A SECOND SIGN BECAUSE YOU'RE A REALLY LARGE FRONTAGE. THAT SIGN COULD BE AT THE CORNER AND I HAVE A PICTURE TO SHOW YOU OF VARIANCE OF PARKLAND COMMENTS THAT WAS GRANTED BY CITY COMMISSION. IT KIND OF DOES EXACTLY THAT. YOU CAN KIND OF GET A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. SO, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE FRONTAGE GOING BACK TO MY MAP HERE. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ANYBODY WHO HAS OVER 750. THOSE OF THE GUYS WHO MIGHT QUALIFY FOR ONE OR MORE ADDITIONAL SIGNS. WERE TALK ABOUT WATERWAY SHOPS, RIVERSTONE SHOPS, BJ'S PLAZA HAS A SPECIAL AGREEMENT, A SETTLEMENT OF SOME SORT. THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME IN FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. SUGAR SOMETHING IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT. BUT, GIVING TYPICAL EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS WOULD BE APPLIED. >> THIS IS NOT CONFLICT OF FRONTAGE. IT'S ON FRONTAGE ON EACH STREET? >> ON EACH STREET, CORRECT. RIGHT. >> A DUMB QUESTION. >> ANOTHER ONE? >> YEAH. >> NUMBER 3. >>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND TONIGHT WHEN I WAS GETTING READY FOR THE MEETING WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT. IF YOU HAVE 2 LARGE FRONTAGES ON SITE LOX ROAD AND STATE ROAD 7 ARE YOU NOW GOING FOR? GOING TO PUT LANGUAGE THAT IF YOU PUT ONE ON THE CORNER IT COUNTS FOR BOTH. SO THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY NOT SEE MORE THAN 3 SIGNS. ONE ON EACH FRONTAGE AND ONE POTENTIALLY AT AN INTERSECTION. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IT STILL SIGNAGE. IT STILL SIGNAGE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION. YOU GOT A 3 MINUTE WAIT. BACKGROUND SIGN [01:20:06] ON THE GROUND HAS TENANT PANELS IT MIGHT BRING INTO THE PLAZA. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YES, MOST PEOPLE ARE. RIGHT. THEN, THE LAST ITEM PROBABLY THE SIMPLER OF THEM IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT. CURRENTLY IT'S 10 FEET FOR EVERYONE. WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS, IS SORT OF LIKE MAYBE A LITTLE INCENTIVE. IF YOU GO GLOBAL YOU CAN COME CLOSER. WERE YOU CAN BUILD YOUR HEIGHT AND BE BACK AT THE SETBACK. PROPOSING A 6 FOOT SETBACK FOR SIGNS UP TO 6 FEET, 7 FOR UP TO 7 FEET AND 8 FOR UP TO 8 FEET. SO, LIKELY STATEMENTS OF LOVE AN 8 FOOT SETBACK ON THE SCIENCE. SOMETHING LIKE TRAILS IN WHAT HAVE A 7 FOOT SETBACK IF THE SIGN WERE UP TO 7. YOU STILL HAVE AN OPTION TO DO A 6 FOOT SIGN WITH A 6 FOOT SETBACK. THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP THE SETBACK. IT WOULD BE EQUAL TO THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN ROUGHLY. >> I WOULD PUSH THAT IS CLOSE TO THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW WHY. I GET IT THERE ENCOURAGING IT TO BE SMALLER. RETURN ENCOURAGE THE BUSINESSES. WANT WE JUST PICK ONE SETBACK AND A GOOD ENGINEERING STANDARD AND LEAVE IT ALONE. >> MY FIRST DRAFT WAS 3 4 AND 5. ASK YEAH. >> SOME PEOPLE CRINGED. I WENT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. >> MAKE IT 5 OR 6 AND SAY THE STANDARD SETBACK AT 6. >> OKAY, CURRENTLY IT'S 10 FEET REGARDLESS OF SIZE OR HEIGHT. ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE? >> ALEX, ALEX. STATE YOUR SUGGESTION COULD. >> 6 FOR EVERYTHING. GO FROM 10 Ã6. >> 6 FOR ALL? OKAY. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? >> THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO GET CLOSE TO THE ROPE ALSO PROVIDE FOR LANDSCAPING AROUND IT. THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT TO CLOSE WHERE IF SOMEONE APPEARS OFF A BIT THEY WILL HIT IT EITHER. >> WE NEED ENGINEER APPROVAL AS WELL. >> YES. YES. >> WE TALKED HEIGHT, QUANTITY, SETBACKS, SIZE. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR ANTHONY? > LET ME SHOW YOU 2 MORE SIGNS THAT WE WOULD GET TO THE QUESTIONS. WANTED TO SHOW YOU LIKE AMUSING RIVERSTONE ONLY BECAUSE OF RECENTLY TALK TO ISAAC WHO SUPPORTS THIS PROPOSAL. FROM THE OWNER OF THE PLAZA. CURRENTLY TO THE LEFT AS EXISTING SIGN CODE. HE WOULD GET ONE SIGN AT 6 FEET WITH 32 SQUARE FEET OF AREA ON 74TH. HE GET ONE SIDE OF STATE ROAD 7 AT 48 SQUARE FEET OF AREA. THEY'RE BOTH SETBACK 10 FEET AND HE WOULD QUALIFY FOR ANY BONUSES BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE ON STATE ROAD 7. UNDER THE PROPOSED CODE FROM ONE SITE AT THE LANGUAGE ABOUT YOU CAN'T DOUBLE COUNT THE 2 FRONTAGES. HE WENT GET A 7 FOOT SIGN ON 74TH AT 42 SQUARE FEET. YOU SEE A ONE FOOT INCREASE IN THE 10 FOOT INCREASE IN AREA. ON STATE ROAD 7 THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY 6 FEET AND 48 SQUARE FEET COULD GO TO 8 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 58 SQUARE FEET OF AREA. AND THEN HE COULD QUALIFY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE. FOR III SIGN THAT COULD BE IF YOU COUNTED ON THE STATE ROAD 7 FRONTAGE IS THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE THEN IT'S AGAIN 8 FEET AND 58 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. NOW, HAVE ONE LAST LINE TO SHOW YOU AND THEN I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH. >> A GREAT EXAMPLES LINE. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THAT. >> VERY GOOD. >> YES, I THINK THIS WAS HELPFUL TO SEE. ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. THE CHANGES OVERALL IN SIZE AND HEIGHT ARE RELATIVELY MINOR. IT'S GETTING PEOPLE NOT TO HAVE TO APPLY FOR BONUSES THAT MOST OF THEM AREN'T QUALIFYING FOR. SO, I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL. THEN I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, PARKLAND COMMENTS WOULD BE ALLOWED ONE UNIVERSITY, ONE ON TRAILS IN 6 FEET HIGH, 30 SQUARE FEET. VARIANCE WAS APPROVED AND SETTING UP THE SCENARIO WE JUST DISCUSSED. RUTH GOT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE [01:25:01] UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND TRAILS AND WITH A LARGE TENANT PANEL MONUMENT SIGN. WE'VE GOT 2 SMALLERSIGNS AT EACH OF THE ENTRANCES. MY GUESS IS THAT THE 2 SIGNS WERE ORIGINALLY BY CODE. AT THE CORNER SIGN WAS THE VARIANCE. SO, WHAT WERE DOING SOMETHING THE COMMISSION HOPEFULLY IS ALREADY SORT OF COMFORTABLE WITH. THEY'VE SEEN HOW IT WORKS. I THINK THE SIGN FOR CAUGHT PARKLAND COMMENTS IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. JOEL, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE BERM HEIGHT. WHEN LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT TO BE BASED ON THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT. SO, WHEN YOU'RE BURNING UP, OR LOOKING AT THAT MAX HEIGHT ON THERE. IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE ON A 3 FOOT BERM AND THEY WANT TO 8 FOOT SIGN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE OF HEIGHT. OR BRING THAT BERM DOWN A LITTLE BIT. >> THEY'RE GOING TO CUT INTO THE BERM A LITTLE BIT UP WITH THE FOUNDATIONS AND IN THE WHOLE 9 YARDS. NEXT RIGHT. >> IS OUR STANDARD 3 FOOT? >> HONESTLY B. >> IT WILL DEPEND ON THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY VARY. I THINK ¦ >> REMEMBER THAT PARKLAND COMMON SIGN. I THINK PAST UNANIMOUSLY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO IT. >> YEAH. I THINK IT IS HIGH WHEN I SEE IT. I THINK A STATICALLY LOOKS FINE. >> IT'S A BIG SHOPPING CENTER. THAT'S A BIG LAKE BEHIND IT. IT DOESN'T LOOK OUT OF PLACE. YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN LIKE THAT ON THE CORNER OF MECCA AND 441 AND 4 RIVERSTONE. IT WOULD SERVE JUST THE SAME BECAUSE THE TREES BEHIND IT ARE MATURE. THE VEGETATION AND OTHER SHRUBBERY BEHIND IT IS MATURE. I THINK IT WOULD LOOK FINE. >> RIGHT. >> COUNTRY ELEGANT. >> SO THAT'S THE JUST OF THE CHANGES. HOPEFULLY SOME GRAPHICS TO HELP YOU WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND IT. IT'S ABOUT TO TAKE IT FOR ONE MEETING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANTHONY IS HERE TO SUPPORT US. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE MOVE GO THROUGH MAKE SURE WE HAVE YOUR MOTION ON EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL CHANGES SOLID. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE CRITERIA THAT THIS IS BASED ON AND I SUPPORT EVERYTHING WE MODIFY. FOR THE RECORD. WHERE DO SITE TRIANGLES AND THOSE TYPE OF, THAT TOPIC CRITERIA FROM AN ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING STANDPOINT. WHAT ARE THOSE COME INTO PLAY? THE NORMAL PERMITTING PROCESS. TO THOSE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED HERE? > MARIE, THIS IS A VERY SMALL SECTION OF THE SIGN CODE. THE SIGN CODES ARE PRETTY MASSIVE SECTION. THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE THERE THAT WE ARE NOT MODIFYING SO I DID INCLUDE THOSE SECTIONS BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY UNLOCKED. >> ONE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER OWNERS COME IN TO PERHAPS ADD SIGNS. WHAT IT AFFECT ANY? OR WITH THE ORIGINAL MASTER SITE PLAN APPROVALS HAVE TO BE LOOKED UP WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE CRITERIA THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY SIGNAGE. IN OTHER WORDS IF A PARKING PLACE MIGHT HAVE TO BE LOST IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A SIGN. GIVEN THE SITE. >> UNDERSTOOD. IF THERE'S AN EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN FOR A SHOPPING CENTER FOR EXAMPLE THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE EXISTING CODE. THEY WANT TO COME IN AND THEY WANT TO GO HIGHER OR WHATEVER. IF THIS COMMITMENT WAS MADE. I THINK TO ANSWER QUESTION IF THEY WANT TO GO HIGHER THEY PROBABLY DO NEED TO COME BACK IN FOR MASTER SITE PLAN DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. >> MY INPUT WAS TO BE ABLE TO AVOID THAT OR DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. IF HER CHANGING THE SIGN CODE GOING FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES ONE THING. HAVING TO GO AND CHANGE THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE SIGN CODE TO HELP IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. WHAT I WAS MORE REFERRING TO WAS LIKE A NEW ADDED MONUMENT SIGN, 8-FOOT, PERHAPS ELECTRIC LIGHTING AND ALL THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. THERE IS A [01:30:06] SIDEWALK GOING IN FRONT OF IT. MY POINT IS, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM HAVE TO GO THROUGH HOOPS TO BE ABLE TO ADD A SIGN. NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. ER MEANS >> RIGHT. FOR MOST OF THE MONUMENT FREESTANDING SIGNS THEY MAY HAVE TO COME IN FOR CAB APPROVAL. >> THAT'S A GIVEN. >> RIGHT. >> SO THAT WILL HAPPEN. >> TALKED ABOUT SITE PLAN APPROVAL. >> UNDERSTOOD. WE WILL REVIEW AND CONFIRM. IT WILL NEED CAB APPROVAL. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL MUST ARE MAKING LIKE YOU SAID, AFTER MAKING OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THEY MAY NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL. IF IT'S NOT JUST TAKE IT ONE SIGN DOWN A TICKET ONE UP. BUT THEY START MAKING CHANGES TO THEIR PARKING LOT OR OTHER STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT COULD WARRANT A SITE PLAN. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> PROBABLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. >> YEAH. RECENTLY CYPRUS TRAIL YOU CAN SEE THEY UPGRADED THEIR GRANTED AND PAINTED. THE STRUCTURE ITSELF DIDN'T SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE SO WE DID THAT IS A CALL UP. SIGN WOULD PROBABLY GO TO CITY COMMISSION AS A CAB ITEM. AND BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE AESTHETICS OF IT AND IF IT MEETS CODE HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE SUPPORTED. >> YOU WOULDN'T BE REQUESTING GHT OR AREA. >>MY INPUT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WERE CHANGING TO MAKE IT MORE FLUID AND ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED. NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH OTHER HOOPS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR CHANGES WE ARE PROVIDING. >> RIGHT. THIS WOULD HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SOME VARIANCES FOR SIGN HEIGHT OR SIGN AREA. THE CAB APPROVAL OF THE AESTHETICS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED BY CITY COMMISSION. >> AT THIS TIME OF GOOD OPEN ITEM TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY COMMENTS AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE. I WAS HANDED A LETTER TO READ INTO THE RECORD. IT IS FROM ISAAC CHAZ. IT WAS EMAILED TODAY TO GAIL AND JEAN IN REFERENCE TO THE TOPIC, THE SIGNAGE TOPIC. THE ITEM WE ARE DISCUSSING. DEAR CAL AND JEAN. I'M SO HAPPY TO FINALLY GETTING AROUND TO UPGRADING THE SIGNAGE CODE REQUIREMENT. THIS CHANGE HAS A TREMENDOUS VALUE TO ALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND. BYPASSING THIS CODE WILL MAKE OUR BUSINESS MORE VIABLE AND STABLE TO BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THANK YOU. FROM ISAAC CHAZ BANNON. REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF RIVERSTONE PLAZA THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHERS I WILL CLOSE IT TO THE PUBLIC. >> I WILL MORE QUESTION. ANTHONY YOU MENTIONED THIS EXPERT YOU HAVE IN YOUR OFFICE FROM SIGNAGE CODE. DID THEY REVIEW THESE NEW CHANGES OR DO THEY HELP TO THIS? >> YEAH, WE HAVE THEM REVIEW THAT'S WHERE THERE'S COUPLE OF ITEMS I'VE MENTIONED SEPARATELY ON THIS AND PROBABLY AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGES WE MAKE TODAY. I WILL HAVE HER REVIEW THEM AS WELL JUST TO MAKE SURE. >> THANK YOU. >> 100 PERCENT. >>.[INAUDIBLE] OH, OKAY JEAN. OH, OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA DO IT? I GOT IT TOO. >> IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND WE SET PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER. TAKE IT OUT AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT THE HEAD OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND ADD CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY I. >> THAT WAS AN UNOFFICIAL VOTE BUT GO AHEAD. >> WE ALSO MADE A DECISION TO KEEP THE STANDARDS FOR 25 FEET FOR BOTH POLES. WHETHER IT BE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. >> THAT'S FLAG POLES FOR CLARIFICATION. >> CRACKED. THE ILLUMINATED SIGN CAN BE 3 SQUARE FEET IN ADDITION TO THE 15 PERCENT WINDOW SIGNAGE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I? >> I. >> WHAT ABOUT THE HANDHELD SIGNS? >> WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THAT. THAT'S THE LAST ONE. IN SECTION 100 Ã1540 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE LAST SENTENCE ON ANY TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGNS NO LETTERS SHALL BE GREATER IN HEIGHT AND 4 INCHES AND ANY LOGOS OR SYMBOLS SHOULD NOT BE GREATER THAN 8 INCHES. WERE GONNA TAKE OUT THAT LINE ALTOGETHER. >> ALSO JEAN, WE WERE LEAVING THE LANGUAGE AND AT THE TOP [01:35:01] THAT'S A TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGNS ARE ALLOWED. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I? OKAY, ON THE MONUMENT SIGNS WERE GOING TO DO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM AREA OF THE SIGN FROM 26 Ã32 SQUARE FEET. FROM 42 Ã 45 SQUARE FEET. THE LAST 158 SQUARE FEET. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. OKAY THE SETBACKS. WE ARE GOING TO KEEP US TO PUT MINIMUM SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE FOR ALL ASSIGNED HEIGHTS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. OKAY, >> ALL FREESTANDING SIGN HEIGHT. SORRY X YES. LASTLY WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION FOR ARE THE CYBER SIGNS OR THE GUYS THAT ARE HOLDING UP THE SCIENCE. CURRENTLY CODE DOES NOT ALLOW IT. THEY USUALLY TYPICALLY COME OUT ON WEEKENDS. CODE DOESN'T WORK ON WEEKENDS SO THEY GET AWAY WITH IT. THEY CHASED AMOUNT WHEN THEY DO. IT IS NOT PERMITTED. THE CITY DOES LIKE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE BUT, THEY'RE STILL DOING IT ANYWHERE. >> CURRENTLY, I DON'T SEE WITH THE CODE PROHIBITS IT. THE CODE DOES NOT PROHIBIT IT. >> IT DOESN'T SAY IT PHYSICALLY A BODY OLDING A SIGN IS PROHIBITED. >> NEED TO VOTE IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN OR NOT. I'M JUST HOLDING YOU HOW I'M INSTRUCTED BY STAFF. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. >> WHEN THEY MADE THE DEVELOPERS GET RID OF THEIR SCIENCE WHICH WAS PROBABLY A MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THING THAN HAVING THE DUDE WITH THE BIG ARROW. THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE FORCED TO SOME EXTENT TO DO. I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IF THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT WAY OF DOING IT, NATURAL SELECTION WILL DO ITS COURSE. >>.[LAUGHTER]. >> THAT'S FINE YOU SEE THE DRIVERS OF FLORIDA. I THINK NATURAL SELECTION WILL TAKE ITS COURSE BUT, I DON'T PARTICULAR HAVE A STRONG FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER OF PROHIBITING IT. >> WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH REAL ESTATE AGENTS? >> CAN ANTHONY CHIME IN OR NOT? >> SO, >> IS A RESIDENT TO COMPLAIN BY THE WAY. >> I WOULDN'T CONCEDE THAT IT'S PROHIBIT AND I THINK THERE'S GENERALLY WHICH ARE LED FILMIC CODE THAT SPEAKS TO IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED THAN IS PROHIBITED. IF IT IS IT STATES PERMITTED BUT THAT WORKS. HER ZONING DISTRICTS FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S NOT A USE THAT SPECIFICALLY USED AS PERMITTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK OF EVERY SINGLE ONE. IS PROHIBITED UNLESS WE SAY IT IS PERMITTED. WE PROBABLY HAVE THAT RIGHT RIGHT NOW. WAS LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS OF HOW WE DEFINE SIGNS. ARGUABLY MAYBE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE COULD CAPTURE IT. I NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SUBJECT TO IT BEING IN COMPLIANCE OTHERWISE WITH LAW BEING CLEAR. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE PROHIBITED BECAUSE I HEARD AT LEAST ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, MAY BE MULTIPLE BOARD MEMBERS ARE FOCUSED ON ENFORCEMENT AND HOW YOU ENFORCE THESE THINGS. I KNOW IT'S EASIER TO ENFORCE IF YOU COULD JUST POINT TO A SPECIFIC CODE PROVISION. >> IF YOU OBJECT. >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS AND FLIPPING THEM DOING ALL SORTS OF ANTICS. WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER WE HAD IN MY CAREER WE HAD 2 TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS DUE TO SOMEBODY FLIPPING SIGNS FOR THE DRIVER THAT BUT I WAS GONNA FALL INTO THE STREET AND JAMMED ONTO THE BRAKES AND CAUSED A REAR END ACCIDENT. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF CIRCUMSTANCES. HOWEVER THESE PEOPLE TRUST? ARE YOU HAVE SCANTILY DRESSED PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS? THERE'S A WHOLE BIG MESS. >> ARE THEY DOING ACROBATICS. >> AND TO HAVE IT TIGHTENED UP I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU. IF WE DON'T ALLOW IT NOW THEN LET'S JUST LEAVE IT THAT WAY. >> I'VE GOT TO PUT A DISCLAIMER ON THAT TOO. GOTTA MAKE SURE WE FLUSH IT OUT FOR FIRST AMENDMENT PURPOSES. PROTEST, AND OVERTHINKING HEY, HE PUT THE SIGN UP BUT IT'S FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. THERE MAY BE OTHER REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE HOLDING SIGNS. ELECTIONS, ETC. >> PEOPLE OUT ON THE CORNER ALL UP AND DOWN NOB HILL ROAD. THE FIREFIGHTERS IN THE PBA IF I REMEMBER HOLDING SIGNS FOR POLITICAL CANDIDATES. WE FOUND KIDS THAT ARE OUT THERE WHO ARE DOING THE CARWASHES. >> I GET IT. >> WE CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE IT THEN. >> SUBJECT TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES WE WILL B. >> IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED IS PROHIBITED. >> CONTENT -BASED RESTRICTIONS. >> I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A MOTION SO YOU CAN GIVE YOUR OWN VOTE ON THIS. >> MOST CODES WILL CONSIDER THE SIGN FLIPPERS AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF OUR COACHES A [01:40:03] PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO OUTLINE EVERY SCENARIO. ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY A PERSON HOLDING A SIGN. WE CAN ALSO USE A BROADER CATEGORY THAN SAY SUCH HOUSE. JUST ATTENTION-GETTING DEVICES. >> DURING ELECTIONS USE OF THEIR ATTENTION-GETTING DEVICES. >> RETURNED ABOUT SALES. NOT TALK ABOUT POLITICAL SPEECH. YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE? >> I MAY NOT HAVE DONE A GOOD ENOUGH JOB THE FIRST TIME. ON THE REID VERSUS GILBERT CASE. THAT'S WHY MENTIONED IT EARLIER ON. IT WAS A BIG DEAL. FOR PEOPLE WHO FOCUS ON SIGN CODES AND LAND USE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE SUPREME COURT CHIMED IN AND TOOK STRICT INTERPRETATION. YOU CAN'T LOOK AT CONTENT. IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE WE DISTINGUISHING AN EFFECT THAT CASE IT WASN'T COMMERCIAL SCIENCE THAT THE CASE FOCUSED ON. IT WAS A DISTINCTION ON DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE OR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE IT'S CALLED A POLITICAL SCIENCE. AN IDEOLOGICAL SIGNAGE. DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR BOTH. IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WANT TO PROPOSE. ONE THING YOU COULD DO WAS SAY WE WANT TO PROHIBIT THIS SUBJECT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CONFIRMING IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL. >> IS HER DIFFERENCE IF THEY'RE PAID TO BE THERE? >> THE CRUX OF THIS CASE YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON THE CONTENT. AND SO WHAT DOES THE SIGN SAY IT CREATES A LOT OF CHALLENGES FOR ENFORCING REGULATIONS. >> SHOULD WE TOUCH IT? SOUNDS LIKE NOW. >> I WOULD THINK MAYBE THIS BOARD LEAVE THAT ALONE AND GIVE US SOME TIME. I HURT YOU. THIS IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO GO TO THE COMMISSION. WE CAN REVIEW IT AND POTENTIALLY RAISE THAT WITH HIM. THAT YOU DISCUSSED IT. >> I SUPPORT FOLLOWING ANTHONY'S LEAD. >> SECOND. >> SO MOTION? >> EVERYONE HAS HEARD OUR INPUT. COMMISSIONABLE SEE OUR IMPORT. >> OR TO ARGUE WITH THE LAWYERS. >> IF WE COULD I THINK WE SHOULD ADD IT IN WITH SOME TAPE IF NEEDED. SOMETHING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISN'T ALWAYS WORKING ON THE WEEKENDS. SOMEONE SOON A CARWASH THEY DON'T HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. THEY SHOULD ENFORCE IT. >> THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT. >> INCLUDE CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN DO THEIR THING. WE CAN'T BREAK THE CODE TO PROHIBIT IT FOR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. HOW TOUCHING FORCED, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. IF IT'S IN THE CODE IT ALLOWS US, IF THERE'S SOMEONE SIGN FLIPPING THAT COULD GET THEM OUT QUICKLY. >> AGAIN. >> SELECTED ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE CARWASH? >> PROBLEMATIC ALTOGETHER. ONE PERSON IS HOLDING A SIGN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING LIKE THIS. ONE PERSON IS HOLDING A SIGN FOR POLITICAL PURPOSE. OR FOR CARWASH OR FUNDRAISER. ANOTHER PRESERVED RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, SAME RIGHT AWAY IS HOLDING A SIGN FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITHOUT. IF SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EXPORT YOU COULD SAY WOULD LIKE TO PROHIBIT SUBJECT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REVIEW WE CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE IT. >> RECOMMENDED THE COMMISSION HE'D OUR INPUT AND ACT UPON IT ACCORDINGLY. >> SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD HERE SPLIT ON THE ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. >> THAT'S FINE. >> WE CAN SAY THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS. >> ALEX, THINKING A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THIS WILL PROBABLY CLOSE UP THE DISCUSSION. SO, RIGHT NOW RIGHT AWAY VERSUS LANES. WE HAVE THE 2, TO LEAN 6 FEET Ã3 TO 5 Ã7. WRONGLY USING THE LANE REFERENCE FOR HEIGHT. IF YOU GO TO RIGHT AWAY WITH. THE RIGHT AWAY WITH US ARE GOING TO BE LARGER THAN THE LANE WIDTHS. SO WE GO TO RIGHT AWAY WITH IT POTENTIALLY COULD GET SOMEONE A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT. THE FRONTAGE IS GOING TO DETERMINE THE SIZE. SO, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. WITH THE HEIGHT IF WE USE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. MOTE PEOPLE WILL BENEFIT FROM THE LARGER HIDEAWAY OF THE 7 OR 8 FOOT SIGNS THEN. MIKE ¦ >> THE OTHER ONE WAS RIGHT AWAY. NOW THE OTHER ONE IS FRONTAGE. JUST TO SINK THOSE 2 SEEM TO TO BE. >> I FEEL STRONGLY WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FRONTAGE FOR THE AREA. IN THE ROADWAY FOR THE HEIGHT. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL BE LARGER NUMBER AND WE WILL GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT FUTURE OF [01:45:10] THE ROAD FOR THE HEIGHT. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO USE RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE 3 CATEGORIES ON THE 6, 7 AND 8 FOOT HEIGHT. RIGHT NOW THE SLIDER HAVE UP AS A CURRENT CATEGORIES IN THE CODE THAT ARE IN THEIR FOR AREA. IS THERE SOME SEGMENT HERE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS WHO GETS WHAT RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDGETS IT'S UP TO 6 FOOT HEIGHT? LIKE UNDER 80 GETS , 81 Ã120 GET 7. ND ¦ >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. RIGHT. IF WERE NOT GOING TO LOSE LANES AND WE WANT TO USE RIGHT AWAY WITH. AS ARE SOME THRESHOLDS YOU'D FILL COUNTABLE WITH? WE WERE USING 2 LANES, LOCAL ROAD YOU GET 6 FEET. >> STAFF DID LIKE THE STREETS THAT YOU DID. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT STAFF LIKED GOING THROUGH WHERE IT WAS LOCATED WITH THE STREETS. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. >> IT'S BIG AN AREA AND IT'S VERY LOW. TO SEE HOW FAR BACK IT IS. YOU DON'T REALLY NOTICE IT. IT'S ALMOST NEXT TO THE BUILDING. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. >> I GUESS THE EASIEST WOULD BE, AGAIN IF THE STAFF LIKED THE LANES I'M OKAY WITH IT. FROM A RIGHT-OF-WAY 80 I WOULD DO 6 FEET. 120 I WOULD DO 7 FEET. ANYTHING OVER 120 WOULD GET 8. IF I'M QUICKLY LOOKING AT IT. >> OKAY. LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. WHETHER THEY'RE USING LANES OR RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH. >> I AGREE WITH ALEX. >> OKAY. >> THAT IS REASONABLE. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THIS? IT'S BEEN A LOT. >> DANIEL HAS A QUESTION. >> HAVE A QUESTION/ COMMENT AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED LIGHTING. I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE LIGHTING ISSUE IN TERMS OF ANY OF THE CHANGES HERE. >> RIGHT. >> LIGHTING FOR ME AND RAISED LETTERING SIGNAGE VERSUS FLAT SIGNAGE. I REMEMBER BACK WHEN THE CHURCH WAS COMING IN AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THEIR MONUMENT SIGN. THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT WAS PUT OUT. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT LATELY WAS REALLY LIKE NOT, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. NEITHER COUNTRY ELEGANT NOR DID IT RESEMBLE OUR OLD FLORIDA HISTORY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I'D LIKE TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHETHER THESE FLAT MONUMENT SIGNS VERSUS RAISED LETTERING SIGNS, NO LIGHTING ON SOME OF THEM IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE PERMITTED? IT JUST SEEMS REALLY. HONESTLY IT JUST SEEMS CHEAP. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE MONUMENT SIGNS. AGAIN, THE PARKLAND COMMENTS MONUMENT SIGN, IF YOU WILL HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT EQUALITY MANAGEMENT SIGN OR ANY PLAZA IS. THAT'S IT. THAT SHOULD BE RIGHT IN THE TEXTBOOK. I KNOW OVERSTOCK WITH THE LIME GREEN SIGNS FOR THE OTHER 2 BECAUSE OF WHAT THE CODE WAS AT THE TIME ON UNIVERSITY AND TRAILS END. PRESUMABLY THERE CAN UPGRADE THOSE. I WOULD HOPE AT SOME POINT. BUT, AGAIN AT LEAST WITH THIS IT'S RAISED LETTERING SIGNAGE. IT'S COCKFIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE HAVE SOME. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> CHURCH MONUMENT SIGN IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLAT. I'M NOT WE NEED TO PICK ON THEM SPECIFICALLY. IT SOMEONE THAT I-DRIVE BY OR HAVE DRIVEN BY THE MOST. I WAS ALWAYS SURPRISED AT HOW ¦ >> FLAT IT IS. >> FLAT, BASIC AND NOT LIT PROPERLY. >> DANIEL, TEAR POINT NOT ONLY IS ACHIEVED THIS ISSUE BUT IT'S [01:50:02] ALSO FOR CRIME PREVENTION ISSUE. IT ADVOCATES FOR SIGNAGE TO CELEBRATE THE ENTRANCE. MAKE IT LIVELY, MAKE IT A LIFE IN DARK AND MURKY AREAS THAT'S WITH ABOUT GUYS LIKE TO GO TO. WE HAVE ENTRANCES THAT ARE CELEBRATED WITH LIGHTS IT'S ALSO A CRIME PREVENTION COMPONENT. >> AGAIN, I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO WHAT THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS ARE WORTH THE RAISED LETTERING ISSUES BUT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WHEN THIS GOES TO COMMISSION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT STAFF CAN LOOK AT TO SEE IF THERE ARE SOME ENHANCEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO THAT. SO WE LIMIT OR ELIMINATE NON-LIT AND FLAT MONUMENT SIGNAGE. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD JUST ASK FROM A PURELY POLICY STANDPOINT. >> OKAY. I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF OUR SIGNS ARE GROUNDED. SOME OF THEM HAVE ELIMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS. MOST OF THEM I BELIEVE ARE MORE GROUND THAT FOR THE MOST PART. I DON'T RECALL COASTAL COMMUNITY INVENTORIED THAT CHINA TOOK A PICTURE BUT, NOW I CAN'T PREMEMBER. I THINK IT'S A PIERCED BOX. IS IT A FLAT SIGN FOR THE LETTERS ARE ELIMINATED BUT THEY DON'T STICK OUT? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> JOEL IS GETTING ONTO GOOGLE EARTH. >> BECAUSE THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED A PIERCED BOX. WHAT IT IS, IS THE CODE PROHIBITS BOX OR CABINET SIGNS. THOSE ARE SIGNS THAT HAVE A METAL FRAME WITH PLASTIC FACE THAT SLIDES IN. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PIERCED BOX CABINET SIGN. WHAT IT IS, IS THE FACE IS NOT PLASTIC IT'S METAL. AND THEN THEY ROUND OUT THE LETTERING AND THE METAL PANEL. WHEN THE PANEL SLID IN THERE'S ILLUMINATION IN THE BOX AND THEN THE LETTERS ARE ILLUMINATED FROM BEHIND. SO THE SIGN HAS A VERY FLAT FACE ON THE LETTERS ILLUMINATED IN A DIFFERENT DISTANCE THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE A CHANNEL LETTER. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RELIEF ON THE FACE WHETHER STICKING OUT OR PUNCHING THROUGH. IT'S A FLAT PANEL WITH A METAL FACE. WITH PIERCED LETTERS PUNCHING THROUGH. >> JOEL PULLED UP, AGAIN THIS IS NOT MEANT TO PICK ON COASTAL. THEY BEEN A GREAT PARTNER OF THE CITY IN SO MANY WAYS. THAT SIGN KIND OF LOOKS REALLY B& I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS. LOOKS LIKE ALMOST LIKE THERE'S A FLAT SURFACE THAT SOMETHING WAS JUST STUCK ON 2. IT'S GOT NO LIGHTING TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> I'M DRIVING BY ON THE WAY HOME. >> ALL PULL DEPARTMENTS. EXPOSE STAFF AGREED WE SHOULD BE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF HAVING LIGHTING THE SIGNAGE AS NATHANIEL STATED? >> IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS PAINTED OR FLAT SHEET PUT ON. >>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THAT IS WHAT WE WANT IN OUR CODE. >> LOOK INTO THE CODE. GAIL? GAIL? >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YOU GUYS WANT TO WRAP THIS VOTE UP. >> GAIL, IT DOES. A GREAT OF MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE LIBRARY SCIENCE? >> THE CODE REQUIRES THAT TO BE LIGHTED. LOOKING AT THAT SIGN THAT IS NOT A PIERCED BOX. LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FINAL LETTER APPLIED ONTO STUCCO. SOME CODES WILL PREVENT YOU FROM APPLYING LIKE A PAINTED WALL DIRECTLY ONTO THE SIGNED PAINTED ONTO THE WALL. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. AND SAY THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IS NOT PERMITTED. >> IF THIS IS DAKOTA RIGHT NOW SO BE IT AND FIND. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE WHAT IS DAKOTA GOING FORWARD. >> GOING FORWARD THE ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED THAT SIGN WOULD NOT BE APPROVED UNDER THIS CODE. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DRESSED UP. BUT. >> WITH THE LETTERING HAVE TO BE DRESSED UP? >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DRESSED UP. RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN THE CODE WOULD PROHIBITED FROM HAVING THAT KIND OF LETTERING. BUT, THAT SIGN WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED BY CIP I BELIEVE TOO. >> I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE CODE AND ENHANCE THE LIGHTING. >> GETS PULLED OUT FROM IT AND SEE EXACTLY IF IT'S A FINAL OR A PIERCED BOX. THEN GO FROM THERE. >>.[INAUDIBLE] >> I AGREE. >> COME UP TO ENHANCEMENTS WITH LETTERING LEADING TO THE EXTENT IT IS APPROPRIATE AND POSSIBLE. [01:55:05] >> OKAY. GREAT. >> ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE WE NEED TO READ THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF? >> NO, I'VE GOT THEM ALL. >> IT'S ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BOARD CLERK PUT ON THE RECORD EARLIER. >> IS OUR SECOND? >> BY SECOND. >> ALEX MADE THE MOTION [9. Comments from the Planning & Zoning Manager] SECONDED BY DEREK. PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT? >> WE WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH. WE ARE GEARING UP TO START WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS OUT OF SET UP. WE REQUIRED FOR THE 36 ACRE PARK AT NOB HILL AND HILLSBORO. SO YOU WILL BE SEEING LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING. ALSO CLASS AND SOME OTHER THINGS WITHOUT. VERY CLOSE IF NOT NEXT MONTH, MAYBE MARCH. IF NOT MARCH THAN APRIL. YOU WILL BE SEEING SOME DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUESTS FOR POTENTIAL SELF STORAGE ON LOX ROAD JUST WEST OF THE FALLS. YOU DID SEE AN ANNEXATION RECENTLY. Y. NOW CODE AMENDMENTS COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, REZONING'SAND SITE PLANS WILL BE COMING SOON. OKAY. >> THANK YOU. TODAY JUST TO LET YOU KNOW OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING. THEY ARE MOVING FORWARDWITH THE REDISTRICTING FOR ARCHERY MARJORY STONEMAN. IT WILL AFFECT PEOPLE SOUTH OF MILES ROAD. >>WHICH PLAN WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED? >>4C I BELIEVE IT WAS C4. I WAS AT THE MEETING BUT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. IT WOULD AFFECT SOUTH OF WILES BASICALLY LIKE OUR COUNTRY ACRES AREA. BETWEEN SAWGRASS AND WILES. WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKLAND. >> ANY UPDATE ON THE PARKLAND ROYALE PHASE TO BE APPROVED, THE MONEY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY IN THE LAND TO BE DONATED? >> YES. ANTHONY IS ALL OVER THAT. >> AFTER MEETING DID GET THE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PAYMENT. PRETTY SHORTLY AFTER. NOT THAT SHORT. >> YOU DID GOOD. >> LENORE, LENORE, LENORA. >> UNMARKED BILLS OR CHECK? >> IT WAS A CHECK. THEY DO OWE ANOTHER PAYMENT. IT'S NOT TO YET. THEY CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THEY MAKE THAT PAYMENT. ADDITIONALLY WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ABOUT TH PROCESS. HOPING A DEED IN ESCROW AT THIS POINT FOR THE PARK. WERE WAITING ON CONFIRMATION. THEY HAD TO DO SOME MITIGATION AND RESPECT ENVIRONMENTAL. FIRST AFTER GOT MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE ACCEPTING THE DEED. >> ALSO FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING STANDPOINT. IF YOU RECALL ANNEXATION AGREEMENT REQUIRED US TO IS ON THE PROERTY R 3. WE RATHER THAN FIGHT THE AGREEMENT WE WENT AHEAD WITH THE LETTER R 3 ZONING. WILL COME BACK TO YOU TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING TO PARK IN THE NEAR FUTURE. >> TALKING PACIFICALLY ABOUT THE 4 ACRES. >> THE GATOR ACRES PARK OF THE DOOR WEST CORNER OF PR 2. >> 9.8 ACRES TO BE PRECISE. > ANOTHER THING IN THE PIPELINE, RIVERSTONE SHOPS HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR 7000+ SQUARE FOOT OUT PARCEL BUILDING. WITH PROPOSING FOR DIFFERENT STORES IN THERE. >> YES. IT WILL BE MULTITENANT 4 Ã5 POTENTIAL TENANTS. ONE THING HE DID NOTE WHICH HE IS DONATING I BELIEVE SOME SPACE FOR OUR SAFE SCHOOLS TO BE UTILIZED IN THE BUILDING WHICH IS A GOOD THING. SO YES, IT'S IN REVIEW COMMITTEE. IT'S UP NORTH PART OF THE SITE. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT PAVILION AREA THAT'S BETWEEN I BELIEVE Ã PIZZA AND BLUE AGAPE. IT WILL BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT AREA. IT'S IN REVIEW. I DO REVIEW COMMITTEE LEVEL RIGHT NOW THAT [02:00:04] I WILL BE COMING TO YOU FOR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. PROBABLY MARCH OR APRIL ALSO. >> NOT MARCH. PROBABLY APRIL. >> I'M AWAYS THE OPTIMIST. >> ÃHAS BEEN KILLING THEM. OUR DESIGNATED DESIGN REVIEW PROFESSIONAL. HE HAD THE MOST COMMENTS. >> YES. THEY ARE COMPLEMENTING THE BUILDING. THEY NEED TO UP IT A LITTLE BIT WITH MORE DETAIL. BUT, IT'S COMING ALONG. >> * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.