[1. Call to Order] [00:00:29] >> GOOD MORNING! I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND, ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2022, AT 11:30 A.M. TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ROLL CALL. [4. Regular Agenda A. School Boundary Process] SCHOOL BOUNDARY PROCESS DISCUSSION. SO JACKIE, TAKE IT AWAY! >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING! FIRST TIME I'M SAYING GOOD MORNING TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. FOR THE RECORD, JACKIE WEHMEYER. I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF STRATEGY AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS. THIS MORNING WILL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BOUNDARY PROPOSALS THAT THE BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS HAVE PUT OUT ON THEIR WEBSITE. SO JUST FOR A LITTLE BRIEF HISTORY, OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOR A BOUNDARY PROPOSAL PROCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE BOUNDARY PROPOSALS FOR MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL. IN TODAY'S WORKSHOP, I WOULD SAY THE WORD COMMUNITY A LOT. COMMUNITY, TO ME, IS THE CITIES OF CORAL SPRINGS AND PARKLAND COMBINED. IT'S EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S INVOLVED IN THOSE ARE THE TWO CITIES. SO THE SCHOOLS HAVE ENCOURAGED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROPOSE NEW BOUNDARY MAPS. THE DEADLINE FOR THOSE BINARY MAPS WAS OCTOBER 31. THIS PAST THURSDAY, THE BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAD A MEETING TO REVIEW THE 14 PROPOSALS THAT THEY HAVE. THE COMMUNITY HAS UNTIL NOVEMBER 14 TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE WEBSITE. THE PROPOSALS WERE MADE, NOW IS THE TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND WHAT THOSE PROPOSALS ARE. AND FOR PEOPLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION, YOU GO TO BROWARD SCHOOLS.COM/BP, AND HAVE A VERY ROBUST SITE FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOUNDARY PROPOSALS. ONCE THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE THE INPUT BY NOVEMBER 14, THEN THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HER TEAM WILL REVIEW ALL THE INPUT AND THERE WILL BE A WORKSHOP IN JANUARY WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM. AND THEN, THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL END UP MAKING A PROPOSAL. IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH, THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE AN OPEN WORKSHOP FOR THE PUBLIC TO DISCUSS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. ULTIMATELY, THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL MAKE THE DECISION THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR. THIS MORNING WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS JUST REVIEW WITH THE BOUNDARY PROPOSALS ARE. GIVE YOU A LITTLE GENERAL INFORMATION. I KNOW OST OF YOU WERE AT THE THURSDAY MEETING AND YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR 14 PROPOSALS. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS TRY TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION IN A VERY CONDENSED FORM SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT THROWN AT YOU AT ONCE. AND THEN, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. SO STARTING OFF. THERE ARE EIGHT CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE DEMOGRAPHERS NEED TO REVIEW AND MAKE SURE ARE TAKING CARE OF IN ANY BOUNDARY PROPOSAL. OUT OF THOSE EIGHT CONSIDERATIONS, THE NICE THING IS THERE ARE FIVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PROPOSALS MEETS. THAT IS WHETHER CHANGES CLASS SIZE, LEVEL OF SERVICE, ENROLLMENT, DIVERSITY OR NATURAL BARRIERS. I CAN ALWAYS ANSWER QUESTIONS OR GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE. SO REALLY, OUT OF THE 14 PROPOSALS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE THREE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, WHICH ARE FEEDER PATTERNS, SCHOOL PROXIMITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. THERE'S ONE PROPOSAL OUT OF THE 14 THAT MEETS ALL EIGHT OF THE CONSIDERATIONS AND THAT IS SEE ONE. AS I GO THROUGH THEM YOU WILL SEE ALL THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO CONSIDERATIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, WITH THE COMMONALITIES ARE IN THE DIFFERENCES. ALL OF THE PROPOSALS ALSO HAVE A PHASED IN APPROACH, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. THAT MEANS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CURRENT MSD STUDENTS TAKEN OUT OF MSD. THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO GRADUATE OUT.O EVENTUALLY, THE EXACT NUMBER OF STUDENTS [00:05:02] THAT ARE SLATED TO BE OUT OF THE SCHOOL OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS PHASED IN. THERE IS ONE PROPOSAL, C8, THAT ALSO ADDITIONALLY PROPOSES THAT ANY SIBLINGS OF CURRENT MSD STUDENTS ALSO BE ALLOWED TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN. THAT'S THE ONLY PROPOSAL THAT HAS THAT. AS WE GO THROUGH THESE MAPS, YOU'LL NOTICE ALSO THAT WE MENTIONED TAG ZONES. THESE ARE JUST GEOGRAPHICAL PORTIONS THAT THE MPO HAS CREATED, SO WE KNOW WHAT SEGMENTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE TAS NUMBERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THEM, BUT IT'S JUST SOMEPLACE ON A MAP WHERE WE CAN SEE THE AREAS WE ARE DISCUSSING.JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAIN SITE. THERE IS AN AREA THAT GENERAL COMMENTS CAN BE MADE AND THAT IS HERE AND HERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY 86 GENERAL COMMENTS. AND IF YOU GO HERE TO THE LEFT AND CLICK ON BOUNDARY PROPOSALS, YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE BOUNDARY PROPOSAL HERE. JUST A CLICK ON THE FIRST ONE, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU CAN CLICK ON EITHER COMMUNITY PROPOSAL, DISCUSSION HERE OR COMMENTS HERE. THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE INPUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS. ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO THROUGH EACH PROPOSAL? >> ANYBODY? NO? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PROCESS. >> OKAY. SO WE WILL START WITH C1. IN C1, THE PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE THE STUDENTS IN TAC 112 AND 653, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 194 STUDENTS AND MOVE THEM OVER TO CORAL GLADES HIGH SCHOOL. YOU'LL SEE THESE TWO ZONES ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE SOUTH OF SAMPLE ROAD. IN THIS PROPOSAL, AS I SAID EARLIER, ALL EIGHT CONSIDERATIONS HAVE PASSED MUSTER. AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING HERE, ON THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE LISTED IN THE EXPLAIN WHY OR WHY NOT THEY PASSED. ALSO, THERE IS A DIVERSITY BREAKDOWN ON HERE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS. >> AND AGAIN, OF ALL THE PROPOSALS, THIS ONE MEETS ALL EIGHT? >> MEETS ALL EIGHT CONSIDERATIONS. YES. >> JACKIE, DOES THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY THE PROPOSALS? THEY CAN TWEAK THEM? >> THEY DO. THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL MAKE THE PROPOSALS AND THEY WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THEY CAN ACCEPT WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, THEY CAN CHANGE I . TWEAK IT HOW THEY WANT TO. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY'D LIKE. OKAY. MOVING ON TO C 2. C 2 ALSO TAKES TAS 112 AND 653 AND MOVES THEM TO CORAL GLADES. BUT IT ALSO TAKES A PORTION, AS YOU CAN SEE ERE, OF TAC 107. THIS ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE FEEDER PATTERNS. THE SCHOOL PROXIMITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY IS WHERE YOU ARE BREAKING UP A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY. SO YOU WILL SEE HERE THIS DIVIDING LINE HERE BREAKS UP A COMMUNITY. C 3. THIS MOVES TWO SEPARATE AREAS. THIS MOVES THE TAC 112 AND 683 AS YOU SAW IN C 1 AND MOVES SO STUDENTS TO CORAL GLADES. IT ALSO MOVES THIS PORTION OF PARKLAND HERE, IN THE EAST, MOVES THOSE STUDENTS TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. THIS MOVES A TOTAL OF 194 STUDENTS TO CORAL GLADES AND 154 STUDENTS TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. IN THIS PROPOSAL, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH BOTH FEEDER PATTERNS AND PROXIMITY. PROPOSAL C 4. IN C 4, THIS ALSO INVOLVES TAC 112 AND 653 AS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. BUT IT ALSO TAKES TAC 107 ABOVE THAT AND MOVES ALL THREE OF THOSE TAC ZONES TO CORAL GLADES HIGH. THIS WOULD BE FOR A TOTAL OF 351 STUDENTS. THIS ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH FEEDER PATTERNS AND SCHOOL PROXIMITY. PROPOSAL C 5. THIS ONE LOOKS [00:10:02] LIKE C 4 BUT THIS IS MOVING THE 351 STUDENTS IN THAT AREA TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH SCHOOL INSTEAD OF CORAL GLADES HIGH SCHOOL. SO IT HAS THE SAME ISSUES WITH FEEDER PATTERN IN SCHOOL PROXIMITY. C 7 IS OUR NEXT PROPOSAL. IN C 7, THIS TAKES STUDENTS THAT ARE IN TAC 112 ONLY MOVES THEM TO CORAL GLADES HIGH. AND IT TAKES STUDENTS IN THIS AREA OF PARKLAND HERE IN TAC ZONE 50, AND MOVES THOSE STUDENTS TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF -- IT'S 104 STUDENTS IN A AND 95 STUDENTS IN B. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 200 STUDENTS. THIS ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH FEEDER PATTERNS, SCHOOL PROXIMITY, AND NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. C 8. THIS TAKES TAC ZONE 56, WHICH IS UP HERE AND THAT IS A TOTAL OF 362 STUDENTS. IT MOVES THOSE STUDENTS DOWN TO CORAL GLADES HIGH SCHOOL. IN C 8 THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH FEEDER PATTERN AND PROXIMITY. C 9. THIS TAKES THE SAME SEGMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE OF TAC 112, 653 AND 107, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 351 STUDENTS AND MOVES THEM TO CORAL GLADES HIGH SCHOOL. HOWEVER, THERE IS A SMALL CUT OUT HERE IN SEGMENT B THAT WOULD BE MOVED TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. OF NOTE IS THERE CURRENTLY ARE NO STUDENTS IN SEGMENT B. THAT IS THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAMPLE AND UNIVERSITY, WHERE THERE IS BUILDING CURRENTLY BEING PUT THERE. THOSE WOULD BE APARTMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF UNIVERSITY. I'M SORRY, ON BOTH SIDES OF SAMPLE. PROPOSAL C 11 TAKES TAC 49, 46 AND 38, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 304 STUDENTS, AND IT MOVES SO STUDENTS DOWN TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. IN C 11 THERE IS AN ISSUE OF FEEDER PATTERN AND SCHOOL PROXIMITY. PROPOSAL C 12. WE'VE SEEN THIS SEGMENT BEFORE, TAC ONE -- -- FOR A TOTAL OF THE SAME 351 STUDENTS. HOWEVER, IT DIVIDES THEM VERTICALLY HERE. SO YOU'VE GOT 233 STUDENTS IN SEGMENT A THAT WOULD GO TO CORAL GLADES HIGH SCHOOL. AND 118 AND SEGMENT B THAT WOULD BE MOVED OVER TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH SCHOOL. THIS ONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH FEEDER PATTERNS, SCHOOL PROXIMITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. SEE 13 TAKES TAC 50, 51, 52, 49, 46 AND 45, FOR A TOTAL OF 311 STUDENTS. IT MOVES THEM DOWN TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. C-13 HAS AN ISSUE WITH BOTH FEEDER PATTERN AND SCHOOL PROXIMITY. C-14 IS TAKING TAS 35, 49 -- -- FOR A TOTAL OF -- AND TAKING THAT SEGMENT AND HAVING THOSE STUDENTS MOVED TO CORAL SPRINGS HIGH. THAT HAS AN ISSUE ALSO WITH FEEDER PATTERN AND SCHOOL PROXIMITY. SEE 15, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE IN A PROPOSAL OF TAZ 56, WHICH IS 362 STUDENTS. IT MOVES THEM TO CORAL GLADES HIGH. THAT ONE ALSO HAS AN ISSUE WITH FEEDER PATTERN AND SCHOOL PROXIMITY. AND FINALLY, C16. THIS TAKES TAZ 112, 653 AND 107 WITH A TOTAL OF 351 STUDENTS. BUT THIS IS THE ONLY PROPOSAL THAT MOVES THOSE STUDENTS DOWN TO JP CHAIR AVELLO HI. THIS ONE AGAIN HAS FEEDER PATTERN IN SCHOOL PROXIMITY ISSUES.SO IN BRIEF, THESE ARE THE PROPOSALS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PULL UP ANY OF THESE INDIVIDUAL MAPS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY [00:15:02] HAVE. >> OKAY. BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANT TO GO DO A QUICK RECAP OF HOW WE GOT HERE. SO MSD HAS BEEN OVERCROWDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS, OR SHOULD I SAY, STUDENTS, PARENTS, ADMINISTRATORS, TEACHERS WHO GO TO THAT SCHOOL WHO -- PEOPLE COULDN'T SIT DOWN WHEN THEY EAT LUNCH. THE HALLWAYS ARE CROWDED. SO IN AN EFFORT TO INVESTIGATE SOME OF THAT, WE ASKED THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR A WORKSHOP TO EXPLAIN WHERE WAS MSD, YOU KNOW, ATTENDANCE WISE? OR ENROLLMENT WISE? WHAT WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO TO FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD? DURING THAT WORKSHOP, THE SCHOOL BOARD EXPLAINED TO US DIFFERENT VARIOUS OPTIONS. THE OPTION THAT THEY DO DECIDED TO START WITH WAS FIRST TO DO AN ADDRESS VERIFICATION. HE INDICATED, DUE TO COVID, THEY HADN'T DONE ANY ADVERSE VERIFICATIONS FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS. THEY FELT COMFORTABLE THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY FIND SEVERAL HUNDRED STUDENTS IN MSD WHO WERE ATTENDING MSD WHO DID NOT LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. THEY DID THE ADDRESS VERIFICATION, NOT JUST WITH MSD, BUT PRESUMABLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR MAIN FOCUS POINTS, THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL. BUT THEY HAD DONE IT THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY GOT, ROUGHLY, 75 STUDENTS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT THEY FOUND WERE NOT LIVING IN THE DISTRICT. SO AT THE LAST FEW MEETINGS, PEOPLE SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO FIND THE ADDRESS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELONG THERE. THE SCHOOL HAS DONE THAT. THE SCHOOL BOARD THEN DECIDED TO HAVE THEIR OWN WORKSHOP. SO THEY DID THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ISSUES OF MSD AND WHAT SOME OF THE OPTIONS WERE. AT THAT WORKSHOP, THEY INDICATED STONEMAN DOUGLAS WAS 3 TO 500 STUDENTS OVER ENROLLED. ABOVE THE THRESHOLD OF THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS ABOVE 110 PERCENT. SO DURING THAT WORKSHOP, THEY INDICATED THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS. WE CAN CERTAINLY ARGUE HOW EFFECTIVE THIS PROCESS IS. YOU KNOW, WHO SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD? WHY DO WE ASK RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL DEMOGRAPHERS, PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL BOARD ADMINISTRATORS, WHY DO WE ASK THEM TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR -- YOU KNOW, ENDEAVOR, TO TRY TO FIND DIFFERENT PROPOSALS? THAT'S THE PROCESS THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH. OBVIOUSLY, THAT HAS CAUSED SOME TENSION BETWEEN PARKLAND AND CORAL SPRINGS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS EVERYONE MUST REALIZE, THE REASON THIS ALL STARTED WAS BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED MSD, WHICH IS A LARGE MAJORITY IS FROM CORAL SPRINGS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A LARGE MAJORITY FROM PARKLAND. THE REASON THIS STARTED IS BECAUSE RESIDENTS, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS, WHAT HAVE YOU -- WERE ASKING FOR SOME ASSISTANCE. AND AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I BELIEVE IT'S MY DUTY TO TRY TO FACILITATE WHATEVER CHANGE THAT IS. THIS COMMISSION AGREED WITH THAT PROCESS, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAD THE SCHOOL BOARD COME IN AND TRY TO EXPLAIN TO US THE ISSUES AND WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES. AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I CAN'T SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. GRANTED, THIS IS A SCHOOL BOARD DECISION. HOWEVER, IF WE CAN GET THE PROCESS STARTED? AND IF WE CAN TRY TO FACILITATE POSITIVE CHANGE FOR THOSE WHO ATTEND MSD, WHICH INCLUDE CORAL SPRINGS AND PARKLAND RESIDENTS, IT IS MY OBLIGATION TO DO SOMETHING. SO HERE WE ARE WITH THIS PROCESS. NOW WE HAVE THESE PROPOSALS. NOW IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO FIND OUT WHAT, IF ANY, NEXT DAY STEPS WE WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO TAKE.HETHER AS A COMMISSION, AS A CITY, INDIVIDUALLY? WHAT HAVE YOU. TO ME, WE ARE WELL BEYOND NOT [00:20:04] BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAID WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. WE ARE BEYOND THAT, IN MY OPINION. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKLAND, CORAL SPRINGS.NO ONE HERE HAS EVER INDICATED, HAS EVER SAID WE WANT MSD TO BE A PARKLAND ONLY SCHOOL. A WE NEVER SAID THAT. WE NEVER INSINUATED THAT. REGARDLESS OF ALL OF THAT, THE NUMBERS DON'T BEAR OUT. THIS IS PURELY A NUMBERS EQUATION. HERE'S HOW MANY STUDENTS THE SCHOOL CAN HOLD. HERE'S HOW MANY STUDENTS ATTEND. IT'S TOO MANY. SO HOW DO WE FIX THAT TO BENEFIT EVERYONE WHO ATTENDS MSD? NOT JUST PARKLAND STUDENTS, BUT PARKLAND AND CORAL SPRINGS STUDENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF RUMORS. OH, PARKLAND IS TRYING TO DO THIS, PARKLAND IS TRYING TO -- NO. PARKLAND LISTENED TO THE RESIDENCE AND ASKED THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR SOME ASSISTANCE IN CORRECTING THE PROBLEM. IF THEY WOULD'VE SAID HEY, WE CAN BUILD 20 MORE CLASSES OR WE CAN DO THIS -- I WOULD HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS WITH THAT. ECAUSE THEN, THE OVERCROWDING WOULD HAVE CEASED. BUT WHEN KIDS DON'T HAVE A SEAT IN THE CAFETERIA OR THE HALLWAYS ARE TOO CROWDED? WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO TRY TO RUN TO GET OUT OF THERE?R WHATEVER? IT'S UNSAFE. PERIOD. END OF STORY. SO WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO TRY TO PERPETUATE WHATEVER CHANGE IT IS THAT WE CAN GET. DO WE FAVOR CERTAIN PROPOSALS OVER OTHERS? OF COURSE WE DO. BECAUSE AGAIN, AS THE MAYOR OF PARKLAND, AND I'M SURE THE COMMISSION FEELS THE SAME -- MY FIRST OBLIGATION IS TO THE RESIDENCE OF PARKLAND WILL STOP BUT TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THIS IS AN MSD PROBLEM, WHICH HELPS OUR COMMUNITY. NOT JUST PARKLAND. IT HELPS CORAL SPRINGS JUST AS MUCH AS IT HELPS PARKLAND. SO AGAIN, WE ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.I'M THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THIS WORKSHOP. BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION AFTER THESE PROPOSALS WERE MADE SO WE CAN DECIDE, AS A COMMISSION, WHAT IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO DO ADDITIONALLY TO WHAT WE ARE DOING. AGAIN, I KNOW TENSIONS ARE HIGH. AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK A LOT OF THESE PROPOSALS WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT ANYONE WOULD HAVE. LET'S TAKE C 1. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT C 1 FOR A MINUTE AND WE WILL PASS IT AROUND THE ROOM. C 1 IS THE ONLY PROPOSAL THAT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA. 194 STUDENTS, NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON DIVERSITY. MY UNDERSTANDING, THE STUDENTS IN THOSE TAZ ARE CLOSER TO CORAL GLADES THAN THEY ARE TO MSD. SO PROXIMITY IS A POSITIVE. MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO IS MORE KIDS WOULD STAY TOGETHER LONGER FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL TO HIGH SCHOOL. THAT'S THE FEEDER PATTERNS. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE FEEDER PATTERNS. TO ME, THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. NOT JUST TO PARKLAND RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO TO CORAL SPRINGS RESIDENTS. IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THEN ATTEND MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND ATTEND HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE SAME KIDS, YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD STRONGER BONDS ON THE PARENTAL LEVEL. YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD STRONGER BONDS AS CHILDREN. YOU WERE GOING TO KNOW THE TEACHERS BETTER. TO ME, THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW GROWING UP FOR ME, WE HAD A BUNCH OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND WE HAD A BUNCH OF MIDDLE SCHOOLS. AND WE KIND OF ALL SPLIT UP. SO YOU HAD YOUR FRIENDS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I GOT THE QUOTE UNQUOTE SHORT END OF THE STICK BECAUSE ALL MY FRIENDS WENT TO A DIFFERENT MIDDLE SCHOOL BAND I WENT TO. THEN, YOU KNOW -- IT'S A STRUGGLE. IT'S NOT EASY. SO TRYING TO KEEP KIDS TOGETHER LONGER IS BETTER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WITH FEEDER PATTERNS. I NOTE -- (SIGHING) LOOK, IT'S WHERE PARKLAND IS. IT'S WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT? SO ALL OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, ALL OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WITHIN THE CITY OF [00:25:04] PARKLAND, WE KNOW THEY ARE ALL BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS. BUT THEY ARE LOCATED IN PARKLAND. ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS GO TO WESTGLADES. ALL OF WESTGLADES GOES TO MSD. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). COUNTRY ACRES (INDISCERNIBLE). >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT ARE LOCATED IN PARKLAND. RIVER GLADES, HERON HEIGHTS AND (INDISCERNIBLE). >> (INDISCERNIBLE) THE SCHOOLS ITSELF? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL FEEDER PATTERNS. SCHOOLS GO TO WESTGLADES. >> RIGHT. (INDISCERNIBLE) COUNTRY ACRES PAND (INDISCERNIBLE). >> WHAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DO THEY GO TO? >> I'M NOT SURE. >> THEY GO TO RIVER GLADES -- PARKLAND RESIDENTS. I'M TALKING ABOUT FEEDER PATTERNS. SO THERE FEEDER PATTERNS, IF WE WANT TO BRING THEM UP -- NOT ALL PARKLAND RESIDENTS GO TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS, RIGHT? SO THEY GO TO WHATEVER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THEY GO TO. AND THEY GO TO WHATEVER MIDDLE SCHOOL THEY GO TO. AND THEN, THEY GO TO WHATEVER HIGH SCHOOL THEY GO TO. TO ME, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT PATTERN STAYS THE SAME. BECAUSE KEEPING KIDS TOGETHER LONGER IS BETTER. AND THAT'S MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FACTUAL AND WE CAN LOOK IT UP IN AN ENCYCLOPEDIA OR WHATEVER. BUT TO ME, THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S MY POINT WITH FEEDER PATTERNS. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). >> RIGHT. BUT THEY ARE ALTOGETHER. SO THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD STAY TOGETHER. CORRECT? >> YEAH, EXCEPT FOR IF YOU CALL PINE TREE SOUTH, SOUTH, ALL THROUGH PINETREE (INDISCERNIBLE). IT KEEPS THE FEEDER PATTERN, BUT IT DOES BREAK THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> AUTHORITY IN PLACE. CROSS TALK] IF YOU ARE CHANGING BOUNDARIES, EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERED. >> THOSE COULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT NONE OF THOSE PROPOSALS -- LOOK -- >> I'M STATING FACT. THAT'S ALL. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). I WAS MERELY TALKING ABOUT FEEDER PATTERNS AND KEEPING CHILDREN TOGETHER. IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO ME -- I GUESS YOU ARE INSINUATING ALL OF PARKLAND DOESN'T GO TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BROWARD SCHOOLS. IF YOU ARE INSINUATING YOU WANT ALL OF PARKLAND, EVERY PARKLAND RESIDENT TO GO TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS? I'M OKAY WITH THAT, TOO.BUT THESE ARE BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS LOCATED IN PARKLAND. SO THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE SET UP HOW THEY ARE SET UP. AND NOW THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE A BOUNDARY, WHICH WOULD GIVE MSD THE MUCH NEEDED RELIEF THAT IT NEEDS TO MAKE THOSE KIDS, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS SAFER. AND TO ME, THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO DOES ANYBODY -- >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IN C 1, WE'VE GOT 194 STUDENTS; IS THAT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM AT MSD? OR DO WE NEED TO PUT MORE KIDS OUT DURING THIS MOVE? BECAUSE WE ARE THINKING DOWN THE LINE WE MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER BOUNDARY THING THAT COMES UP RELATIVE TO MSD FOR SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE FOUR YEARS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT GRANDFATHERING PEOPLE OUT PROBABLY MEANS WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER BOUNDARY PROCESS. SO LOOKING AT THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT 194 STUDENTS IS ENOUGH FOR US FOR THE PURPOSE OF REALLY ALLEVIATE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. >> RIGHT.> SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER DIFFERENT PROPOSALS LIKE C 4 THAT PULLS OUT A LOT MORE STUDENTS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR US TO THINK ABOUT, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS. >> YOU ARE 100 PERCENT RIGHT. THEIR ORIGINAL WORKSHOP SAID 3 TO 500. >> THE ORIGINAL WORKSHOP SAID 3 TO 500. AND THEN, THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT, THEY SAID 100 400. SO IF YOU NOTICE ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS LEVEL OF SERVICE IMPACT. THEY HAVE SAID THAT ALL THESE PROPOSALS MEET THAT. THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON QUITE YET IS THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECTIONS, WHICH ARE USUALLY DEMOGRAPHERS ARE QU WITH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. [00:30:05] SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN WITH THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE QUITE YET. SURE THEY'LL BE OUT ANYTIME NOW. >> WE KNOW THOSE ARE GOING TO CHANGE. WE KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MENTIONED IT ALREADY -- THE CORNER OF UNIVERSITY AND SAMPLE IS GONNA BRING IN A TON OF NEW RESIDENTS. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE APARTMENTS. HOW MANY KIDS THAT'S GONNA BRING IN, WE DON'T KNOW YET. BUT WE KNOW IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THE OTHER CORNERS OF THAT INTERSECTION THAT ARE ALL WITHIN THESE TAZ ZONES. SO AGAIN, IF WE JUST FOCUS ON C 1 WITH JUST 194 STUDENTS, I FEAR THAT THAT'S NOT CAN BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AS THESE NEW RESIDENTS COME IN AND AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO I UNDERSTAND IT DOES HIT ALL THE CRITERIA. BUT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS TO THIS I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT. >> I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE IN THOSE STATEMENTS. I WISH WE HAD -- I NOTE JACKIE CHECK SEVERAL TIMES -- BECAUSE WE BEEN TRYING TO GET THOSE PROJECTIONS. TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN FIVE YEARS. >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, JACKIE? I HEARD THE SAME THING ABOUT THE PROJECTION -- IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE ON THE LOWER END OR EVEN THE MIDDLE END OF THAT RANGE, HAS THE SCHOOL BOARD GIVEN ANY INDICATION AS TO WHAT THEY PLAN TO ADDRESS EVEN -- -- THE OVERCROWDING ISSUES THAT IS PRESENTLY THERE AND ANTICIPATED? BECAUSE I VIEW THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF BEING TOWARDS THE LOWER END, LIKE A C 1 PROPOSAL, YOU'D STOP THE PUT SOME ADDITIONAL BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AT DOUGLAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE REMAINING STUDENTS. >> HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING EXCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE MAYOR HAD SAID THEY FIRST HAVE DONE THE ADDRESS VERIFICATION. THEY ARE MOVING NOW TO TAKING A LOOK AT THE BOUNDARIES. BUT THERE IS NOT BEEN FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDING CLASSROOMS OR THE LIKE. THE ENTIRE DISTRICT HAS, I THINK THEY SAID SOMETHING LIKE 4500 EMPTY SEATS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ENTRY SEATS DISTRICT WIDE. SO ADDING CLASSROOMS AND ADDING BUILDINGS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THEY --. BRIER'S POINT. THEY WERE VERY CLEAR THIS IS NOT A CLASSROOM SIZE ISSUE. MSD IS THE CAFETERIA IS TOO SMALL. THE AUDITORIUM IS TOO SMALL. HE HALLWAYS ARE TOO CROWDED. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CLASSROOM PER SE OR CLASS-SIZE OR WHATEVER. SO I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE -- WE SHOULD NOT BE GOING INTO THIS DISCUSSION THINKING THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN EFFECTUATE WHATEVER CHANGE IT IS THEY DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL. AND THEN, AND FOR YEARS, PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE BETTER. >> WELL, BUT I DO THINK -- LISTEN -- I WILL BE BLUNT. YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT PRETTY MUCH A CALLS OUT FOR THE SOLUTION. BUT ASSUMING C 1 WERE TO GO, OR BE PROPOSED OR APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ORDER TO FIX THE PROBLEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME PLAN AHEAD FOR FURTHER ACCOMMODATING STUDENTS AT DOUGLAS. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO SOLVE THE CAFETERIA PROBLEMS OR THE OTHER PROBLEMS. BUT YOU CAN'T JUST PICK C 1 WITHOUT SAYING ALL RIGHT, BUT WERE IN HAVE TO PUT ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE THERE OR SOMEWHERE. >> THAT'S MY POINT. 1, WHILE IT ACCOMPLISHES PART OF THE GOAL -- >> THE SCHOOL IS SAYING IF THERE WERE 1 TO 400 LESS STUDENTS, THERE WOULD BE NO OVERCROWDING. PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT THEIR NUMBERS -- THAT'S WHAT THEIR NUMBERS SAY. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I GET IT. SO THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THIS IS A SOLUTION. >> THE BENEFIT OF C 1 (INDISCERNIBLE) IS GOING TO CREATE 194 SEATS. BUT YOU'RE NOT CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS GOING TO DOUGLAS FROM THAT AREA. THAT'S THE OTHER BENEFIT. >> WELL -- GREAT POINT, EXCEPT C 1 DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION --. BUT FOR THE IMMEDIATE TIME, IT AVOIDS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION. I AGREE. >> I MEAN, TO COMMISSIONER BRIER'S POINT, OBVIOUSLY ACROSS [00:35:07] THE STREET, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD -- PRESUMABLY -- ANOTHER 1200 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I MEAN, ORIGINALLY THE CORNERSTONE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, SO WHO'S TO SAY 1200 IS NOT CAN BE 2000? THAT'S ALL IN CORAL SPRINGS AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE WITH THEIR CITY. THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WHICH (INDISCERNIBLE) BE NICE IF THAT WAS SOMEHOW TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO PROJECT FOR FUTURE ISSUES. I KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS INDICATED THAT THEY MET WITH CITY MANAGER BABBITT NICK. THEY WORK IN A MARKET TO FAMILY, SO HE DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF THE SCHOOL IMPACT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A STATUTE, RIGHT? IF IT'S A ONE BEDROOM HOME -- THIS IS THE NUMBER. WHETHER YOU ARE MARKETING TO SOMETHING OR NOT. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW -- >> (INDISCERNIBLE). WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE. >> EVEN THE DEMOGRAPHERS SAID THE WEDGE IS A CAPTIVE GEOGRAPHIC SPACE. WE HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE TO BE COMING INTO THAT AREA TOO THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY, AGAIN, COUNTERED IN THE EQUATION PROCESS. TO GET THE FUTURE PROJECTIONS. SO WE CAN SAY HERE'S THE FUTURE PROJECTIONS, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLETION OF THE WEDGE. IT INCLUDES -- I KNOW IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE, I ASSUME, THECORNERSTONE , WHICH WOULD BE 700 UNITS OR WHATEVER THAT IS. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THOSE , YOU KNOW, TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, TIME IS NOT ON OUR SIDE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO AS A COMMISSION OR INDIVIDUALLY OR WHATEVER, THE COMMENT ENDS ON NOVEMBER 14. SO THE REMAINING PART OF THIS PROCESS IS PEOPLE COMMENTING ON WHICH PROPOSALS THEY WANT -- NOVEMBER 14, THOSE COMMENTS WILL BE TURNED OFF. AT THAT POINT, IT GETS TURNED OVER TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, WHERE STAFF WOULD PRESUMABLY MEET WITH DOCTOR CARTWRIGHT AND THEY WOULD COME UP WITH WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO PROPOSE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND AT THAT POINT, IT'S FULLY IN THE HANDS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> AND THERE WILL BE, IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH, THEY WILL HAVE THOSE PUBLIC FORUMS. SO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL WAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR ME, WHICH I TRIED TO CLARIFY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES.I'VE MET WITH VICE MAYOR SIMMONS. I'VE MET WITH COMMISSIONER CARTER. I'VE MET WITH MAYOR BROOKE. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN WHEN I PEOPLE TO SAY LOOK, THIS IS NOT TRYING TO KICK OUT CORAL SPRINGS KIDS. THIS IS NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT A PARKLAND ONLY SCHOOL. THIS IS TO HELP MSD. SOMETIMES HER DECISIONS HURT. AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE VOTE FOR US. NOT EVERY DECISION IS GOING TO BE EASY. SOME ARE GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. AND THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT AT LEAST FOR ME, THE C 1 DOES CHECK ALL THE BOXES. IT DOESN'T AFFECT DIVERSITY. YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE AT THE LAST MEETING WENT TO TRIED TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RACE. THAT'S ZERO. THAT IS ZERO INTENT OF ANYONE WHO HAS SUBMITTED PROPOSALS OR ANYONE WHOWANTED THIS PROCESS TO HAPPEN . IT'S TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR -- MSD. PROXIMITY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE CLOSER TO CORAL GLADES. FEEDER PATTERNS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT KEEPS KIDS LONGER TOGETHER. SO THOSE ARE THREE VERY IMPORTANT POINTS TO ME. YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, IS THAT ENOUGH? LOOK, IF THEY ARE AT 100 TO 400, 200 IS BETTER THAN ZERO. YOU KNOW? WHAT I LIKE TO SEE MORE? WHAT I LIKE TO SEE A BIGGER [00:40:06] RELIEF? SURE. BUT I HAVE TO TRUST THE SCHOOL. IF THEY ARE SAYING ONE TO 400 IS ENOUGH, THIS HITS THAT LITTLE SPOT. IT WOULD SHOW SOME COMPASSION TO CORAL SPRINGS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE NEXT -- LIKE WITH C 4, THERE ARE WALKERS. SO THE WALKERS ARE THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WALK TO SCHOOL. I KNOW THERE'S THEM. SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL BUS TRANSPORTATION. YOU KNOW, SO I GET ALL THAT. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A BIGGER IMPACT ON THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE AFTER. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING NEGATIVELY TO CORAL SPRINGS. IT'S JUST MSD IS AT A POINT WHERE IT NEEDS SOME RELIEF. AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT RELIEF. AND IN MY OPINION, IT ACTUALLY IS MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THOSE TAZ ZONES BECAUSE THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE SCHOOLS. IT KEEPS THE FEEDER PATTERNS BETTER. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY -- GO AHEAD (NAME). >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. PFIRST OF ALL, C 1 WAS PRESENTE IN 2016 OR 17 TO THE SCHOOL BOARD? THE BOUNDARY COMMITTEE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. WHENIT WENT TO THE BOARD , IT DIED OUT. IT WAS NO TRACTION. C 4, ALSO THE SAME THING, I THINK IT WAS 2017? (NAME), DO YOU REMEMBER? >> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). (INDISCERNIBLE). >> I KEEP LOSING BOB. I'M NOT SURE IF HE SPEAKING OR NOT? >> NOW I'M SPEAKING. >> OKAY. IT KEEPS BREAKING UP. >> C 4 WAS ALSO SUBMITTED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS APPROVED AND WENT FORWARD, BUT I KNOW IT WAS ALSO IN CONSIDERATION. SO THOSE TWO PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS, WITH NO TRACTION. THIS YEAR MAY BE A DIFFERENT OPINION. THE OTHER PART IS, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK, AS A COMMISSION, WE NEED TO ADVOCATE VERY STRONGLY. AND AGAIN, IT MAY BE TOO LATE. BUT WHEN THE WEDGE WAS BUILT AND OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE BUILT, THERE WERE IMPACT FEES. THOSE IMPACT FEES, INSTEAD OF GOING TO OUR AREA TO INCREASE CAPACITIES AT THE SCHOOL, WENT TO OTHER AREAS TO PAY OFF DEBT SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DASHCODE YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE IMPACT FEES WERE IN TOTALITY? >> I DO NOT. >> OKAY. AGAIN, THAT SOMETHING WHETHER IT'S PAYING OFF DEBT SERVICE -- AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFIC CITIES. BUT PAYING OFF DEBT SERVICE. OVERALL, DOES IT HELP BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS? ABSOLUTELY. DOES IT HELP OUR AREA? NO. SO NOW WE ARE FACED WITH -- AGAIN, THERE ARE 15 BOUNDARY PROPOSALS OUT THERE. MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL. IT'S HARD FOR THEM. AND IT'S HARD FOR ANYBODY. YOU COULD HAVE A KID WHO HAS GRADUATED STONEMAN DOUGLAS OR INCOMING FRESHMEN. THAT IMPACT COULD CREATE ISSUES. >> BUT THE PHASED-IN APPROACH, TO YOUR POINT -- I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF THEY TOOK A SOPHOMORE AND SAID OKAY, YOU ARE NOW MOVING TO CORAL GLADES? I COULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT. >> I'M SAYING (NAME) IS AN ALUMNI OF STONE DOUGLAS. (INDISCERNIBLE). NOW WE ARE PUSHING YOU OUT. IT'S AN IMPACT TO FAMILIES. WHETHER THE REALITY IS THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE OR WHATEVER IT IS? IT IS STILL IN IMPACT TO FAMILIES. SO ARGUMENT SAKE WISE, WHEN MSD IN 2016 HAD ALL THOSE PORTABLES IN. AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH THE CORE CAPACITY. BUT I THINK CORE CAPACITY IS WHAT? 2000 STUDENTS? >> NO. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE -- >> NOT LEVEL OF SERVICE, CORE CAPACITY. >> CORE CAPACITY? COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? [00:45:02] >> CORE CAPACITY, THAT'S THE REASON THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE STAFF IS SAYING -- CLASS SIZE, CLASS QUANTITY IS NOT THE ISSUE. OF SERVICE.> IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE SCHOOL WEBSITE -- >> MM-HMM. I SEE CORE CAPACITY THERE, YES. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) . >> NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE CORE CAPACITY BEING THAT THE CAFETERIA AND THE OTHER FACILITIES ARE SET UP FOR 22 (INDISCERNIBLE) STUDENTS. I'M NOT LOOKING AT GROSS CAPACITY OR PERMANENT CAPACITY. THAT'S A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT, THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT'S, THAT ALL THOSE PARTIES SET. WHICH SIMEON IS ON THAT BOARD. WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO DISCUSS STUDENT GENERATION RATES, IMPACT FEES, THAT TYPE OF STUFF AS WELL. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE OR GROSS CAPACITY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CORE CAPACITY.OME PEOPLE SAY I'M EATING LUNCH AT 9:00, IT'S BECAUSE THE CAFETERIA IS ONLY ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE 2200 STUDENTS IN A NORMAL LUNCH HOUR --. >> SO YOU ARE SUGGESTING WE REASSIGN A THOUSAND STUDENTS? >> NO --. >> THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. >> I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE TO BE MORE VIGILANT ABOUT THE SCHOOL INCREASING CAPACITY OR THE SCHOOL PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FACILITIES. >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. REGARDLESS DASHCODE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO GET A BOUNDARY PROPOSAL, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT LIKELY, THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THE OVERCROWDING IT DOUGLAS? WE CAN'T LOSE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. WE HAVE FOUR SCHOOLS IN CORAL SPRINGS, INCLUDING (INDISCERNIBLE). THREE OF WHICH ARE UNDER ENROLLED AND DOUGLAS IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. AND WHEN DOUGLAS WAS FIRST BUILT, THEY BROUGHT KIDS AND NOT ONLY FROM PARKLAND IN CORAL SPRINGS BUT OTHER PLACES TO FILL IT KNOWING IT WOULD BE BUILT-UP AND WOULD BE ABLE TO POPULATE THAT SCHOOL. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT DOUGLAS WAS NOT MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE THREE OR 4000 STUDENTS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S POINT. SO WHILE C 1 WILL ACCOMPLISH THE IMMEDIATE GOAL, IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE IN TANDEM WITH SOME ADDITIONAL --. >> SO MY POINT, TO COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S, AND I GUESS TWO YEARS -- REALLY, IT SHOULD BE 1500 KIDS THAT --. >> NO, LISTEN TO ME -- >> THERE ARE AVAILABLE SEATS. >> LISTEN, YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR IN TERMS OF FIXING THE PROBLEM. >> I GET IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC OF WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THE BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS. >> CORRECT. >> WE CAN TALK ALL DAY LUNGS AND SAY WE WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS OR ADVOCATE FOR THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC WITH WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. IF THERE ARE 1800 SEATS AT TERRA BELLA, CORAL SPRINGS HI AND CORAL GLADES, THERE IS CAPACITY TO ROOF 1800 STUDENTS FROM MSD TO GET TO YOUR CORE CAPACITY. >> I THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD, BEYOND THE DOUGLASBOUNDARY DESK ON THIS IS THEIR JOB NOT OURS. BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS CAN HAVE TO LOOK AT SCHOOL CONSOLIDATION -- . WORKSHOP THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY WERE LOOKING AT IMMEDIATELY. >> CORRECT. >> AND THERE IS A LARGER REBOUND REPROCESS COMING. BUT THAT IS COMING LATER. WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT'S COMING? THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS? WHATEVER THAT IS. SO THIS PROCESS IS SPECIFIC TO MSD, NOTING THAT THERE IS AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF OVERCROWDING AT THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL. >> THIS IS A PRESSURE RELEASE VALVE AS FAR AS I SEE IT. BE PERFECT. >> (LAUGHING) ABSOLUTELY. >> I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING IF WE DO C 1 OR EVEN C 4. IT'S NOT TO BE HUNKY-DORY. LOOK, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS -- EVERYTHING. THEY ARE BUSINESSES. THERE ALWAYS GONNA BE OVERCAPACITY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY OPERATE. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY OR USE THE TAXES WISELY. THEY CAN'T OPERATE WITH EMPTY CLASSROOMS. HOSPITALS CAN'T OPERATE WITH EMPTY HOSPITAL ROOMS. SO THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BUILD JUST ENOUGH. ACTUALLY, THEY WILL PROBABLY BUILD A LITTLE LESS THAN THEY PROBABLY NEED. BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THOSE THINGS OPERATE. THAT WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM [00:50:01] BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. >> LISTEN, I'M ON BOARD WITH IT AND I AGREE WITH YOU. IT SCALES OF MAKING THE PROBLEM A LITTLE BETTER, RIGHT? ON THE LOWER END OF THAT SCALE IS C 1. THE ONES I WANT TO AVOID ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE A DETRIMENT EFFECT ON PARKLAND. AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, UNLESS I WAS DOING THE MAP MYSELF, WHICH I THINK IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES I COULD SEE DOMINIC FIXING THE PROBLEMS BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE PAINFUL -- I VIEW IT AS DEGREES OF IMPROVING THE PROBLEM. OR ABATING SOME OF THE PROBLEM. SEE 1 IS ON LOWER END, SEE 4 IS ON THE HIGHER, ETC. BUT WHAT I WANT TO AVOID AND I THINK THIS COMMISSION IS AN AGREEMENT -- I THINK IT'S FIVE PROPOSALS THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PARKLAND RESIDENCE. THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT. THEY DON'T FIX THE PROBLEM. THEY DON'T ADDRESS THE GEOGRAPHY AND FEEDER PATTERNS, WHICH I THINK ARE OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE. NOT THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK NEGATIVELY OF THEM, BUT WE HAD TO CHAMPION THE OTHER ONES. HETHER IT'S CORRECTING A PROBLEM WITH 194 STUDENTS OR 300 OR ETC., YOU WERE STILL HELPING THE PROBLEM. THE OTHERS DON'T DO THAT, IN MY VIEW. >> I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE BOUNDARY PROPOSALS. WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOW BROWARD COUNTY CAN DO A BETTER JOB AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THESE PROPOSALS, YOU KNOW, DO WE AS A COMMISSION WANT TO PICK ONE? AND SAY LOOK, WE WANT TO STAND BEHIND THIS ONE BECAUSE IT -- WHATEVER. THERE'S 400. OR THIS ONE MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA. OR THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKLAND RESIDENCE. >> I COULD TELL YOU WE COULD PROBABLY WEED OUT THE FIVE RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT I SEE IT THAT ADVERSELY AFFECT PARKLAND RESIDENCE. I THINK THOSE PROPOSALS SHOULD BE THE ONES, WHETHER WE ARE CHAMPING FOR OR AGAINST, THOSE ARE THE FIVE THAT I VIEW IS NOT ONLY MAKING SENSE BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ALL THE ACCOUTREMENT PROBLEMS THAT JACKIE SPELLED OUT.HOSE WOULD BE THE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT I DON'T THINK FIX THE PROBLEM. >> I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. MINOR SIMILAR. BUT I'M TRYING TO STICK WITH WHAT PROPOSALS WORK AND WHICH ONES ARE POSITIVE, RATHER THAN -- I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO PARKLAND-CORAL SPRINGS. I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID -- AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO. AND I GET WHERE YOUR HEART IS. JUST WANT TO TRY TO STAY FOCUSED ON -- YOU KNOW, TO ME, THE SCHOOL PRESENTED ARRANGE FROM 1 TO 400. AND THEY GAVE EIGHT CRITERIA TO HIT. THERE'S ONLY ONE PROPOSAL THAT HITS ALL EIGHT OF THOSE POINTS. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, C 4. SO THAT'S C 1, OBVIOUSLY. C 4, WHICH IS ALSO -- AGAIN, IT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROPOSAL. BUT IT DOES HAVE IN TAZ 107, IT DOES HAVE SOME POTENTIALLY NEGATIVE FEEDER PATTERN ISSUES. POTENTIALLY. >> YOU MENTIONED THE WALKERS FOR C 4. OUR KIDS REALLY WALKING ACROSS WILDE'S ROAD TO GET TO SCHOOL? I DON'T VIEW THAT AS BEING A FEASIBLE CONCERN. >> ODDS ARE, THEY'RE NOT. BUT -- WHEN YOU ARE WORKING WITH PURE BLACK AND WHITE --. >> LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY: I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING KIDS TO WALK ACROSS (NAME) FOR SAFETY REASONS (LAUGHING). >> SURE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, THE DESCRIPTION, THE TAZ ZONES -- IT CLEARLY STATES 55 STUDENTS WALK.O I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AT ALL. BUT, TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT TO SOMEBODY WHO -- YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE? THAT'S SOMETHING THEY COULD POTENTIALLY USED TO SAY WELL, I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY GO THERE. BUT AGAIN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GO FOR MORE AND, POTENTIALLY, END UP NEGOTIATING FOR LESS. I MEAN, THAT'S -- I GUESS, FIRST LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT US, AS A COMMISSION, WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT A PROPOSAL. AND THEN, WE CAN GET INTO WHICH PROPOSAL WE FEEL IS MOST [00:55:10] BENEFICIAL FOR US TO DO THAT. >> I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THE STATEMENT THAT THIS CITY HAS ALWAYS MADE REGARDING BOUNDARY PROPOSALS. IT'S BEEN BACK SINCE WHENEVER. IS THAT OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE PARKLAND STUDENTS ATTEND A BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL LOCATED IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND. NOW, DOES IT PUT US INTO PICKING ONE OVER THE OTHER? IT JUST (INDISCERNIBLE).T DOESN'T SAY IF MSD HAS COME UP WITH PARKLAND STUDENTS, 30 PERCENT OF THAT CAPACITY. (INDISCERNIBLE) IS WELCOME TO ATTEND. WE'VE HAD WESTGLADES BEFORE WHO IS BEEN UNDER ENROLLED AND STUDENTS CAME IN IS A CHOICE FROM OTHER DIFFERENT AREAS. EVERYBODY IS WELCOME. OUR GOAL HAS BEEN TO ENSURE THAT ALL PARKLAND RESIDENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTEND A BROWARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND. I'M COMFORTABLE CONTINUING THAT POSITION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE REST OF US STAND AS OPPOSED TO PICKING ONE VERSUS THE OTHER? >> KNOW THAT'S WHY WANT TO HAVE --. WILL KNOW WHERE THE FALLOUT IS OF NEW SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. I THINK MOST OF THE SUCCESS HAS BEEN IN ADVOCATING ELECTED OFFICIAL TO ELECTED OFFICIAL, VERSUS THE PUBLIC (INDISCERNIBLE) WHICH IS HELPFUL. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S GONNA BE NINE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DEVELOP OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE EXISTING FIVE AND CURRENTLY FOR NEW MEMBERS TO HELP FACILITATE. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). JORDAN IS HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU ON THAT MIKE. >> YEAH, I'M ONLY GETTING LITTLE BITS AND PIECES OF YOU, BOB. >> WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE THAT STATEMENT AND THAT SENTIMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE. YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. YOU KNOW, WE TAKE A STANCE ON SOMETHING. AND WHILE ADVOCATING FOR PARKLAND STUDENTS WERE PARKLAND RESIDENCE TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH -- I THINK THIS ISSUE, TO ME, WARRANTS A PUBLIC CHOICE. SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHERE WE STAND AND WHY. SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. SO CORAL SPRINGS IS CLEAR AS TO WHY. THE NEWSPAPERS ARE CLEAR AS TO WHY. SO PEOPLE AREN'T MAKING UP REASONS AND SAY WELL, PARKLAND IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW -- THEY WANT TO KILL W KICK OUT ALL OF CORAL SPRINGS. THEY WANT TO BUILD A WALL AND THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN HERE! FOR US TO DO SOMETHING PUBLICLY -- IT MAKES IT CLEAR. >> HERE'S MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT. UNDER NONE OF THESE SCENARIOS IS ALL OF CORAL SPRINGS WIPED OUT.LL THESE PROPOSALS -- NONE OF THEM TAKES THEIR BOUNDARY LINES TO THE BORDER OF PARKLAND AND REMOVE IT FROM CORAL SPRINGS. AND UNLESS THE BOARD DOES IT ON ITS OWN, ARE WE REMOVING ALL OF CORAL SPRINGS. SO IT'S A RED HERRING TO SAY THIS IS A CITY ISSUE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S POINT THAT OUR POSITION SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE THAT WE WANT PARKLAND RESIDENTS TO GO TO SCHOOLS THAT ARE PHYSICALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF PARKLAND. THAT IS NOT AT THE EXCLUSION OF STUDENTS FROM OTHER AREAS. I THINK THAT'S COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S POINT. CANDIDLY, THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROPOSALS THERE THAT TAKES OUT WINDHAM LAKE. I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THOSE PROPOSALS ARE BAD. OTHER THAN IF IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM IN TERMS OF CAPACITY NUMBERS AND OF PARKLAND RESIDENTS AREN'T AFFECTED. SO TO ME , THOSE AREN'T MY CONSTITUENTS. BUT IF IT MAKES SENSE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD'S STANDPOINT TO TAKE KIDS FROM WINDHAM LAKES AND PUSH THEM DOWN A CORAL GLAZE? THAT'S OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHY THE ONLY PROPOSALS THAT VEHEMENTLY I'M AGAINST ARE THE FIVE PROPOSALS [01:00:01] THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT PARKLAND. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THE REST. >> I DOES WHEN ASKED THIS QUESTION. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT I EVEN NEED AN ANSWER. SO WHEN WE LOBBY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, ARE WE SIMPLY SAYING AS LONG AS PARKLAND KIDS CAN GO TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS OR BROWARD SCHOOLS LOCATED IN PARKLAND, I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER ELSE YOU DO? OR ARE WE IN A POSITION TO SAY SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER (NAME), MSD IS OVERCROWDED. I AM SUPPORTING C 1 -- OR WHATEVER -- BECAUSE THIS, THIS, AND THIS. I DON'T WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT CORAL SPRINGS. I DON'T UPSET FEEDER PATTERNS. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT KIDS TO BE -- WHATEVER. IT'S VERY EASY -- CLEARLY WE WANT PARKLAND -- PROCESS. THAT'S A THRESHOLD ISSUE. THE THRESHOLD ISSUE IS I DON'T WANT PARKLAND RESIDENTS TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. THEN IT GETS TO THE LOGICAL ISSUE -- WHERE ON THE MAP -- IF YOU PULL IT UP, IT CRIES OUT WHERE YOU CAN GET THE FIX, WHETHER IT'S 1 OR 4, IS FROM THE SOUTHEAST TAZ ZONES. WHETHER THAT'S 1, 4, I THINK FIVE HAD THAT LITTLE CARVEOUT FOR CORAL SPRINGS? BUT THOSE ARE THE TAZ ZONES THAT MAKE SENSE FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT. SO YOU GOT THE THRESHOLD ISSUE IS THAT. AT THE SECONDARY ISSUE IS FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, YOU TAKE THE KIDS THAT ARE FARTHEST AWAY FROM DOUGLAS AND YOU MOVE THEM -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PREFERENCES TO MOVE THEM TO CORAL GLAZE HIGH. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR THRESHOLD ISSUE AT THE TOP AND WHEN YOU MOVE DOWN -- I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE PREFERENCE FROM THE LOGIC STANDPOINT IS TO TAKE THE KIDS FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL AND MOVE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. PBUT IF THE SCHOOL BOARD DECIDE --. >> I GET ALL THAT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WITH THIS WORKSHOP THAT WE ARE HAVING HERE TODAY, WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION AND I'M GLAD WE HAD IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO ANY CONSENSUS, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. DO WE WANT TO FINISH THIS WORKSHOP BY PUBLICLY BACKING A PROPOSAL OR NOT? I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DISCUSS -- I UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF YOU FEEL. I'M GLAD FOR HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. SO WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSING IT, BUT TO ME, IT KIND OF JUST -- WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION. SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER ENDING THIS WORKSHOP. BUT BEFORE WE END, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AS A COMMISSION, IS THERE SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY SUPPORT? OR DO WE WANT TO JUST STAY WITH THE STATEMENT THAT WE WANT PARKLAND KIDS TO GO TO BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS IN PARKLAND AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU DO IS UP TO YOU GUYS? GO AHEAD, JORDAN. >> LISTEN, I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE CONVERSATION. IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. MY ONLY RELUCTANCE IN SUPPORTING A SINGLE PROPOSAL IS THE SCHOOL BOARD STILL HAS THE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO MODIFY PROPOSALS BASED OFF OF CRITERIA WHICH IS ALREADY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AND BIGGER, BROADER STROKES. MY ONE CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE DO CHAMPION A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, IT MAY BE DEEMED AS THOUGH THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES TO. I THINK IT GOES BACK TO VICE MAYOR'S COMMENT AND I THINK SIMEON TOUCHED ON IT. 194 STUDENTS, DEFINITELY NOT A SMALL CHUNK. THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THE SCHOOL BOARD CONFESSION SOMETHING BEYOND WHAT THESE PROPOSALS PROVIDE FOR. THAT ADDS A BIGGER EFFECT ON THE RELIEF. THE MITIGATION OF THE CAPACITY. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT C 1 HITS THE CRITERIA. I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO THE ABILITY TO DO MORE IF THE SCHOOL BOARD FINDS A POSSIBLE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK WE ARE DISCUSSING. >> OKAY. SO THAT, TO ME, COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN, COMMISSIONER BRIER AND COMMISSIONER JETT ? FOR WHICH I'M FINE WITH. AS I SAID, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRAP THIS UP. >> I APPRECIATE AND I THINK THIS MIGHT BE YOUR POINT -- HUGS GET FED AND PIGS GET SLAUGHTERED. I THINK WERE TRYING TO RELEASE THAT PRESSURE VALVE AND GET SOME RELIEF FROM DOUGLAS WITHOUT AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS. THINK 1 DOES ADD TO THE LOWEST DEGREE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. DO I THINK IT SOLVES A PROBLEM? NO. MORE. IT HELPS A PROBLEM A LITTLE [01:05:09] MORE. IT DOESN'T SOLVE IT, BUT IT HELPS A LITTLE MORE. ALL OF THOSE PROPOSALS I'D BE FINE WITH AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I VIEW AS NOT HELPING THE PROBLEM OR CREATING A BIGGER PROBLEM FOR THE PARKLAND RESIDENTS. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON WHICH OF THE PROPOSALS WE WANT TO GO OUT AND LOBBY AND CHAMPION FOR? >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S A POSITION WE WANT TO TAKE? OR TO COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S POINT, HIS POSITION IS -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARKLAND RESIDENTS GO TO BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS IN PARKLAND. WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE WITH. BUT HE WANTS TO STOP IT AT THAT. IN MY ACCURATE? >> AGAIN, PUBLICLY STOPPING AT WHEN WE LOBBY THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, AS COMMISSIONER BRIER POINTED OUT, THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT PRESENTED HERE. AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE DEMOGRAPHERS OR THE SCHOOL BOARD STAFF GOES AND SAYS -- THERE MAY BE A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT SAYS HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA? THE DEMOGRAPHER TURNS AROUND AND SAYS THAT'S A GOOD IDEA --. DOESN'T MEAN WE AREN'T OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. >> RIGHT (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THAT STATEMENT, TO ME, IS A NO-BRAINER. AND I'M HAPPY WITH THAT STATEMENT. BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP MSD. >> WHY DOESN'T IT HELP MSD? >> BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TELLING THE SCHOOL THAT WE BELIEVE SOMETHING MUST HAPPEN. THEREFORE, I AM SUPPORTING -- WHATEVER. >> RIGHT --. >> BY US SIMPLY SAYING -- WHICH I AGREE WITH -- IT DOESN'T MAKE AN EMPHASIS. LOOK, YOU JUST SAID EARLIER THAT C 1 WAS PROPOSED IN 2016 AND NOTHING HAPPENED. YOU KNOW WHY NOTHING HAPPENED? BECAUSE THERE'S NOT PEOPLE OUT THERE SAYING SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN. IT HAS TO HAPPEN! NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION. AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO CORAL SPRINGS, AND I AM SORRY FOR THAT, THERE IS A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN 2016, THAT MEANS EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA. IT HELPS WITH THE FEEDER PATTERNS. IT'S CLOSER PROXIMITY STOP FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO COME BACK AND TELL ME WELL, LOOK, ALL PARKLAND RESIDENTS GO TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS, SO YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. DON'T WORRY THAT MSD IS STILL OVERCROWDED, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU ASKED US NOT TO DO. WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY PARKLAND KIDS OUT. THAT'S MY POINT. IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING AS A COMMISSION, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR -- WHERE I STAND, SO THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD KNOWS. DR. HART WRIGHT KNOWS, OUR RESIDENTS KNOW -- THAT TO ME, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. AND I WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT CORAL SPRINGS KIDS GOING TO PARKLAND SCHOOLS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT RACE. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS. MSD IS OVERCROWDED AND THERE NEEDS TO BE FEWER STUDENTS ENROLLED IN MSD. PERIOD. >> OKAY. OR -- AGAIN, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO INCREASE CAPACITY. ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE OBJECTING TO INCREASED CAPACITY? >> THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS DON'T DO NOTHING, GO AHEAD AND BUILD SOMETHING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. WE HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THE BOARD THAT WILL START THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR. ALLEVIATING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. IMMEDIATELY. LOOK -- WHEN I SEE A PROBLEM, I LIKE TO ADDRESS IT -- IMMEDIATELY. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU FIX IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T BUILD SCHOOLS LATER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU AT CAPACITY LATER. JUST BECAUSE I'M DOING THIS RIGHT NOW, TO COMMISSIONER BRIER'S POINT AND VICE MAYOR -- 194 IS NOT REALLY ENOUGH. HOWEVER, 194 IS BETTER THAN ZERO. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN NEXT YEAR I CAN'T SAY OKAY, YOU CAN SEE 194 DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. NOW LET'S ADD CAPACITY. NOW LET'S DO THIS. NOW LET'S DO THAT. WHATEVER IT IS --. >> BUT I'M SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TALKS IN PARALLEL. IN OTHER WORDS, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO DO BY JANUARY [01:10:10] OR FEBRUARY OR WHATEVER, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SITE SURVEYS, WHATEVER THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE PROPERTY THAT WE CONTINUE TO ASK -- AT LEAST I HAVE -- COUNTYWIDE TO SURPLUS. PTHEIR DOLLARS OUT THERE THEY COULD RECOUP TO INCREASE ADDITIONAL CAPACITIES AT DIFFERENT AREAS. THEY HAVE 45,000 SEATS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, TO CONSOLIDATE. ON SUNRISE OFF OF OAKLAND PARK --. WORRY IS SOME FOR ME FOR NOTHING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THEY'RE GOING TO DO A WHOLE NEW REBOUND REPROCESS? IT'S IMPERATIVE WE DO SOMETHING NOW. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT PROPOSAL WILL COME LATER? MAYBE MONARCH WILL COME INTO PLAY? COCONUT CREEK? WHO KNOWS. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. I GET IT. LOOK -- >> WE'VE GOT NINE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, ACTUALLY SEVEN THAT HAVE THEIR AREAS --. PROPOSAL DIDN'T GO FORWARD. IT IS IN FRONT OF THEM. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET FIVE OF THOSE MEMBERS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING. WHEN THESE PROPOSALS WERE PRESENTED AND GOING THROUGH THE BOUNDARY PROCESS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRESSURES AT DIFFERENT AREAS FOR DIFFERENT SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. WHEN YOU HAVE SCHOOLS LIKE STRANAHAN AND BLANCHE (NAME) AND OTHER SCHOOLS -- (INDISCERNIBLE) OF THE BOND ISSUE. THOSE SCHOOLS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH GROUPS AND CAPACITY. (INDISCERNIBLE) TURNAROUND -- >> GUESS WHAT? IF WE LOBBY FOR WHATEVER? AND THE SCHOOL BOARD ENDS UP SAYING IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING -- GUESS WHAT? AT LEAST WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD. >> I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GIVEN AS A BENEFIT OF HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THIS ISSUE ON A FINITE LEVEL. WERE NOT LOOKING FOR A REBOUND (INDISCERNIBLE) WE ARE LOOKING AT A REBOUND REFER ONE SCHOOL. I LOOK AT IT SIMILAR TO YOU BUT MAYBE WITH A DIFFERENT TWIST. THERE CAN BE THE ONES BAKING THE CAKE. AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAVE (INDISCERNIBLE) IT'S GONNA BE A LEVEL OF IF THE CAKE IS GOOD OR REALLY GOOD. BUT TO ME THE ANCHOVY IS PULLING PARKLAND RESIDENTS OUT OF (INDISCERNIBLE) BOUNDARY. (INDISCERNIBLE). AND SO, I VIEW IT AS WE CAN CHAMPION FOR THE BARE MINIMUM C 1, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE LITTLE BETTER AND THAT AS WE GO FORWARD. BUT I DON'T WANT IS THE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT REMOVE PARKLAND RESIDENTS FROM IT BECAUSE OF THE REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT. A THAT STICKS WITH COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN'S POINT, OUR POSITION. AND BI DON'T THINK IT LOGICALLY SOLVES ANY OF THE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T FIX THE ISSUES ON A LOGICAL BASIS. IT AFFECTS TOO MUCH OF THE OTHER ABSTRACT ISSUES. >> I AGREE 100 PERCENT. AND TO ME, THAT'S MORE OF A REASON TO SUPPORT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS. >> WHAT IF YOU COMPROMISE AND USE TWO OF THEM? SEE ONE UP TO C4. >> I WOULD BE WILLING TO GET BEHIND -- STARTING WITH C 4 AND WORKING DOWN TO C 1 AS A SOLUTION TO IT. I THINK THE ISSUE, FOR ME, IS REALLY A CRITICAL FACTOR. PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. SO I THINK STARTING AT THAT POINT? I CAN CERTAINLY GET BEHIND C 4 AND GETTING DOWN TO C 1. BOTH OF THESE ARE CONTIGUOUS BOUNDARIES. IT MAKES THE MOST LOGICAL STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY ARE AND RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER SCHOOLS. THERE IS A NATURAL HIGHWAY THAT'S A DIVIDING LINE. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES THERE THAT SEEMTO BE , AS COMMISSIONER BRIER POINTED OUT, A LOGICAL FOCUS POINT FOR THAT KIND OF DETERMINATION. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF US AGAINST THEM, IT'S A MATTER OF THIS MAKES MOST LOGICAL SENSE. AND IT'S NUMBERS TO ME MAKE THE MOST LOGICAL SENSE. >> AND IT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DECIDE OBSERVING ASIDE ALL THE STUDENTS TO CORAL GLADES. (INDISCERNIBLE). IF THEY VIEW THAT AS BEING BETTER FOR FEEDER PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEN GOD BLESS -- THAT'S THEM BAKING THE CAKE. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ANCHOVY'S (LAUGHING) NOT [01:15:08] AGAINST PEOPLE WHO READ ANCHOVY'S --. >> I'M JUST SAYING LOGICALLY IT MAKES SENSE THAT THOSE TWO TAZ ZONES WITH THEIR FEEDER ISSUES AND EVERYTHING ELSE SEEM TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM. THAT'S IT. >> I WOULD SECOND WHAT VICE MAYOR (INDISCERNIBLE). >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY NEED TO TAKE A VOTE. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COMMISSION. VOTING WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP. IF YOU WANTED ME TO BRING IT BACK TO A FORMAL PROCESS TO COMMISSION MEETING TO VOTE? >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO HAVE A FORMAL VOTE. >> IF WE HAD CONSENSUS -- AIR WITH HOW WE GOT HERE, WHY WE GOT HERE, AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND JUST SO THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD UNDERSTANDS THIS IS SOMETHING -- WE DON'T WANT THIS PROPOSAL TO COME BACK BEFORE US -- OR BEFORE THAT -- IN 2028 BECAUSE NOTHING WAS DONE IN 2023. YOU KNOW?ECAUSE THAT, TO ME, IS UNACCEPTABLE. >> I THINK THERE ARE THREE THINGS WE WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS PROCESS. ONE IS NO PARKLAND RESIDENTS ARE ADVERSELY AFFECTED. 2 IS SOMETHING GETS DONE TO FIX THE PROBLEM OR HELP ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. AND 3 IS THAT IT GETS DONE NOW. >> YES. AND 4 -- LOOK, BEING SYMPATHETIC TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. IF YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THOSE AND MITIGATE WHATEVER -- THAT'S WHY GO BACK TO C 1 -- MITIGATE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES? THEN IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL 100 PERCENT. AND WHEN A LARGER REBOUNDER ILLUMES? WHICH WE KNOW IS COMING? HOPEFULLY, WE ARE NOT AFFECTED BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY FIXED THAT PROBLEM. I'M NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT SENDING PEOPLE IN THE EAST MONARCH. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FIX THIS PROBLEM AND MST IS SO OVERCROWDED. THAT TO ME IS CRUCIAL, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE --.>> THAT'S WHY THE HIGHER UP ON THAT SCALE YOU GET, THE CLOSER TO C 4 YOU GET -- >> I'M ALL FOR THAT AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT FOR THAT. BECAUSE THEY SAID ONE TO 400. SO THE CLOSER TO 400, OBVIOUSLY, THE BETTER. >> I AGREE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. OBVIOUSLY, THE RESIDENTS HERE TODAY UNDERSTAND GLOBALLY WHERE WE ARE AT. I THINK FROM A POSITION STATEMENT, WHAT COMMISSIONER BRIER HAD MENTIONED AS FAR AS THE FOUR ITEMS. GIVE US ENOUGH BROAD PERSPECTIVE TO WORK WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE NEED, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE GOING TO BOARD MEMBERS TO ADVOCATE. >> YEAH. CROSS TALK] >> SAYING THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO PICK PUTS US IN A BOX. >> WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR. OBVIOUSLY, OUR NUMBER 1 GOAL IS TO PARKLAND. SECOND IS THAT MST GETS THE RELIEF -- AS MUCH RELIEF AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW? AND WITH THAT, HAVING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF NEGATIVE IMPACT TO ANYONE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE CORAL SPRINGS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M AFTER. THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME HAPPY -- THIS SITUATION. BUT MST -- THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF CORAL SPRINGS KIDS THAT GO TO MST THAT ARE SUFFERING THE SAME WAY AS THE PARKLAND STUDENTS. SO WITH THAT, I GUESS WE ARE ALL GOOD, RIGHT? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) CLARITY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT REFERRING NOW, THAT THE COMMISSION STANDS BEHIND ANY OF THE PROPOSALS. IT'S JUST, AGAIN, GOING TO THAT PHILOSOPHY PARKLAND CHILDREN STAY IN BROWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS LOCATED IN PARKLAND? AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO EASE THE OVER ENROLLMENT TO GO WITH THAT, AS LONG AS THAT BASIS IS MET? >> CORRECT. >> SO WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE C 4 AS THE MAX --. WE DO WANT RELIEF NOW. SO WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. THE SCHOOL BOARD PUSHING US DOWN THE ROAD IS SOMETHING WE ARE NOT ADVOCATING. [01:20:01] WITH THE C 1 MINIMUM. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CRITERIA, THERE ARE FIVE PROPOSALS IN MY MIND THAT DON'T MEET THE FIVE CRITERIA THAT WE DISCUSSED. THOSE ARE THREE, SEVEN, 11, 13 AND 14. >> IT'S REALLY C4 AND C1. >> IF THE SCHOOL BOARD COMES BACK AND SAYS WE HEAR YOU WANT C1 AND C4, BUT WE THINK TAKING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OUT IS A LITTLE BETTER? AS LONG AS IT WAS IN THE CRITERIA -- BUT TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY, NAMING A COUPLE PROPOSALS TO ME? IT DOES NOT -- AGAIN. IT'S REALLY JUST BUILDING CONSENSUS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND PUT A STATEMENT OUT THERE --. >> SOME PEOPLE MIGHT. >> LOOK, WE ARE DECIDE THIS IS OUR STANCE. THE SCHOOL BOARD, IF THEY ARE LISTENING OR DR. HART RIGHT, THEY UNDERSTAND OUR STANCE. AND WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, WE ARE SPEAKING FROM A SIMILAR * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.