[1. Call to Order]
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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS CITY COMMISSION WORK SHOP MEET FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND 2022, OCTOBER 19, TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ROLL CALL. >>MAYOR WALKER: HERE.
>>COMMISSIONER BRIER: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER ISROW: HERE.
[4A. Planning for Future City Growth Workshop Series - Discussion 1]
>>VICE MAYOR CUTLER: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: HERE.
>>MAYOR WALKER: THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP.
>> AS THE CITY MANAGER, I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION THAT YOU WANT A PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE. WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE AT BUILD-OUT. WHAT IS OUR VISION.
SO I DIRECTED STAFF TO HIRE CALVIN GIODANO AND ASSOCIATES TO HAVE A SERIES OF SIX WORKSHOPS TO HAVE THE PLANNING PROCESS AND ASSIST WITH THE VISION FOR BUILDOUT.
GOING TO OUR BASIC FUNDAMENTAL THAT OUTLINE DEVELOPMENT GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. A FEW YEARS BACK ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE FOCUSED ON WAS PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DONE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARKS MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE PURCHASED THE BEASLEY PROPERTY. WE BUILT THE COVERED BRIDGE.
AND WE ARE CONDUCTING SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS A AT TERRAMAR PARK. WE FIELD SIX THROUGH NINE.
TWO ARTIFICIAL TURF, TWO NEW BALL FIELDS AND RENOVATING OUR BATHROOMS AND BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A 36-ACRE PARK. NOW WITH THE PURCHASE OF HERON BAY GOLF COURSE, FOCUS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE.
WHAT IS THE GROWTH AND WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT.
TRANSPORTATION AND ROADWAY ACCESS.
INCLUDE TRAILWAYS. WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS, WALKING PATHS, ROUND-ABOUTS. INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION.
OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT NEED IS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND BELONGING. THIS PROJECT CAN PROVIDE THAT WITH THE PILLAR OF A SUSTAINABLE CITY.
SOCIAL. A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME AND BE AS ONE AND BE TOGETHER.
SO THAT WILL BE OUR MAIN FOCUS. WHICH HAVE ME JONLT JIM HICKEY AND GENA GIANFILI TO PRESENT ON A HIGH LEVEL THE OVERVIEW OF THE
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. >>MAYOR WALKER: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. >> GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE.
WTH ME IS THE DIRECTOR OF ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPE URBANISM. HE AND I HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. I AM THE ZONING AND LAND USE GUY. I AM THE ONE THAT HAS THE PIECES TOGETHER AND WORKING WITH HIM, WE CAN WALK THROUGH THAT AND WAYS TO PUT IN DESIGN GUIDELINES, LOOK AT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AND KIND OF GET THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WANT BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WITH THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS FUTURE PROPERTIES.
IS, IN GENERAL, LOOKING AT THE CITY HOLISTICALLY AS WELL.
AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THE WHAT WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY.
WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY BECAUSE WE WANTED YOU TO HAVE TIME TO TALK AND TO GO THROUGH THIS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE DIALOGUE. WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DO YOU WANT, HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT THAT, AND NEXT STEPS AND THE PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD. ORIGINALLY AS YOUR CITY MANAGER SAID, WE STARTED THIS SCOPE OF WORK AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO HELP YOU GUYS ENVISION WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU HAVE A COUPLE LARGE TRACTS OF PROPERTY THAT WILL COME INTO THE CITY IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, MAYBE LESS, MAYBE MORE.
TO LOOK AT THOSE AND HOW TO HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT THOSE AND KIND OF INTEGRATE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS INTO WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE IN THE FUTURE. SO THESE WERE KIND OF THE FOUR STEPS TALKING ABOUT THE SENSE OF PLACE AND THE CENTER TO MEET.
THOSE WERE THE BIG ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT AND, OF COURSE, MAKING IT SUSTAINABLE. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SCOPE OF WORK, THESE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I BELIEVE THESE DATES HAVE BEEN SET ON YOUR CALENDARS AS WELL OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT TOPICS. SO NEXT TIME YOU WILL SEE ME WILL BE DEVELOPMENT AND ROADWAY ACCESS.
WE WILL HAVE OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT HERE THAT WORKS WITH US AS WELL. OPEN SPACE AND DEVELOPMENT.
POTENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND
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WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.AND MAKING DEVELOPMENT UNIQUE. HOW DO YOU PUT THOSE PIECES IN PLACE. AND THEN FINAL STEPS AND CHECK ON THE NEXT ITEMS. SO THIS IS LOOKING AT -- AND THIS HAS BEEN THE DISCUSSION ON THE LAST FEW MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD IS THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR HERON BAY.
IT IS PROPOSED AND YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY BUT A HYPOTHETICAL 30,000-SQUARE-FOOT DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE THE SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL.
YOU HAVE YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE TO GIVE YOU AN INDICATION WHAT THEY ARE. YOU ALL HAD THE DISCUSSION THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE IN BOTH WORLD SPRINGS AND PARKLAND.
HOW IT YOU THAT WORK ESPECIALLY IF A DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN TWO PROPERTIES -- TWO COMMUNITIES. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN.
HOW DO YOU GET THE INTEGRATION AND DO YOU MOVE FORWARD DOING THAT AS WELL. WE ALSO WERE WITH YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO TO TALK OF THE ECONOMICS IN THE MARKET AND THIS SLIDE IS TO GENERALLY -- I THINK YOU KNOW THIS.
YOU HAVE A MUCH HIGHER MEDIAN HOUSE HOLD.
YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME PRICES ARE HIGHER.
A DEMAND THAT WE KNOW THAT FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR RESTAURANTS, NICE HIGH-END RESTAURANTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO BOCA OR DOWN TO MIAMI TO HAVE THESE -- THESE PLACES OR THESE WONDERFUL PLACES THAT YOU CAN GO AND MEET.
AND THEN THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SOME RETAIL AND MAYBE SOME OFFICE TO BRING IN THE COMMUNITY SO FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY WORK HERE AND STAY IN THE CITY.
SO WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PARK DOES PARKLAND WANT? I WILL HAND IT OVER TO GIANO AND HE WILL TALK ABOUT THE VISUALIZATION WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
>> GOOD EVENING. WHEN TALK OF CREATING ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE DESTINATION AND CREATING ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE DESIRABLE. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WE WANT TO INCORPORATE ARE THE GOOD SYNCHRONIZATION OF THE BUSINESS AND THE PUBLIC REALM THE DRAW TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
ONCE WE LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS WHICH IS URBAN KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS SET WITHIN SORT OF SUBDIVISION TYPES OF FRAMEWORKS, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THERE IS A VARIED UTILIZATION THAT IS PARLAYED IN THESE PROJECTS.
ALLOW ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY IN THE VARIETY OF TENANTS THAT ARE THERE SO IT CAN BE AS RESILIENT ECONOMICALLY AS POSSIBLE.
THESE TEND TO HAVE AN URBAN CHARACTER.
WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO BE AROUND WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE. BEING ABLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THESE INSIDE-OUT SHOPPING CENTER IS WHAT WE CALL THEM.
LIFESTYLE CENTER WHERE EVERYTHING IS FRAMED AROUND A STREET TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT REALLY CREATES A SORT OF DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT THAT IS REALLY SORT OF FEEDS THE PEDESTRIAN NEED TO BE AROUND OTHER PEOPLE. GENERALLY, THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS HAVE A STREET QUALITIES THAT TRIES TO MIMIC A MAIN STREET WITH SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ACTIVATED AND ANIMATED, RESTAURANTS THAT SPILL OUT. PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN RECOGNIZE RATE AND FIND SOME PASSIVE, SORT OF RELAXATION.
AND THEY TEND TO ALWAYS CENTERED AROUND AND EVENT SPACE.
AND THE EVENT SPACE TEND TO BE PLACES THAT CAN LEND THEMSELVES TO WEEKENDS CONCERTS, FARMER'S MARKETS, THE KIND OF ACTIVITIES THAT BRING AND DRAW AS GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THE DETAILING WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE WORK IS THAT PLACEMAKING COMPONENT.
WHAT ARE THE FURNISHING, WHAT IS THE LIGHTING, THE MATERIALITY, THE COLOR, THE TREATMENT, ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
THEY REALLY START TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DETAIL SOMETHING THAT IS OF A HIGHER QUALITY AND A MORE LUXURIOUS SORT OF FINISH.
AND ALL THOSE ARE PARLAYED AROUND AN EXPERIENCE-CENTRIC KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY ABOUT FOSTERING ACTIVITY. FOSTERING THE CREATION OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO THE OVERALL SPACE SO THEY, TOO, CAN PERSONALIZE IT WITHIN THE PUBLIC REALM AND MAKE OF IT WHAT THEY WANT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST WANT TO MEET WITH FRIENDS, HAVE SPACES WHERE THEY CAN SPEND WITH FAMILY. AND OTHER TIMES PLACES WHERE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO GET AWAY AND WANT TO BE BY THEMSELVES.
AND CREATING A SPACE AND THANK ACCOMMODATES ALL THESE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO SORT OF CAUTION YOU WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE SPACES, WE HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN THE OPEN SPACES ARE TOO BIG.
THEY TEND TO NOT FUNCTION VERY WELL.
THEY WANT TO REALLY LOOK AT SORT OF HOW DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN SPACE ARE WELL BALANCED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT
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SORT OF SWALLOWING UP ALL THE PUBLIC REALM SPACE.OR SO MUCH PUBLIC SPACE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ACTIVITY THAT AN MATES IT WHERE IT BECOMES AN ATTRACTOR OF ITS OWN.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE A GREAT
PUBLIC SPACE. >> AND SO, ESTABLISHING A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. IF YOU WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING PROPERTY. OF COURSE YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE YOUR LAND USE AMENDMENT. AND PLATTING PROCESS.
THAT IS THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY.
ESTABLISHING A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
HE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
HAVING THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND AND LEARN WHAT IS GOING ON AND GET INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE OF WHERE THE INFORMATION SHOULD BE COMING FROM IS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
AND ALSO HELPS FOR BUY-IN. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT IS A UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT AND ONE OF THE TOOLS OF THE TOOLBOX THAT PLANNERS USE IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. REALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS A WAY TO KIND OF ESTABLISH WHAT YOUR MASTER PLAN IS AND PUT IT INTO A ZONING DISTRICT. REALLY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS TO PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
YOUR HEIGHT, YOUR SETBACKS. YOUR KIND OF -- WHERE THE BOX OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO GO. AND KIND OF SET THOSE IN PLACE.
YOU HAVE THOSE IN PLACE AND CAN WORK ON THAT, YOU CAN DEVELOP THAT FOR THE DEVELOPER SO THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY COME IN KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES. AND IN ADDITION -- AND GIANO CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. TO ESTABLISH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT TALK OF THE SENSE OF PLACE, THE PLACEMAKING, THE FURNITURE, THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALKS, THE WIDTH OF THE ROADWAYS.
TALKING OF THE OPEN SPACE HOW MUCH THAT SHOULD BE AND WHAT THE WALKABILITY IS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF MECHANISMS ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR ZONING AND LANDUSE THAT YOU CAN USE AS A TOOL TO GET THE PRODUCT YOU WANT.
A LOT OF CITIES STWRUGLE WITH THE LANDS USE AND ZONINGS ARE ONE THING. YOU PUT A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT IN, YOU TEND TO GET A STANDARD PRODUCT.
I KNOW IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH A DEVELOPMENT OF A SIZE AND SCALE YOU ARE LOOKING AT AND THE QUALITY THAT YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MECHANISMS IN PLACE, THAT MAKES IT A LOT -- YOU GET A MUCH BETTER PROJECT PRODUCT TO START.
: AND YOU GET THE PRODUCT YOU WANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK
-- >> YEAH, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT JIM JUST SAID. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF THE ZONING AND DESIGN GUIDELINES COMBINATION IS TO BUILD AS MUCH PREDICTABILITY AS POSSIBLE. TO CUT OUT SOME OF THE SURPRISE AS THAT DEVELOPERS MAY BRING TO THE TABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT FROM THE FRONT END, YOU ARE COMMUNICATING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WANT TO BRING TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
WHEN WE TALK OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WE ALWAYS TALK OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND NOT PUBLIC OUTREACH. THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IS ABOUT PUTTING OUT INFORMATION. WE THINK GOING THROUGH AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHERE YOU ARE SPENDING TIME WITH YOUR RESIDENTS. SPENDING TIME WITH YOUR BUSINESS OWNERS. REALLY ALLOWING THEM TO COME TO THE TABLE, SHARE THEIR IDEAS. PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND GO THROUGH A REIT A I HAVE IT PROCESS THAT BECOMES A MUCH MORE FULFILLING PROCESS WHERE YOU GET MUCH MORE BUY-IN FROM THE RESIDENTS.
THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONTRIBUTORS WILL, OF COURSE, NOT ONLY INCLUDE THE CITY RESIDENTS AND GENERAL PUBLIC BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE PLANS AND ZONING ADVISORY BOARD, YOU, AS WELL AS AN ENTITY, THE THOUGHT LEADERS AND KEY STAKEHOLDERS OF THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE THERE AT THE FRONT LINES SHAPING WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE FUTURE OF PARKLAND ARE.
SOME OF THE ENGAGEMENT TOOLS THAT WE USE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO ENGAGE, COMMUNICATE, EDUCATE AND EXCEED EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS. SO USING THAT AS A MODEL, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO SORT OF RECOMMEND AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT BUILDS UPON THE PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE AND THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD. AND ARE ALWAYS MOVING THE BALL FORWARD, ALWAYS LOOKING TO GET AN ATTAINABLE GOAL AT THE ENDS OF EVERY MEETING. WE CAN DO THOSE THROUGH SURVEYS, OF COURSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. NOW WITH -- AFTER COVID, EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO USE ZOOM, RIGHT.
WE CAN HAVE ONLINE WORKSHOPS, WE CAN HAVE FORUMS. WE CAN HAVE WEB-BASED ENGAGEMENT TO POST OFFICE THROUGH A WEBSITE AND RESIDENTS CAN COMMENT ON THEM.
THEY CAN BE REALTIME. TRACK THIS FOR RECORD KEEPING.
AS WELL AS ROUNDTABLE AND CONSENSUS BUILDING.
WE HAVE DONE NOT ONLY FACE TO FACE AND ONLY DONE EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS. AND A SERIES OF DIFFERENT TOOLS WE CAN TO DO COMBINE THE BEST OF THE OUTREACH AND BEST OF THE
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ENGAGEMENT TO GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE.>> SO HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW DO WE START THE PROCESS? YOU ALL ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
TO DEVELOP THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
YOU CAN DO THAT CURRENTLY. IF YOU ARE WORKING FOR A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, YOU CAN HAVE THAT PROCESS STARTED AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU START YOUR OTHER PIECES.
I ALWAYS SAY YOU DON'T WANT THE ROOSTER -- THE FOX RUNNING THE HEN HOUSE, RIGHTS. BUT IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE WITH YOU A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK AND INTEGRATE INTO THE PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND ALLOW IT IS TO OCCUR QUICKLY. IF SOMEONE -- IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY YOU ARE GOING TO PURCHASE, THAT CAN BE PART OF THE -- THE OVERALL PROCESS.
AND THIS IS JUST GIVING YOU KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING AND OF COURSE EVERYTING IN PLANNING TAKES A VERY LONG TIME TO PROCESS. AND A LOT OF THESE -- IF YOU ARE WORKING -- ALL OF THESE CAN BE WORKING CONCURRENTLY.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR MASTER PLAN PUBLIC ENGAGE 789 PROCESS.
WHILE THAT IS GOING ON AND YOU GET THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND START TO GET MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN START THAT LAND USE PROCESS. PLOTTING CAN BE DONE ANY TIME BUT THAT PLATTING DURING A BUILDING PERMIT.
THIS CAN BE DONE AT ONE TIME, OR COME BACK TO A COMMISSION MEETING WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO SEEM UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE PIECES ARE NEEDED.
IF THIS ALL GOES FORWARD, EVERYTHING GOES FORWARD.
YOU DON'T WANT -- HARD WHEN YOU BRING PIECEMEAL THINGS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A PLAT, LAND USE OR ZONING IS.
HAVING THEM RUN CONCURRENTLY. THE SITE PLAN, DEPENDING WHEN IT STARTS, IT WILL RUN CONCURRENTLY.
WITH THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND CITY MANAGER WANTS TO TALK OF THIS SLIDE AND THEN WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT
YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>MAYOR WALKER: GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NANCY.
>> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IS OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE OPEN SPACE. WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PRODUCT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? DOES IT INCLUDE OPEN SPACE? IS IT OWNED BY THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER? THE CITY TO UTILIZE IT AS A PUBLIC REALM, A PUBLIC SPACE.
THE DEVELOPER TO MAINTAIN AND A CENTER IS PIECE AND GATHERING PLACE. SO SPECIFICALLY AS WE HAVE SEEN IN SEVERAL DIAGRAMS, THE HEART OF THE PROJECT WILL BE AN OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
NOW SINCE THAT OPEN SPACE CAN SERVE IN A VARIABLE WAYS, WHAT WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS IS, DO YOU WANT THAT CENTERPIECE TO BE A PUBLIC REALM WHERE PEOPLE CAN MEETS.
AND LET'S TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER.
I HEARD ONE OF YOU MENTION AT OUR LAST MEETING, MAYBE THE CITY STILL OWNS THAT OPEN SPACE. WHAT A GREAT CONCEPT.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN ALSO HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION ON. I AM NOT GOING TO GET TOO BOGGED DOWN IN DETAIL, BUT LET'S BE CREATIVE.
MAYBE A WAY TO DO A LEASE BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR A LAND. AND OF COURSE WE WANT THEM TO MAINTAIN IT. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE MAINTENANCE ON A PUBLIC PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF A COMMERCIAL PLAZA. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF THAT IS -- WHAT DIRECTION WOULD THIS COMMISSION LIKE TO SEE. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND AND TIGHTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITIVE SCOPE.
WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS AND TALKING AND GETTING YOUR DIRECTION KNOWING WHAT YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THAT ASPECT WILL HELP US MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.
>>MAYOR WALKER: THIS SLIDE HERE, I THINK, SAYS A LOT AT LEAST FOR MME ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS PEOPLE GET NERVOUS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL. THEY SAY OH, IT IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL. PEOPLE THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A MALL, A STRIP MALL, WHATEVER IT IS.
I ALWAYS HAVE ENVISIONED SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.
THIS IS A TOWN CENTER.THIS SHOULD BE A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME TOGETHER. OF AND LIKE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH A CUP OF COFFEE, HANG OUT WITH FRIENDS, SEE YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY. ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO ENGAGE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA.WLP IT'S -- YOU KNOW, FARMER'S MARKET, CRAFT FAIRS, ART SHOWS.
WHATEVER TYPES OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
LOOK, RIGHTS NOW, WE DO A LOT OF INCREDIBLE EVENTS.
AND THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER IS FANTASTIC, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE WE NEED MORE SPACE AND NEED DIFFERENT SPACE. THIS GIVES US A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES. IT BROADENS A LOT OF THE EVENTS
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WE CAN DO. I MEAN, WE HAVE AN AMAZING PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR THAT CAN COME UP WITH GREAT STUFF.LOOK, YOU CAN KEEP ALL YOUR OTHER THINGS AND NOW START INCORPORATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS.
AND WE ARE STARTING TO DO SOME OF THAT WITH THE SOFTBALL, THE KICKBALL, STARTING TO INTRODUCE DIFFERENT THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AS OUR COMMUNITY GROWS, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS AND DIFFERENT DESIRES AND DIFFERENT WANTS. THING IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONTINUE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, DIVERSE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTS, WHATEVER IT IS. SOME THE PUBLIC REALM TO ME IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS -- WAS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. AND I THINK TO SAY I -- IT IS WHAT I HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS. WHEN I SAY "I" I AM LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IF THE CITY OWNS OR A DEVELOPER, THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE CAN DELVE INTO THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WITH SOME SORT OF PUBLIC REALM WILL ABSOLUTELY WILL BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.
AND I THINK FOR TONIGHT, THAT IS -- YOU ARE JUST KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FROM US.
NOT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FIVE RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE KIND OF SAYING WE WANT IT TO BE A COZY PLACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO COME AND ENJOY ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT ARE THERE, WHETHER IT IS RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER.
COMMISSIONER ISROW. >>COMMISSIONER ISROW: AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO OWN THE SPACE BECAUSE ENSURES IT IN PERPETUITY.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN A DEVELOPER CHANGES OVER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
IN TERMS OF WHAT TO PUT THERE, WE DO A LOT OF EVENTS AND BASICALLY A LOT FALL ON PINE TRAILS.
OUR HEAVY LIST. NOT TO SAYS IT ANYTHING MASSIVE, BUT IMPORTANT TO HAVE ANOTHER OPTION WHETHER IT BE BE A SCALED-DOWNSTAGE OR IF IT IS IN THE CENTER OF THE SPA SPACE, BUFFERED ENOUGH SO NOT TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS LIVING NEARBY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, ONE, ENOUGH OF A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HOLD AN EVENT WHETHER A FARMER'S MARKET AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT ALSO SOME SORT OF PLAY AREA FOR KIDS, BECAUSE WHAT I AM ENVISIONING IS, IF PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING OR CONGREGATING ON THE OUTSIDE -- I WILL CALL IT THE CIRCLE OR WHATEVER, GOING TO SCORES, GETTING ICE CREAM. HAVING COFFEE.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET PEOPLE TO CONVENIENT IN THE MIDDLE, YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SIT, MAYBE MORE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CENTER GREEN SPACE AND MAYBE SOMEWHERE ADJACENT TO IT, A CORNER OR SOMETHING ENOUGH WITH AN UNIQUE PLAYGROUND.
NOT A SWING -- I HAVE SEEN ORGANIC-STYLE PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE SPACE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF WATER FEATURE A FOUNTAIN OR SOME SORT OF EVEN SPLASH PAD. I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE A HUGE ASK, SOMEONE WITH KIDS, I CAN SEE IT BEING A REALLY COOL DAY.
YOU WANT IT TO BE EQUALLY ATTRACTIVE DURING THE DAY TIME AND EQUALLY ATTRACTIVE AT NIGHT. THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT DRAWS FOR THE DIFFERENT TIME OF THE DAY.
NIGHT PROBABLY MORE SO FOR ADULTS AND GROWN KIDS.
KIDS, SOMETHING MORE FOR THE SOCIAL ASPECT FOR FAMILIES TO CONVENIENT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FROM THAT PINT TO KEEP IN MIND THE PURCHASE -- OR MAINTAIN SOME OWNERSHIP OF THE GREEN SPACE, NOT JUST IN THE CENTER BUT MAYBE EVEN SOME COUNTY EXTERIORS AND OTHER POCKETS AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT MAY HAVE USE THAT ARE ANCILLARY TO THE OVERALL
THANK YOU. >>MAYOR WALKER: ANTHONY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HICKEY, AT THE BEGINNING YOU MENTIONED A PROPOSED CONSENSUAL PLAN. I WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THE CITY COMMISSION HAS NOT MADE ANY DETERMINATIONS YET WHAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE FOR THE SITE.
AND I KNOW THE FOCUS WAS ON OPEN SPACE.
THAT WAS A CONCEPT FOR THE IS IT I TO CONSIDER, CORRECT?
>> YEAH, A CONCEPT OF THE PLAN, YES.
THANKS FOR THAT COVER, ANTHONY. VICE-MAYOR.
>>VICE MAYOR CUTLER: ON ADVICE OF COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART OR THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE OR WHATEVER. WE TALKED OF THE IDEA OF HAVING PUBLIC INPUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT IN THIS SPACE. PERSONALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT UTILIZED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE SOME CONSIDERATIONS RELATIVE TO THE IDEA OF BRINGING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE ARE
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LOOKING FOR COMES INTO PLAY. AND SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT WHAT I SEE AS A SIGNIFICANT S&P PROBLEM IN TRYING TO BALANCE THAT. THINGS YOU WANT TO DO BUT WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THE CITY, THE WATER PARK TYPE STUFF OVER -- IN ONE OF OUR OTHER PARKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND AGAIN LOOKING AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET.>> DID I SAY 30,000 SQUARE FEET -- A PLANNER THINKING OF SQUARE
FOOTAGE OR ACREAGE PA. >>VICE MAYOR CUTLER: MY POINTS IS EVEN THOUGH WE MAY WANT TO HAVE OPEN SPACE AND A PUBLIC REALM, WE INCORPORATE OUR RESIDENTS INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW TO APPROACH THIS THING.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IF I COULD SPEAK --
>>MAYOR WALKER: YES. >> THAT PROCESS THAT I SHOWED, THAT CAN BE ELONGATED, RIGHT. AND I THINK FROM THE DISCUSSIONS YOU MIGHT NEED MORE TIME WITH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING FOR, RIGHT.
AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE VIEWS FROM THE ENTIRE CITY.
>>VICE MAYOR CUTLER: THAT IS PART OF YOUR SCOPE.
>> YOU START TO DEVELOP THE -- >>VICE MAYOR CUTLER: AGAIN, TONIGHT, WE ARE NOT DECIDING WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE.
WE ARE JUST GIVING A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB WHETHER IT IS STAFF OR CGA.
AND FOCUS IN AGAIN. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T CHANGE. PUBLIC REALM.
WE WHEN SAY "PUBLIC REALM" WE ASSUME THAT WILL BE SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL. NOT A HUGE PARK.
A LITTLE BIT OF A COMBINATION. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
LOOK, I AM NOT SAYING NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
I GUESS MY POINT IS THIS CENTER COMMERCIALLY WILL BE ONLY AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE ABILITY TO DRAW PEOPLE IN.
THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS ITSELF, SOME THINGS MAY APPEAL TO SOME PEOPLE AND SOME MAY APPLY TO OTHERS.
PRESIDENT TRADITIONAL GREEN SPACE GATHERING IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN FIND OME SOMETHING IN.
YOU MADE A COMMENT TO RECOUP THE REVENUE AND COMMERCIAL.
I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD BE WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT THE CITY WILL BE WILLING TO INVEST, THE SAME WAY WE BUY GREEN SPACE FOR THE 36-ACRE PARK. AND WHAT IS IT TO INVEST WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING AND LAND BANKING.
WE ALREADY HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND THIS IS KIEJ OF AN
OPPORTUNITIES. >> TO YOUR POINT -- YOU MAKE GREAT POINTS, AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE AS WE GET CLOSER WITH COMING UP WITH THE DISTRICT OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT BUILD-OUT AND LOOKS TO ME AROUND JANUARY. WHERE WE WILL BE IN THAT POSITION WHERE WE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN FINE TUNING WHAT THIS WILL POTENTIALLY BE. YOU KNOW, LIKE -- AND TO YOUR POINT. ONE OF THE SLIDES YOU HAD WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF STREETS. IT IS COOL TO HAVE A STREET FAIR. YOU CLOSE THE STREETS.
AND YOU CAN HAVE AN EATS AND BEATS.
BUT IT IS ON THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, LIKE --
>> STREETS AND BEATS. >> STREETS AND BEATS,
COMMISSIONER BRIER. >>COMMISSIONER BRIER: THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHETHER THIS PROPERTY OR OTHER PROPERTIES, MY CONCERN WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF DEVELOPMENT IS MAINTAINING OUR CHARACTER AND CULTURE.
YOU KNOW, PARKLAND IS NOT A DESTINATION CITY FOR ENTERTAINMENT OR EVEN RESTAURANTS.
IT IS A COMMUNITY OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND PURPOSELY DESIGNED THAT WAY. AND YOU WANT TO LIVE OR -- FINE, LIVE AND PLAY HERE, GO AND WORK AND EAT POTENTIALLY SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE ARE TRYING TO BRIDGE THAT GAP A LITTLE, BUT MY BIGGER THINGS IS NOT TO OVERSTEP THAT.
I HAVE YET TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OR ARTEM PLATE FOR WHERE IT SUCCEEDS IN ANOTHER AREA IN SOUTH FLORIDA OR OTHERWISE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN OUR CITY.
IF YOU ALL CAN FIND TH THOSE UNICORNS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM. 30 AREAS IN OUR SURROUNDING AREAS NOT TO KNOCK ANY OF THESE CITIES.
AND WON'T FIT THE PROMENADE AND MEISNER AND SHOPPES AT PEMBROKE NAPLES OR ANYTHING OF THAT ILK, EVEN THE WESTERN TOWN CENTER THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE A TOWN CENTER AND HAD ITS I CHALLENGES OVER THE YEARS IN FITS AND SPURTS.
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IS THERE A TEMPLATE TO SAY SOMETHING OF THIS ILK WILL FIT WITHIN PARKLAND. THIS IS NOT AN AREA THAT IS BLIGHTED. NOT AN AREA URBAN SPRAWL THAT IS CREATING SOMETHING THAT WILL PULL PEOPLE AROUND IT.NOT AN AREA THAT WILL BE A DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS AN AREA BACKING UP AND ADJACENT TO A HIGH-END RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND I GET IT IF THE LAND AROUND IT WAS DEPRESSED AND WE TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING AND HAVE PEOPLE INFLUX, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
TO ME ARE THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS.
I HAVE YET TO SEE SORT OF MODEL THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO SAY, BOY, THAT IN PARKLAND SHAPED THAT WAY.
MAYBE SOME TWEAKS WOULD WORK GREAT.
BECAUSE ONE OF MY IS -- OBVIOUSLY IT SHALL GREEN SPACE WAS AN ISSUE. PRESERVATION OF THE CHARACTER WAS AN ISSUE OF KEEPING A COPE OF IT AT A SIZE THAT IS COMMENSURATE TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IN SATISFYING THEIR APPETITE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO OUT FOR DINNER, GET ICE CREAM BUT NOT A DRAW FOR THE TRI-COUNTY AND SOUTH FLORIDA AREA. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN PARKLAND WANTS THAT. HAVING THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS SELF EXAMPLE WHERE IS YOU ARE NOT GOING THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE ON -- ON DAY ONE, YOUR TENANT OCCUPANCY LEVELS ARE HIGH. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DIP AND SACRIFICE THE QUALITY OF THE TENANTS THAT COME IN THERE.
THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAVE. AND SO I THINK PART OF THE VISIONING PROCESS BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THIS FIELD, BUT I KNOW I THINK OF PARKLAND LOOKING LIKE AND WHAT I THINK PARKLAND SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE. AND IS THERE SOME EXAMPLES OR BITS AND PIECE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT I THINK WOULD BE -- WOULD BE COMMENSURATE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE HERE.
THE -- THE OTHER -- THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS TRYING TO -- I AGREE 1,000%. PULLING 9 RESIDENTS IN.
AND I THINK IT IS THE VICE-MAYOR THAT VERY CANDIDLY SAID AT THE MEETING WHEN. VOTING ON GOING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT AND YET TO GET THERE IN TERMS OF CLOSING.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO REMAIN OPEN SPACE.
NOT GOING TO REMAIN COMPLETELY GREEN SPACE.
SOMETHING WILL GO THERE. AND WE WANT THE RESIDENTS' SUPPORT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY SUCCEED IF THEY HAVE THAT SUPPORT GOING INTO IT. IN CULTIVATING IT.
CURATING IT AND GETTING BUY IN. CAN'T BE FIT APPEAR SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE AND GET THE RESIDENTS TO ATOP THE IT AND BUY IN. I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP.
THESE WORKSHOPS I THINK WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US AND GET THE RESIDENTS ENGAGED TO GET INVOLVED WITH.
THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. TRYING TO BALANCE -- WE PROVIDED OURSELF OF BEING A SMALL TOWN FEEL, HAVING A COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT SITE BEHIND IT IS POTENTIALLY A MEMORIAL FOR THE STONEMAN DOUGLAS TRAGEDY. SO FITTING FIT WHAT GOES THERE AND WHO WE ARE AND NOT LOSING THAT CULTURE IS ONE MY BIGGEST CONCERNS. UP KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING REVENUE FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE AT
RISK OF LOSING OUR IDENTITY. >> IF I CAN COMMENT TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BRIER WAS SAYING BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES OF MAKING IT MORE OF A PUBLIC REALM AND TRUE TOWN CENTER. THE DESTINATION WILL BE FROM OUR RESIDENTS. OUR RESIDENTS WILL MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL. HAVING THIS PUBLIC REALM AND HAVING SOME SORT OF ACTIVITIES THERE ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO TAKE A STRONGER HOLD OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THIS PROJECT ENDS UPPING. AND THEN IT DETERS.
NOT NECESSARILY DETERS OUTSIDE BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
BECAUSE GOING TO BE HAVING FARMER'S MARKET AND WHATEVER WE HAVE. AND IT WILL BE OUR PROGRAMS THAT ENTICE OUR RESIDENTS TO COME HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DESTINATION FROM US. DESTINATION OF THOSE WHO LIVED IN PARKLAND CABLE PASS AND THOSE WHO LIVE IN MIRALAGO.
AS FAR AS OUR IDENTITY, WE CAN DESIGN ARCHITECTURE AND AT THE SIGN THE LAYOUT IN WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WANT BECAUSE IT IS A BLANK SLATE. AND BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BUY IT. IT IS OUR BLANK SLATE.
WE ARE ABLE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TOTO DO WHH I AGREE TO 100% AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE OUTCOME OF IT.
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COMMISSIONER MAYERSON. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU MENTIONED INTEGRATION BETWEEN TWO COMMUNITIES AND TWO MUNICIPALITIES.
>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: EXPLAIN TO ME HOW -- AT A HIGH LEVEL.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE THE ONE PIECE IS CLEARLY CONTIGUOUS WITH PARKLAND, THE THREE OR FOUR ACRES WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THE OTHER PIECE IS KIND OF SEPARATE AND EASIER TO DEAL WITH THEN THE ONE THAT IS MORE CONTIGUOUS. FROM A HIGH LEVEL, HOW IS THAT?
>> I CAN TELL YOU IT REQUIRES A LOT OF COORDINATION.
AND I SEE IT AS THREE TIERS, RIGHT.
YOU ALL MAKE SHOWERING SURE THAT THE TWO COMMISSIONS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE BE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
ON THE MANAGER LEVEL, DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING. AND THE PLANNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR, RIGHT. BECAUSE WE MAY DO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON ONE SIDE OF THE LINE AND THEY MAY NOT.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WILL BE ONE SITE.
AND ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE SET SO NEED THE CONVERSATION IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS A HOLISTIC POLICY MAKE SURE THE PIECE ACE LINE AND TAKES COORDINATION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IT IS AN EXTRA STEP, AND DEFINITELY DOABLE AS LONG AS THE VISION AS LONG AS THE CITIES HAVE A COMMON VISION WHAT HAD THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS.
THEREIN LIES THE DETAILS. >> YEAH, RIGHT.
>>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: I GUESS MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT IS -- AND MORE CONCERNED OF THE SMALLER PORTION THAN THE LARGER PORTION. HAS -- AND, AGAIN, I WILL TURN TO NANCY ON THIS. HAS ANYTHING BEEN DISCUSSED OF ANNEXING THAT PROPERTY TO THE CITY OF PARKLAND? THOSE THREE ACRES AND WHATEVER MAY BE.
>> NO, THERE HAS BEEN NO DISCUSSION.
BY -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS EVEN A TOPIC THAT -- TO BE CONSIDERED. IF YOU DIRECT ME AND ASK ME TO DO THAT, I CAN DO THAT. BUT --
>>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: WELL, I THINK THAT SEASON INTEGRAL PART IF WE WANT TO CONTROL THAT AREA, OTHERWISE, YOU WILL HAVE A DESIGN THAT OF WHAT IMPLEMENTS REVENUE FOR CORAL SPRINGS, FOR PARKLAND, WHAT THE STREETS LOOK LIKE WHAT THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE MASTER PLAN IS. IN DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, MAYBE AN EXCHANGE TO GIVE YOU THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT COST.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE. >> LOOK, WE HAVE TO DESIGN -- TO JIM'S POINT AN ENTIRE PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATING IT AND WORKING WITH CORAL SPRINGS, BUT MEETING THEIR NEEDS.
IF IT IS ENTIRE PROJECT THAT WORKS FOR BOTH CITIES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, CORAL SPRINGS, THEIR COMMISSION HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THEY ARE WILLING TO DISCUSS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO OWN IT.
SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEPOSIT SIGN IT.
OBVIOUSLY TAKING THEIR WANTS AND DESIRES IN MIND AND TRYING TO TAILOR THAT PARTICULAR PORTION TO WHAT IT IS, BUT KEEP IT ONE PROJECT. .BENEFITS BOTH CITIES ONE C CONTIGUOUS PROSPECTS BOBSLEIGH POSSIBLE THAT IS WITHOUT QUESTION. A STREAM THAT THEY HAVE ONE THEORY AND WE HAVE ANOTHERER INRY AND WE ARE MAKING A COMPROMISE BECAUSE THE LAND IS SHARED.
>> BOB, I KNOW IT IS EARLY ON BUT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS, WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WHEN I SAY "WE" I MEAN THE CITY AND ADMINISTRATION TO OUR CITY.
SO OUR CONCEPT AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALK BEING IS EXACTLY WHAT
THEY ALSO WANT. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: I WILL STILL LOOK TO CONSIDER THE ANNEXATION OF THREE ACRES.
>> IT IS EIGHT ACRES. >> WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF
ANNEXATION. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE
IT, I BELIEVE. >> A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN TRADITIONAL ANNEXATION FROM UNINCORPORATED BROWARD.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO PETITION IT.
>> WE MENTION IT TO FRANK. THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DOING. LOOK, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GIVE UP LAND THAT WILL GENERATE REVENUE.
>>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: ALL DEPENDS.
DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS NOT ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.
>>MAYOR WALKER: MAYBE TO MENTION IT TO FRANK.
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>> I CAN ASK STRAIGHT OUT AND REPORT BACK WITH AN ANSWER.
>>MAYOR WALKER: YES. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: LOOK, IT COMES BACK TO WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO ANNEX OR HAVE THAT PORTION ANNEXED IN. THEY MAY SAY FOR A FIGURE OR
WHATEVER IT MAY BE. >> THIS IS A PER FECT EXAMPLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION. >> FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
>> -- BIND PROCESS. >> FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AT LEAST WE ARE THE CITY WHO OWNS IT BECAUSE CORAL SPRINGS IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE FORGIVING IN THEIR CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND, I WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ON THE CORAL SPRINGS SIDE BECAUSE NOW THEY WILL HAVE TO COME US TO AND ASK US FOR MORE THAN WE WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE.
AT LEAST WE ARE GOING THE OTHER WAY, WHERE WE DON'T WANT AS MUCH SO, YOU KNOW, IF ANY CONVERSATION IS GOING TO HAVE CORAL SPRINGS. IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE.
WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
BUT, AGAIN, AT US OWNING IT GIVES US THE LATITUDE TO SAY, LOOK, MAYBE WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OR WHATEVER.
THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT NANCY CAN HAVE WITH FRANK.
BUT WE ARE OBVIOUSLY OWNING IT. WE ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
BUT BEING THE CITY WHO IS LOOKING TO CURTAIL SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL AND TRAFFIC. WE ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS.DEVELOPMENT.
NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, MONITORING TRAFFIC, TRASH PICKUP, ALL THE
OTHER STUFF. >>MAYOR WALKER: THAT WILL BE ALL
DONE BY THE DEVELOPER. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: IT IS NOT. YOU STILL HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND HALF OF IT OR A PORTION OF IT IS IN CORAL SPRINGS AND THE OTHER HALF IN PARKLAND, YOU WILL HAVE TWO PEOPLE COMING IN POSSIBLY TO PICK UP TRASH.
YOU WILL HAVE TWO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT WILL HAVE TO MONITOR IT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE OTHER THINGS 245E -- TRAFFIC ISSUES ONCE GENERATED.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED DOWN THE ROAD SO BETTER OFF STARTING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT ANNEXATION INTO PARKLAND MAY RELIEVE A LOT OF HEADACHES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW -- >>I TALKED TO THE PLANNING STAFF. AND THEY ARE -- I THINK THEY ARE -- I THINK THEY ARE POSITIVE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS, AGAIN -- AND THIS IS WAY TOWN THE ROAD.
IF THE SITE PLAN COMES AND THE COMMERCIAL -- ALL THE COMMERCIAL ON ONE SIDE AND THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK AND HOW DOES THAT -- HOW DOES IT ALL INTEGRATE SO IT IS KIND OF A SPACE, A SHARED SPACE FOR EVERYONE AND THEN YOU WORK OUT THE OTHER ISSUES.
BUT IT IS -- IT IS NOT UNCOMMON AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UP GREW UP IN NEW ENGLAND AND HOUSES WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS DOWN THE MIDDLE 69 HOUSE AND YOU GET -- YOU PAY YOUR WATER BILL HALF TO ONE CITY, HALF TO THE OTHER.
BUT TO THAT LEVEL YOU DO A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AND KIND OF
DETERMINE HOW THAT GETS DONE. >>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: THE --
>>MAYOR WALKER: THE OTHER THING LIKE COMMISSIONER BRIER MENTIONED WHAT TYPE OF LOOKS AND FEELS AND WHATEVER.
I GO BACK TO LOOKING AT ABACOA UP IN JUPITER AS TO MAYBE A MODEL IN THE SENSE THERE IS THAT TOWN CENTER AREA, YOU KNOW MIXED USE. THEY DO HAVE KIND OF A CENTER AREA, CALL IT A CONCERT AREA, GREEN SPACE, WHATEVER THEY DO, EXCLUSIVE OF THE BASEBALL -- THE BASEBALL, YOU KNOW, MINOR LEAGUE GROUP IN THERE. BUT THEY DO HAVE -- LIKE I SAID OFF OF THAT, TOWN HOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
IT ALL INTEGRATES IN THAT COMMUNITY.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HOTEL AND THEY HAVE A POST OFFICE AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST AS A MODEL TO LOOK AT.
THE OTHER PORTION MODEL IS AVE MARIA OUT IN, I WILL CALL IT NAPLES. THAT IS ANOTHER -- I MEAN, THAT IS A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AT THIS POINT, BUT THEIR TOWN CENTER INTEGRATES WITHIN THEIR -- I THINK THEY JUST PUT A PUBLIX IN THERE. AND THIS KIND OF INTEGRATES IN SOME COUNTY MORE MIXED USE, SMALLER, I WILL CULL IT HOMEY TYPE OF RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS WHICH MAY WORK AS -- AS WELL IN THOSE TYPE OF MODELS WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT.
>> JUST TO ADD, I THINK THAT IS PART -- PART OF THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IS TO REALLY GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE, RIGHT. IDENTIFY THAT.
I THINK THE OTHER BIG THING -- AND I THINK WHERE OTHER PLACES KIND OF MISS THE MARK IS IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND MAKING THOSE GUIDELINES UNIQUE TO PARKLAND.
I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS LEADING THE -- YOU
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KNOW THE CHARGE, THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT -- OH, WE HAVE DONE THIS HERE AND CULT THIS AND TAKE THIS OUT AND DROP IT THERE.AND THAT JUST DOESN'T -- IT NEVER WORKS AND NEVER WORKS PROPERLY. BUT THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND ALSO WHAT THE -- WHAT THE NEED IS AND THE DESIRE IS, RIGHTS. THE OTHER THING WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IF WE PUT IT INTO PLACE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL WHAT TYPE OF USES YOU WANT.
ONES YOU MAY NOT WANT BASED ON KIND OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN. YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM.
AND DO THAT -- WITHIN REASON, OF COURSE, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE PROCESSES THAT WE NEED TO DO.
YOU CAN CATER THAT TO DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT AND WORKS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE.
SINGLE-FAMILY. NOTHING THERE KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IT -- SOUND DOES TRAVEL.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER YOU HAVE THERE IS PROPERLY SCREENED AND LANDSCAPED AND ALL THOSE IMPORTANT THINGS.
>> ALSO -- THE O'ER PART. ALSO THAT -- THAT FINANCIAL BALANCE AS WELL. YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT COSTS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. SOMEBODY WANTS TO LEASE IT OUT.
YOU GOT TO GENERATE Y COSTS. IF THE TENANT IS NOT ABLE TO GENERATE ENOUGH TO PAY THE RENT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE --
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A VACANT PROPERTY.
>>COMMISSIONER MAYERSOHN: THAT IS THE OTHER PART OF THE
>> I THINK WE ARE TOUCHING ON IT IN SOME OF BOB'S COMMENTS GET AT IT, THE OTHER DISTINCTION THAT WE ALL HAVE TO BE -- ACKNOWLEDGE IS THAT WE ARE RECEIPTS THROW FITTING THIS PROPERTY.
AVE MARIA AND ABACOA DESIGN WITH A MASTER PLAN BELT AROUND A TOWN CENTER. MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT THE HOMES THERE, IT WAS BUYING INTO THAT CONCEPT.
HERE WE ARE TAKING LAND PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO THE PROCESS OF A GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY ONS A COMMUNITY BACKING UP TO A GOLF COURSE AND SHOEHORNING IN THIS PROJECT.
SO I THINK THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, BOTH FROM A -- FROM A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DIDN'T OF BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE REST DENTS THERE WHO ALL OF A SUDDEN WILL NOW HAVE THIS IN THEIR BACK YARD WHEN THAT WASN'T THE VISION 15 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER.
SO SING THAT -- THOSE ARE THE THINGS I AM CONCERNED.
OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU WILL BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> BUT THIS PRYING TO PLAN AFTER THE FACT FOR WHAT GOES IN THAT PROPERTY WHEN THEY BOUGHT A GOLF
COURSE COMMUNITY. >> YEAH, REDEVELOPMENT -- I SAY REDEVELOPMENTS IS FOUR TIMES HARDSER THAN TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING IN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WANT.
BUT YOU ARE BRINGING IN A NEW CONCEPT OR IDEA.
>> LIKE WHEN WE BROUGHT IN THE WEDGE.
>> ALL THAT COMES IN AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THESE THINGS.
>> WE DIDN'T DESIGN THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL THE WEDGE. WE BROUGHT IT IN.
IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. WE HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY HERE. OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY, BUT I THINK WE ARE CERTAINLY STARTING OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT. WE ARE TAKING OUR TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING STEPS. WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A PLAN.
SO I AM ENCOURAGED BY -- YOU KNOW, BY WHAT I HAVE SEEN TODAY AS FAR AS MAKING SURE WE ARE FOCUSED AND WE ARE TAKING THE STEPS, YOU KNOW, NECESSARY TO GET TO THE END GAME.
>> I THINK THAT IS THE PRESERVATION OF YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY IS TOP PRIORITY, RIGHT.
AND JOHN AND I DID A PROJECT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WE STARTED AND ENDED ANY PRESENTATION THAT WE DID, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE SINGLE-FAMILY.
WE DON'T WANT TO IMPACT THE SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE. YOU WANT TO RAISE THE VALUE AND
NOT REDUCE THE VALUE. >> 100%.
THAT IS ALWAYS OUR INTENTION OF MAKING THIS MOVE IS TO MAKE PARKLAND BETTER. AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT MIND SET, YOU KNOW, I -- I THINK WE ARE -- WE ARE IN STAFF GOOD PLACE. NANCY, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE -- WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE CLOSE ON TIME.
A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT -- UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAVE
ANYTHING TO SAY. >> I HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE ARE SORT OF VISIONING THIS, SOME PARCELS ON THE SOUTHERN ENDS, THE HOTEL, THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT I DON'T VIEW -- I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA AND I WILL REFER TO YOU ALL. I DON'T VIEW A NONSUCCESSFUL PROJECT AS PIECES IN IF THE EQUATION.
THEY ARE THERE. THEY ARE ON THE GOLF COURSE.
KEEP THAT IN MINDS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT, BUT I THINK IF YOU BROUGHT THOSE PIECES INTO THIS DESIGN AND PLAN AND ELEVATED THOSE, IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN.
BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU DO IT WITHOUT THEM.
>> ALWAYS MY INTENTION -- AGAIN, PART OF WANTING TO OWN THIS AND DESIGN IT OURSELVES WAS TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
THE MARRIOTT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF HELP AND SOMETHING WE HAVE AN
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OPPORTUNITY TO DO. WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT IN PARKLAND, BUT WE WORK TOGETHER WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN PARKLAND OR CORAL SPRINGS TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE EVERYONE MORE SUCCESSFUL.>> ALSO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL TOO.
THAT AREA IS VERY CLOSE OVER THERE.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT. >>MAYOR WALKER: IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING, NANCY ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE AT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, TEN
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