Oct 13, 2022 Planning and Zoning

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>> WELCOME TO THE PARKLAND ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD MEETING. TODAY IS OCTOBER 13. IT IS 6 PM. WHAT EVERYBODY LEAVES RICE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE.

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>> THANK YOU IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 11 2022 FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.

>> AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY ITEMS OR ISSUES NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYBODY MAILING OR

EMAIL ANYTHING? >> NO COMMENTS.

>> SEEING NONE OF THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR ONLY TO WELCOME EVERYONE. THANK YOU. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[8.A. Ordinance 2022-014: Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Consideration of an Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, amending the City of Parkland Land Development code by amending Section 5-3530 "Terms Defined" to provide for definitions related to Electric Vehicles; amending Section 90-510, "Off-Street Parking Requirements" and Section 90-530, "Amount of Off-Street Parking" and creating Section 90-591 "Electric Vehicle Parking Spaces and Charging Area Design Standards" to provide for Electric Vehicle Off-Street Parking regulations and requirements; providing for implementation, conflicts, severability and an effective date]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> WOW, THAT WAS QUICK.

[LAUGHTER]. >> USE THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

>> HI, GOOD EVENING. JUST FOR THE RECORDED RECORD I'M GAIL ? THE PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER FOR THE CITY. TONIGHT, WE ARE MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. I'M HOPING THAT THE CITY IS READY TO ADOPT REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. IF YOU LOOK BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, PROBABLY VERY FEW IF ANY OF THE CITIES HAD ANY REGULATIONS REQUIRING THIS. AS TIME GOES BY MORE AND MORE CITIES ARE JUMPING ON AND MAKING THIS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR CODE. A FEW ARE STILL JUST ENCOURAGING THAT. THEY ARE PROVIDING LINKAGE OF THE CODE AND MANY ARE ALSO REQUIRING IT. ALSO, SOME CITIES ARE BEING A LITTLE FORWARD THINKING AND ALSO REQUIRING INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.

SO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH 4 DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE TO GO DEFINE WHAT IS AN ELECTRICVEHICLE. A COUPLE OTHER TERMS THAT WE WILL BE REFERRING IN THE ORDINANCE.

TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT REQUIRED? BASICALLY UNDER SECTION 9510. HOW MUCH IS REQUIRED UNDER SECTION 9530 AND THEN WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE STATIONS AND THE SIGNINGS AND MARKING OF THE VEHICLE PARKING STATIONS AND PATE SYSTEMS WOULD BE ADDRESSED UNDER A NEW CODE SECTION WHICH IS 9591. MOVING PONTO THE FIRST SECTION. TERMS DEFINED. I'VE SUMMARIZED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. JUST SO YOU KNOW REMEMBER ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE CODE BUT, IS NOT STRICKEN THROUGH OR UNDERLINED EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE CODE.

IF IT STRICKEN THROUGH IT IS TO BE DELETED. IF IT'S UNDERLINED ITS ADDITIONS TO THE CODE. IN A COUPLE SECTIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE JUST FOR PURPOSES OF ORGANIZATION, SOME SECTIONS WILL LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN DELETED BUT YOU WILL SEE THEM UNDERLINED IN ANOTHER LOCATION. IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE MOVED TO BE MORE LOGICAL IN THE SEQUENCE OF THE READING OF THE

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THEY TO BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND ANY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES. IF THERE INSTALLED ON SURFACE PARKING LOTS, THEY HAVE TO BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW WITH WALLS OR LANDSCAPING. IF THERE INSTALLED PARKING GARAGES THEY HAVE TO BE INSIDE A SAFETY SCREEN AROUND THE EQUIPMENT THERE HAS TO BE SECURITY SO IT CAN'T BE ACCESS. UNDER AGE THAT SETS A STANDARD AT THE HEIGHT OF THE CABINETS AT 7 FEET FOR SWITCH GEARS AND 5 FEET FOR OTHERS THEN POST FOR THE CHARGING STATION 6 FEET IN HEIGHT. ALL COMPONENTS WITH THE CHARGING STATION HAVE TO MEET BUILDING QUOTE HAVE TO BE ABOVE THE MINIMUM FLOOD ELEVATIONS AND BE MAINTAINED IN GOOD APPEARANCE, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR. THAT WAS INITIALLY THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES RECENTLY IN PEOPLE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF EV STATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED.

IT'S KIND OF DIAPERS ACROSS THE BOARD. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WE REVIEWED CODES FROM MANY CITIES, AVENTURA, BOCA, MIRAMAR, TAMARACK, PLANTATION MIAMI. WE ARE RECENTLY DEPARTMENTS GOT INVOLVED WITH A CLEAN CITY COALITION FOR THE SOUTH REGION PLANNING COUNSEL WHOSE FOCUS IS ON EV INFRASTRUCTURE AND CHARGING STATIONS NOT ONLY FOR THE CONSUMER BUT ALSO FOR GOVERNMENT USES FOR OURSELVES.

THE ORDINANCE WAS REVIEWED BY THEM. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE BOARD YOU DON'T THERE'S A RANGE OF WHEN CITIES ARE REQUIRING THE EV STANDARDS TO BE MET. YOU WILL SEE IT AS AGGRESSIVE AS CORAL GABLES IF YOU HAVE 10 SPACES REQUIRED KICKS IN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EV. SOME ARE AT 20. SOME ARE AT 50. OUR PROPOSAL WAS AT 50. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE, THE WALL AT THE CORNER OF LOX ROAD AND 441 HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR 52 PARKING SPACES. THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE FOR EP CHARGING WOULD BE REQUIRED IS A FACILITY OF THAT SIZE OR LARGER. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY SPACES ARE REQUIRED, YOU WILL SEE 2 PERCENT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS MANY OF THE CITIES. SOME WERE AT 3 OR 5 PERCENT IN THE PAST. YOU WILL SEE CORAL GABLES RECENTLY MADE A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM 5 PERCENT REQUIRED UP TO 20 PERCENT REQUIRED. OF THE OVERALL PARKING COUNT. AN ADDITIONAL 15 PERCENT INFRASTRUCTURE READY SPACES.

THAT MEANS 35 PERCENT OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WOULD EITHER HAVE EV CHARGING STATIONS OR BEV READY FOR INSTALLATION. YOU CAN SEE CORAL GABLES IS VERY AGGRESSIVE. WE REACHED OUT AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TESLA WHO'S INTERESTED IN PUTTING FACILITIES IN THE CITY.

I ASKED THEM, WHAT RIGS DO YOU LIKE THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES OR YOU FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE YOU AS A STAKEHOLDER? WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR EXACT DBACK IN A TABLE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. BASICALLY TESLA FEELS IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 25 SPACES THAT T IT'S 2 SMALL OF A FACILITY TO CONSIDER EV CHARGING STATIONS AT THAT SITE. FEEDBACK FROM THE CLEAN CITY COALITION. THEY LIKE THE ORDINANCE GENERALLY OVERALL.

THEY THOUGHT OUR PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENT WAS TO LOW. THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THEM WAS BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY WHEN THEY SEE A HIGHER AVERAGE INCOME THEY SEE A MORE USE OF EV VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE AFFORDABLE TO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC. SEE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES IN CERTAIN CITIES. THEY RECOMMENDED FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND A 10 PERCENT REQUIREMENT. WHICH WE ASKED STAFF FELT WAS SORT OF HIGH.

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51 ? 200 WOULD BE TO. 201 ? 500 WOULD BE FOR. OVER 500 WOULD BE 6. THOSE ARE TESLA'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON A RANGE.

LOOKING AT TAFF WHEN WE HAVE A STRAIGHT PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPACES MAY BE A TABLE MIGHT WORK BETTER AND WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT 1 TO 150 WOULD VE 2 SPACES. 150 ? 350, 4. 350 ? 500, 5 AND MORE THAN 506. FOR OUR ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW THIS NUMBER WILL ACTUALLY BE DOUBLED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO STATIONS PLUS OUR 2 OR 5 OR 6+ THE SAME NUMBER OF STATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE READY. SO, IF YOU HAD PARKING LOT WITH SAY, 100 SPACES YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO PUT INTO CHARGING ATIONS BUT ALSO PLAN FOR EXPANSION OF 2 ADDITIONAL STATIONS WITH THAT INITIAL INSTALLATION. SO, BASICALLY THAT'S THE ORDINANCE IN A ROW.

WOULD LIKE YOUR INPUT ON WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER YOU FEEL A TABLE FORMAT SIMILAR TO THE TESLA OR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS BEST. THERE IS ONE OTHER TOPIC THAT KIND OF CAME UP ALONG THE WAY. WHETHER WE SHOULD LIMIT BRANDING AS FAR AS, FOR EXAMPLE WITH ONE OF OUR INQUIRIES. THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE 15TH STATIONS, THEY WOULD ALL BE LIMITED TO ONE BRAND OF VEHICLE. THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR SPACES, DO YOU WANT TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR 2 OR MORE VENDORS? SO THAT ONE PERSON COULDN'T BASICALLY MONOPOLIZE ALL THE EV STATIONS IN THE CITY. THE DOWNSIDE IS I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN PAST EXPERIENCE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TESLA PROVIDING 6 OR 8 FACILITIES HERE IN A LARGER SHOPPING CENTER. THEY DON'T SHARE WITH BLINK. BLINK WAS TO COME OVER HERE AND TO THEIR 8. AND THEN ELECTRIFY AMERICA MAY WANT TO DO THEIRS. DO WE WANT TO LIMIT SO SOMEONE COULDN'T TAKE ALL THE AVAILABLE SPACES AND BASICALLY BLOCK ANYONE ELSE

FROM COMING IN. >> I'M GOOD TO PUT ON THE RECORD WE WERE HANDED A A 4-PAGE UNTABLE.

>> I HAVE BILLED TRACY, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HERE TONIGHT.

. HE IS BETTER VERSED IN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS OF THE EV CHARGING STATION. N. IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONSS IN THAT REGARD HE IS HERE TO SUPPORT THIS. THIS.

[INAUDIBLE][INAUDIBLE] >> DON'T WANT TO BE CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT BLOCKS THE STANDARDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE FOR MOST OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING

STATIONS RIGHT NOW. >> WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IT WILL FIT EVERYONE. THERE'S A LOT OF NEW COMPANIES POPPING UP ANOTHER THAT ARE PROVIDING THESE FACILITIES.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> TESLA. RIGHT.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YES, THESE STANDARDS ARE TYPICAL THROUGHOUT MULTIPLE ORDINANCES IN THE AREA.

THEY'VE ALSO BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CLEAN CITY COALITION THAT'S SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YES.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH, A LOT OF THE

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PROPERTIES. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> EXACTLY. IT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR EXAMPLE, USUALLY WIND UP CONVERTING STANDARD PARKING SPACES TO THE EV CHARGING STATIONS. IN THE MEDIANS OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA BETWEEN THE HEAD TO HEAD PARKING IS WITH THE CABINETS USUALLY END UP. THOSE CABINETS INTERIOR TO THE SITE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SCREENING AROUND ALL OF THAT EXTERIOR EQUIPMENT. THE CHARGING STATIONS WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT ARE IN THE PLAZA FOR EXAMPLE. SO THE SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT OCCURS ON THE SITE FROM THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE WE WANT TO BLOCK ALL VIEW OF ANY EQUIPMENT AND CHARGING STATIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL USES. THAT WOULD BE SHRUBS, WALLS, FENCES

AND LANDSCAPE MATERIALS. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> YES. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> FOR 26 ? 50 I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE CURRENT. A

[INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. LIMIT MAKE SURE I PUT THAT. ONE ? 50.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] THEN OVER 50 WOULD BE 5 ERCENT. 5 PERCENTEV

10 PERCENT READY. OKAY. AY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS ORDINANCE. TO START OFF I AM A TESLA DRIVER. I AM DEFINITELY A CHARGER. FOR ME, THINKING ABOUT HOW I USE MY VEHICLE AND OTHER TESLA CHARGER VEHICLES AND UNDERSTANDING PARKLAND AND HOW THE CITY OPERATES LOOKING AT THAT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I TYPICALLY SEE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PERSON GOING TO ONE OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS AT A CITY FACILITY TO CHARGE. IF I'M ON A TRIP FROM BENNETT'S POPULAR CHARGING STATION. I COME TO THIS BOARD MEETING AND THERE'S A CHARGING STATION PARKING LOT. I'VE NEVER ONCE TITTERED USING IT. I HAVE A CHARGING STATION AT MY HOUSE. MY VEHICLE WILL BE CHARGED 100 PERCENT EVERY SINGLE NIGHT IF I PLUG IT IN AND I PLUG IN MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. THE IDEA OF NEEDING CHARGING STATIONS TO ME IS MORE FOR LONGER TRIPS, LONGER JOURNEYS THE WHOLE IDEA OF THESE VEHICLES IS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS I NEVER NEED TO CHARGE. I COULD DRIVE ALL OVER THE TRI-COUNTY AND NEVER NEED TO STOP AND CHARGE. I THINK REQUIRING THEM ON THESE FACILITIES A BURDEN TO SOME EXTENT. IT'S MORE, LOOK, IF WALMART WANTS TO INSTALL OR DEVELOPER WANTS TO INSTALL THESE AS A PERK, GO FOR IT. YEAH. I LOVE THAT IDEA APPEARED WHEN WE ARE SAYING WE PARE GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO PUT I ONE, 20, 30 HOWEVER MANY OF THESE BASES AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE COULD BE USED OR OPERATIONAL OR TAKING SPACES OR MAINTENANCE AND THERE'S A LOT OF COST TO THEM. WE TALK ABOUT A RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS CLEAN ENERGY. THERE COULD BE A WHOLE BUNCH MANY SPENT IN THE CITY AND THEIR BROKEN MOST OF THE TIME. WHERE THESE COULD BE PUT OUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. AVENUE PART COMING ALONG. A COUPLE OF THE PARK AND MAYBE ADD A FEW SHOPPING CENTER. REGARDLESS OF THE CODE THOSE ARE TO BE PUT IN. THOSE USERS ARE GOING TO WANT THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF ARE GONNA NEED TO REQUIRE THEM. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY BOTH ARE ALL THESE PERCENTAGES. MAYBE IF YOU GET INTO A HIGHER

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PEOPLE AREN'T COMING HERETO CHARGE THE VEHICLE. IT WOULD BE PERK TO GO TO A SOCCER GAME TO BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF JUICE. YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER CITIES, MAYBE THEY'RE REQUIRING BECAUSE HER MORE CORAL GABLES MORE AVENTURA MORE OF A TOURIST DESTINATION. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. I WOULD NEVER LOOK FOR A LEVEL I OR LEVEL II CHARGING STATION EITHER. THEY ARE TO SLOW. THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THE DRIVER OTHER THAN OH, IT WAS FREE FOR ME TO DRIVE TO TERM OUR PARK. WHAT IS FREIGHT? I ADAPTERS AND THE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE. IT TURNS MORE INTO A NOT NECESSARILY BIG OF A PERK YOU WOULD THINK. AGAIN, IF THERE IS A MOMENT THAT IS THERE, TARGET PUT THE MAN OVER THERE.

WOULD CORAL SPRINGS REQUIRE THEM TO PUT THEM IN OR DID THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED THEM TO PUT A BED?

>> CORAL SPRINGS IS ONE OF THE CITIES BE CONTACTED. THEY HANDLED THEM AS FAR AS WE KNOW AS A SITE PLAN MODIFICATION.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC STANDARDS REQUIRING EV CHARGING. SO THEY BOTH VOLUNTEERED. IN THEIR FULL.

>> IT'S BROUGHT ON BY THEIR CUSTARD DEMAND. THE SHOE SHOPPING CENTER IN THE CITY IT WILL BE BROUGHT ON BY THE CUSTOMER. IF TESLA NEEDS A CHARGING STATION OR BLANK OR WHOEVER IT IS. TO ME, I LOVE THE ORDINANCE IN GENERAL. I THINK WE NEED IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF LED SIGNS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SOME SORT OF STANDARD AND THE PARKING SPACES ARE STRIPED PROPERLY. THEY ARE MAINTAINED PROPERLY AND THERE IS SOME ORDINANCE. I WOULD LEAN AWAY FROM THE REQUIREMENT IN OUR CITY. WERE NOT A TOURIST DESTINATION. WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. I DON'T SEE A REAL NEED FOR THEM. IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING, I WOULD KEEP IT ON THE LOWER END. AND REALLY SAY, MOST OF THE USERS IN THE CITY HAVE A CHARGER AT THEIR HOUSE. I'VE BEEN TO MOST OF THE HOUSES. THEY HAVE THEM AT

THEIR HOUSE. >> ARE YOU MOOCHING OFF OF

EVERYBODY? >> I SEE THEM ALL AROUND. I JUST WOULDN'T. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY

NEEDED. >> ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT. WHEN THE CLEAN CITY COALITION CAME BACK WITH A 10 PERCENT RECOMMENDATION ON THEIR PART.

WE KIND OF WENT, YOU START LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND IT SEEMS LIKE WAY TO MUCH. WE WOULD NOT GET THE USE OR SUPPORT FOR IT. AND, THE REASON IS BECAUSE OTHER THAN FOR 41 AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE COMMERCIAL NEAR THE SAWGRASS YET. IT'S NOT REALLY HIGH DEMAND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSING THROUGH. OUR RESIDENTS MAY NOT BE THE PRIMARY USERS.

MAYBE THE COMMUTERS. BUT, SURPRISINGLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATIONS, GINA HAS BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON TARGET AND WALMART.

THERE FULL ALL THE TIME. >> YEAH.

>> THEREFORE MOST OF THE TIME EXCEPT THOSE ARE SELF REGULATED. THERE'S NO CODE REQUIRING THEM TO PUT THEM IN.

THOSE USERS WANTED THEM. IT WAS A DESIRE DESIRE FOR THEM TO BE THERE. TO REQUIREMENT AS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING IN OUR

CODE. >> IF YOU SEE SOME OF THE STUDIES IT IS ENCOURAGED. LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS IS ENCOURAGED RATHER THAN REQUIRED.

>> THAT IS MORE THAT I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS. BUILD OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS ON THE SCREENING. IT WAS WRITTEN A LITTLE FUNNY ABOUT 59 ONE, F ABOUT THE SCREENING FROM RIGHT AWAY. THINK OF WHERE THESE WOULD BE IF IT'S REQUIRED IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AT A CLUBHOUSE. THAT SEEMED LIKE IT COULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH. I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THAT. TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THESE CHARGING STATIONS WHEN THERE IS A BIG BANK OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS ON 441 AT A GAS STATION. WHAT TYPE OF SCREENING, IF IT'S A CLUBHOUSE. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A HARD THING IS A?AI PLANNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCREEN PROPERLY.

>> RIGHT. THE ONE INQUIRY WE DID HAVE WAS FOR THE WALMART LOCATION. THEY WERE PROPOSING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 TO 15 STATIONS. THEY WANTED THEM ON STATE ROAD 7 FRONTAGE FOR

VISIBILITY. >> THEY WANT TO BE SEEN.

>> YES. HOW THIS USUALLY WORKS THE OTHER SHOPPING CITY OWNERS

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>>.[INAUDIBLE] DOES ANYONE DRIVE AROUND IN THEIR ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND A WEIGHT LIMIT GO SEE IF THERE'S A CHARGING STATION BY LOOKING AT IT? ISN'T IT ALL ON APPLE? THEY

ARE FINDING THEM BECAUSE ?. >> TESLA WILL TELL YOU WHERE THE TESLA ONES ARE. THE WANTED TARGET, I KNOW IT'S THERE

BECAUSE I SAW IT. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> TESLA ONLY SUPPORTS TESLA AND MOST OF THE OTHERS ARE MORE

GENERIC. >> I HAVE 7 APPS FOR DIFFERENT CHARGING STATIONS ACROSS FLORIDA. IN ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT ADAPTERS. AGAIN IF YOU'RE DRIVING TO ORLANDO, THAT'S GREAT. AGAIN AS OF DRIVING AROUND THE CITY.

>> YOUR CHARGING AT HOME. >> ARE THE UNIVERSAL? I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER. THAT WAS WHY MY QUESTIONS.

>> THE TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ARE NOT. THE OTHER CHARGING STATIONS, THERE ARE ADAPTERS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FOR PRE-MUCH EVERY VEHICLE. BILL MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE BETTER. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> IN COMPARISON BETWEEN THE 2 PERCENT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WAS UNORIGINAL ORDINANCE VERSUS THE TABLE. THE TABLE REQUIRES LESS THAN THE 2 PERCENT. FOR EXAMPLE WHEN IT WAS OVER 500 SPACES ONLY 6 BASES OR REQUIRED THAT'S ABOUT 1.1 PERCENT. AS A NUMBER SCOTT LARGER WE DROP THE PERCENTAGES.

>> YOUR TABLE WAS BETTER EXCEPT THE 1 TO 150. MAYBE THAT'S A 50 OR 100 TO 150. THEN EVERYTHING ELSE, AS YOU GET THAT BID I'M ASSUMING IF YOU HAVE A CENTER OVER 150 STATE BASIS TO SUPPORT THAT IS GOING TO BE A LARGE DEMAND OF SOMETHING. IF IT'S A TARGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT THAT ANYWAYS. DO WE NEED TO REQUIRE THAT? I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED UNNOTICED REQUIRE THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING SOMETHING.

I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT ALEX IS MAKING.

HOW SUCCESSFUL IS AVENTURA BEEN WITH THEIR ENCOURAGED POLICY OF HAVING CHARGING STATIONS? DO YOU KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY

HAVE BEEN THERE? >> NO I DON'T.

>> OF CURIOUS TO SEE. I AGREE WITH ALEX. I DO NOT HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. I JUST DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND PARKLAND, YOU KNOW DRIVING AROUND WITH A LOW CHARGE AND NEEDING TO GET TO A CHARGING STATION. A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT AT THEIR HOME. THEY LEAVE HOME WITH A FULL CHARGE AND THEY GO TO THEIR BUSINESS. SO TO MANDATE AND CREATING A FINANCIAL SITUATION FOR BUSINESSES. HOW MUCH ARE THESE CHARGING STATIONS? DOES IT COST SOMEONE TO PUT ONE IN? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TENS OF THOUSANDS? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS? WHAT IS THE COST FACTOR RELATING TO THIS?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SITE LAYOUT AND ELECTRICAL UTILITY ROOM LOCATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALSO REMEMBER, THE LAND OWNERS ARE GENERALLY PROVIDING THESE.

THEY ARE LEASING THEIR PARKING LOTS OUT TO SAINT TESLA OR ELECTRIFY AMERICA WHO WAS THEN SIGNING A LAND LEASE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS COLLECTING THE MONTHLY RENT. .

IN THEIR BUILDING THE FACILITIES AT THEIR OWN

EXPENSE. >> SO IS NOT COSTING THE BUILDING OWNER TO PUT ONE OF THESE AT?

>> YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY?.> IN ALL CASES? IF THIS IS GOING TO MANDATE YOU HAVE 3 PARKING SPACES AT YOUR GAS STATION.

AND THEY CAN'T ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE OF THESE CHARGING STATION COMPANIES OR THESE CAR COMPANIES. THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT IT IN AND I'M ASKING WHAT DOES IT COST TO PUT A CHARGING STATION?

>> RIGHT. ONE OTHER COMMENT PREGARDING THAT IS YOU MAY HAVE SOME FACILITIES LIKE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING OR AN OUTPATIENT SURGICAL CENTER. WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE SITE OFF OF UNIVERSITY DEPENDING ON HOW IT EVOLVES THAT TYPE OF OWNER

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SO, BILL, CAN YOU PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT COST? IT

WILL BE REALLY VERY BRIGHT? >> GENERALLY EACH CHARGING POSITION, BILL TRACY ON THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND. THE TYPICAL PER SPACE INSTALL IS IN THE $10-$20,000 RANGE. IT'S REALLY WHO'S PLACING THE STATION THERE. THE TYPICALLY CHARGE ABOUT 50 PERCENT MORE THAN WHAT THEIR KILOWATT HOUR RATE IS FOR THE POWER. THEIR PAIN $0.14 A KILOWATT HOUR FOR POWER. THEY WILL TYPICALLY CHARGE THE END USER, $0.21 AN HOUR. THEY WILL BE MAKING SOMETHING BACK NUMBER ONE. NUMBER 2, MOST OF THE STATIONS WE WOULD HAVE IN OUR CITY WOULD THE LEVEL II WHICH WOULD BE IN THE HIGHER AMPERAGE LEVEL II. IT WOULD BE TYPICALLY A 3 HOUR FULL RECHARGE. THE DC FAST CHARGE THAT THEY HAVE ALONG THE TURNPIKE THOSE ARE HIGH VOLTAGE AND THEY CAN TO AN 80 TO 85 PERCENT CHARGE IN 20 MINUTES. THEY ARE LIMITED TO VERY LIMITED LOCATIONS YOU PUT THEM ON MAJOR ARTERIES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING. ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS FROM THE CORAL GABLES REQUIREMENT IS HAVING BEEN A CONTRACTOR DOWN HERE FOR MANY YEARS. CORE GABLES IS A FINANCIAL BUSINESS HUB FOR DADE COUNTY. A LOT OF EXECUTIVES DRIVE INTO CORAL GABLES FROM SAINT SOUTH ADE, KENDALL OR R EVEN AS FAR AS HOMESTEAD. THEY MAY BE TRAVELINGG 35 TO 40 MILES EACH WAY. IF THERE OFFICE PROVIDES A CHARGING STATION FOR THEIR CAR IS BASICALLY COST

THEM NOTHING. >> THAT WAS THE CONCERNS OF ALEX AND MYSELF. THAT WERE PROVIDING THESE STATIONS THAT MIGHT NOT BEAR USE BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR CITY. IF MOST RESIDENTS ARE CHARGING THEIR CARS AT THEIR HOME, WHY ARE WE GOING TO THE EXTENT OF GOING BEYOND ENCOURAGING BUSINESSES TO DO IT? THIS ELEMENT OF WELL, WE HAVE TO CHECK THE BOX THAT WERE ENVIRONMENTALLY PROUD. I GET THAT. ON THAT NOTE HOW MANY ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE IN THE CITY FLEET AT THS POINT WITH ALL THESE CARS AND TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE? HOW MANY ARE ELECTRIC AT THIS POINT?

>> WE HAVE HYBRIDS. >> WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE

ELECTRIC VEHICLES? >> WE HAVE A SMALL FLEET OF FUSIONS THAT ARE HYBRIDS. THEY RECHARGE THEIR BATTERIES AS YOU DRIVE THE CAR. THAT GIVES YOU, DRIVING AROUND TOWN IT INCREASES THE FUEL MILEAGE BY ABOUT 50 PERCENT. THE MAIN BENEFICIARY OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS WOULD BE THE FULL ELECTRIC VEHICLES. EVEN PLUG-IN HYBRIDS COULD USE THEM.

THEY CAN'T USE THE PRESS CHARGES BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE NOT EQUIPPED FOR THAT. THEY USUALLY HAVE ABOUT A 6 KILOWATT BATTERY WHERE THE FULL HYBRIDS HAVE MUCH HEAVY

BATTERIES. >> POINT IS SIMPLY THIS AS YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE. THE CITY SHOULD BE SHOWING THE EXAMPLE RELATING TO AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. AT THIS POINT BASED ON YOUR NUMBER WE HAVE ZERO TRUE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. I WOULD HOPE, AS IN OUR FLEET. WITH MANY TRUCKS AND CARS AND VEHICLES THAT ARE IN THE CITY AND I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD MOVE IN A DIRECTION OF HAVING MORE THAN ZERO.

>> ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE I DID SPEND TIME IN CORAL SPRINGS AND THEY HAD A FLEET PRODUCES AND THE ISSUE WITH THE PREVIOUS ONES EVEN ME AS, WELL, MY CAR IS 4 YEARS OLD. IT'S GOT 12,000 MILES ON MILES. TO HAVE A HYBRID, QUARE-

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I'VE MET PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE INSTALLED CHARGING STATIONS.

TYPICALLY THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE AS I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO ONE PERSON WHO WORKED FOR ONE OF THE HEALTHSOUTH. HE WAS TRAVELING TO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS EVERY DAY. HE PUT 8 TO 1200 MILES A WEEK ON HIS CAR. IT WAS ACTUALLY BECAUSE HE WAS GETTING REIMBURSED MILEAGE. HE WAS PAID ABOUT $900 A MONTH ON HIS LEASE AND GETTING REIMBURSED

$2000. >> MY POINT IS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MANDATE THAT WE HAVE A CHARGING STATION TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES, I WOULD HOPE THE CITY WOULD ALSO SHOW AN EXAMPLE TO OTHERS THAT WE HAVE A PORTION OF OUR FLEET THAT IS TRUE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THEY CAN WORK OUT ALL THOSE OTHER DETAILS ABOUT HOW FAR AND WHAT WE ARE DOING. TO SHOW THE EXAMPLE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

GOING ON FROM THAT POINT, RELATING TO THE SCREENING. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE I THINK WE WANT TO PROMOTE THEM AND LET THEM BE VISIBLE. I THINK HIDING THEM AND SCREENING THEM CREATES PROBLEMS. AGAIN WERE TRYING TO PROMOTE THINGS BY HAVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND CITY VEHICLES. TRYING TO PROMOTE OUR CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM STREETS AND PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. IT'S JUST THE WHOLE PROMOTION MARKETING OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

>> THE SCREENING IS NOT FOR THE ACTUAL ?.

>> IT'S FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> IT'S FOR THE TRANSFORMER. THE ONE THAT BURIED IN THE HEDGES. THE ACTUAL CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE AT EACH PARKING STALL, THOSE WOULD BE VISIBLE.

>> THAT'S WHERE WERE TALKING. THAT F TALKS ABOUT THAT CHARGING STATION. NOT THE ACTUAL CABINETS.

>> RIGHT. THE OTHER THING UNDER BUILDING CODE IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGIN YOUR SHOPPING CENTER THIS DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY. IT'S ONLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING A MAJOR REMODEL OR A CHANGE OF USE. CONVERTING SAY A WAREHOUSE TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT CHANGES THE AMOUNT OF USE. ONCE YOU HIT THAT 26 UNDER THAT ONE PROPOSAL OR THE 50 UNDER OUR MINIMUM STANDARD THAT WAS PROPOSED. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME A CHARGING STATION WILL COME INTO PLAY. NONE OF THE EXISTING CLUB HOUSES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PLACE CHARGING STATIONS NOW.

THEY MAY COME TO PLAY, THIS IS IN PLACE WHEN, WHEN EVAN PARKLAND REAL PHASE 2 COMES IN. IF THEY HAVE LESS THAN 50, IT WILL BE A MINI CLUBHOUSE THERE. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA COME

INTO PLAY FOR THEM. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> RIGHT, WAWA IS A REQUIRED TO BRING IN CHARGING STATIONS NOW.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO LEASE OUT THAT SPACE TO ONE OR MORE COMPANIES TO GO WHEN THOSE CHARGING STATIONS.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN JUST TO MAKE MY POINT ON THE ENCOURAGED POLICY THAT AVENTURA HAS. THAT WOULD BE, AT THIS POINT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WE ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO INSTALL CHARGING STATIONS. AND SO FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION HOW SUCCESSFUL AVENTURA HAS BEEN WITH THEIR ENCOURAGED POLICY. THAT IS IT.

>> FOR THE RECORD I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NATHANIEL LEFT THE DAIS ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO AND ASHLEY TOOK HIS SEAT. AND

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>> I HAVE A FEW. NATHANIEL HAD ASKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. I GOOGLED THIS MORNING AND ONE COMPANY IN PARTICULAR ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT THIS SAYS.

THE CHARGING CABINET SHOULD BE 70 FEET IN HEIGHT, THERE IS OR 7.7 FEET 4 INCHES. AND THE SWITCHGEAR SHOULD BE NO GREATER THAN 5 FEET HOT, THERE'S OUR 5 FEET 6 INCHES. AND THE POST SHOULD BE NO GREATER THAN 6 FEET IN HEIGHT, THOSE ARE 6

FEET AND 5 INCHES. >> LET ME CATCH UP WITH YOU

ASHLEY. >> SORRY, I WILL TELL YOU WHERE

IT WAS. >> HERE IT IS. IT'S H, 590 1H.

THE 7 WAS? >> IT WAS 7 FEET 4 INCHES. 5 PFEET 6 INCHES. 6 FEET 5 INCHES.

>> OKAY. GREAT, THANK YOU. >> LEADING INTO I WITH THE FLOOD ZONES. THE FLOOD ELEVATIONS. THIS IS VARIABLE WITH THE FLOOD REQUIREMENTS. IN 7 FEET AND 4 INCHES FOR EXAMPLE. I'M THINKING LIKE A PARKLAND WHERE THE FLOOD ELEVATION MAY BE HIGHER. WHETHER IN A FLOOD ZONE. WHAT THIS ALLOWED THEM TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT 7 FEET AS IT'S WRITTEN? RIGHT NOW THE EQUIPMENT ?.

>> IT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OFF THE BASE PLATFORM WHICH IS MOUNTED. THE BASE PLATFORM WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE DESIGN

FLOOD ELEVATION. >> AND THAT STARTS AT ZERO?

>> RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE THE ZERO. IF YOU'RE IN AN AGE 11.

THE HEIGHT OF THE CABINET WOULD BE FROM THAT BASE.

>> ASHLEY, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT COMPANY IT WAS THAT HAD

THE LARGER EQUIPMENT? >> IT WAS TESLA. THEY ARE SUPER STARTERS. THERE STATIONS ARE LARGER. X THE LEVEL

THREES. >> ARE THOSE LEVEL THREES?

>> YES THOSE ARE LARGER. >> THE ONES AT THE LIBRARY ARE MUCH SLOWER. I HAVE A FRIEND WITH A TESLA AND WERE STILL FRIENDS. THANK YOU. I HAVE 2 FRIENDS. SHE WAS MOVING SHE LIVED AT MY HOUSE FOR MONTH. I DON'T HAVE A TESLA AND SHE WAS A PARKLAND RESIDENT LIVING BETWEEN HOMES. SHE WAS ONE RESIDENT THAT USED CHARGERS AROUND TOWN. I DROVE HER ALL OVER BECAUSE THIS ONE ONLY DOES 30 PERCENT AND CORAL SPRINGS ONLY DOES 30 PERCENT. ON THINK ABOUT RENTERS THAT CAN'T CHARGING STATION IN THE RENTAL HOME SOMETHING TO CONSIDE.

MAYBE WE. >> THE ONE AT THE LIBRARY, THERE ARE PEOPLE USING IT. TESLA FULLY COVERED, FULL CAR COVER ON IT SITTING THERE MOST OF THE DAY.

>> IT ONLY CHARGES TO 30. >> I SAW GENTLEMEN RIGHT UP ON ONE OF THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. PUT THE SCOOTER IN THE TRUNK AND TAKE THE CAR HOME. SO WHERE WAS HE COMING FROM? I'M NOT SURE. I'M SURE HE WAS A RESIDENT IN THE AREA SOMEWHERE.

>> SKIPPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT. IMC UNDER THE SAME THING, THE AREA DESIGN STANDARDS. TALKING ABOUT THE APPS. NUMBER 2 WERE TALKS ABOUT APPLICABLE CHARGING FEES. WE REQUIRE SOMEONE TO PUT $0.20 A KILOWATT I KNOW I'M IGNORANT ON THIS.

BUT, DOES THAT CHANGE IT 2 YEARS? THE FEE GOES UP OR DOWN AND NOW THEY NEED TO PUT A NEW SIGN? MAYBE LOWERING WHAT WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE OF THE SITE TO SAY. IT'S ALL IN THE OUT. THE OP CHANGES MONTHLY, YEARLY. I WOULD HATE FOR THE SIGNAGE TO BE OUTDATED IN 6 MONTHS.

>> OKAY. >> MOST OF THAT SIGNAGE IS GOVERNED BY FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. X BEACHES LOWERING OUR ACQUIRING TO ME THAT.

>> JUST LIKE YOU WALK UP TO A GAS PUMP AND IT TELLS YOU KNOW SMOKINGG AND THE OTHER STUFF. IN THE OCTANE RATING. THOSE ARE FEDERAL GUIDELINES. WHAT THEY ARE CHARGING, WHO TO CALL IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. THOSE ARE FEDERAL.

>> OKAY. OKAY THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ONLY, UNDER GEE, THE SAFETY SCREEN WHICH HE TOUCHED ON. I DID DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SAFETY SCREEN WAS. NOW IDEAL. ASSUMING ALL APPLICANTS

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WILL UNDERSTAND THAT MEANS. >> THANK YOU. BASED ON EARLIER COMMENTS WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT F WHERE IT SAID SCREENING THE CHARGING STATIONS FROM VIEW OF THE ADJACENT RIGHTS AWAY.

ABOUT THAT IN MY NOTES ALSO. >>I SAY A COUPLE IMES, MAYBE 3 OR 4 UNITS OF INPUT. WE LOVE TO HEAR IT.

>> EVERY TIME YOU GUYS SAID SOMETHING, SOMETHING TRIGGERED IN MY HEAD. GAIL ADDRESSED IT. THAT PROJECT STATION IS ALWAYS

USED. ALWAYS OCCUPIED. >> AT THE LIBRARY?

>> IT CHARGES TO VEHICLES AT THE TIME AND YOU WILL SEE THE PARK HEAD-TO-HEAD AT THE STATION. X IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL WERE DOING A PROJECT TO ADD 2 MORE FOR THE CITY.

>> YOU WEREN'T MANDATED TO PUT THAT THERE. YOU DIDN'T BUY THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN PROMOTING

ELECTRIC VEHICLES. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT'S THE CRUX OF WHATWERE DOING. MANDATING OR ENCOURAGING BUSINESSES. THAT'S CLOSE TO MY PUT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. SOMEONE MENTIONED A DESTINATION CITY.

I'M NOT CAN ITSPEAK FOR THE CITY APARTMENT RESIDENTS. THE STATIONS ARE CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT ARE USED BY DESIGN OF THE RESIDENCE. THEY WILL GET USED. IF YOU'RE AT A PARK THOSE CHAIN STATIONS ARE USED. IT'S ALL FOR YOU. UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT IN REGARDS TO THE BURDEN ON THE END-USER. I THINK SOMEONE ADDRESS THE FACT IT'S NOT A BURDEN IT COULD BE A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF THEM GETTING A LEASE FOR COST FOR THEIR SPACE.

>> THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEE IF AVENTURA, IF THEIR POLICY WAS SUCCESSFUL. WHICH, I LOOK AT AVENTURA IS A SHARP CITY. .

THERE MAKING IT HAPPEN WITH A TYPE OF POLICY PICK.

>> ALSO TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE FLEET MOVING FORWARD. THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP A FEW TIMES. THE ELECTRIC FLEETTHAT CAME UP A FEW TIMES.

WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> FLEET. TODD. THANK YOU. I ENDED UP GOING TO LINE BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC

AND EVERYONE HAS INPUT. >> I AGREE. GREAT PRESENTATION, GREAT INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TONY OR COUPLE OF FOLKS IN THE PAST TALKED ABOUT THIS BOARD DOING A LOT MORE ZONING THAN PLANNING. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE ARE PLANNING. I DON'T OWN AND EV. I WANT TO ONE DAY.

I'M ACTUALLY A LATE ADOPTER FOR MANY REASONS. ONE OF THOSE IS I'M A NERVOUS NELLY AND IF I CAN'T MAKE IT TO POINT A TO POINT B I'M NERVOUS. I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN A PLACE YET, I KNOW WERE NOT IN A PLACE YET AS A COUNTRY AND CITIES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT EASE OF KNOWING THERE'S A GAS STATION OR TV STATION EVERY QUARTER. MY POINT SO THAT IS I'M LOOKING AT THIS FUTURISTIC LINK. OR DOWN THE ROAD. WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE A DESTINATION CITY. WE'VE GOT SOME EXCITING THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP. I THINK THE EXPANSION, POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF SOME OF THE ROADS WHERE THINK I THOUGHT MAYBE PINE ISLAND ONE DAY MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER EXIT OR SOMETHING. ALL THAT TO SAY, I WOULD RATHER PLAN ACCORDINGLY AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE? THAT'S WHY WOULD RELY STAFF AND YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF GATHERING DATA. I AM OPEN TO REQUIRING SPACE AND/OR READINESS FOR IT BUT, I WOULD ASK TO GO ON THE LOWEST POSSIBLE NUMBERS YOU COULD USE.

YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE REQUIREMENT IF HE EVER NEEDED TO. YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY EVEN THOUGH THE POINT THAT THE COST MAY BE BORN BY THE VENDOR TO THE BUSINESS OWNER OR WHATEVER OWNER. I'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF CONTRACTS IN MY LIFE WHERE VENDORS GIVE YOU FREE STUFF. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF HAVING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPENDITURE OR BUSINESS FOR THEM. THEY'RE NOT DOING IT FOR FREE. MY CONCERN IS IT STILL WOULD BE A PRESSURE ON THE OWNER EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY BURDENING THE COST. THAT'S WHY AM IN THE MIDDLE. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I'M OPEN TO IT BASED ON OUR CITY AND ENVIRONMENTALISTS AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I ALSO THINK THE FUTURE OF EV IS EXPLODING. THIS COULD BE SOMETHING MORE VEHICLE VENDORS ONLINE FOR THE NEXT 4 TO 10 YEARS. . 30 STARTING TO EXPLODE. I THINK WE SHOULD PLAN ACCORDINGLY FOR THAT. AS FAR AS WHEN YOU ASKED, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT WANTING FOR US TO KNOW IF WE RERUN A LIMIT TO ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR. DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LIMIT

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YOU'RE REFERENCING. >> IT WAS WHETHER WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY NEEDED TO PROVIDE FOR MORE THAN ONE USER.

LIKE, WAWA WANTED TO DO ALL TESLA STATIONS FOR EXAMPLE.

ALL 10 STATIONS WOULD ONLY BE USABLE FOR TESLA VEHICLE

OWNERS. >> YEAH. I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT. IF WE ARE REQUIREMENT WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO BE OPEN.

>> RIGHT. THE REQUIREMENT, REMEMBER THE REQUIREMENT VERSUS THEY COULD PROVIDE ABOVE THE MINIMUM. SAYING I MUST CITE THE REQUIRED 4 SPACES. BECAUSE BEFORE ARE REQUIRED. IF WE HAD WHERE ONLY 50 PERCENT COULD BE UTILIZED BY ONE VENDOR FOR EXAMPLE. 50 PERCENT OF WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. IF 4 WERE REQUIRED TO SAY COULD BE TESLA INTO WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER VENDOR OF BOLTS, ELECTRIFY AMERICA, BLINK, OR ONE OF THE OTHERS. SO YOU HAVE SOME DIVERSITY FOR THE CONSUMERS. FOLKS THE OTHER THINK GOING BACK TO THE VEHICLES AND WHAT I BELIEVE WILL BE AN EXPLOSION OF THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AVAILABLE. OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT OUR CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS OF GASOLINE, OIL IN THE WORLD.

THE REQUIREMENTS OF HAVING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES BY CERTAIN DATE AND MILESTONES. WHICH IS MANDATED TO THE AUTOMAKERS. SO, I HAVE 2 VEHICLES IN MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW. I PROBABLY COULD HAVE 3RD THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

WITHIN A COUPLE MORE YEARS I WILL HAVE 4. FORWARD THINKING AT SOME POINT, IF WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE BUYING FOR CHARGING STATIONS OR 3 CHARGING STATIONS WITHIN MY HOUSE. MAYBE ONE OR 2. I THINK THE VOLUME WILL NECESSITATE MORE STATIONS OUT AND ABOUT. I LIKE THE FORWARD THINKING. I'M NOT A FAN OF REQUIRING IT IN GENERAL. I DO THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO REQUIRE. I WOULD GO ON THE VERY LOW SIDE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BUSINESS AT THIS POINT UNTIL SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER PARCELS START MOVING OR THERE IS MAJOR RENOVATION. I THINK THAT WAS IT. LET ME DO A QUICK LOOK. WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, WE DO HAVE ELECTRICAL EQUAL SPOTS AND OBVIOUSLY THERE DESIGNATED FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. HOW DOES THE ENFORCEMENT WORK IF I PUT MY CAR IN THERE? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? DOES IT GET TOWED? A TICKET? WHO ENFORCE THAT? X RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO TICKET THAT NEXT VIOLATION. ANTHONY WOULD YOU KNOW ANYTHING

ABOUT THAT? >> IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THEY CAN SPECIFY THAT THOSE ARE EV CHARGING ONLY STATIONS.

>> IF YOU'RE NOT EV CHARGING ANY PARK A REGULAR GASOLINE VEHICLE ENOUGH STALL, CAN YOU GET A TICKET FROM A POLICE

OFFICER? >> RIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING IS IF YOU ARE THERE ANY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY POSTED SIGNAGE AND NOTIFIED YOU THAT THOSE ARE EV WORKING STATIONS ONLY. WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN TO PRACTICE IS THEY WOULD CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAY THEY'RE UNAUTHORIZED TO BE THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF LIKE THERE'S A STATE LAW.

>> YOU SEE 15 MINUTE DRY-CLEANING PARKING. IF SOMEONE SAYS OR FOR AN HOUR, CAN I GET TOWED? IF WORKING TO REQUIRE SOMETHING A PUTTING SIGNAGE.

>> THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD PROBABLY ENFORCE IT. THE CODE SAYS THAT THE EV CHARGING SPACES ARE FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF EV VEHICLES DURING THE CHARGING. IF THERE WAS A CAR THAT WAS SITTING THERE FOR SAYING, A WEEK, WE COULD CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ALSO. IF SOMEONE IS THERE FOR AN HOUR AND THEN THEY'RE GONE AND THEY'RE NOT CHARGING THEIR GASOLINE VEHICLE. THIS COULD BE HARD TO TRACK THE PERSON DOWN AND ENFORCE THAT. TEMPORARY

INTERMITTENT VIOLATION. >> YOU SAID THIS IS ONLY FOR LIKE, CAN SCOOTERS PLUG INTO THIS? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH

ABOUT IT. >> MAY BE MOTORCYCLES BUT, I'M

NOT SURE OF SCOOTERS. >> MR. TRACY IS SHAKING HIS

HEAD NO. >> MOST OF THE SMALLER CAPACITY ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SCOOTERS OR MAYBE ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS.

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THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.

>> IT WILL LIGHT UP. >> YEAH. THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED.

EVEN MOST OF THE PLUG-IN ELECTRICS. THEY COULD HANDLE A BASIC LEVEL II. YOU WILL NEVER SEE ONE ON THE TURNPIKE OF ONE OF THOSE LEVEL 3'S. THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE IT. YOU CANNOT ACTUALLY EVEN PLUG THEM IN. THE LITTLE ONES, THEN ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, THEY WILL CHARGE UP AND 3 HOURS IN YOUR GARAGE. IT'S JUST A 110 PLUG. YOU PLUG IN THE CHARGER TO THE WALL OUTLET. STICK THE PLUG IN THE BIKE AND IT'S FULLY CHARGED IN A SHORT MATTER OF TIME. ANOTHER THING IS THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE REQUIRES A 20 AMP CIRCUIT AT EACH PARKING STALL IN A GARAGE. ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ALREADY PREWIRED FOR LEVEL I CHARGERS. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A LEVEL II THAT TYPICALLY MEANS A MINIMUM OF A 40 AMP DEDICATED TO 40 VOTE CIRCUIT FOR THAT LEVEL II CHARTER TO FIT. IF YOU CANNOT USE THE BASIC CHARGER. IF YOU WANT TO GET THE EXTRA FANCY LEVEL II CHARTER. THAT WILL TAKE TYPICALLY A SUBPANEL AND A 100 AMP CIRCUIT. IF YOU GONNA USE THE 17 KILOWATT FAST CHARGER THAT YOU CAN, THAT'S THE BIGGEST YOU CAN PUT IN THE HOUSE TYPICALLY. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SUBPANEL AND A BIG DEAL.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR TESLA'S THEY HAVE A 40 AMP DEDICATED CIRCUIT. THE WALL CHARGER, THEY PLUG IT IN AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, RIGHT ALEX? YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY I WANT TO MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL POINT WITH THE ENFORCEMENT. THE REASON WHY I SUGGESTED IT WAS PROBABLY THE PROPERTY OWNER CALLING. THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH DOING TRADITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF THEY HAPPEN TO OWN PROPERTY IN BROWARD COUNTY, THAT'S GREAT.

WE CAN ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND TO ENFORCE AND WE CAN RECORD A LIEN IF THEY DON'T PAY IT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING IF THEY DON'T PAY. IT'S SIMILAR LIKE THE DISABLED PARKING. WHERE YOU GET A TICKET UNDER STATE LAW OR THEY CAN HAVE YOU TOWED OR REMOVED. I WILL LOOK AT THAT ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER STATE LAW GOVERNS OR HAS A RESTRICTION OR A PENALTY. THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THEY'RE UNAUTHORIZED TO PARK PTHERE OR TRESPASSING.

>> THANK YOU. >> ONE LAST POINT.

>> YOU CAN ASK AS MANY AS YOU WANT.

>> I PROMISE THIS IS MY LAST ONE. IF THE BOARD IN GENERAL DOESN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH AND ENFORCED AMOUNT OF SPACES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OPTION OR WHAT AVENTURA OR OTHERS DO. MAYBE THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF CITY INCENTIVE THAT CAN BE THOUGHT ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF IDEAS. INCENTIVE INSTEAD OF ENFORCING.

>> OKAY. >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL FURTHER ENCOURAGE. >> I AM SEEING THE STATE LAW HERE. SORRY MR. OFSTEIN. IT HAS A PENALTY AND REQUIREMENT.

I THINK IT WILL WORK SIMILAR TO YOUR HANDICAP PARKING. SPACES.

THEY COULD BE CITED UNDER STATE LAW. THANKS.

>> DAVID, YOU'RE ON. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING. UNDER THE DEFINITION OF ELECTRICAL VEHICLE. I THINK I PROPOS WHAT ARE BUILDING OFFICIAL SAID AND WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER SAYING.

BUTTERY POWERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES DON'T INCLUDE GOLF CARTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE GOLF COURTS ALL OVER THE PLACE PARKING IN THESE AND THEN SAYING, WHAT, I HAVE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE. I THINK IF WE CLARIFY WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. ON PAGE 3 OF THE ORDINANCE SECTION E WHEN WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING OR USE THAT EXISTED AS OF DECEMBER, OR STATE OCCUPIED THAT RESULTS IN, IT SAYS INCREASING THE NUMBER OF MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING SPACES FOR THE ENTIRE SITE I THINK WE SHOULD CLARIFY IF WE HAD SAY, TYPICAL RETAIL THAT ENDED UP CONVERTING TO A RESTAURANT AND IT HAD A

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NUMBER ONE, E- ONE. INCREASE THE MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING TO COMPLY WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. AND I THINK THAT AND COME UP BEFORE NUMBER 2 SHOULD BE AN OR, OR A REQUIREMENT 450 OR MORE FOR THE ENTIRE I THINK WE ARE READY TO FIND THAT IF THERE'S 50 SPACES THIS IS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

I THINK. I THINK SOMEONE HAS MORE THAN 50 SPACES IN THEIR SIGHT, THE WAY I READ THIS AND THEY CHANGE SOMETHING INSIDE OF THE CENTER OF THE REQUIRES MORE SPACES THAN THIS FALLS INTO

PLAY. CORRECT? >> E IS ADDRESSING BUILDING

ADDITIONS FOR THE MOST PART. >> WHAT ABOUT CHANGE IN USE?

>> IT IS COVERED UNDER G. SO E IS BUILDING OR USE ENLARGED AND FLOOR AREA. I THINK ONE COMMENT REGARDING, ONE WOULD BE AN INCREASE ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE PARKING SPACES. ANY ADDITION WOULD KICK IN A REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PPARKING. SAY AN EXISTING SPAC REQUIRED PARKING, IF YOU CHANGE AND TO OR IT REQUIRES ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THAT ADDITION EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TOTAL REQUIREMENT OF 21.

>> OKAY, I WAS READING IT WRONG. I WAS THINKING IT WAS A

USE ALSO. >> IF YOUR ADDITION INCREASES PARKING AND NOW YOUR OVERALL SITE REQUIRES MORE THAN 50 IT'S GOING TO KICK IN. BUT, IT COULD HAVE AN EXPANSION THAT WAS STILL UNDER THE 50 SPACE THRESHOLD.

>> OKAY, GOTCHA. OKAY. WHEN I GET TO G WERE BUILDING USE IS CHANGED IN USE OF OCCUPANCY. THE ENTIRE SITE IS RECORDED. I THINK RESTATE CHANGE IN USE OCCUPANCY. I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE AND INCLUDES MORE PARKING SPACES.

>> OKAY. ALSO I RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD IT APPLIES TO BUILDINGS THAT EXISTED ON DECEMBER 14. THE SAME LEG WHICH OF THE FIRST LINE OF E NEEDS TO BE REPEATED IN G.

>> YEYEP. ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT'S NOT THE MAIN FOCUS OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE DO HAVE THE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS IN HERE ON 9530 B. YOUR GOOD LANGUAGE IN SUBSECTION D IN THE BEGINNING OF IT. THAT SAYS IN THE EVENT THAT AN APPLICANT FOR SITE PLAN BELIEVES THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE MIXED-USE IS LESS THAN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. THE FIRST SENTENCE IN B SHOULD BE THE SAME SENTENCE. BECAUSE B JUST SAYS PLAINLY, FOR THE TOTAL REQUIRES FROM EXCUSE TO FOMENT REQUIRE LESS PARKING BUT, WE WOULDN'T KNOW IT REQUIRED LESS PARKING UNLESS THEY SAID WE THINK IT REQUIRES LESS AND THEY SUBMITTED A STUDY THAT THE CITY DID OR DIDN'T ACCEPT. I THINK THE FIRST SENTENCE IN B SHOULD BE THE SAME PAGE D ON PAGE 5.

>> OKAY. TO SEE WHAT I MEAN? >> YES EXACTLY. I WAS JUST RELOCATING THAT. DID GET CHANGED SLIGHTLY.

>> I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED OF THE LANGUAGE. IT JUST ONE SAYS WHERE MIXED-USE REQUIRES LESS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS A MIXED-USE REQUIRES LESS. THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO BE DETERMINED IS FOR APPLICANT TO SAY I THINK IT REQUIRES LESS. SO WHATEVER WAY WE GET TO THAT WHICH YOU HAVE THERE. WE DON'T WANT ANYONE COMING IN SAYING, I HAVE MIXED USE OF REQUIRED LESS BECAUSE OF THAT LANGUAGE. THEY

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HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE IT. >> THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE IT

TO THE PARKING SITE. >> AND THEN, OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE IN B TO THE SHARED PARKING STUDIES SHOULD COMPLY ? ?. I THINK THE CITY ENGINEER FOR SOME OF THESE MAY BE ALSO WANT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I THINK WE SHOULD ADD A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THE CITY ENGINEER MAY ALSO ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSES. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT MIGHT COME IN. YOU KNOW, BACK TO WHERE BJ'S DID THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT ENDED UP MAYBE IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SHOW WHAT IT SHOWED. THE CITY ENGINEER WANTED TO REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSES THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.

>> OKAY. THIS LANGUAGE WAS EXISTING IN THE CODE. WE CAN EXPAND ON THAT WITHOUT CORRECTION.

>> WHILE WE HAVE IT IN THERE AND MOVING IT THAT'S TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT. THEN AT THE END OF IT WE TALK ABOUT AT A MINIMUM THE STUDY SHALL INCLUDE LOCKABLE LAW, BLAH. AFTER PARKING SPACES ? ?. CITY ENGINEER DESIGNATE IT TO A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT MAY BE

ON STAFF THEY CAN REQUIRE IT. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. IN NUMBER ONE A. WE'LL TALK ABOUT AT A MINIMUM.

. IT'S GOT A LEVEL II. I WANT TO CLARIFY. IF SOMEBODY CHOSE TO PUT A LEVER 3 THE KNOCKOUTS?

>> YES. WHEN WE GET INTO C2. TOP OF PAGE 55 IT SAYS OFFSTREET PARKING SPACES WILL HAVE ELECTRICAL AND HAVE LISTED RACEWAY CONDUIT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. HIS LISTED

RACEWAY SOMETHING? >> IT JUST MEANS IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH UL STANDARDS. PER THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE. SO

LISTED MEANS UL LISTED. >> CAN WE PUT UL LISTED IN

THERE? >> YEAH, THERE IS SEVERAL STANDARDS THAT ARE MECHANIZED BY THE ?.

>> WHEN YOU SAY LISTED, THAT COULD BE LISTED IN ANY OF THE

STANDARDS? >> RIGHT. IT COULD BE UL OR DTW. IF IT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE NEC AS A RECOGNIZED THIRD-PARTY CERTIFIER OF THE SPECIFICATIONS THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED

LISTED. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN SOMEONE IS COMPLYING WITH THIS, WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO COMPLY WITH SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY THAT NOBODY CAN SHOW BACK IN YOUR FACE, WILL IT ONLY SAYS LISTED. AND MINE IS LISTED OVER THIS ONE. CELESTE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. IF IT'S

OKAY THEN LISTED IS LISTED. >> I CAN ASK MY ELECTRICAL CHIEF TO DO SOME RESEARCH. IT COULD BE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL

ELECTRIC CODE. >> WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH. IT SHOULD BE THERE. THUS THE

REQUIREMENT. > OKAY. >> OR MAYBE IN PARENTHESES I.E.

ATW UL AS EXAMPLES? >> LISTED JUST MEANS THERE IS AN DEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY THAT SAYS THIS IS APPROVED FOR THIS

TYPE OF USE. >> AS LONG AS WE TIGHTEN UP ITS ACCEPTABLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT YOU WILL BE FINE. IN THAT SAME SECTION 2A. EACH REQUIRED AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE. AS A PARKING SPACE OR CHARGING SPACE AS OPPOSED TO PARKING SPACE, RIGHT? IS THE INTENT

THERE? >> YES. YES.

>> I AM CONCERNED AND CONFUSED ABOUT C. IT SAYS 100 PERCENT OF THE REIGNING PARKING SPACES SHALL HAVE SLEEPING REQUIRED STRUCTURAL PENETRATIONS. THE WAY I LEAVE THAT GIFT PUT 2 PERCENT PARKING SPACES. THE OBJECT PERCENT READINESS BUT IT

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>> THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT TO WHEN I WAS READING IT.

>> BILL JUNO OR KALE JUNO. IF THE INTENT HERE TO HAVE THE SLEEPING BUT NOT TO THE PULL AND STRUCTURE READY WITH THE

UNDERGROUND CONDUITS? >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> UNDERSTAND THAT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT HAS TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE READY? THE WAY I READ THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE, IT SEEMS TO SAY 100 PERCENT OF THE PARKING SPACES

IN THE PARKING LOT. >> I WOULD ASSUME IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY 2 PERCENT CHARGING STATIONS AND AN ADDITIONAL 5 PERCENT THE STRUCTURE. ALL OF THAT 5 PERCENT MUST BE SLEEVED.

>> PROBABLY THERE, GAIL, MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY OF THE REMAINING REQUIRED ELECTRICAL VEHICLE SPACES OR TV READIES.

>> IT ANSWERS IT ON NUMBER 3 WITH THE LAST SENTENCE. SECOND CLARIFIES IT. IS TALKING ABOUT THE MUTUAL ELECTRIC SUPPLY INSTALLATION SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THEN A AND B.

>> BUT C DOESN'T SAY IT. C STANDS ON ITS OWN AS A

REQUIREMENT. >> TO ME IS STILL UNDER THAT NUMBER 2 ON PAGE 4. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 4 IT'S ALL TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS SPACES. THESE ARE THE READINESS SPACES AND THEN IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW IS TO

VAGUE. >> CENSORED SUB BULLETS UNDER 2 A, AND B AND C NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP.

>> IT SIMPLY REMOVING THE WORD PARKING AND PUT ELECTRICAL VEHICLE SPACES. IS THAT WILBUR SAINT?

>> IS THE EVEIE INFRASTRUCTURE READINESS SPACES.

>> WHEN IT IT SAME, QUICKLY IF I'M WRONG I THINK THE INTENT WAS IF YOU HAVING TO PROVIDE THE 2 PERCENT INFRASTRUCTURE READY. 100 PERCENT THAT 2 PERCENT HAS TO HAVE SLEEPING IN PLACE. I THINK THE HUNDRED PERCENT IS WHAT'S CONFUSING.

SHOULD JUST SAY,ALL SPACES SHALL HAVE THE SLEEPING AND PENETRATIONS. THAT'S REQUIRING THE 2 PERCENT INFRASTRUCTURE

SPACES. >> MY CONCERN IS VERY SPECIFICALLY WITH 100 PERCENT OF THE REMAINING PARKING

SPACES. >> RIGHT.

>> IF THAT'S JUST TO BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE READY. JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUST CLEAN THAT UP.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S MEANT TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE 2 PERCENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE READY HAVE TO HAVE SLEEPING. > LET'S JUST CLARIFY THAT. I'VE BEEN REVIEWING CODES A LONG TIME.

IT SAYS 100 PERCENT OF THE PARKING.

>> I CAN SEE THAT BEING VERY CONFUSING. 3 WAS BASICALLY THE

PROCESS FOR RELIEF. >> I AM DEFINITELY NOT FOR REQUIRING THE INSTALLATION OF THESE PLACES. I THINK THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. I THINK THIS IS A HARDSHIP. WE DON'T MAKE PEOPLE PUT GAS STATIONS IN. THE PRIVATE SECTOR TAKES CARE OF THAT. FOR MY RESEARCH, THE SHOPPING CENTER OWNERS MAY EXPERIENCE SOME BENEFIT FROM HAVING THESE. PEOPLE MAY LINGER AT THEIR SHOPPING CENTER LONG ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN CHARGE THEIR CAR AND THEY CAN SHOP THERE. WE KNOW THERE IS A MARKET. THERE WILL BE A MARKET FOR THE VARIOUS EVEIE SUPPLIERS TO COME AND COORDINATE LEASES.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE IT. I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE IT. I AM ALL FOR HAVING THE STANDARDS FOR THE LOCATION, FOR THE HEIGHT LOCATION AND THE SIGN. I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW FROM A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE WHERE YOU GOING TO PUT THESE. IT WOULD OCCUR TO ME THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY BE CLOSER TO A BUILDING, RIGHT? WELL, IF THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF SPACES NEAR A BUILDING AND WE ARE READY HAVE HANDICAP SPACES NEAR A BUILDING YOU CAN END UP

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>> RIGHT. WHAT I'VE TYPICALLY SEEN WITH MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT THEY TEND TO WANT TO GO ON THE PERIMETER OF LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER SITE. ADJACENT TO A ROADWAY WHERE THEY GET THE

VISIBILITY. >> I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE. AND, I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS PARKLAND. WE HAVE A 6 FOOT OPAQUE BUFFER REQUIREMENT. YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, IN THEORY EVEN THOUGH SOME OF OUR DIPLOMATS MAY NOT DELIVER TO THAT STANDARD. IN THEORY YOU ANYTHING BELOW 6 FEET. THAT SUCH A SONG THUS LONG BEEN A GOAL IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND. IT WAS FOR ALL PLAN INTO OUR ZONING. I'M ALL FOR ALL THE SCREENING. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE SCREENED. I THINK THERE WILL BE APPS IF THEY AREN'T ALREADY THERE WERE PEOPLE CAN LOCATE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. I ALSO TEND TO AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SAID. I DON'T SEE THIS AS ANYBODY. I SEE 441 BECOMING A COMMUTER SPOT FOR PEOPLE WHO NOW KNOW THERE IS A BUNCH OF CHARTERS AND PARKLAND AND THEY MAY NOT BE SHOPPING AND SIMPLY SHOPPING CENTERS. THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE HOW THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO RUN THEIR PROPERTIES. BUT, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT USING UP REQUIRED, OTHERWISE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES AND LIMITING WHAT CAN BE USED IN THESE PARKING SPACES. I WOULD JUST, AS AN EXAMPLE USE THE PARKLAND BAGELS /STARBUCKS PARK PARKING CENTER. THAT'S A PLACE THAT USES EVERY SINGLE SPOT ALL THE TIME. IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A SPOT. ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY MORNING AND YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND AND AROUND. IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A SPOT SOMETIMES DURING THE WEEKDAY. IF AT THAT SPOT THEY ENDED UP WITH 2 OR 3 OF THESE UPFRONT BEARD THAT COULD REALLY BE KIND OF AN ADDITIONAL HARDSHIP. ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE IS USING UP THE FRONT PARKING SPACES AND PARKING THE CAR FOR 3 HOURS.

THOSE ARE IN AND OUT SPACES. MY CONCERN IS THEY ARE ALREADY TEETERING ON THE LIMITS OF THEIR REQUIRED PARKING PROVIDED PARKING. IF WE NOW ENDED UP PUTTING SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES IN THEIR THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED BY I DON'T KNOW, 95 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, WHO DRIVE GASOLINE CARS.

THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN TO ME. I DON'T WANT TO NDATE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT TO HOW MANY

COULD GO UPFRONT. >> RIGHT. LET ME LOOK INTO ADDING SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY BASICALLY THEY CAN'T TAKE THE PREMIUM SPOTS AND HAVE TO BE LOCATED MORE TO THE PERIMETER OR INTERIOR OF THE SITE VERSUS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING. THE ONES I'VE SEEN, UNLESS THERE IN A PARKING GARAGE WHERE THEY ARE RELYING ON THE STRUCTURE FOR THE POWER.

THE CABINET SEEMED TO GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO PUT THEM.

THEY ARE NEW INSTALLATION. THEIR CONNECTING TO A TRANSFORMER, NOT NECESSARILY TO THE BUILDING.

>> I WAS GONNA SAY MAYBE ONE OF OUR BUILDERS CAN TELL ME. THEY JUST HAPPEN TO THE TRANSFORMER THAT MIGHT BE OUT IN THE RIGHT

WAY? >> IT'S UNDERGROUND.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> GOTTA BE THERE SOMEWHERE.

>> I'VE SEEN ON THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT BEING CLOSER TO THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE ARE TAPPING INTO THE BUILDINGS. A LOT OF THEM ARE RIGHT UP CLOSE. I MEAN RIGHT NEXT TO A HANDICAP SPOT. SOMETIMES IN FRONT OF HANDICAP SPACES IN SOME

SCENARIOS. >> IS A SHORTER ELECTRICAL RUN.

AS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.

>> I'VE SEEN THE MORE REMOTE IN EXISTING CENTERS.

>> THE LEVEL III ARE DIFFERENT. THOSE OF THE LEVEL III AND CORE

DOORS. >> I CAN IMAGINE TESLA WOULD JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO GET TO THE 70 OR 80,000 CARS PER DAY ON 441 AND PUT 15 TO 20 TV STATIONS ALONG 441.

>> THAT WAS OUR PROPOSAL. >> WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH WAWA THAT THEY DONE. THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THEM.

>> I'M CONCERNED MAYBE THAT MAKES MORE OF A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT TYPE USE OUT OF FARM PARKING LOTS WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST SERVE THE SHOPPING CENTERS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO EVALUATE HOW MANY OF THESE

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>> THE CITY DOES SURVEYS FROM TIME TO TIME TO RESIDENTS AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THESE CHARGING STATIONS EVER MENTIONED? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SO THE DESIRE TO HAVE A LOT OF CHARGING STATIONS OUT THERE. I DON'T SEE IT. DAVID, MYSELF AND ALEX MAKE THE ARGUMENT OF ENCOURAGING BUSINESSES NOT MANDATING. I THINK AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION MR. CHAIRMAN, WE SHOULD GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO MANDATE A NUMBER OR NOT.

>> OR ENCOURAGE IT. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. >> SORRY FOR

INTERRUPTING DAVID. >> MR. OFSTEIN, WHONE QUESTION YOU MIGHT WANT HALF IS HOW MANY IS 2-MINUTE? FOR THE WAWA STATION THEY WANTED TO REMOVE 15 PARKING STATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR 12 EV PARKING STATIONS. THAT SITE REQUIRES 52 SPACES. YOUR TICKET 15 OUT OF INVENTORY. THE CODE WILL ALLOW THOSE EV STATIONS TO COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING. NOW YOU HAVE A LOSS OF 15 AND A GAIN OF 12. THE LOSS OF 3 SPACES AND NOW 12/50 ARE EV.

>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COUNT AS REQUIRED PARKING PARTICULARLY FOR WAWA. WAWA IS AN UNBELIEVABLY INTENSE CUSTOMER SERVICE USE. PEOPLE EAT AT WAWA. PEOPLE GET GAS AT WAWA. THEN THEY USE A PARKING SPACE TO GO INSIDE. EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT OF WAWA IS A MOST ALWAYS TAKEN UP. THE SITE IS ALWAYS TAKEN OUT. IF YOU STARTED TAKING THOSE SPACES AWAY WE WOULD END UP WITH NO SPACES. PEOPLE WERE JUST COMING THERE TO WAWA, WHO'S DONE A PARKING GENERATION STUDY BASED UPON THE BUILDING ITSELF AND BEING A GAS STATION AND A FOOD STORE NOW WE START OCCUPYING 10 TO 15 WHICH IS 30 PERCENT OF THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. WITH USES THAT MAY ONLY BE THERE FOR THE CHARGING STATIONS. AND MAY NOT BE THE FAST TURNOVER SPACES. I THANK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A HUGE PROBLEM AT WAWA. I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING TRUST 15 SPACES, CHARGING SPACES BE CONSIDERED REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. IT'S LIKE RUBBING OFF A PLACE AND DOING CHARGE RALLY THEN CALLING THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED PARKING. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. > YEAH. THE FLIPSIDE IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE IT AND NOT REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN ENCOURAGE IT BUT NOT ALLOW THEM TO COUNT IT I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A MAX ON THE PERCENTAGE

THAT CAN BE COUNTED. >> COMES BACK TO ME ABOUT 2

PERCENT. 2 PERCENT. >> COUNTED TOWARDS YOUR REQUIREMENT. ANYTHING OVER THAT WOULD BE SURPLUS.

>> THERE'S NOT 70 PERCENT ELECTRICAL VEHICLES GOING, I'M SORRY THERE'S NOT 30 PERCENT VEHICLES GOING TO WAWA RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS IN GENERAL. THERE WAS LIKE 700,000 EV'S SOLD LAST YEAR. WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE IT'S 30 PERCENT OF THE CARS ON THE ROAD. SO MY THOUGHT IS, BECAUSE IT'S 441 AND IS WAWA. YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING IN JUST FOR STOPOVER. IT WILL BECOME THE PARKLANE STOPOVER. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.

>> THEY WILL CHARGE AND GET US UP AND ESTABLISH AND LEAVE. I AGREE, WE CAN LOOK INTO ADDING WHERE ONLY THE REQUIRED MINIMUM COUNT TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING AND ANY SURPLUS AND HAS TO BE A SURPLUS ABOVE REQUIRED PARKING.

>> OR THEY COULD PUT A CHARGING STATION AND NOT RESTRICT PEOPLE

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WHO PARK THERE. >> I THINK THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE FLORIDA STATUTE THAT REQUIRES STUFF TO BE MARKED.

>> YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY. >> COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT RECORDS CAN BE REFLECTED TO YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YEAH, WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THIS I WAS THINKING, IF WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED MINIMUM, THAT MINIMUM WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST HER MINIMUM, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING SPOTS.

IF YOU PUT MORE THAN THE MINIMUM THEN YOU COULD NOT COUNT THOSE EXTRA SPACES AS PART OF YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO WAWA REQUIRES 50. THEY HAVE 52. IF WE HAVE A MINIMUM, IF WE REQUIRE 2 PERCENT THEY COULD PUT 3 SPOTS IN. THE ONE SPOT WOULD BE COUNTED AS A 50 AND THE OTHER 2 WOULD BE ACCESS. IF THEY WANTED TO ADD MORE THAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOT SO THEY

COULD ADD MORE. >> WELL SAID. I WOULDN'T SAY RECOMMENDED. I WOULD SAY ENCOURAGE. THAT'S IS ONLY ONE

TALKING ABOUT. >> WE ENCOURAGE IT UP TO THE MINIMUM AND THE MINIMUM WOULD NOT REDUCE YOUR AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING SPOTS BUT, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED MINIMUM YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL

PARKING FOR THAT. >> I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

>> THE ONLY THING THING WITH THE LEVEL 3 CHARTERS WERE TALKING ABOUT. THOSE ONES, YOU'RE AT MAYBE 20 MINUTES OF THE BOX. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO SIT THERE FOR AN HOUR, MAYBE WEDNESDAY THE CHARGE DEGRADATION GOES DOWN AND YOU START AT 600 MILES AN HOUR AND IT GOES DOWN. YOU'RE REALLY

THERE FOR 15 TO 20 MEDS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO KNOW THAT IT IS OR ISN'T A LEVEL III OR WE CAN

PROJECT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF A LEVEL I OR 2 CHARGER. THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE GO PUT A COVER OVER THE CAR AND THEY LEFT THEIR CAR FOR THE DAY.

THAT'S WHAT MAYBE YOU'RE SEEING AT THE LIBRARY.

>> THAT'S A LEVEL II THAT'S TAKING 5 HOURS. > AT THE WAWA, YOU GO AND GET A SANDWICH AND MAYBE YOU EAT THE SANDWICH THERE AND HAVE A COFFEE. THEN YOU GET A EXTRA HUNDRED MILES.

YOU'RE ONLY THERE FOR 15, MAYBE 30 MINUTES IF YOU ARE REALLY GOING SOMEONE FAR. THAT ONE IS LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SAY.

TESLATESLA WANTS 15 TO 20 SPACES TO MAKE IT WORTH . THE TESLA DRIVERS. LIKE WE WERE TALKING BEFORE. IT IS ON THEIR CAR AND ABLE TELL THEM. IT REPROGRAMS ALL THAT IN. IT WILL TELL YOU YOUR CHARGE TIME AND ALL THAT STUFF. YOU REALLY

DO NEED THAT. >> GOT TO BE HONEST. I'M DEAD SET AGAINST SEEING 15 TO 20 TESLA OR EV JUST COMMERCIAL EV CHARGING ON OUR SHOPPING CENTERS MY COMMERCIAL CENTERS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED TO, HE THOUGHT. IT WAS BEAT ONE THING THAT SOMEONE TILTED INTO THEIR PLAN AND DEVELOP THE SITE AFTERWARDS. BUT, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

>> DEAR FILTERED IT. I WONDER WHAT DEERFIELD, THERE WAWA WHO PUT THOSE ELECTRICAL CHARTERS IN.

>> IF THEY HAD AN EXTRA BANK SOMEWHERE THAT AND IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE. MORE POWER TO THEM. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT ALONG

441. >> THE GOOD NEWS WOULD BE FROM ASHLEY'S POINT. IF SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE A CHARGER OR HAD AN ISSUE AT THEIR HOUSE. IF YOU HAD AT TESLA CHARGER ON 441 OF THIS NEW CHARGING STATION AT TARGET. WE REALLY COVERING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY FROM, IF YOU'RE RENTING AN APARTMENT.

YOU'RE COVERED AND YOU REALLY DON'T NEED THE CITY FACILITIES AT LEVEL ONES AND LEVEL II THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

>> IF THEY'RE OPEN. > ON THE TESLA WHEN YOU PULL INTO A LOCAL PLACE THAT HAS TESLA CHARTERS. AVAILABLE TO AND THEN ARE AVAILABLE 3 ON THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS? OR ARE THEY

ALL LEVEL III FOR TESLA? >> THERE ALL LEVEL THREES.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT VOLTAGES. BILL GAVE US THE SHEET.

THERE'S DIFFERENT RANGES BETWEEN 500 AND 600. THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS INSIDE THAT LEVEL III THAT SOME ARE LITTLE BIT QUICKER. SOME OF THEIR NEW WORK SERIES TWOS. THERE ALL

LEVEL III. >> THERE ARE LEVEL III REGARDLESS OF MAJOR ROADS OR ARTERIALS.

>> IF IT'S A TESLA CHARGING STATION YOU'RE NEVER THERE MORE THAN 30 TO 45 MINUTES. AND ALL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME WAY. IT'S SORT OF AN S CURVE. IT PLUGS IN. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BACK-AND-FORTH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CHARGER AND THE BATTERYSYSTEM. IT STARTS OFF SLOW. AFTER COUPLE OF MINUTES IT RAMPS UP AND GETS UP TO ABOUT 80 TO 85 PERCENT CHARGED. THEN IT GOES TO A TRICKLE. IF YOU WANT TO GO FROM 85 PERCENT TO 95 PERCENT YOU'RE GONNA SIT

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>> MOST OF THE VEHICLES WILL TELL YOU THAT. ARE THERE 1520 MINUTES AND THEN YOU GO DRIVE ANOTHER HOUR OR 2 TO THE NEXT CHARGING STATION. IS NOT WORTH THAT LAST. UNLESS YOU ARE HAVING A MEETING AT THE WAWA INNER-CITY THERE.

>> I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR SHOPPING CENTERS BECOME ELECTRONIC VEHICLE CHARGING HUBS.

ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ACCESS TO 441. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE HUB IN THE AREA. THEY ARE PSHOPPING CENTERS. THE STUFF I SUPPOSED TO BE INSIDE. IT'S AN AMENITY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

I DON'T SEE PUTTING 15 OR 20 OF THEM OUTSIDE ON 441 AS AN AMENITY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. THE LAST THING I HAVE WAS AN E.

WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL TO YOU. I'VE LOOKED OR PARKING CODES THEY'RE NOT SUPER EXTENSIVE WITH RESPECT TO THE USES.

>> YES. >> WHERE WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAID IF A USE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THAT YOU CAN PICK THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR CODE THAT'S MOST SIMILAR.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THAT TO BE IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, THE ENGINEER OR THE USE IN THE ITE FIFTH GENERATION PARKING GENERATION MANUAL.

>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

>> YOU JUST GO RIGHT TO IT. NOW, A BARCODE SHOULD BE THE MINIMUM AND THEN FOR USE THAT WE DON'T HAVE YOU COULD GO LOOK

AT ITE. >> OKAY X THAT WAY NOBODY HAS

TO SLAM ITE DOWN OUR THROATS. >> WILL NOT BE SUBJECTIVE.

>> THERE'S ONLY IF THERE'S A USE THAT'S NOT IN OUR CODE.

YOU COULD EITHER GO LOOK IN OUR CODE OR YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ITE

FIFTH GENERATION MANUAL. >> WE HAVE REVISIONS TO THE PARKING CODE JUST FYI PLANNED FOR PROBABLY SUMMER OR SPRING

OF NEXT YEAR. >> HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. TO HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE? WE HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE OF PARKING SPACE?

>> THIS ORDINANCE SAYS THEY HAVE TO MEET THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE CODE. IN THE PARKING SECTION OF THE CODE FOR THE ACTUAL STANDARDS ARE LISTED. THERE'S GOT TO BE

SIZE REQUIREMENTS WITH ADOPT. >> FOR NEP PARKING SPACE?

>> FOREST STANDARD VEHICLE PARKING SPACE.

>> SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT SIZE AT ALL?

>> THEY COULD BE THE STANDARD 10 BY 20 OR 9 BY 12 WHATEVER

OUR CODE REQUIRES. >> THANK YOU DAVID. I'VE SOME COMMENTS FOR TO TAKE BACK TO EITHER RESEARCH STUDY OR NOT

PAY ATTENTION TO THEM. >> THE IVORY TOWER?

>> THEY MIGHT BE IMPORTANT. BACK TO ASHLEY'S QUESTION EARLIER IN THE HEIGHTS. THERE ARE CERTAIN CODES OF REQUIREMENTS THAT ORCHESTRATE THE HEIGHT OF A MONUMENT SIGN.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK, OR CODE REFERENCES FIRM HEIGHT AND THEN BACK TO WHETHER IT'S A PARKING LOT OR AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.

JUST TO REFLECT ON THAT. THERE'S LEG WHICH IN OUR CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT AVERAGE HEIGHT OR AVERAGE ADJACENT GRADE DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS CABINET, WHETHER IT'S THE CHARGING STATION ITSELF OR THE CABINET IF YOU WILL FOR THE EQUIPMENT. THE INTERMEDIATE CABINET. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ADDRESSED IN OUR CODE WITH RESPECT TO IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN GREATER ELEVATION WHERE IT'S GOING. THAT 7 FOOT 6 AND A HALF OR 7 AND AND A HALF FOOT CAN GO INTO A 5 OR 6 FOOT BERM. JUST SO WE DON'T GET TAUGHT ABOUT.

>> ISN'T THERE A DEFINITION OF BUILDING HEIGHT IN OUR CODE THAT DOESN'T BEGIN WITH THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION BUT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU MEASURE THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT?

>> WERE NOT CLOSE SOLVE EVERY SINGLE ONE. THERE SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES IN OUR CODE THAT TALK ABOUT IT. I WANT TO PUT A BLANKET OVER IT WITH RESPECT. I DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS AND RESOLVE IT. I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHERE IN OUR CODE AND DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A MASTER SITE PLAN OR RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER THE

CASE MAY BE. THAT WAS ONE. >> HOW THAT HEIGHT IS MEASURED

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CABINET HEIGHT. >> THE HEIGHT WOULD BE FROM.

>> NATURAL GRADE.> WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FLOODPLAIN.

YOU COULD SAY, THE MORE RESTRICTED OF THE HEIGHT OF THE PARKING BUMPER OR THE E CURB STOP OR THE BASE FLOOD OR DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION. THE PARKING LOT IS LOW AND YOU HAVE TO PUT THE CHARGER ON AN 8 INCH CURB INSTEAD OF A 6 INCH CURB.

IT WILL BE 2 INCHES HIGHER NORMALLY. IF THE PARKING CURB OR BUMPER IS AT OR ABOVE THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION THEN THAT PLATFORM THAT THE CHARGER SITS ON CAN BE NO MORE HIGHER

THAN THAT. >> THERE WERE OTHER CODES DOUBLE, TO PLAY PERHAPS. BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIC JUST LIKE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS NEED TO BE PUT AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT

ADJACENT TO A PROPERTY. >> THAT USUALLY COMPLIES WITH

BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. >> DON'T FORGET, WE ALL SHOULDN'T FORGET THIS ORDINANCE. ONCE ORDINANCE IS ESTABLISHED AND SOMEBODY ACTUALLY COMES IN TO DO THE WORK THERE IS BUILDING PERMITS, PLANS AND DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE OTHER BELT AND SUSPENDERS AND CODES THAT REQUIRE COMPLIANCE.

MY INPUT IS THE HEIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE AVERAGE GRADE ANIL GOOD THERE SO MANY OTHER ASPECTS THAT THE BUILDING CODE WILL TAKE CARE OF. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES IT. SO THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT'S AGAINST WHAT THE CODE AND OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR CODE AND ORDINANCES AND ZONING WILL REQUIRE. WHICH LEADS TO. A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS. DAVID HAD SOME VERY GOOD INSIGHT. I THINK SOMETHING COULD BE OR SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH RESPECT TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE CHARGING STATIONS. IF THERE ON ALL NIGHT, AND A CARB YET WAWA? OR CAN A CAR STAY IN OUR LIBRARY AND CHARGE OVERNIGHT? A LOT OF SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE NO OVERNIGHT PARKING WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AS LONG AS SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ADDRESSED SO THAT THE ORDINANCE IS A COMPROMISED OR TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

>> WHAT WE CAN DO IS TIED TO THE HOURS OF THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CAN HAVE A TIMER SORT OF ON THEM. NONE OF THE ONES OF THE LIBRARY THERE BASICALLY OPERATING FROM DAWN TO DUSK. BUT, SAY F WAWA IS A 24 HOUR OPERATION THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT.

>> HOUSE AT DIFFERENT THAN GETTING GAS LIKE IN THE MIDDLE

OF THE NIGHT? >> LIKE A DEAD VEHICLE.

>> ARE NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T. THAT'S WHY MY INITIAL COMMENTS WERE TO ADDRESS IT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED THAT IT IS. I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO REGULATE IT. I WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE SO THE CITY ADDRESSES IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MODIFY IT OR HAVE AN ISSUE OF ENFORCEMENT OF OR

OTHER ASPECTS OF IT. >> I THINK THE HOURS OF

OPERATION. >> THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT THAT CITY ATTORNEY AT STAFF AND THAT'S WITH HER THEREFORE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE COVERED AS A CITY AND PROTECTING ALL OTHER CODES AND ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

>> WE WILL TIE HOURS OF OPERATION TO THE USE OF THE

SITE. >> UNLESS I'M WRONG WHEN WE HAD OUR ORDINANCES CHANGED WHERE WE WERE AND WEREN'T ALLOWED AND THERE WERE FEDERAL LAWS WITH RESPECT TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND CELL TOWERS. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY, ONCE THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO PLACE I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE LINE OF THE DOOR FOR APPLICATIONS BASED ON WHAT GETS WRITTEN AND GETS IMPLEMENTED. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR SOME OF MY

COMMENTS. >> RIGHT.

>> ANOTHER ONE IS TO MAKE SURE WOMEN TO RECEIVE AN APPLICANT OR AN APPLICATION FOR PERMITS FOR X NUMBER BASED ON THE END OF THE ORDINANCES. THERE'S NO CONTRADICTION TO A MASTER SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR RESTRICTION. SOMEBODY IS GONNA COME IN AND CHANGE 12 PARKING SPOTS AT WAWA IS OUT STUFF A MEMO TO THE SITE PLAN? IS IT A MASTER SITE PLAN AMENDMENT? IS IT A MINOR SITE PLAN COMMITMENT? WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S IN PLACE SO MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK AND THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS OR WE

SHOULD'VE DONE THAT. >> RIGHT.

>> WITH RESPECT TO SIGNAGE ON THE ACTUAL TV STATIONS. I KNOW

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IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY OF CERTAIN BUSINESSES AND/OR SHOPPING CENTERS. SAME THING WITH SIGNAGE ADVERTISING. WHETHER IT'S WAWA OR ONE OF THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS THAT ADVERTISE WE NOW OFFER OR HAVE TV STATIONS AND TO THAT EFFECT SENSE AS DAVID SAID A BERM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HIDE THE PARKING FIELD FROM PASSERSBY. THAT

SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. >> OKAY.

>> WITH RESPECT TO YOUR INQUIRY WITH RESPECT TO SPECIFIC ENTITIES OR WHETHER ONE COMPANY OR MANUFACTURER IS ALLOWED WITH RESPECT TO COMPETITION AND STUFF. IT'S LIKE COKE AND PEPSI. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REGULATECERTAIN STORES OR ESTAURANTS, MCDONALD'S OR BURGER KING. ONE SALES PEPSI ONE TELESCOPE. AGAIN, HOW THAT GETS DONE I'M SURE IT COULD BE AN INTRICATE LEGAL ASPECT TO REGULATE THAT AS A CITY.

PERHAPS. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.

>> YOU KNOW I BET WILL HAPPEN. I'VE A FILLING ONE DAY, ONE DAY IT'LL BE UNIVERSAL CHARGING OR HAVE ADAPTERS OF THE STATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE A FEELING WILL HAPPEN.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF ONE OF MY INCLUDED, DAVID ALLUDED TO, THERE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE IN THIS ORDINANCE, A ON THE NUMBER. IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE COULD GO X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, 30 ? 48. ONE OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND CREATE A A SUBLEASE WITH THE SINESS AND A HOT DOG CART AND HAVE A

CHARGING STATION. >> RIGHT.

>> I'M SERIOUS. . TODAY WE ARE WRITING THIS AS TODD SAID FOR PLANNING AND PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE IS SOONER

THAN LATER. >> YEAH. I THINK THE IDEA OF NOT ALLOWING THOSE SURPLUS EV CHARGING STATIONS TO COUNT AS PROVIDED PARKING TOWARDS YOUR REQUIRED COUNT. IT WILL DISCOURAGE LIKE TO MANY BEING PUT IN O SOON. WHETHER SITTING THERE TYING UP SPACES AND NOT BEING UTILIZED. I THINK THAT WILL HELP ON PUTTING MAX CAP ON HOW MUCH COULD BE COUNTED. FOR EXAMPLE, WITH WAWA. I'M USING THAT AS A RECENT EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A PROPOSAL AND HAVE SEEN WITH THE SHAREHOLDER WANTED. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO SUPPORT THE INSTALLATION OF THE 12 STATIONS WITHOUT COMING IN AND PROVIDING 5 OR 6 MORE PARKING SPACES. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR A PARKING VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THAT SITE. ONLY 2 OR 3 OF THOSE EV SPACES COULD COUNT AS PROVIDED PARKING. IT WILL DISCOURAGE, I

THINK THE OVERZEALOUS INSTALLATION OF UNITS. >> CAN I JUST ASK. ON THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPACES THERE ARE IN THE WATERWAYS OR I GUESS WILL BE CALLED MILLENNIUM SHOPS ON 441. IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE VACANCIES OR USES IN THERE THAT DON'T REQUIRE A LOT. I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE WOULD GO AND PUT A BUNCH OF EV SPACES AND THEN THEY WOULD GET LEASED UP AND YOU WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO SAY NO TO A LEASE. BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GOT THE SPACES. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COPYING AND, LISTEN I DID SOME WORK WITH TELE-COMMISSION LEASES.

GUARANTEED THE B COMPANIES ARE GOING TO RUN TO PUT THIS STUFF

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>> THEY SPACE THEM OUT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT A WHOLE

BUNCH OF THEM ON 441. >> THEY WANT TO PUT 15 AT WAWA.

>> TEAM AT WAWA IS A GOOD NUMBER THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE. THAT SEEMS EXCESSIVE. JUST BECAUSE OF THAT ONE.

THAT'S A TYPICAL NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS. ESPECIALLY PEOPLE SEE A TESLA TO INVEST IN A LEVEL III. THERE PUTTING MAKEUP POWER SOURCES AND SCREENING. IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING FOR THEM TO INSTALL THAT. ONLY PUT IN 5 OR 10

SPACES. >> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW MANY CHARGING STATIONS IS A COCONUT CREEK TURNPIKE PLAZA? SERVICE PLAZA? I SAW THEM BUT I DIDN'T COUNT THEM.

>> I THINK ABOUT 40 OF THEM. IT IS A LOT.

>> THEY HAVE BOTH VENDORS ON THE TURNPIKE.

>> THAT'S WHAT PARKLAND COULD LOOK LIKE. IF ARE NOT CAREFUL.

>> WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TURNPIKE. AND I'M TALKING

ABOUT PARKLAND. >> MAKING AN EXAMPLE. WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING CODE. BECAUSE THERE ARE LEVEL III.

BASED ON MR. TRACY'S PAPERWORK THERE CALLED DCFS CHARGING.

WITH RESPECT, BECAUSE THE HIGH CAPACITY OF POWER, ELECTRIC BATTERY GENERATOR IF YOU WILL. I'M SURE JUST LIKE GENERATORS AND OTHER HIGH-POWERED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. THERE MAY BE AND I'M SURE HAVE REGULATIONS RESPECT TO HOW CLOSE AND HOW FAR FROM DOORS, WINDOWS, LOUVERS, PERHAPS AGAIN, IT'S IN THE CODE I THINK WE DISCUSSED IT. THE PROTECTION OF THE CABINETS AND STUFF. ALL THE CRITERIA FOR GOES WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTING THE EQUIPMENT. WE'LL HAVE SOME ASPECT IN BELTS AND SUSPENDERS TO RESPECT BEFORE THEY GO WHETHER IT'S AT WAWA OR ANY OTHER RETAIL BUILDING SO THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE PROTECTED OR IF NEED BE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CARS FROM BOTH SIDES IF THAT'S THE CASE.

>> ACTUALLY THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE HAS RECENTLY ADDED AN ENTIRE SECTION ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. THERE ARE MINIMUMS. THERE ARE A WHOLE RANGE OF STANDARDS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

PROTECTIVE BOLLARDS, SPACING OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE VENTILATION OF THE EQUIPMENT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN 15 OF THESE PAST CHARGING DC LEVEL III CHARGERS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE A 1200 AMP 480 VOLT SERVICE. X YOU CAN PUT THAT OUTSIDE THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I

WAS ALLUDING TO. >> RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS

ARE ONLY ABLE TO BE 220. >> THERE'S PROBABLY DISTANCES AS YOU JUST T STATED IN RESPECT TO COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT CAN'T GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING OUTSIDE OF A BUILDING OR LOUVER. AS TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION. AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN PLANNER REVIEW.

>> WAWA IS SET UP SO THEY COULD HAVE THE CAPACITY. LET'S SAY BJ'S, IF THERE WAS ADEQUATE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT THEY COULD PUT IN SAY 20 STATIONS. YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE A FREESTANDING LITTLE BUILDING OUT AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WOULD CARRY THE SWITCHGEAR TO POWER THE STATIONS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BIG POWER DRAW.

>> THAT'S WHY MY STATEMENT AND COMMENT ABOUT SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. WHAT WOULD KICK IN A CHANGE? WOULD IT BE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF OR A MASTER SITE PLAN WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ADVERTISING MEETINGS? THERE'S A LOT OF TRICKLE EFFECT. WE STARTED ORDINANCES AND WERE VERY GOOD, OUR CITY AT PRODUCING A GOOD ORDINANCE. IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE BELTS AND SUSPENDERS JUST LIKE WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY, THE

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AFRICAN-AMERICAN ORDINANCE NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF QUESTIONS LAST ITEM. DIFFICULT TO REGULATE BUT IMPORTANT AND IT MAY NOT BE THE ORDINANCE AS IT SITS TODAY BUT PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE. ADA DISABILITY ACCESS TO CHARGING STATIONS. AN ALTERNATE OR EXISTING DISABLED PARKING BASED ON THE ADA CRITERIA. THAT SOMETHING FIRST OFF, LEGAL TO REGULATE AND

LEASE ADDRESS. >> WITH MULTIPLE STATIONS TYPICALLY UNLESS IT'S A SMALL INSTALLATION LIKE ONE STATION THAT CHARGES TO VEHICLES. USUALLY WILL SEE WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE SPACES ONE OF THEM WILL BE HANDICAP, A 12 FOOT WIDE WITH A 5 FOOT ZONE. BUILT WHAT YOU KNOW IF IT WOULD BE

PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBLE? >> IS A WRITTEN IGHT NOW AND

ORDINANCE BY. >> DOESN'T REQUIRE ONE OF THE EV STATIONS TO BE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. USUALLY WHEN THERE ARE MULTIPLE STATIONS THAT YOU PROVIDE ONE.

>> IT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE, YET?

>> IN SOME CASES YOU MAY ONLY REQUIRE ONE SPACE. IF YOU MAKE

IT HANDICAP NOW. >> AL IF IT'S OVER A CERTAIN

QUANTITY. >> OUR CODE DOES NOT SPECIFY AN

ADA REQUIREMENT FOR SPACES. >> IN A SHOPPING CENTER, WHEN A SHOPPING ENTER GOES AND THERE'S NOT A NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS

IS COHEN AS ADA? >> NOT FOR EVA.

>> OH NO I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN FOR V.

>> I THINK YOUR POINT IS YOUR ASKING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

DOING THAT. >> I'M NOT SAYING TO PUT IT IN.

I'M SUGGESTING, WHEN I STARTED MY COMMENTS ARE NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING I SAY GETS PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE. MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, PUT IN, MODIFIED OR CHANGED. I'M JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD THAT IT SHOULD BE OF VALUE WEIGHTED IF OUR ORDINANCE AND COMMISSION DOESN'T INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE. THEN I WILL

STOP SPEAKING. >> WE CAN LOOK INTO THE ADA GUIDELINES. THEY MAY HAVE RECENTLY ADDED REQUIREMENTS.

>> LIKE IF THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EV STATIONS.

>> JUST LIKE THAT NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE THAT JUST CAME OUT WITH A WHOLE SECTION. LET'S MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT AS SECTION AND LET'S STAY I HAD A BIT.

>> ADA IS A FEDERAL STANDARD THAT OVERRIDES LOCAL MUNICIPAL CODES. IF ADA SAYS YOU NEED FOR EVERY 5 EV STATIONS YOU NEED ONE HAD TO OR FOR EVERY 10 STATIONS THEN THAT'S WHAT IT

WILL BE. >> THANK YOU. THOSE OF THE END

OF MY COMMENTS. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY INPUT

OR WANT TO PRESENT A MOTION? >> THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THE ITEM?

>> AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE AGENDA ITEM TO THE PUBLIC IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK. COME O UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU ANTHONY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON NEIGHBORS. MY NAME IS ? ? 6235 NORTHNORTHW 83 LANE. MARIO GOMEZ. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE?

>> YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR 3 MINUTES.

>> 3 MINUTES IS ENOUGH. >> WERE KNOCKING TO PUT THE TIMER ON YOU BUT WE WILL CUT YOU OFF SHORTLY AFTER.

>> I'M HERE AS A NEIGHBOR. I WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS ON MY EXPERIENCES ON THE NETWORK. YOU COMMENDED ABOUT THE TELECOM TOWER COMPANIES. THEY WANT TO INSTALL TOWERS. THE WAY I SEE

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MY COMMENT IS TO OPEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

INSTEAD OF 2 PERCENT GO TO 20 PERCENT RECOMMENDATION. AT MINIMUM 10 PERCENT IN A WAY THAT BY ENCOURAGING MORE USE OF GREEN SOLUTIONS, ELECTRICAL VEHICLES. ONLY SAW 3 CONSIDERATIONS FOR GREEN ENERGY IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND WEBSITE. GREEN PROGRAMS. GRIZZLY 3 GREEN PROGRAMS. I ALSO WENT TO SOME OTHER SITE LOOKING FOR STATES COMMITTED TO 200 PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY. THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF STATES, FLORIDA IS NOT THERE. I THINK WE HAVE TO DO WAY MORE IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING, OPENING THE RELATION FOR MORE GREEN ENERGY SOLUTIONS IN A WAY OF PARKING SPACE. IN A WAY OF OTHER TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE CITY. IF THE COMPANY ARE GOING TO BRING RELIABLE ENERGY TO THAT SPOT, RELIABLE CONNECTIVITY AND EXTENT TO THAT SPOT WE WILL BE BETTER OFF AS A COMMUNITY I THINK. WHICH IS ALL THE PROBLEM WITH THE HURRICANE. MORE HOUSES ARE ADAPTING BATTERY IN THE HOUSES TO SUPPLY ENERGY, BACKUP ENERGY. IF WE GET TO MAKE THIS CITY FRIENDLY FOR 20 YEARS MORE HOUSES WITH MORE BATTERIES AND BEING ABLE IN A CASE OF HURRICANE TO BRING THOSE BATTERIES RECHARGE AT THE STATIONS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE PAVING THE WAY TO HAVE ELECTRICITY CONNECTIVITY ABOUT INTERNET CONNECTIVITY, MORE RELIABLE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. IT'S PAVING THE WAY FOR MORE ENERGY SOLUTIONS IN THE FUTURE. FOR THE RESIDENTS IT'S GOING TO BRING THE VALUE UP. I THINK WE HAVE 2, SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED TO GO TO THE HISTORY OF AVENTURA. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE HISTORY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES. THE MOST SCREENS FRIENDLY MUNICIPALITIES WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN ORDER TO BRING MORE POSSIBILITIES FOR HOOKUPS OF EV VEHICLES. BY THE WAY, MY IS EXPIRING FOR NEXT SUMMER AND I WANT TO SHIFT TO ENERGY SOLUTION. THE MORE WE PROVIDE FOR TESLA OR ANY OF THEIR MARKET. THE MORE GENERIC POSITION INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN PROVIDE I BELIEVE WE HELP THE CITY IMPROVE THEIR ENERGY

SOLUTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? THERE IS NOBODY ELSE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY. >> I WILL YIELD TO YOU.

>> OF A QUESTION. THE CHARGING STATION WE HAVE AT THE CITY OF THE LIBRARY. AS A COMPLEMENT TRADE? THERE'S NO FEE CHARGED?

IS THAT ACCURATE? >> IT'S FREE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL ARGUE WITH THE FACT WE NEED STANDARDS AND EVERYBODY DID A GREAT JOB UP HERE. SETTING UP THE STANDARDS GOING FORWARD FOR CHARGING STATIONS. HOLD ON A SECOND. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

HOWEVER, I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS I HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS FROM THE BOARD RELATING TO ENCOURAGED OR A MANDATED NUMBER. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE CITY

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IN AGREEMENT ON THE STANDARDS. >> RIGHT. I HAD ABOUT 5 BULLET POINTS IF, IF WE HAD A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE 5 ISSUES AND 2

HAND COUNT. >> WE COULD DO THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE IF I MAY ASK, IS THIS AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD BE COMING BACK AND LOOKING OUT AGAIN IF THE MOTION IS DIRECTED

IN THE INSTANCE? >> WELL, IF YOU DEEM IT NECESSARY TO COME BACK FOR YOU TO READ YOU THE REVISIONS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS. THEN HE WOULD DIFFERENT AND JUST PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS. OTHERWISE IF YOU MOVE IT FORWARD, SUBJECT TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION. WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COMMISSION. IF THEY SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE SOME OF THEM WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE THE CLEANUP AND CLARITY OF LANGUAGE. SAY FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY REQUIRES 2 PERCENT. IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND SAY, 3 PERCENT WE WOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THAT UP TO PERCENT AND POINT OUT TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR 3 PERCENT AND THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER IT

WAS 2 OR 3. >> I THINK THE ISSUE IS NOT THE NUMBERS FOR 2, 3 OR 4. I THINK IT'S AN ENCOURAGED POLICY OR A FIXED NUMBER POLICY. I THINK IT'S AN EITHER OR. WHAT WERE

RECOMMENDING HERE. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS WE WERE KNIGHTED RECORDATION.

>> I RECOMMEND YOU DO YOUR SUGGESTION. I RECOMMEND OUR BOARD HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION AMONGST US WITH HIS BACK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD COME BACK FOR

OUR REVIEW. >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD START. IT'S GREAT AND I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING IT. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND I LIKE TO SEE IT FROM BEING CONSISTENT. I THINK WE GIVE A FINAL PRODUCT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU, YOUR INPUT ON THAT ASPECT OF MY INQUIRY?

>> I DON'T FEEL I'M IN A POSITION WHERE I CAN VOTE ON

SOMETHING TONIGHT. >> UNDERSTAND. WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN MOVE IT TO THE COMMISSION BASED

ON OUR COMMENTS? >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT ONE TIME. >> I AGREE WITH TODD AND DAVID.

>> I'D BE COMFORTABLE PUSHING IT FORWARD WITH

RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I'D BE COMFORTABLE PUSHING

IT FORWARD. >> DO WE HAVE ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW? THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL. ALEX, GO AHEAD?

>> I THINK WE COULD WORK THROUGH IT. WORDING HERE. I THINK THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE ITEM THAT WERE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. IT'S THE LIMITATION AND REQUIREMENTS. I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED ON ALL THE OTHER THINGS. I THINK GAIL AND HER TEAM CAN DO A GOOD JOB OF FIXING THAT. SO CHAIR ?.

>> I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO NOT DEFER TONIGHT. GAIL HAD LIKE 5 FULL POINTS. I HAD 3 THAT ARE KEY POLICY ISSUES. WHILE THE COMMENTS WERE GREAT AND I KNOW THE STUFF WILL TAKE IT BACK AND WORK ON IT. THE PRIMARY ONE IS WHETHER YOU'RE ENCOURAGING OR WHETHER YOU'RE REQUIRING. THE EV PARKING SPACES. AND MAYBE POLICY NUMBER 2 IF YOU'RE ONLY ENCOURAGING YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO GET THE POLICY DECISION NUMBER 2. THE UNIVERSAL COMPATIBILITY ASPECT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. BY THE WAY I DON'T THINK WE WOULD STATE A CERTAIN BRAND. I THINK WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE NEEDED TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN LEVEL OF EV PARKING SPACES TO HAVE COMPATIBILITY FOR MULTIPLE VEHICLES. NUMBER 3, THAT SCREENING ISSUE. SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A POLICY DECISION THEY WERE KIND OF OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUMS FOR THE VIEWS FOR THE 3 I HAD. ANOTHER COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO HEAR PARTICULARLY YOUR INPUT ON

THOSE 3 ISSUES. >> I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES. NOT THE LEAST OF WHAT WAS THE DETERMINATION OF HEIGHT FOR THE CABINETS AND HOW IT'S MEASURED. I WILL BE HONEST.

I'M A NO VOTEFOR MOVING IT FORWARD. I THINK OUR JOB IS TO FLUSH IT OUT. GIVE A FINAL PRODUCT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THEN, THEN YOU CAN FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S A LOT TO BE CHANGED AND THERE APPEARED I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE COME BACK.

>> MY THOUGHT WAS NO. IF YOU WANT TO WORK IT OUT I'M HERE TO WORK IT OUT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND WORK ON OR 5 BULLET POINTS THEN

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>> I THINK TOP ON THE LIST AGREEMENT WITH OUR ATTORNEY WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD WHETHER YOU'RE RECOMMENDING

ENCOURAGING OR REQUIRING. SO? >> THAT STORES DROPOUT.

INFORMAL BUT FORMAL COUNT. . AND ASK A QUESTIONN AND WE WILL VOTE AND GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION ON .

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> ENCOURAGE OR REQUIRE.

>>.[VOTING] SO IT'S REQUIRED BUT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH

THE LEAST MINIMAL REQUIREMENT. >> THAT'S A SECOND BULLET POINT. WE WILL HAVE A STRONG VOTE ON.

>> I'M TORN ON THIS. I WOULD REQUIRE IT. AGAIN I'M ARGUING WITH MYSELF. I'M ENCOURAGING IT BUT IF IT'S A SIZE BIG

ENOUGH I WOULD REQUIRE IT. >> ARE YOU WHEN R OR E?

>>, R. VOTING] >> 5 ? 2.

>> 5 ENCOURAGED AND TO REQUIRED. VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS. SOME INDICATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH HEM VISIBLE WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE SEEN. OTHERS IN THE CURRENT WAY THAT ORDINANCE IS STRUCTURED IT ENCOURAGES TO BE SCREENED FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND RESIDENTIAL USES. THE CHARGING

STATION EQUIPMENT ITSELF. >> IF I MAY. IT'S CONTRADICTORY. FOR ZONING CODE REQUIRES A BERM SEPARATING A PARKING LOT FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY HOW COULD WE BASED ON OUR CODE AND THE WHOLE EXISTENCE OF PARKLAND IN ALL THE YEARS AND THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF MAINTAINING THE BERMS IN THE CODE VIOLATIONS OF LAND OWNERS NOT MAINTAINING BERMS IN THE PAST. CAN WE HAVE A BERM FOR 30 FEET THICK CUT A SECTION FOR 20 FEET TO TAKE THE BERM OUT?

>> I THINK THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF PARKLAND.

>> THAT'S MY POINT. IT'S KIND OF A CONTRADICTORY.

>> THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERLAP.

>> THESE BUILDINGS WERE ALL DESIGNED TO BE INTERIOR USES OTHER THAN THE GAS STATIONS. WE CAN'T JUST PUT EXTERIOR USES AND JUST BECAUSE THE CHARGING PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT THE PRIMARY USERS THAT ARE NOT REMOTELY OTHER THAN AN INCIDENTAL AMENITY IN THEORY. TO THESE USES. THEY LIKE TO BE VISIBLE.

>> CAN WE PUT COCA-COLA AND PEPSI MACHINES FACING A SIDEWALK THAT'S RUNNING ALONG 441?

>> ALEX? >> I MIGHT BE THERE STATE WALKING BY AND I MIGHT WANT TO COKE OR PEPSI.

>> I HOPE YOU TONE POINT THAT TO ME.

>> I THINK THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

>> LET'S VOTE ON BULLET POINT B OR 2.

>> ONE QUESTION I LIKE TO THROW OUT THERE FOR ALEX. YOU'RE NOT DRIVING BY GOING, CAN I FIND A CHARGER. LET ME SEE THE FIRST ONE UP PULLING OVER. YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR APP. YOU'RE NOT RELYING ON THAT AS A DRIVE-BY OH, THERE'S PUBLIC SO I'M GONNA RUN IN AT THAT ONE AND GET SOME GROCERIES. YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR APP AND YOU'RE GOING FOR A KNOWN DESTINATION

FOR THESE CHARGING STATIONS. >> JUST THE VENDORS ARE LOOKING FOR PUBLICITY. TESLA WANTS THAT PLANE.

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>> THEY WANT THAT NAME. >> THE FACT THE CHARGING PSTATIONS AREN'T AGNOSTIC TELLS A LOT.

>> YES. THE BRIGHT GREEN GENERALLY PICS ARE BIG AND HAVE A BOAT ON ITEM 2? X CODE WOULD NORMALLY ADDRESS SCREENING FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS A LITTLE OVERKILL THAT SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY OF THAT EQUIPMENT OR STATIONS FROM THE

PERIMETER OF THE SITE. >> COMPLETELY SCREENED.

>> YES, SIR NO. >> COMPLETELY SCREENED OR YES,

SIR NO. >> OR VISIBLE TO SOME REGARD.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THEM,

NO SCREEN. >> OUR CODE HAS SCREENING.

>> SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SCREEN THESE PARTICULAR?

>> RIGHT. >> I GET IT.

>> EXCUSE ME, WE CAN DISCUSS IT. THIS IS JUST A GUIDANCE

AND DIRECTION OF OPINION. >> BEFORE WE CONTINUE THE VOTE ON THIS. THIS IS THE AIL WAGGING THE DOG.

>> WANTS TO VOTE ON IT THEN THAT'S A DECISION.

>> VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE. >> THIS IS AN INCIDENTAL AT BEST USE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE KNOW THEY WANT TO BECOME MUCH MORE PREVALENT USE INSIDE OF THESE THINGS. 15 SPACES AT

WAWA. >> WERE RECOMMENDING BASED ON THE CRITERIA PRESENTED IN OUR DISCUSSION TO OUR CITY COMMISSION AND THEY WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE DECISION-MAKER. WE HAVE ONE SCREENING. CONTINUE. [VOTING]

>> IT WAS 4 ? 3 TO REQUIRE SCREENING?

>> YES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY WERE GOING TO ADDRESS HOW MANY SPACES MAX COULD BE COUNTED TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING. LET'S THROUGHOUT THAT WOULD BE THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WOULD BE IF IT'S REQUIRED BY CODE .

THOSE COULD COUNT. ANY SURPLUS ABOVE THAT WOULD NOT COUNT

TOWARDS THE PROVIDER PARKING. >> I THINK THE BOARD AT LEAST MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS GOING WITH ENCOURAGED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS UNLESS YOU WANT TO.

>> BUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THEM IN THEY HAVE TO HAVE A

SURPLUS. >> LET'S VOTE ON IT BASED ON, FOR EXAMPLE IF THE COMMISSION CHANGES THE ENCOURAGE VERSUS REQUIRE APPEARED WHAT WOULD OUR DESIRE BE?

>> CHAIR, STILL THE ANSWER WOULD BE IT'S ENCOURAGED RIGHT NOW. IF I WANT TO PUT IN 10 SPACES AT A GAS STATION WHAT PERCENT CAN BE COUNTED TOWARDS MY REQUIRED PARKING? THAT IS STILL NUMBER WE HAVE TO DECIDE. TO ALL 10 OF THOSE COUNT AS

PARKING SPACES? >> THEY CAN'T.

>> THEY COULD IF WE DECIDE THAT. WHAT IS THE NUMBER? IT

COULD BE ZERO OR 100. >> ASKED MR. TRACY. >> BASED ON THE TABLE THAT WOULD BE EITHER WHETHER IT ENCOURAGED, THAT'S ENCOURAGED NUMBER. IF IT'S REQUIRED THAT'S REQUIRED NUMBER. THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS WE COUNT IN YOUR PARKING COUNT. IF YOU WANT MORE THAN THAT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXCESS PARKING SPOTS.

>> LET'S BRING UP THE TABLE AND LOOK AT THAT.

>> THAT WAS COULD BE OUR LAST BULLET POINT. I THINK THAT'S COULD BE THE TOUGHEST DECISION. PERCENTAGE VERSUS TABLE. THE

TABLE VERSUS RANGES. >> IF WERE ENCOURAGING LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE HER WITH THAT. SPEAKING AS A BOARD 5 ? 2 TO ENCOURAGE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO AHEAD TAKE HER WITH NUMBERS THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BOARD IS INTERESTED IN DOING

FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. >> I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY MIGHT COME INTO PLAY. THAT REVERTS BACK TO THE NUMBERS.

WOULD IT CONSTITUTE STAFF MODIFICATION, ADMINISTRATIVE? OR WOULD IT BE A MINOR SITE PLAN COMMITMENT OR MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT? OR IS IT ACCORDING TO THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED? WHAT CONSTITUTES THAT CHANGE?

>> WHAT I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IS IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED ON

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HAVE A COUPLE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT ARE IN THEIR FLEET. THEY WANT TO INSTALL ONE CHARGER STATION FOR THE USE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. THAT MAY B SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HANDLED AS A CALL UP ITEM. IT'S ONE STATION IN A FACILITY, NOT A PUBLIC FACILITY. VERSUS IF FOR PUTTING 12 OR 15 STATIONS IN A RIVERSTONE SHOP. THAT'S GONNA MODIFY THE PARKING LOT. REQUIRE LANDSCAPE CHANGES TO THE SITE. THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT WHICH WILL HAVE A MORE FORMAL

REVIEW PROCESS. >> IT WILL BE HANDLED LIKE A

PARKING LOT ?. >> IT'S UNDER SITE PLAN

CHANGES. >> THERE IS A PROGRESSION IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT'S NOT IN THE CODE.

GENERALLY REQUIRE THE SAME REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN UNLESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR FOR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR DETERMINES THE CHANGE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OF THE

PREVIOUS APPROVAL. >> MURRAY, WHETHER WE ENCOURAGE OR REPAIR IS IMMATERIAL. TO THE NUMBER.

>> THERE'S 2 SEPARATE ISSUES. THE NUMBER AND THEN HOW MUCH GETS TO COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING BEFORE INTO THE NUMBER IT SHOULD VERY SIMPLY BE ANYTHING ABOVE WHATEVER THAT ENCOURAGED NUMBER IS CAN ONLY COME FROM EXCESS PARKING. SURPLUS PARKING. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FUNCTION AS REQUIRED PARKING. THERE AREN'T, I WOULD DOUBT THERE'S 2 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE VISITING ALL THE SHOPPING CENTERS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS ARE DRIVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

>> STARBUCKS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE AND WAWA IS A PERFECT

EXAMPLE. >> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE SAYING 10 PERCENT OF THE VEHICLE IN PARK WHEN ARE NOW AND CAN UTILIZE THE SPACES. I WOULD SAY UP TO 10 PERCENT OF THE REQUIRED PARKING COULD BE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE SURPLUS. THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE WAWA EXAMPLE. IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND CARS A DAY GOING TO THE STARBUCKS. THERE'S NOT HUNDRED ELECTRIC VEHICLES PARKING THERE. THERE IS NOT. IT'S NOT 10 PERCENT. IF WERE TALKING ABOUT NOW, REDUCING THE PARKING. THE REQUIRED PARKING IN A SHOPPING CENTER BY WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. THAT'S CAN TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER PARKING.

>> WERE NOT REQUIRING. WHERE ENCOURAGING.

>> IT'S IMMATERIAL. THEY'RE PUTTING IN CHARGING SPACES.

THE ISSUE IS, DOES A CHARGING SPACE COUNT AS ART REQUIRED SPACE? MY POSITION WOULD BE IF EVERY CAR ON THE ROAD CAN'T PARK IN THE SPACE THEN IT'S NOT FULFILLING ITS USE AS A

REQUIRED PARKING SPACE. >> YOU NOW PUT THIS IN THE HANDS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WHERE ONLY ENCOURAGING THEM.

>> WE HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. WE REQUIRE IT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MANY PARKING SPACES.

>> ARE GONNA DECIDE HOW MANY BECOME ELECTRIC.

>> THEY DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUNCTION AS REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. IF YOU NOW SAY LET'S TAKE YOUR 10 PERCENT. THAT 90 PERCENT OF THE CARS THAT COME TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER CAN'T PARK AND HOWEVER MANY ELECTRICAL PARKING SPACES ARE. THEN HE REDUCED PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ENCOURAGE OR REQUIRE. YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PATRONS COMING TO UNFURL. IF YOU LIMIT THAT AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES BY ELECTRICAL PARKING SPACES HE REDUCED THAT NUMBER. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE

ISSUES. >> ENCOURAGE OR REQUIRE APPEARED THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE MODIFIED.

>> I ACTUALLY THINK ALEX SUGGESTION MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. USING WAWA WE KNOW THOSE NUMBERS. WAWA UNDER THE CURTAIN ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE IF WE GO WITH REQUIRE FORCES ENCOURAGE GOOD TO EVEIE CHARGING SPACES PLUS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR 2 ADDITIONAL SPACES. THIS IS HOW THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. SO, BASED ON SAY ALEX SAYING 10 PERCENT. IF WAWA PROVIDED 5 EV CHARGING SPACES, ALL 5 UNDER THE 10 PERCENT RULE COUNT REQUIRES TOWARDS THE PARKING.

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USUALLY, PARKLAND IS UNIQUE FOR VARIANCES. IN OTHER CITIES TYPICALLY PARKING REDUCTIONS AROUND 15 ? 25 PERCENT ARE NOT UNUSUAL OR VIEWED AS VERY SIGNIFICANT. TAKING 10 PERCENT OF THE INVENTORY TO ENCOURAGE EVEIE AND SPEND ONLY REQUIRING THE 2 PERCENT OR MAYBE WHATEVER WE END UP AT THE TABLE I THINK

THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. >> BASED ON A THEORY I AGREE WITH THAT. IN THAT EXAMPLE. I COULD JUST SAID I AGREE WITH IT. IT WAS ALSO WE LEARNED THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WAWA WAS PERHAPS PROPOSING 15. THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO FIND 5

PARKING PLACES SOMEWHERE. >> TO REPLACE ON THE SITE.

>> ARE NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO 15 AND PROPOSE TO DO 10 THAT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION OR OUR PROPERTY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THEM OR NOT TO DO IT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS ON THIS

DAIS. >> WE WOULD COUNT THE 2 PERCENT OR WHATEVER IT REQUIRED. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE. WE WOULD COUNT UP TO 10 PERCENT OF THE SITE COULD BE EV. ANYTHING OVER 10 PERCENT WOULD HAVE TO BE SURPLUS PARKING.

>> THAT'S FOR EXAMPLE SINCE WE USED WAWA WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF 15 REQUIRED 52 AND 5 VERSUS ? IF WE APPLY THAT THEORY TO OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS HYPOTHETICALLY WEATHERBY

NEGATIVE EFFECT TO THAT? >> RIVERSTONE SHOPS BASICALLY REQUIRES ABOUT 400 PARKING SPACES. THAT'S TAKE A LOOK.

>> THAT WOULD BE 40. >>.

>> I'M NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO 10 PERCENT.

>> UNDER THE 400 PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT, 2 PERCENT WOULD BE 8 SPACES WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED EV CHARGING STATIONS +8 INFRASTRUCTURE READY. UNDER THE TABLE, 400 PARKING SPACES WOULD REQUIRE 5 EV CHARGING SPACES. IF THEY PROVIDED MORE THAN 5 BUT, LESS THAN 40 10 PERCENT UP TO 40 COULD BE PROVIDED AS PARKING. IF THEY PROVIDED 50 3 HAVE TO PROVIDE 10 SURPLUS SPACES ABOVE WHAT THE CODE WOULD REQUIRE FOR THE

CENTER. >> THANK YOU. HERE'S A QUESTION TO ALL. WE WANT 40, IF ALLOWED PARKING SPACES TO BE

EV? >> I DON'T IMAGINE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE 40 AT THAT LOCATION.

>> IS NOT EXPECTING WE DON'T SEE 4-STORY HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY EITHER. IF WE ALLOWED IT THE MAYBE

SOMEONE WOULD BUILD ONE. >> IF SOMEONE HAS SURPLUS PARKING TO WANT THEM TO DISCOURAGE THE MAKING SURPLUS

SPACES EV? >> NOT SOMETHING EASY TO PUT IN

PLACE. THAT'S WHY WERE HERE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE COMMISSION WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS. IF THEY WANT TO SIT THERE AND TINKER WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THAT MEETING AND YOU'RE GOING TO REPRESENT OUR VIEWS AND WHATEVER WEIGHT WE'RE GOING TO REPRESENT THEM. IT COULD QUICKLY TURN TO WHERE THE COMMISSIONER LOOKS AT YOU

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ABOUT RETURN TO DO HERE. P>> THAT'S OUR JOB.

>> IT'S OUR JOB TO TAKE TICKLE?

>> TO GIVE THEM AN ORDINANCE. HOW ARE THE NUMBERS SO IMPORTANT BUT NOT HAVE A NUMBER IN IT?

>> YOU WILL HAVE A FIXED NUMBER ON WHAT THEY CAN HAVE?

>> HOW MANY COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING? WE'VE DONE THE VOTE ALREADY. WE PARTY SAID WERE NOT GONNA REQUIRE ANYTHING. WERE GONNA RECOMMEND NOT REQUIRING.

>> WHY MISSING SOMETHING. IF WE ARE ENCOURAGING IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND PUT 10 EV SPOTS AT THE WAWA. THAT'S

BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. >> TO THOSE 10 SPACES COUNT AS

PARKING SPACES? >> WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT

PART. GOT YOU. >> ONE AT A TIME.

>> MIGHT PHRASE IT, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PROVIDE UP TO 2 PERCENT REQUIRED. GOT TO TELL YOU. I DON'T WANT TO SEE 40 EV PARKING SPOTS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S CAN HAPPEN. ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA PARKING LOT, ANYONE THAT HAS A PARKING LOT THAT MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF SALES WILL FIND OUT HOW LUCRATIVE IT IS TO HAVE THESE THINGS PUT IN AND PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE. IT'S LIKE A BILLBOARD. SOME EXTRA USE OF MY PARKING LOT FOR USE THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR.

I THINK WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT A MAN ENTICING THE PARKING SPACE TO ENCOURAGE. I THINK WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT TESLA WANTS TO DO. THIS PUT 15 SPOTS AT WAWA. THAT'S NOT TO BOOST WAWA CELL. BEST TO MARKET FOR TESLA. THAT'S TO MAKE THE REVENUE GENERATOR UP TO 15 SPOTS. THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR COMMERCIAL GUIDELINES WERE DESIGNED FOR. THAT'S WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE 40 OF THEM. I WANT TO SEE A COUPLE OF THEM. SURE, THAT'S GREAT. I'M ALL FOR THAT.

>> I WILL INTERJECT SOMETHING I'VE SAID FOR MANY YEARS. 99 PERCENT OF THE TIME HAS BEEN FOR THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HUBBERT GRADING UNITS. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL

WHAT YOU WISH FOR. >> THESE ARE GUIDED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THEIR ONLY GONNA PUT THEM IN AFTER USING THEM. IF RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ARE USING THEM AND THEIR FULL

ALL THE TIME. >> TO THINK THE 15 SPOTS FROM TESLA ARE FOR RESIDENTS ON 441?

>> YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TO WAWA A CHARGER VEHICLE.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE GOVERNED. DO NOT GO TO GET A SPOT WHERE THERE'S 40. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THAT'S A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON THEM. THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY ON THE BOOKS I THINK WERE FORGETTING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT OF 441 IS. THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO BE THERE.

>> THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO AND DIFFERENT STORY.

AS WE TALK ABOUT PARKLAND AS A WHOLE AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THIS COULD BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHARGING STATIONS THROUGH PARKLAND. YOU CAN HAVE 500 CHARGING STATIONS.

>> I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. WE ALL KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. A COUPLE AT THE LIBRARY, A COUPLE AT THE PUBLIX. THOSE ARE FINE. BANKS OF CHARGING STATIONS ON 441.

IF THEY COULD PUT 15 AT WAWA WHAT COULD THEY PUT AT RIVERSTONE? LOOK AT THE OTHER PEOPLE PUT AT RIVERSTONE?

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> GENIE.

>> YOU'RE NOT COULD ALLOW IT, MEANING STAFF. IF THE WARNINGS ISN'T WRITTEN THAT PROHIBITS, IT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY DECISION OR ANALYSIS IS BASED ON AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS NUMBERS.

>> ARE BRINGING UP TO SHOW THE MARKET. JUST THE FIRST PERSON WHO WANTED TO DO THIS, TESLA OR WHATEVER IT IS. ON A 2 15 AT WAWA. THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO A LOT. IF WE SAID YES TO THAT THEY WOULD HAPPILY PUT 15 AT WAWA.

>> I THINK IT WILL HELP ALL THOSE BUSINESSES IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. IT WILL BE FOR THEM. THEY WILL ENCOURAGE

IT AND WANT MORE OF THEM. >> AS LONG AS YOU CAN SEE IT

THROUGH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> I THINK IT WILL DISRUPT THE FUNCTION OF THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT WILL PREVENT A NON-ELECTRIC VEHICLES FROM OTHERWISE USING SPACES WHERE

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THERE IS ALREADY. >> IN PLACES WITH THE PARKING IS TIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. IF YOU LOOK WE HAVE 5 MAJOR SHOPPING CENTERS IN THE CITY. ALL 5 OF THEM GENERALLY EXCEPT FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WE HAVE A POPULAR STORE. THOSE POSITIVES ARE GENERALLY SEVERELY OVER PARKED

PHYSICALLY FOR THEIR DEMAND. >> YOU MEAN MORE PARKING SPACES

THAN CARS. >> OBSOLETE. ON THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE YEAR AND THE LAW IS HALF-FULL. AT WAWA WORTH 50 SPACES AND IT'S A BUSY, BUSY STORE. A SINGLE SITE, F-15 IS PROBABLY TO MANY. AS FOR OKAY? PROBABLY WOULD BE FINE. HIS 15 AT RIVERSTONE SHOPS OKAY? IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET COMPANIES COMING IN TO ONE.

AND I COULD SEE ONE CHARGING STATION THERE. IT'S VERY UNUSUAL. THERE'S ONE AT CHICK-FIL-A AND WILES. IT'S A LITTLE BLANK STATION. ITS USE QUITE OFTEN. TESLA, WHEN THEY COME IN THEIR GOING TO COME IN THE GONNA DO 8 AT A TIME. AND THEN THERE CAN INCREASE TO PER STATION THAT COMES ON BOARD

AFTER THAT FOR THE FUTURE. >> LET'S GO BACK TO OUR VOTING SO WE CAN COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS.

>> RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU PROVIDE EV CHARGING SPACES, HOW MANY OF THOSE CAN COUNT TOWARDS YOUR REQUIRED PARKING?

>> OBVIOUSLY THIS IS FOR EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS AND

PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS? >> OR FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

>> IT WILL BE EQUAL. OKAY. WE HAD ONE VOTE SO FAR. I THINK

WE HAVE ONE. >> NO, WE DIDN'T CALL IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THE QUESTION NOW.

>> MAYBE WE CAN BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT IF I MAY MAKE A SUGGESTION. MAYBE WE COULD BREAK IT UP INTO 2 PIECES.

MAYBE THE FIRST QUESTION SINCE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AND ENCOURAGING SHOULD THERE BE ANY, DO WE THINK THERE IS ANY CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN TOWARDS THE MINOTAUR IN MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR EV SPACES. IN THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS GIVEN, THAT LOCATION REQUIRES 50 SPACES. RIGHT? IF THEY HAVE 52 SPACES ARE THEY GETTING CREDIT FOR MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT? IF THEY TAKE AWAY 5 SPACES TO PUT IN EV SPACES WHICH REDUCE THEM TO 47. 2 THEY GET ANY CREDIT FOR THAT OR THEY FILING THE CODE? THEY HAVE TO HAVE 50 REGULAR SPOTS.

IF THEY WENT TO THE EV THAT'S FINE. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT 50 REGULAR SPOTS FOR THE EXAMPLE THAT'S GIVEN. OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM CREDIT? THEN HE COULD ADDRESS, THEY SHOULD GET SOME CREDIT TOWARDS A MINIMUM PARKING. HOW

MUCH? >> DO YOU KNOW? NO WHAT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE ENCOURAGING PROVIDE CREDIT AND HOW THEY

ADDRESS IT THE. >> FROM MY RECOLLECTION AND I DO HAVE ALL THOSE ORDINANCES HERE. LOOK QUICKLY. MOST OF THEM ARE ALLOWING THEM TO BE COUNTED TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS NOT AN OVER ABUNDANCE BEING PROVIDED TYPICALLY. THE CITIES ARE PUSHING TO ENCOURAGE THESE.

LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BE COUNTED NOW YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM TO TAKE OUT GREEN SPACE TO PUT IN MORE PARKING. IT'S KIND OF DISCOURAGING THAT, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. TO MANY IS NOT A GOOD THING ALSO. YOU COULD PUT A MAX, A MINIMUM ENCOURAGED REQUIRED FOR THE 2 PERCENT OR TABLE REQUIREMENT IN A MAXIMUM OF 4 THEN, YOU KNOW 10 PERCENT OF THE SITE OR SOME NUMBER WORKS MAYBE WE SAY 5 PERCENT. I WILL GIVE A SUGGESTION. HOW ABOUT UP TO 50, SPACE CAN COUNT TOWARDS YOUR REQUIRED PARKING.

THAT WAY OF PEOPLE UNDER 50 WANT TO HAVE WHEN THEY COULD

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SEE HOW IT SAYS ONE ? 150 ON THE TABLE. OKAY THE TABLE BEGINS AT ONE. ADD A NEW COLUMN, A NEW PRO TO THE TABLE THAT'S A ZERO ? 50 ONE SPACE CAN COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION. AND THEN START THE NEXT ONE AT 50 ? 150 AND PUT THAT AT 2. FEKETE COUNT TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING. THEN RUN DOWN THE TABLE THAT WE HAVE IT UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THE SAME WAY.

NEXT I AGREE WITH THAT. JUST BECAUSE WERE ENCOURAGING IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT BENEFIT EVERYWHERE.

>> THAT'S 2 LOW. >> THAT'S A SUGGESTION. I THINK ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS WAY TO HIGH. BUT, ON ONE GUY.

>> THAT REGULATION WOULD BASICALLY BE AS STATED I THINK THAT REGULATION WOULD READ AS THAT THE REQUIRED MINIMUM NUMBER OF EV SPACES ARE COUNTABLE TOWARDS YOUR PROVIDED PARKING. ANYTHING ABOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED HAS TO BE

SURPLUS. >> THERE WOULD BE NO REQUIRED.

WERE JUST ENCOURAGING EV. IF YOU DO THIS WOULD BE HOW MANY.

THE WORD REQUIRED WILL BE GONE. WE ENCOURAGE AND IF YOU DO THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED TO YOUR PARKING COUNTS.

>> AND GAIL, THAT'S TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. IT GIVES YOU CREDIT FOR IT. NOW, A SEPARATE ISSUE WE TALKED ABOUT IT. THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.

>> LET'S DO THIS VOTE BASED ON THE QUESTION AND HAVING THE ADDED TABLE BASED ON DAVID'S RECOMMENDATION ZERO ? 50 BEING

ONE AND ? ?. >> THERE IS NOT A 3 ON THE TABLE. IT'S BASICALLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUS GIVING PEOPLE UP TO THAT LOW ONE. UP TO 50 THEY

GET ONE. >> I CALLED FOR THE YES, SIR NO BASED ON DAVID'S RECOMMENDATION. IF ANYBODY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE VOTE QUESTION STATE IT. [VOTING]

>> SO GAIL. >> WE DID NOT JUST ENCOURAGE

PEOPLE TO PUT THE SPACES IN. >> GAIL GETS TO DO ANOTHER TABLE HOLD ON, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. WE DIDN'T DISCOURAGE. IF YOU'RE GOING UP BUT THE MAN THIS IS WHAT CAN COUNT TOWARD YOUR REQUIRED PARKING. WHERE WE DISCUSSED ENCOURAGING OR NOT WOULD BE WITH ACCOUNT. HOW MUCH CAN YOU

PUT IN? >> NO ONE IS LOOKING TO ADD IN

MORE PARKING SPACES. >> THEY MAY HAVE SURPLUS PARKING SPACES IN THEIR LOT BECAUSE THERE OVER PARKT.

>> I THINK THAT THE DEMAND IS THERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO UP THE NUMBERS AT SOME POINT. IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT AWAY. I THINK IF YOU START, START LOWER. I THINK MONDAY WORK IN A BIG CREATING AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW GAS VEHICLES THE PARKING LOT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CAN HAPPEN. I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A FLY WILL AFFECT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE 100 EV STATIONS IN A WALMART PARKING LOT. IT WILL HAPPEN. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE HERE. AT LEAST START WITH SOMETHING LOW AND THEN A BIT IF WE HAVE TO.

>> I AGREE WITH TODD. I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF TIMING. I JUST DON'T WANT, YOU AND I DISAGREE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DRIVING EV'S. I DON'T WANT TO OVER PARKT THE EV'S AND UNDER PARK THE GAS RIGHT NOW TO CREATE WORKING PROBLEMS. IF THIS STARTS PEOPLE AND RECEIVER HAVING A TREMENDOUS DEMAND FOR MORE EV'S AND CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE SPACES WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK. ASK WE GAVE THEM SOMETHING SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING

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THEM. >> CORRECT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A COTTAGE INDUSTRY OF EXCESS PARKING BE TURNED INTO EV CHARGING STATIONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RETAIL OR THE WAWA. DOES ALLEGRO GET TO HAVE ONE? DOES EVERYBODY GET TO CREATE A COMMERCE ACTIVITY BY LEASING CHARGING STATIONS FROM WHAT WAS OTHERWISE JUST A PARKING AREA?

THAT MAY BE FOR ANOTHER DAY. >> THAT'S WHY TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ALLOWED. SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ANTHONY AND SOME OF THE MASTER SITE PLANS GETS PRETTY CREATIVE WITH WHAT YOU CAN'T DO. CAN ONE OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS POINTED OUT PARCEL WITH JUST A DRIVE THROUGH CARWASH? FORMALS, 3 WALLS AND AN OPENING? JUST A ROOF AND 4 COLUMNS. CAN THEY PUT A DRIVE THROUGH CARWASH IF THERE'S NO BUILDING STRUCTURE OR AIR CONDITIONING? IN OTHER WORDS SOMEONE COULD GET CREATIVE. IT'S A PROPANE LIKE BJ'S. IT IS JUST A PROPANE PICKUP STATION. WE'VE GOT TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THINGS LIKE

THAT. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> ALSO SAY SOMEONE TO NOT HAVE SURPLUS PARKING. TO NOT HAVE SPACE TO PROVIDE IT. WANTED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EV CHARGING STATIONS. NOW THAT TECHNICALLY ON PAPER CREATES A PARKING SHORTAGE. THEY CAN ALWAYS REQUEST A WAIVER, VARIANCE FROM CITY COUNCIL FROM THE PARKING STANDARD. THE COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE IF THERE WAS A DEMAND FOR EV. IF THIS WAS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC. TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF EV.

THINK IT WOULD BE WAIVABLE AS A PARKING REDUCTION FOR REQUIRED

PARKING. >> LET'S FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT WE, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF US ARE ENCOURAGING AND WANT EV CHARGING STATIONS. OUR ROLE APPEAR IS TO CONTROL HOW THEY GET IMPLEMENTED AND SO WE CAN REGULATE IT. THE CITY STAFF CAN REGULATE WHAT WERE PUTTING FORWARD. DON'T LET ANYBODY THINK WERE TRYING TO RESTRICT THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE IS HERE. I WANT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE SOON AS WELL. OUR COMMENTS ARE NOT TO DISCOURAGE. FORGET WHETHER IT'S REQUIRED OR ENCOURAGED. WE ARE ALL ENCOURAGING AND THAT'S THANKFUL TO THE CITY AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE ORDINANCE FORWARD.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONTROLLED MENOPAUSE WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ZONING CODE AND KEEPING PARKLAND, PARKLAND.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK WERE DOWN TO THE LAST 2. ONE I THINK WILL BE FAIRLY SIMPLE THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT TABLE VERSUS PERCENTAGE. MULTIPLE USERS BEING REQUIRED ON A SITE OR ALLOWING ONE USER TO TAKE ALL AVAILABLE EV PARKING SPACES ON

ONE SITE? >> COKE VERSUS PEPSI.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE MARKET. THE MARKET DETERMINES THAT. IF THEY WANT TO GIVE EVERYTHING TO WHATEVER THAT OTHER ONE WAS.

THEN THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

>> FREE MARKET. NO VENDORS GOING TO COMMEND MAKE AN INVESTMENT WITH ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL MUST THEY CAN HAVE IT BASED ON THEIR AGREEMENT.

>> I THINK WERE GONNA SEE THE DEMAND FOR BE MORE OF A UNIVERSAL CHARGING'S STATION. NOT JUST TESLA.

>> ,YOU CHARGING PIGTAILS YOU HAVE?

>> TEST THAT MAKES A LOT OF MONEY SELLING THOSE AS WELL.

YEAH, YOU WERE SEE MORE THE BLANK MORE THAN ONCE OR UNIVERSAL. TESLA, THESE BROTHERS OUT. THEY DON'T WANT

TO KLOSTERMAN AREA. >> MR. TRACY?

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HANDOUT I GAVE YOU. THERE IS A CHART.

IT SHOWS THERE IS PRETTY MUCH NOW NORTH AMERICAN EUROPEAN STANDARD, A JAPANESE STANDARD AND TESLA STANDARD. SO THE NEW VEHICLES COMING OUT WHAT HAVE ONE OF THOSE 3 PLUGS FOR THE PQUICK CHARGER. THEN FOR THE LEVEL I AND LEVEL II. IT'S

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EVERYBODY ELSE USES. >> THANK YOU.

>> BY THE WAY WHEN ONE WERE TO GO TO ELECTRICAL WHOLESALE SUPPLY HOUSE. BESIDES OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE ON DISPLAY WITH LIGHTING AND LIGHT FIXTURES. THEY ALSO HAVE AN EV CHARGING STATIONS STANDING LIKE THEY LOOK LIKE THEIR GUMBALL

MACHINES. >> EXACTLY. OKAY, PROBABLY NO, WELL YOU'VE GOTTEN PAST THE COUPLE.

>> WE ARE OPEN MARKET LAST BUT NOT LEAST WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE TABLE. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN UP CURRENTLY IT'S 2 PERCENT OF YOUR REQUIRED PARKING MUST BE EV STATIONS. 2 PERCENT MUST BE EV READY. FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS WAS THAT THAT REQUIREMENTS ARE TO LOW THE CLEAN CITY COALITION RECOMMENDED 10 PERCENT. WE STOPPED THINK THAT'S 2 HIGH.

IF YOU LOOK AT TESLA'S PROPOSAL READ, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED ON ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO TO ZERO ? 50 AND THEN 50 ? 150. THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE TO MAKE ON THE TABLE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TABLE REQUIRES LESS PARKING THAN THE 2 PERCENT ACROSS THE BOARD SO YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE 500 SPACES REQUIRES 6 EV CHARGING STATIONS. THAT'S ABOUT 1.1 PERCENT. BASED ON THE 500 THAT'S ONE PERCENT 150 ? 350. THAT'S A RANGE FROM ONE ? 2 PERCENT. IF YOU'RE AT 151 IT'S ABOUT 2 PERCENT. IF YOU'RE AT 350 IT'S ABOUT ONE PERCENT. SINCE THE BOARD SAID THEY WANT TO GO TO ENCOURAGE RECOMMENDED WIRE WE EVEN TAKING OR TALKING

ABOUT THIS TABLE. >> I THANK YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED IF THE COMMISSION GOES WITH THIS BEING REQUIRED. WHAT WHICH ARE RECORD NUMBER BE? IS IT GOOD TO BE THE 2 PERCENT, ANOTHER PERCENTAGE OR SOME TABLE SIMILAR OR MODIFIED? THE TABLE REQUIRES LESS THAN 2 PERCENT GENERALLY ACROSS THE BOARD. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE MOST LENIENT REQUIREMENT

IT'S GOING TO BE THE TABLE. >> ECHOES TO MY EARLIER POINT.

IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MANDATED NUMBER LET THEM TINKER WITH IT.

>> WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM OUR RECOMMENDATION.

>> OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ENCOURAGE ABOUT HOW THAT NUMBER. THEY COULD DO A NUMBER OF THINGS. I SUGGEST, IF YOU HAVE THE MANDATED NUMBER LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT. IS RECOMMENDING AND ENCOURAGING. JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEAR. THE ENCOURAGEMENT BUT THERE'S ALSO BACKUP PLAN. THAT DOESN'T STATE WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE THE POLICY. I WILL STAND BY WHAT I SAID. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PROVIDE ANY NUMBERS. IF THEY WANTED TO GO WITH THAT, LET THEM DO IT.

>> IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN THE OFF CHANCE THAT IT DOES MOVE FORWARD THEY DO WANT TO REQUIRE IT. I WOULD GO WITH TESLA'S NUMBER. WHICH, I WOULD NOTE IS 1/15 WHAT THEY'VE ASKED TO PUT OUT WAWA. UP TO 50 THEY SAY ONE SPACE IS RECOMMENDED.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMEND FOR LEVEL I AND LEVEL II.

>> THAT'S TESLA'S RECOMMENDATION.

>> THEY ARE A SMART COMPANY. >> ONE SPACES WHETHER RECOMMENDED. I GUESS MY SUGGESTION IS. BUT WITH THE TESLA TABLE. IF THEY WANT TO GO WITH A REQUIRED NUMBER.

THEY ARE THE HUNDRED POUND GORILLA. THAT'S OUR

RECOMMENDATION. >> CONSIDER THE SOURCE. TESLA WILL PUT A LOW NUMBER BECAUSE THEY WILL ALWAYS MEET THAT LOWER NUMBER. THE TESLA STANDARDS, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE CATEGORIES, THE LOWEST PERCENTAGE IS .8 PERCENT OF THE OVERALL PARKING LOT. .8 BOOKS I RECOMMEND WE VOTE ON OFFICIAL AS WE HAVE BEEN. I PUT FORWARD TO USING STAFFS RECOMMENDATION

NUMBERS. >> 2 PERCENT IS THE ORDINANCE.

GOING BACK TO WHERE OTHER CITIES ARE. MOST EVERYONE IS AT 2 PERCENT. SOME ARE AT 3 AND 5. SOME REQUIRE HIGHER

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THEY'VE NOW RAISED THAT SUBSTANTIALLY. 2 PERCENT IS PRETTY STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY. SOME STUDIES ARE LOOKING AT 3 OR 5 PERCENT. WHEN YOU GET UP IN THE 15 TO 20 PERCENT THERE ARE NOT MANY CITIES THAT ARE DOING THOSE

HIGH NUMBERS. >> WHAT ABOUT YOUR TABLE REMOVING THE 0 TO 50. IT WOULD ONLY BE REQUIRED AT 51 SPACES.

ANYTHING BELOW THAT NUMBER ?. >> PERFECT. PERFECT.

>> I LIKE THAT AS WELL. POINT OF INFORMATION X 50 ? 150 WOULD

BE TO. >> 51 ? 150 WOULD BE TO. THE SAME TABLE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. MAKE IT SIMPLE. ASK A VERY WISE PLANNER SUGGESTED THAT.

>> DOESN'T EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? THAT'S WHAT ON THAT.

>> PERCENTAGES VERSUS TABLE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ELECT PERCENTAGE YOU NEED TO GIVE ME THE NUMBER. IF IT'S NOT 2 PERCENT. IF YOU CANNOT ELECT THE TABLE TELL ME HOW YOU

RECOMMEND IT TO BE MODIFIED. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THIS IS IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO REQUIRE. THAT'S EV SPACES BE PROVIDED. THIS IS WHAT THE COURT IS RECOMMENDING.

>> IF THEY GO WITH ENCOURAGED ALL THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL REQUIRE ANY PERCENTAGE, WHETHER IT BE SPACES OR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S ALL GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED. IF YOU PROVIDED HERE ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS. EVERYTHING ELSE ABOVE THAT, THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS WILL STAY. THE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL STAY WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR CLARITY OF LANGUAGE. ANY OTHER STANDARDS THAT ARE SETTING UP PERCENTAGES WITH HOW MANY NOW AND HOW MANY LATER WHAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED FOR LATER. THAT WILL ALL BE REMOVED. WHILE WE WOULD HAVE OUR DEFINITIONS AND DESIGN IF YOU PROVIDED THIS IS WHAT HAS

LOOK LIKE. >> ALSO IF IT SAYS ENCOURAGED WHAT AMOUNT CAN CREDIT TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING?

>> YES. WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST THROW THAT INTO THE PARKING

STRUCTURE OF THE CODE. >> YOU STATE THE PROPOSED TABLE INSTEAD OF A VOTE AND HAVE EACH ONE OF US RATTLING OFF? SWIVEL

CONCRETE OR FINITE VOTE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON YOUR LAST CONVERSATION IS THAT IT WOULD MODIFY THE TABLE TO THE FIRST LINE WOULD READ 51 ? 150 WOULD REQUIRE 2. 151 ? 350 WOULD REQUIRE 4. FURTHER ON 350 ? 500, 5. MORE THAN 500 WOULD

BE 6. >> OKAY. START THE BOAT.

>> THIS IS LESS THAN THE 2 PERCENT THAT SKIRT CURRENTLY IN

THE ORDINANCE. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> I BELIEVE THE BOARD IS LETTING TOWARD SUPPORTING THE TABLE WITH THE TERM I JUST STATED.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] [VOTING] >> BY THE WAY I KNOW YOU WILL KNOW WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE OUR CITY COMMISSION TO LISTEN TO AND/OR READ OUR MEETING MINUTES. BESIDES THE INFORMATION YOU'RE SETTING FORTH. JUST ON THE HANDFUL OF BOATS SO THEY COULD ABSORB ALL OF OUR INPUT. I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL. ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO AT NIGHT.

>> I TAKE NOTES THAT WOULD LISTEN TO THE BOAT TAPE.

>> ARE "WHETHER WERE TO BRING IT BACK?

>> THAT WOULD BE NEXT. >> THAT WILL BE A FORMAL VOTE.

THAT WILL BE MOTION. >> WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE UNDERLINING OUTING WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND WITH THOSE KEY ITEMS.

>> I WOULD LIKE A MOTION AS WE AMEND AS WE DISCUSSED AND BRING

IT BACK TO HER NEXT MEETING. >> IS THEIR SECOND BASED ON

DAVID'S MOTION? P>> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY ANTHONY. CALL FOR THE VOTE. DOES EVERYBODY

UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? >> TO FURTHER OUT INTO THE NEXT EATING AND BRING THE AMENDED VERSION THAT WAS DISCUSSED

TONIGHT. >> CALL FOR THE BOAT

[03:00:08]

PLEASE.[VOTING] >> 4 ? 3.

>> SO MOTION CARRIES AND THE ORDINANCE BASED ON THE COMMENTS, I'M JUST SUMMARIZING X HANG ON ONE SECOND CHAIR. I WANT TO GET THE VOTE TALLY CORRECT.

>> 3 GUESSES FOR NOSE. >> THE QUESTION MOST TO DEFER

IN THE VOTE WAS NOT TO DEFER. >> I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER. WE GOTTA FINISH THIS ORDINANCE. WE SHOULD SEND A COMPLETED DRAFT TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT'S WHAT WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. NEXT I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING CLEAR THOUGH.

>> CAN THE MEMBER MAKE A MOTION AGAIN? YOU GENERALLY DON'T MAKE IT AFTER ABOUT THOSE ON THE NOSE SIDE.

LIKE I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. SOON WHAT CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION, FRIENDLY REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION? ARE YOU RECOMMENDING APPROVAL? USUALLY YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL?

>> WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> WITH AMENDMENTS. SOON IT CAN WE BE CLEAR WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED AND WILL BE ENCOURAGED IT WILL, TO THE EXTENT THEY PUT IN TV PARKING SPACES WE WILL USE THE CHART DISCUSSED ON THE RECORD.

AS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CREDIT THAT THEY COULD GET FOR EV PARKING.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEY WILL KEEP SCREENING THEY WILL USE PARKING FROM 0 TO 51 AND 52 152 506 AND DOING ? TO ENCOURAGE PARKING NOT TO BE REQUIRED IF IT IS REQUIRED WE ASK THAT YOU UTILIZE THAT TABLE THAT WE MENTIONED AS BACKUP BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

>> AS AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR PRIOR MOTION?

>> THANK YOU I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

>> ALEX MOTION ASHLEY SECOND. CALL FOR THE VOTE.

>> NO.

>>.

>> 'S >> NO.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMING BACK TO WESTBURY.

THE MOTION CARRIES TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND I WILL REITERATE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COMMISSION PNOT ONLY TAKE THE EMOTION CONTENTS AND ALSO TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE OUR EVER SO IMPORTANT COMMENTS TOWARDS THE ORDINANCE.

[9. Comments from the Planning & Zoning Director]

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO ANY COMMENTS FROM GAIL.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND HEALTH.

WE WILL NOT BE HAVING A MEETING NEXT MONTH.

SO THE NEXT TIME WE WILL BE SEEING YOU WILL BE DECEMBER AND YOUR NEW BOARD APPOINTMENTS WILL GO INTO PLACE NOVEMBER 16 SO OUR FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER MAYBE WITH SOME OF YOU IF YOU REMAIN ON THE BOARD OR WE MIGHT HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS AND WE WILL HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY AT THE FIRST DECEMBER MEETING. AS A PRESENTATION OF THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEIR JURISDICTION.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SERVING AGAIN PLEASE UT YOUR NAME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE DIRECT APPOINTEES AND SOME ARE APPOINTED AT LARGE SO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOUR COMMISSIONERS OR CONSIDER THE AT-LARGE POSITION ALSO.

>> THANK YOU MR. TRACY FOR STICKING IT OUT SO LONG WITH US.

>> I NEEDED HIM.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.