May 12, 2022 Planning and Zoning

[1. Call to Order]

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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO THE CITY OF PARKLAND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD 6 PM TO ORDER. EVERYBODY, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

[4. Approval of Minutes]

BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS THE GAVEL AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH TWO NOTES, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? AND AGAIN, IF I'M INCORRECT, I'LL STAND CORRECTED.

UNDER THE NATHANIEL KLITSBERG, THE BOARD STATES UNANIMOUSLY TO EXCUSES ABSENCE? UNLESS YOU SAID THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUCK ONE OTHER NOTE IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND HOWEVER APPROPRIATE IT WOULD BE -- THE MINUTES, SINCE THEY ARE NOT WRITTEN VERY DETAILED AND SPECIFIC BECAUSE THEY ARE RECORDED, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT -- UNLESS IT APPEARS THERE AND I DIDN'T SEE IT, AN INDICATION THAT IF SOMEBODY IS NOT ABLE, IN THE PUBLIC, TO GET A RECORDING OR LISTEN TO IT FROM AN INTERNET STANDPOINT OR WHATEVER METHOD IT WOULD BE, AND A WRITTEN TRANSCRIPT WOULD BE PROVIDED OF THE MINUTES. IF REQUESTED.

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION

TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC.

IF THERE IS ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK UPON, SAYING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR -- -- WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY HELLO

[7. Approval of the Agenda]

ARE THERE ANY CHANGES? >> HI, GOOD EVENING, BOARD.

IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT YOUR EMAIL YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE, WE DID HAVE A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE. NEW COMBINED TOPICS ON ORDINANCES, IT'S NECESSARY THAT THEY BE A RELATED TOPIC, OR EACH OF THE TITLES HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED INDIVIDUALLY.

ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, HE DIDN'T FEEL THE DRIVEWAY REGULATIONS WERE RELATED ENOUGH TO THE TURF ORDINANCE. SO WE DID PULL THAT OUT OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT YOU RECEIVED.

TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS JUST THE TURF PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE. THE VERY LAST SECTION, I BELIEVE IT WAS SECTION 304, HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED.

AND IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AND ORDINANCE ALL ON ITS OWN AND NOT COMBINED WITH ANY OTHER TOPIC. SO TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS SYNTHETIC TURF'S AND NEXT MEETING WILL BE DRIVEWAY

WITH. >> SO THE ATTORNEY FOUND A WAY

[8.A. Ordinance 2022-007: Amending Synthetic Turf Regulations Consideration of an Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, amending the City of Parkland Land Development Code, by amending Article 95 "Landscaping and Vegetation"; Section 95-1600 "Synthetic Turf" to modify regulations applicable to the installation of synthetic turf; by amending Article 90 "Off-Street Parking and Loading"; Section 90-520 "Location, Character, and Size" to provide regulations relating to driveway widths for single-family dwelling units; providing for implementation, conflict, severability and an effective date.]

[LAUGHTER] >> AT THIS TIME, I WILL READ THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM A INTO THE RECORD.

>> FOR THE RECORD, IT'S ALL UNDER RETAINER! THAT WOULD NOT BE HOURLY!

[LAUGHTER] >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEM A, ORDINANCE 2022-007 AMENDING SYNTHETIC TURF REGULATIONS.

AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE XCV LANDSCAPE AND VEGETATION SEXING 951600 SYNTHETIC TURF MODIFIED

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THE SECOND HALF OF WHAT I'M READING IS NOT APPLICABLE.

>> WRIGHT, THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE TITLE INTO THE RECORD?

>> YEAH, SURE. >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-007 AMENDING THE PARKLAND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (INDISCERNIBLE) SECTION 95-1600 SYNTHETIC TURF TO MODIFY REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE INSTALLATION OF SYNTHETIC TURF.

PROVIDING FOR (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THANK YOU.

WHAT HE SAID. >> OKAY, GOOD EVENING.

SO TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE PROVISIONS TO SYNTHETIC TURF. THIS ORDINANCE, PRIOR TO OCTOBER 2020, THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS ADDRESSING SYNTHETIC TURF. SO SOME REGULATIONS WERE ADDED BY THE (INDISCERNIBLE) GROUP. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IT, BUT WHAT CAME TO LIGHT MORE RECENTLY IS A CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF SYNTHETIC TURF THAT CAN BE PROVIDED IN THE REAR YARD.

SOME MAY BE KIND OF A LITTLE PICTURE TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHY WE ARE HERE, WHAT THE CURRENT REGULATION IS.

AND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE REVISIONS, WHAT POTENTIALLY THE END RESULT COULD BE. KIND OF LOOKING AT A SORT OF TYPICAL LOT AND WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

SO LET ME GO TO A DIFFERENT DIAGRAM HERE -- IF YOU CAN SEE THIS. SO UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATION, THERE'S TWO REGULATIONS THAT ARE OF PARTICULAR INTEREST. THE ONE REGULATIONS HAS THAT SYNTHETIC HER STOMACH TURF CAN ONLY BE PROVIDED IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS. THAT'S TO KEEP THE FRONT YARDS LOOKING MORE UNIFORM IN APPEARANCE.

ALTHOUGH THE QUALITY OF SYNTHETIC TURF HAS IMPROVED GREATLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENTKINDS OF SHADES OF GREEN AND VARIETY , DEPENDING ON THE COST AND THE QUALITY.

SO IT'S BEEN CONTAINED IN THE REAR YARD SO VISUALLY, THERE ARE FENCES OR SHRUBS SEPARATING IT.

AND IT'S NOT AS NOTICEABLE FROM A STREET VIEW.

UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATION, THOUGH, WHAT IT DOES IS REQUIRE A CALCULATION BASED ON YOUR LOT SIZE.

AS AN EXAMPLE, I TOOK A TYPICAL LOT LIKE WE MIGHT SEE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND IT IS 60 BY 120.

7200 SQUARE FEET. IN THE PRD, THERE IS A 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. SO THAT MEANS BETWEEN YOUR DRIVEWAYS, YOUR SIDEWALKS AND HOUSE, POOL DECKS AND PATIOS, YOU ARE GOING TO COVER ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF THE LOT.

THE MAIN NING 40 PERCENT SHOULD BE GREEN AREA.

UNDER REGULATION, THAT GREEN AREA ONLY ALLOWS 10 PERCENT OF THAT REQUIRED GREEN AREA TO BE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

SOPHIE'S TAKE THE TYPICAL 7200 SQUARE-FOOT LOT, YOU ARE GOING TO BE EXPECTED SEE ABOUT 2800 TO 3000 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN AREA TYPICALLY. BUT THE CALCULATION IS GOING TO SAY ONLY 10 PERCENT OF THAT 40 PERCENT REQUIRED OPEN SPACE CAN BE SYNTHETIC TURF. SO WHEN YOU TAKE 10 PERCENT OF THAT 28 OR 2900 SQUARE FEET OF REQUIRED GREEN SPACE AND SAY ONLY 10 PERCENT OF THAT CAN BE TURF -- THE SYNTHETIC TURF -- YOU ARE LIMITED TO ABOUT 285 TO 290 SQUARE FEET.

THE LOT I'M SHOWING YOU AS AN EXAMPLE DOESN'T HAVE A POOL.

(INDISCERNIBLE) THE PATIO. THE SPACE WOULD BE ABOUT 24, 25 FEET WIDE BY 15 FOOT DEEP. SO IN THIS TYPICAL SCENARIO, THAT WOULD BE IT. A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE SAYING THERE ARE POLES STUCK THERE ONLY DOING A TWO FOOT STRIP AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE EDGE OF THE POOL DECK TO STABILIZE THAT DIRT AND MULCH. AND OTHER THINGS ARE COMING ONTO THE POOL DECK. YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY LIMITING RIGHT NOW. SO THE REQUEST WE HAVE BEEN GETTING IS MORE OF WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE.

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OR ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR DECK THEY WANT TO BASICALLY DO EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THE HOA'S ALSO ARE NOT ALLOWING SYNTHETIC TURF IN THE FRONT YARDS. SO THE DISCUSSION IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IS ONLY LOOKING FOR THE SIDE AND REAR OF THE YARD. SO THE LEFT DIAGRAM IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. IF WE FULLY IMPLEMENTED THE CHANGES WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, WE WOULD BE WITH THE RIGHT DIAGRAM -- THE DIAGRAM SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.

SO LET'S GET INTO, NOW, THE ORDINANCE.

AND GO CHANGE BY CHANGE OF WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE. SO WERE DEALING IN SECTION 95 -1600 AND THOSE ARE THE SYNTHETIC TURF REGULATIONS.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED JUST THE CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE, AND NOT THINGS THAT WERE OKAY, REVIEWED, AND FOUND ACCEPTABLE.

SO STARTING WITH B, WE JUST CHANGED THE LANGUAGE UP A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT READ A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

BASICALLY, THIS SAYS THAT THE SYNTHETIC TURF IS LIMITED TO THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS, EXCEPT IN THE FRONT.

YOU CAN ONLY HAVE IT IF IT'S LIKE THE TINY STRIPS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE DRIVEWAY.

AND YOU SEE THE SQUARE TURF WITH A GRID PATTERN THAT HAS SMALL, TWO OR THREE INCH STRIPS BETWEEN THE CONCRETE OR PAVER BLOCKS. SO THERE WOULD BE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT IN THE FRONT YARD THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.

THE INSTALLATION ON NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES UNDER C REQUIRES (INDISCERNIBLE) BOARD APPROVAL PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, BUT IT'S WAY AT THE BACK OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE.

SO RATHER HAVING IT OUT THERE, I MOVED IT UP TO THE FRONT.

SO WE CAN GO THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS NONRESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS THE REST OF THE DETAILS INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT IN THE BACK.SO MOVING ON TO EE.

THE ONLY CHANGE UNDER NUMBER 3 IS WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR IT WAS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RIGHTS OF WAY.

SO WHETHER YOU ARE IN A HOA WITH A ROAD EASEMENT (INDISCERNIBLE) OR ROAD PARCEL, OR YOU HAVE ROAD EASEMENT ON YOUR LOT, OR WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, YOU CAN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT ANY DRAINAGE. OKAY.

SEVEN, WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN D. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO CUT OFF THE IRRIGATION APPROXIMATE TO THE SYNTHETIC TURF.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE BECAUSE WERE NOT USING AS MUCH WATER.E ARE NOT GENERATING WATER ONTO THE SURFACE THAT REQUIRES MORE DRAINAGE. SO I HAVE ALEX WITH ENGINEERING HERE AND PATTY, THE ARBORIST. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS WHETHER SYNTHETIC TURF IS BENEFICIAL FOR DRAINAGE OR IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THE WESTERN AREAS, THEY ARE TELLING ME IT IS BENEFICIAL.

UNDER G, THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKED ABOUT NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. IT'S BEEN DELETED, BUT IT'S JUST BEEN RELOCATED OUT TO THE FRONT OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO EACH HAS TO DO WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR SYNTHETIC TURF. NOW, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THOSE PERCENTAGES AND HAD TO RUN THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS UNDER NUMBER 2, WHICH IS HE NEEDED TO SHOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PERCENTAGES IN THE AREAS OF THE TURF. JUST GIVING SIDE AND REAR YARDS, THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.

WE DON'T NEED RESIDENTS TO GO THROUGH THAT CALCULATION.

WHAT WASN'T INCLUDED WAS NUMBER 1. IS WE DO NEED A SURVEY SHOWING US WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED AT.

AND THEN, AYE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT HAPPENS WITH THIS ORDINANCE. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WHERE THE 10 PERCENT CAP COMES IN. IT'S AT THE VERY BACK OF THE ORDINANCE . IT'S THE SECTION THAT IS TRULY CREATING THE ISSUE BY CAPPING IT AT LIKE 280 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NOT WHAT MOST RESIDENTS WANT.

GENERALLY, THE ENTIRE REAR YARD, SOMETIMES THE SIDE YARD, DEPENDING ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS.

WE DO HAVE SOME STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN

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SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. AND ALSO, I DID REACH OUT TO SEVERAL OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS TO SEE WHAT THEIR POLICIES ARE, BUT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON SYNTHETIC TURF.

I SPOKE WITH CYPRUS HEAD, (INDISCERNIBLE) COUNTRY CLUB, MAYOR LAGO, MILL RUN, WHITTIER OAKS AND HERE AND BE.

THERE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS (INDISCERNIBLE) ALLOW IT IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARD. CYPRUS HAD DOES NOT ALLOW IT PERIOD. THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEIR COMMUNITY, I THINK IT WAS MILL RUN, THAT DOESN'T PERMIT IT EITHER. THEY ARE OPEN TO POTENTIALLY CHANGING THEIR DOCS AS MORE PEOPLE ARE INQUIRING.

IN CYPRUS HEAD, SHE TOLD ME IN THE BACK THEY WERE ALLOWED A VERY LIMITED USE BECAUSE HOMEOWNERS DOCS DON'T PERMIT IT. BUT THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT. SO I THINK WE HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND VISUALLY, I'VE DRIVEN PAST THE HOME -- I LIVE OFF OF ANN FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE I ACTUALLY REALIZED THERE SIDE YARD WAS ARTIFICIAL TURF.

PTHE QUALITY AND APPEARANCE IS MUCH BETTER THAN A FEW YEARS BACK. IT'S IMPROVED GREATLY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. OR DRAINAGE OR LANDSCAPE

ISSUES? >> THANK YOU.

LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

AND IF ANY ARE DIRECTED TO ENGINEERING OR LANDSCAPE

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> OKAY.

AND I WENT BACK TO THIS DIAGRAM.

IF THE CAP COMES OFF, THE 10 PERCENT CAP, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM WOULD BE SIDE AND REAR SUBJECT TO HOA APPROVAL.

IN MAINTAINING THAT MINIMUM 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I'M DEFINITELY A FAN OF SYNTHETIC TURF. BUT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

THE IMAGE YOU SHOW ON THE RIGHT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SIDE YARD, I WORRY THAT THE SIDE YARD QUICKLY BECOMES THE FRONT YARD. ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE SMALLER LOTS. YOU LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT, HOW CLOSE TO THE FRONT YARD THAT IS?

>> RIGHT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE ORDINANCE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO IT, BUT SET A LIMIT ON THE SIDE YARD. HALF OF THEIR STRUCTURE OR THEIR HOME, THEY CAN ONLY GO UP HALF OF THEIR HOME.

SO IT CAN'T CREEP IN THE FRONT YARD.

BECAUSE REALLY, THERE IS SUCH LIMITED FRONT YARD SPACE NOW.

I JUST GET WORRIED THAT THAT SIDE YARD -- YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. AND OF ALL THE HOMES HAVE THAT, THAT REALLY BECOMES A FRONT YARD.

SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT STOP ABOUT HALFWAY OR TWO THIRDS. SO AT LEAST YOU HAVE GRASS OR SHRUBS IN THE FRONT YARD BRETT: BLOCKING THAT.

>> ALEX, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

MY THOUGHTS ARE THE GRASS CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS

THINKING. >> EXACTLY.

>> IT COULD BE ON THE SIDE, BUT IT CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROADWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PLACE

YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS? >> I THINK WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS WE CAN CONSIDER. WE CAN COME BACK AND MAYBE DO A BOAT TO SEE THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.

WE CAN EITHER REQUIRE IT TO BE -- THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF CITIES THAT HAVE VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR SYNTHETIC TURF.

LIGHTHOUSE POINT IS THE ONLY OTHER CITY THAT I COULD FIND.

AND (NAME) DID THAT ORDINANCE. OUR ORDINANCE IS AN EXACT DUPLICATE OF THEIR ORDINANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 10 PERCENT RULE. WHICH IS NOT IN THE LIGHTHOUSE POINT ORDINANCE. OTHER CITIES, IF THEY HAVE SYNTHETIC TURF, JUST AS IN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD.

AND A LOT OF THEM SAY SCREEN FROM VIEW FROM THE FRONT STREET. WE COULD DO THAT WITH HEDGES OR FENCES. ALSO, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FENCE LOCATIONS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CODES THAT HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAY YOU CAN'T COME FURTHER THAN THE MIDPOINT OF THE HOUSE UNLESS -- NOW WITH FENCES, YOU HAD BEDROOMS OR BATHROOMS IN THE FRONT HALF AND YOU CAN COME AS FAR FORWARD AS IS BEDROOM OR BATHROOM WINDOWS. WITH SYNTHETIC TURF, WE COULD DO MIDPOINT OF THE HOUSE. AND IT COULD BE AN OPTION TO ALLOW THE SYNTHETIC TURF TO EXTEND, SEE IF THERE IS A DOORWAY AT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE COMING FROM THE GARAGE, TO ALLOW THAT AREA TO BE STABILIZED FROM THE GARAGE DOOR

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MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. >> I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE MIDPOINT AND I ALSO LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SCREENING.

THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. MIDPOINT.

OR IF YOU CAN'T SCREEN IT, BUT IF YOU CAN, (INDISCERNIBLE).

THE OTHER THING WE MENTION -- I GUESS IT'S EMAC ON THE DEPTH -- THE FOUR INCHES OF ROCK GOING UNDER THE SYNTHETIC TURF? A NUMBER 1, BEFORE, PER THE MANUFACTURE, BUT THEN WE WRITE IN THE FOUR INCHES. WHERE IS AT FOUR INCHES COMING FROM OF ROCK? IS THAT FROM ENGINEERING OR DRAINAGE? OR IS THAT AN INDUSTRY STANDARD

FOR SYNTHETIC TURF? >> THAT LANGUAGE IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ORIGINATED FROM. BUT IF WE HAVEN'T ONE THAT'S PRESCRIBED BY THE MANUFACTURER, WE COULD CUT TO OFF -- IT HAS TO BE (INDISCERNIBLE) PREPARED WITH COMPACTED GRAVEL

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW -- FOR CAME FROM. IF WE WANTED TO -- (LAUGHING) ON PUTTING MR. (NAME) ON THE SPOT.

>> PATTY, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBGRADE OF

ARTIFICIAL TURF? >> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> COME UP, IF YOU WOULD, SO WE CAN CAPTURE IT ON THE RECORD.

>> I DO KNOW IN THE INSTALLATION PROCESS -- I MEAN, I'VE BEEN (INDISCERNIBLE) THAT TURF FOR 10 YEARS NOW.

AND THE BOTTOM LAYER OF THE AGGREGATE IS ALWAYS THE STONE.

SO WE DO HAVE POSITIVE DRAINAGE AND FLOW.

AND THAT HELPS KEEP THE LONGEVITY OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THERE. WE WANTED TO LAST LONGER.

I THINK A LOT OF THE TURF LAST ABOUT 10 YEARS BEFORE REALLY STARTS TO BREAK DOWN. BUT IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MOISTURE UNDERNEATH THERE, YOU END UP WITH VOIDS AND SUCKING US AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.

(INDISCERNIBLE). WE WENT POSITIVE DRAINAGE TO STAY THERE.

INCHES THEN? >> I THINK THE PORTION IS GOOD OF THE ROCK. BECAUSE THE NEXT LAYER IS THE WHITE SILICA WITH ROCKS IN IT. AND THEN, THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT EIGHT INCHES. IN THE FINAL LAYER IS JUST TWO INCHES OF THE SILICA SAND. IT KEEPS IT STRONG, TOO.

YOU DON'T WANT IT TO (INDISCERNIBLE) AND WIGGLE.

>> OKAY. WHILE YOU ARE UP THERE, HOW ABOUT ON THE SIDE YARDS NOT HAVING LANDSCAPE -- LIVE LANDSCAPE ON THE SIDE? LIKE A TWO FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOUSES? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON PUTTING SYNTHETIC TURF RIGHT UP TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE AND NOT HAVING ANY BUFFERS? I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THE LEAF BLOWERS BLOWING LEAVES UP THERE TURF.

WHERE ARE THEY BLOWING THAT? RIGHT INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S YARD. SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT NOT HAVING ANY SETBACK AT ALL TO THE FENCING?

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT TO THE REAR OR SIDE HEDGES. ANY TYPE OF BUFFERING WITH SIDE AND NOT TURF, IT GOES HOUSE TO HOUSE.

(INDISCERNIBLE). I'M SEEING A LOT OF, AND I'M OUT THERE EVERY DAY, AS I SEE THE NEIGHBORS COMING TOGETHER AND PUTTING THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FROM WALL TO WALL INSTEAD OF SOD. WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR DRAINAGE IS THEY ARE ACTUALLY INCLUDING DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THE ROCKS AND UNDER THE AGGREGATE.

AND THEY ARE TYING THEIR DOWNSPOUTS INTO THAT DRAIN AND CONNECTING TO THE CULVERTS THAT WE ARE MAKING ALL THE DEVELOPERS PUTTING IN NOW. SO THE GUTTERS AND THE DRAINS ARE NOT POURING ONTO THE TOP OF THE TRUTH THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE

TURF. >> SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES FOR NOT HAVING ANY SETBACKS FROM NEIGHBOR TO

NEIGHBOR ON THE SITE FENCES? >> I'M SEEING THE OPPOSITE.

I'M SEEING COOPERATION WITH NEIGHBORS.

OKAY, YOU DO IT AND I DO IT. THEN THEY BRING THE PAVER STONES AND THE TURF BETWEEN THE PAPER STONES IN THE FRONT YARD.

IN THEIR DRAINS COME ALL THE WAY -- DRAINAGE NOW. MORE IF YOU ARE BLOWING LEAVES OFF OF THE TURF, HOW ARE YOU MAINTAINING THE TURF ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS? YOU JUST BLOW THE LEAVES IN THE

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NICK'S YARD? P>> (INDISCERNIBLE) LET'S HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY, THEY ARE VERY, VERY GOOD MAINTENANCE COMPANIES. THERE'S ONE COMPANY THAT IS DOING THREE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.

AND ANOTHER (INDISCERNIBLE) COMPANY IS DOING THE FOURTH DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. THEY GO EVERY WEEK.

WHEN THEY DO THEIR WORK AND THEIR BLOWING? EVERYTHING CLOSE TO THE FRONT AND EVERYTHING IS PICKED UP.

NOBODY BLOWS BACK IN ANYBODY'S YARD, BECAUSE ON THE CALL HOA AND THEN THERE'S THIS AND THAT! [LAUGHTER]

>> I WAS THINKING SHOULD WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE AN LANDSCAPE BUFFER BUT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING OUT.

>> MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES, THEY HAVE A DAILY GUY OUT THERE BLOWING (INDISCERNIBLE) EVERY DAY.

>> PERFECT. IN MY LAST COMMENT WAS ON THE SURVEY. ON SECTION H. THE SURVEY, SHOULD WE REQUIRE THEM TO SHOW ELEVATIONS ON THAT SURVEY? IF WE ARE SAYING IT SHOULDN'T ADVERSE ANY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS, I IMAGINE A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE TRYING TO BRING THEIR BACKYARDS UP BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE SETTLED.AND THEY MIGHT BE TRYING TO ADD FOUR OR FIVE INCHES OF ROCK OUT THERE. SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT FOUR INCHES ABOVE THEIR NEIGHBOR NOW? AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REVIEW THOSE --?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. >> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> YET. IF WE COULD JUST ADD A SURVEY DEPICTING ALL EXISTING EASEMENT LOCATIONS AND ELEVATIONS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

EXISTING AND PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.

>> NO PROBLEM ADDING THAT. HOPEFULLY (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> HOPEFULLY! NEIGHBORS ARE -- --

>> DOING IT TOGETHER. PERFECT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS.AND I WONDER IF WE ARE MAKING THIS TOO CUMBERSOME OF A PROCESS?I SAY THAT KNOWING I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO ADD SOME TRYING TO

FIND THE BALANCE. >> AS FAR AS THE PERMIT PROCESS RIGHT NOW, THEY SHOW THE ARTIFICIAL TURF LOCATION?

>> THEY SUBMIT THEIR SURVEY. THEY HAVE THEM HIGHLIGHT -- WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS -- AND I HAVE A LIST, BUT I'M GONNA START WITH ONE SURVEY. THERE WOULD BE NOTHING STOPPING SOMEONE FROM RIPPING UP THE GRASS IN THEIR YARD AND PUTTING A ROCK IN THE BACK. WE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT OR SURVEY FOR THEM TO DO IT.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS A NEED FOR SURVEY? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND IT'S GOING TO RUN YOU ANYWHERE FROM $500-$1000.

>> EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU RESTATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT

(INDISCERNIBLE)? >> IF I WANTED TO TEAR UP THE GRASS IN MY BACKYARD AND PUT ROCK ALL OVER, I DON'T NEED A

PERMIT TO DO THAT. >> YOU ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO

HAVE GRASS. >> NOT MY BACKYARD.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE DONE PLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

NOT ALL. I HAVE A TON OF GRASS, TOO.

I HAVE A MIX. ANYWAY -- SO I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S A COMPLEXITY THAT WE ARE ADDING THAT WE MAY NOT NEED (INDISCERNIBLE) BUT AT THE SAME --?

>> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). >> RIGHT.

A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BUILDING A POOL. SO YEAH, THERE IS THAT

REGULATION (INDISCERNIBLE). >> DO LIKE A POST-INSPECTION.

AND WE GO OUT AND MEASURE THE GRADES.

>> IF YOU ARE DOING A PULL, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SURVEY IT.

BECAUSE IT'S MAJOR. BUT IF YOU ARE SAYING I HAVE 200 SQUARE FEET THAT I WANT TO PUT ASTROTURF ON? I DON'TKNOW. THAT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR

PEOPLE TO CONSIDER. >> WE ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE SURVEYS IN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY HOMES

CONSTRUCTED AFTER 2005. >> WELL, YEAH.

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AND THAT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF.

IF YOU LIKE THIS IS DIRECTED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WEDGE.

AND A LOT OF THOSE HOMES ARE NEW.

FENCES WERE PUT IN AFTER THE FACT.

AND, YOU KNOW, (INDISCERNIBLE) WITHOUT FENCES.

NOW THEY'RE MAKING THESE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS.

SO OUT EAST, THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.

SO THERE ARE VARIOUS (INDISCERNIBLE) THAT YOU WANT SINK OUT WEST THAT I DON'T THINK ARE BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. WE NEED TO OUTLINE SOMETHING FOR THE WEDGE, I GET IT. (INDISCERNIBLE).

YOU MENTIONED THE ROCK? I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.E REQUIRE THIS TO BE FLAME RETARDANT.

AS I UNDERSTAND, THE THREE TYPE OR POLYETHYLENE, POLYPROPYLENE AND NILE: NYLON. POLYETHYLENE WILL BURN QUICKLY, RIGHT? (INDISCERNIBLE) IT'LL GET TO A MELTING POINT AT LEAST. TO WHERE IT COULD COMBUST.

>> I'M NOT REAL KNOWLEDGEABLE IF THESE MATERIALS ARE FLAMMABLE. WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK THAT

OUT. >> YEAH, I WOULD ASK TO LOOK AT THAT. ANCHORING AT THE SIDE YARDS.

DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF FENCE SOMEONE MAY ALREADY HAVE.

IF THEY HAVE A WOOD FENCE IN THE BACKYARD THAT OBVIOUSLY GOES TO THE GROUND AND THERE IS A CLEAR DELINEATION FROM WHAT IS ON MY PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT'S ON ALEX'S PROPERTY, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. IF IT'S A METAL FENCE, RIGHT? A PICKET METAL FENCE, THEN (INDISCERNIBLE) CROSS-POLLINATION THERE.E GET INTO THE ISSUE OF TRIMMING AND WHAT HAPPENS IF ALEX GOES TO TRIM HIS GRASS AND HIS WEED WACKER GOES ON MY TURF? SO I WANT US TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT. MAYBE WE SHOULD SAY IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IT, YOU HAVE TO FENCE IT.

ALTHOUGH, LIKE I SAID, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE TOUGH, YOU KNOW? THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT.

>> THE MAJORITY OF FENCES THAT WE ARE ALSO SEEING IN THE NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, THE ASSOCIATIONS ARE DRIVING METAL

PICKET. >> SO NOW WE NEED THAT OFFSET TO BE AT LEAST 12 INCHES FROM YOUR FENCE LINE TO SHOW PROPER INQUIRY AND TO AVOID ANY PROBLEMS, DAMAGE FROM SOMEONE WHO MAY NOT HAVE IT.

WERE GOOD THERE. BUT WITH REGARD TO THE SIDE YARD, YOU BRING UP THE POINT -- IN MY DEVELOPMENT, I LIVE IN (NAME), FENCES -- IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT ON THE SIDE YARD AND IT CAN BE VISIBLE, LIKE (NAME) WAS SAYING, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A FENCE. IF I DON'T HAVE A FENCE AND YOU CAN WALK IN MY BACKYARD, I THINK IT'LL LOOK UNSIGHTLY TO CUT THE GRASS AND (INDISCERNIBLE).

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU ALSO HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T FENCE IN (INDISCERNIBLE). MAYBE THAT'S A POINT AT WHICH WE DETERMINE STOPPING AT THAT LINE, RIGHT? SO WHERE'S THAT HOLY LINE OF DEMARCATION, BASICALLY? THAT COULD BE SOMETHING FOR US ALSO TO THINK ABOUT.

>> ON YOUR FIRE RESISTANCE, UNDER ARTIFICIAL TURF WHERE IT SAYS (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> SO MOST OF THEM ARE FIRE RESISTANT.

I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIRE RETARDANT AND FIRE RESISTANCE, RIGHT? THE FLAME SPREAD.

ABSOLUTELY. >> SO WE WILL CHECK ON D .64

RETARDANT VERSUS RESISTANT. >> OR MINIMUM FLAME SPREAD? MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO?

>> AND ON THE SCREENING -- SO YOU ARE SAYING EITHER A SOLID

FENCE OR SHRUB OR WALL? >> IF THERE IS NO SOLID FENCE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE OFFSET (INDISCERNIBLE).

ANYTHING THAT COULD (INDISCERNIBLE) THE NEIGHBOR'S

HOUSE OR PROPERTY. >> WHAT I'M SEEING A LOT IS A METAL FENCE. THERE PUTTING METAL FENCES AND TOWARDS HER PROPERTY. THERE PUTTING THEIR HEDGE ON

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METAL OR BRONZE. >> BUT YOU COULD.

>> RIGHT. I'VE A WOOD FENCE.

>> WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THERE HEDGING.

(INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE) SO ALL (INDISCERNIBLE) HAVE TO BE SCREENED, REGARDLESS.

(INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE) I'M SEEING A LOT OF THAT (INDISCERNIBLE).IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT THE

NEIGHBORS (INDISCERNIBLE). >> IT IS NICE.

>> RIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD UNTIL IT'S NOT. THAT'S IT.

(INDISCERNIBLE).

FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A DEMARCATION LINE IN THE SAND FROM THE NATURAL SOD AND

ARTIFICIAL TURF? >> I THINK ANY TRANSITION NEEDS

TO HAVE A VISIBLE BLOCK. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU SAID IT AND I DIDN'T HEAR, I APOLOGIZE.

COULD BE A SHRUB? ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. >> LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THE ASSOCIATIONS ARE PUSHING FOR METAL PICKET.

THAT GIVES YOU FENCING BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU PRIVACY.

SO IF YOU HAVE METAL PICKET, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A ROW OF

SHRUBS TO SCREEN IT. >> (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> IF IT'S A SOLID FENCE, THEN THE SHRUBBERY MIGHT NOT BE REQUIRED TO SCREEN THE SOD. (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> FENCES HAVE GATES. OTHERWISE (INDISCERNIBLE).

IF YOU HAVE A FENCE, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GATE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FENCE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WIDTH OF THE SIDE SETBACK IS, IT'S GOING TO BE SHRUBS, FOR EXAMPLE. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STAGGERED SHRUBS SO THEY COULD BLOCK AND NOT PROHIBIT ACCESS TO THE BACK.

MICROPHONE). >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> YOU FORGOT ABOUT US IN EAST PARKLAND! [LAUGHTER] SORRY!

WEST COCONUT CREEK! >> SO A FEW THINGS.

I'M A CYPRUS HEAD RESIDENT. I'M ON THE (INDISCERNIBLE) THERE. SO THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME HERE SHOWS THAT THE TURF CAN COME FRONT AND UNPOPULAR OPINION. I DON'T MIND COMING TO THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME LIKE IT'S DEPICTING.

WE ARE SAYING WE WANT MIDWAY. IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME AS MUCH.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET.

EVEN IF IT COMES RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.

>> PATTY, WHEN YOU ARE OUT THERE (INDISCERNIBLE)?

>> I USUALLY DON'T SEE SOD AND TURF ABUTTING.

(INDISCERNIBLE). I DON'T EVEN THINK THE MANUFACTURERS RECOMMEND TESCO WHEN IT STOPS AT THE FENCE, THEY USUALLY DO STEPPINGSTONES (INDISCERNIBLE).

I REMEMBER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE (INDISCERNIBLE), WHEN IT'S DONE, YOU'VE GOT SIX INCH METAL ALL THE WAY AROUND.

(INDISCERNIBLE) THE SIDE COMES BACK UP TO THAT.

(AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). OUR FRONT YARDS ARE MINIMAL.

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF HOW YOU ARE PROPOSING.

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HEAD DOES NOT ALLOW FENCE. >> WE DO NOW.

>> AS OF WHEN? >> AS OF 2020.

THEY HAD TO OVERTURN THE COVENANTS.

INTERIOR LOTS CAN (INDISCERNIBLE) SOMETHING NEW --.

[LAUGHTER] APPROVAL PRIOR TO ISSUING THIS FENCE, YES.

>> ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THAT IF THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND NOW THEY WANT TO ADD TURF TO AN EAST PARKLAND HOME, I WOULD LIKE US TO REQUIRE THEM TO MOVE THEIR FENCE. I THINK THEY SHOULD KEEP THE FENCE WHERE IT IS AND PUT THE TURF UP TO IT.

SO MAYBE WE DO APPLICANTS THAT HAVE EXISTING FENCE.

THE TURF CAN GO UP TO THAT EXISTING FENCE.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BURDEN THEM AND MAKE A MOVE.

HOWEVER, WE CAN MAKE THEM SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWING US HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HEDGE IT.

. MAYBE THERE FENCE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO DO TURF AND LET'S HEDGE IT IN. IN THE TURF.

IN CYPRUS HEAD WE ARE REDOING OUR PLAYGROUND.

AND WE ARE TURFING AT. SO I DO HAVE SOME (INDISCERNIBLE). I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING ON TOP OF THE TURF. IF IT'S HOME AND YOU ARE USING TURF INSTEAD OF GRASS, I THINK IT'S TWO INCH -- THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER TOLD ME -- OF THE ROCK.

BECAUSE ON TOP, THEY DO THE WEED BARRIER.

ACTUALLY READING FROM HIS QUOTE.

IT'S A WEED BARRIER AND THEN THEY DO THE SAND UP TO 95 PERCENT COMPACTION. AND THEN, THEY DO THE TURF WHICH IS SECURED WITH THE SIX INCH SPIKE.

IN OUR CASE, BECAUSE IT'S A PLAYGROUND, WE HAVE TO DO FOUR-INCH. WE'RE STARTING WITH FOUR INCHES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET UP TO 12 INCHES BECAUSE OUR CURRENT GROUND IS SO LOW. THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO ADD MORE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO DO A CERTIFIED (INDISCERNIBLE) MATERIAL SINCE IT'S A PLAYGROUND. SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT.

CERTAIN MANUFACTURERS SAY TWO INCHES OR FOR -- I DON'T CARE.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET INVOLVED (INDISCERNIBLE).

(INDISCERNIBLE) THAT THE DRAINAGE SWALES ACTUALLY FLOW THROUGH THERE. SO WE DON'T WANT TO

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> RIGHT.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

>> NO.

>> NO, THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE FENCES IN GRAND CYPRESS ESTATES, JUST FOR THE RECORD!

[LAUGHTER] >> THE BUFFER ISSUE THAT ALEX MENTIONED -- I CAN'T FIND IT IN HERE.

WE HAVE A BUFFER REQUIREMENT FOR THE TURF ON FOLKS NOW?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> THERE IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION IN A PREVIOUS MEETING OF THIS BOARD ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF BEING (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

AND HAVING A BUFFER BETWEEN THE YARDS NOT GOING FROM SOMEBODY'S SYNTHETIC TURF TO THE NEIGHBORS GRASS BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE. SO IF YOU DO YOUR OWN LANDSCAPE, IF THEY DAMAGE SOMEONE'S ARTIFICIAL TURF BY GOING ON THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THEIR LAWN EQUIPMENT? THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF HAVING THE BUFFER.

AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE THAT BUFFER.

BECAUSE FROM A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, THE JUERGEN HAVE ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO USE LAWNMOWERS.

MOWING THE GRASS RIGHT UP TO THE SYNTHETIC TURF.

IS IT IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY?

>> NO, IT IS NOT. >> IT WAS DISCUSSED.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PUT INTO A PREVIOUS (INDISCERNIBLE).

BUT IF IT ISN'T, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE IT.

OR WE ARE GOING TO RUN INTO MAJOR ISSUES WITH MAINTENANCE

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SHOULD HAVE. >> AND WHAT WOULD YOUR

RECOMMENDATION BE? >> I DON'T KNOW.

YOU ARE THE EXPERT.

LIKE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY? X NO, I WAS WANTING IT!

>> OH, YOU WANT IT? >> YEAH! [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION! ISSUES WITH ANCHORING AND ALL THAT GOOD IF YOU GO RIGHT UP

AGAINST EACH OTHER. >> SO IF YOU COULD ADD THAT TO

THE DISCUSSION? >> OKAY.

WE'LL COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT WORKS.

HOPEFULLY, IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SOD IT, THEY COULD PUT

GROUNDCOVER OR SHRUBS TO THAT SETBACK (INDISCERNIBLE).>> CAN THE HOA'S BAND THE TURF, OPPOSITE TO WHAT THE CITY IS ALLOWING? HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE LEGAL

WORLD? >> THEY CAN.

>> THE ANSWER IS YES. IF THE HOA'S HAVE THEIR RESTRICTION AND THEY SAY NO TURF? THEN IT'S NO TURF. WE DON'T ENFORCE THE HOA'S REGULATIONS. IF SOMEONE SUBMITS A PERMIT TO US, WE PROCESS THE PERMIT. WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO POTENTIALLY GO SEEK HOA'S APPROVAL.

>> OKAY. >> THE ROCK AND SAND REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE INCHES, ARE WE GOING TO GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE -- ACTUALLY IS RECOMMENDING WHATEVER THE MANUFACTURER IS RECOMMENDING.

YOU ARE TALKING SPECIFIED NUMBERS OF TWO INCHES, FOUR INCHES -- WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH NUMBERS, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC AND THAT ONE IS.

BUT I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH ASHLEY.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MANUFACTURER. BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET THAT DIFFERENT TYPE OF TURF (INDISCERNIBLE).I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO FORWARD ON THAT WITH THE ROCK AND SAND.

>> CORRECT. THE ORDINANCE HAS SOME MATERIAL WEIGHTS. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO (INDISCERNIBLE).

AT COSTCO (INDISCERNIBLE). >> EXACTLY.

I THINK UNDER D, WE COVER THE MATERIAL PRETTY WELL.

LEX AND THE ISSUE OF THE TURF COMING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE YARD. I THINK WHY WE WANT TO NAIL IT DOWN IS FOR (INDISCERNIBLE). A HODGEPODGE OF A MESS.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DEFINED POINTS SO WE CAN HAVE UNIFORMITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH THIS.

SO IT'S NOT A MESS. >> PATTY, IS ERNIE CONCERNED WITH TREES BEING PLANTED IN THE SIDE YARDS?

>> WE HAVE A FEW LOTS TREES ON THE SIDE YARDS, BUT THEY ARE TREATED AS PERMANENT. SO THE METAL GRATE GOES AROUND THE TREE AND THE (INDISCERNIBLE) COMES UP TO THE GREAT. AND WHATEVER GROUNDCOVER OR MULCH OR (INDISCERNIBLE) ON THE TREE, THAT STAYS.

SO THE TREES IN THE LANDSCAPE DON'T COME OUT.

THEY REMAIN. >> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I

HAVE. >> TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TREES, I WAS THINKING THAT. I'M LOOKING AT THIS NICE --

CROSS TALK] P>> YEAH.

SO IT'S NOT BEEN REMOVED (INDISCERNIBLE).

THE MOST TYPICAL FENCE CONFIGURATION WE SEE IS USUALLY IT'S COMING OFF CLOSE TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND

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>> ARE YOU TALKING IN THE WEDGE?

>> GAP. MOSTLY IN THE WEDGE.

SO THEY ARE NOT PAYING THE EXPENSE TO EXTEND THOSE FENCES ANOTHER 40 OR 50 FEET FORWARD TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE STUCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VERY USABLE SPACE IN THE YARD TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ARE SECURING THE YEAR YARD AND NOT NECESSARILY THE SIDE YARDS.

NOW IF YOU GET OUT IN THE AKERS, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO. THERE TYPICALLY UP AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OVER TO THE 25 FOOT SIDE YARD AND THEN BACK.

>> I DO AGREE WITH THE CLARITY. ESPECIALLY ON THE SIDE YARDS.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THIS -- AND HERON BAY, YOUR FENCE CAN COME UP ON THE SIDE, UP TO HALF THE

DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE. >> IS SET ON TYPICAL INTERIOR LOTS? OR ON THE STREET SIDE LOTS?

>> I DON'T KNOW. PI MEAN, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S THE GUIDELINE I REMEMBER GETTING.

I CAN MOVE MY FENCE HALFWAY (INDISCERNIBLE).

I THINK THAT STANDARD. EVEN THE CORNER LOTS, I DON'T SEE FENCES GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT.OME HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING HOW IF YOU WERE TO SAY FOLLOW THE FENCE LINE. BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LONG STRIPS OF GRASS DOWN THE SIDE, EVEN WITH THE FENCE.

SO IT WOULD BE VERY ODD TO STOP THE TURF THERE.

AND OF COURSE, HAVE BUFFER. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING -- I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I AM HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THAT.

THE OTHER THING -- THE WIDTH OF THE TURF.

THE GRASS PART THAT STANDS UP -- HOW HIGH IS IT?

AN INCH? >> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING HOW A LAWNMOWER WOULD HURT URF? BECAUSE GRASS IS KIND OF THICK. AND YOU USUALLY LEAVE A GOOD TWO, MAYBE THREE INCHES. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A REAL ISSUE. I'M JUST ASKING.

>> THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF

1.75 INCHES. >> IS THERE MAXIMUM?

>> YES. 2 AND A HALF INCHES.

>> 2 AND A HALF IS ONE MAXIMUM? IS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE?

>> YES IT IS. >> YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT.

CONSIDER WEED WHACKING. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> GOTCHA.

SORRY! YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE. THE ARTIFICIAL TURF COMES TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN, YOU SEE THE DRAIN THERE. AND YOU SEE THAT ONE HOUSE IS COMING HOUSE TO HOUSE. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE WHEN THEY ARE SIDE-BY-SIDE.

IN THE DRAIN IS IN IT. AND THE NEIGHBORS SEEM TO BE -- IT WOULD BE NICE THAT THEY CONTINUE THIS FRIENDSHIP --.

>> PATTY, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IN THAT PICTURE, YOU ARE CORRECT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS. YOU HAVE THE COLOR OF THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, WHICH WILL NOT CHANGE.

BUT IN THE WINTERTIME, THE SAINT AUGUSTINE GRASS WOULD CHANGE COLORS. SO IT'S A WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL

HAPPEN? >> FOR THE RECORD, PATTY, A LANDSCAPER SHARED A PICTURE ON HER PHONE TO THE BOARD FOR REFERENCE. FOR OUR DISCUSSION.

TODD, CONTINUE? >> SURE.

SO I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.O WHEN I LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE ON THE LEFT, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT ORDINANCE WAS CREATED.

WE ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY PROUD, SOME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE MINDSET? IF ANYONE KNOWS? IN SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT BEING INITIALLY APPROVED? AND GOING FROM A VERY LARGE AREA.

SO AGAIN, WHERE I AM THINKING, AND IT MAY NOT BE A RATIONAL THOUGHT, IT'S WHAT I THINK. IT'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE.

AND I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY COMMON TREND.

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IS THERE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE? EVEN THOUGH FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY GOOD, ARE THERE ANY DOWNSIDES ENVIRONMENTALLY REMOVING LOTS OF GRASS? AND POTENTIALLY TREES THAT WE ARE SAYING WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE REMOVING, BUT I BET THERE WILL BE TREES BEING REMOVED.

WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THAT BE, IF ANY? YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE ARE MOVING A LOT OF NATURE

-- LIKE GRASS. >> PATTY AGAIN! AGAIN -- WE STARTED THIS WHOLE THING BECAUSE I PERSONALLY SAW A HUGE INFLUX OF ALL THIS WORK BEING DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.

AND WE WANTED TO REGULATE IT. I THINK THE 10 PERCENT IN THE BACKYARD AND THE SIDES ON THE TOP OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE BOTTOM MAY HAVE BEEN SOME TYPE OF OVERSIGHT .

HONESTLY. ENVIRONMENTALLY, MOSTLY THIS IS OFF FROM BEING CREATED FROM OUR WEDGE.

ENVIRONMENTALLY, WHAT I SEE OUT THERE -- I BEEN HERE SEVEN YEARS, SINCE IT WAS ALL (NAME). SO WHEN THE HOMEOWNERS AREN'T TAKING THIS STEP, THE SIDE FROM THE SIDE YARDS, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO STORY HOUSES AND WE ONLY HAVE A SMALL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES, IT'S TURNED INTO COMPLETE MUSH.

HOMEOWNERS CALLED RELENTLESSLY DESK OF THE DRAINAGE IS BAD, THE DRAINAGE IS BAD. IT ISN'T SO MUCH THE DRAINAGE IS BAD ITS EVERYBODY THINKS THEIR GRASS IS DYING.

WE NEED TO WATER IT. NO SUNLIGHT.

NO PERCOLATION. AND IT CAUSE MUD EVERYWHERE.

MOST OF THEM HAVE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE WHITE DOGS WERE BEAUTIFUL WHITE FLOORS AND WHITE FURNITURE.

AND THE DOG RUNNING THROUGH THE MUD, BRINGING IT IN THE HOUSE, BRING YOU GET ON THE FURNITURE. THE VET BILL TO WASH THE DOG.

IT WAS A CRAZY CYCLE SO WE ENDED UP WITH TURF.

SO TO REGULATE IT AND MAKE IT AS YOU ALL ARE SAYING AND MAKE IT UNIFORM? I THINK THAT UNIFORMITY IS THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS ARE APPROVED.

WHAT HAPPENED AS I WAS APPROVING THE LARGER OPTION.

THEN SOMEONE CALLED AND SAID YOU CAN'T APPROVE THAT BECAUSE THE BOTTOM HAVE THE ORDINANCE SAYS 10 PERCENT.

50 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE SIZE OF THIS TABLE.

THAT SERVES NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER WHEN MRS. SMITH HAS DONE THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS. SO WE BEEN TRYING TO BECOME CONSISTENT. THIS IS THE REALITY OF IT.

WHAT EVERYONE HAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.

SO I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD.

IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO COME ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. LIKE WHERE THE GARAGE STARTS, NOT WHERE THE GARAGE ENDS. AND DRAW THAT IMAGINARY LINE.

BUT THEN WE WERE COMING UP AT THE 10 PERCENT ISSUE.

OKAY. RATHER THAN GOING TO MATH FOR EVERY SINGLE HOUSE AND TRY TO ARGUE WITH THE HOMEOWNER, LET'S BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS. SO THEN IT IS WELL, BOB, KATHY, MARY AND JOE, THEY ALL HAVE THIS SO I CAN TOO.

BUT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE PERMITTED AND IT WILL BE INSTALLED CORRECTLY. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. AND MAYBE MAKE A TEMPLATE IN THE ORDINANCE. LIKE WE HAVE OUR TREE PRESERVATION TEMPLATE. WITH THE GROUND SURFACE PERCOLATION ROCK AND THE SECOND LAYER.

BUT LET ME PLAY WITH THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION -- I'LL PULL THE TOP FIVE MANUFACTURERS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEY ALL MIGHT BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

AND ALSO, WITH THE THICKNESS OF THE PATTERN EVERYTHING DESK WE ARE NOT ALLOWING STUFF THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH.

IN THE PRODUCT I SEE GOING IN ISEXTREMELY DURABLE, NICE .

I HAVE YET TO SEE A SHODDY INSTALL.

I'VE SEEN THEM ALL VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED.

THE FINISHED PRODUCT IS VERY ARCHITECTURAL PICTURES IN THE

BOOKS. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM

MICROPHONE). >> DO I SEE WHAT?

>> MAY BE INSTALLATION THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DONE WHERE LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT HAS TORN IT UP?

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ARE HEARD OF IT.

BUT KNOWING ALL OF MY LUNG GUYS AND COMPANIES VERY WELL? I'LL PUT MY FEELERS OUT TO THAT.

BUT I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY CALL AND COMPLAIN AND THEY COMPLAIN

ABOUT EVERYTHING (LAUGHING)! >> (INDISCERNIBLE) DO YOU THINK

THE BUFFER ISN'T NECESSARY? >> NO, I DO.

(INDISCERNIBLE) CREATED IN AN ARBITRARY WAY.

(AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). (INDISCERNIBLE) BASED ON SOME

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WITH A 24 INCH WIDE MOWER --. >> AND CATCHES IT.

>> IF IT'S ON A TRACTOR, RIGHT ALONG (INDISCERNIBLE), THAT PERHAPS IS DIFFERENT. (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> IN THE WEDGE IN THE BACKYARDS? IT'S MOSTLY WEED EATERS.

AND I'LL LOOK AT IT AND I'LL SHOW PICTURES SO YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WELL. THAT BARRIER THAT GOES IN.

AND THEN, MOST OF THEM PUT A LITTLE CONCRETE STRIP THERE FOR STABILITY. AND THEN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER INCH. AND THEN, YOUR MAT STARTS.

YOUR TURF STARTS. SO BETWEEN THE END OF THE TURF AND THE METAL EDGING? YOU'VE GOT THREE INCHES?OUR INCHES? AND OF COURSE, THE TURF ISN'T GOING TO GROW. BECAUSE (LAUGHING) IT'S ARTIFICIAL. SO YOU ARE KEEPING THE OTHER GUY AWAY FROM IT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE ONLY ONCE I GROWS.

>> WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, IS A PART OF THE MANUFACTURERS (INDISCERNIBLE)? THOUGHTS IN MIND? AND WILL HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON EVERYONE ELSE'S QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

AS WELL AS I'LL TAKE SEVERAL DIFFERENT -- OF SOME OF THE SCENARIOS THAT I SEE OUT THERE. SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE VERY ORGANIZED BUT IS NOT PERMITTED. AND IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND SOMETHING WOULD DRAINAGE HAPPENS OR SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS? I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ON US.

THE HOMEOWNER -- YOU DID IT WITHOUT A PERMIT.

SORRY. YOU HAVE TO FIX IT.

SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE

FOR (INDISCERNIBLE). >> SO AS THIS BECOMES MORE POPULAR DOWN THE ROAD, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S WHEN THINGS WILL START WEARING.

THIS IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF CODE ENFORCEMENT? IF THERE WERE ISSUES WITH FADING OR RANTING US?

>> YES. CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL BE PART OF ALL OF THIS. I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE IT HAS TO ALWAYS LOOK NICE OR GETS REPLACED.

WE DO HAVE A WARRANTY IN THEIR UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT.

(INDISCERNIBLE) SIMULATE THE APPEARANCE OF LIVE TURF (INDISCERNIBLE) AN EIGHT YEAR, NO FADE WARRANTY.

SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT 8 TO 10 YEARS IS ALL THE LIFE THERE GOING TO GET OUT OF IT. USUALLY WHAT THEY DO AT THAT TIME IS JUST PULL UP THE OLD AND THE UNDERLYING REMAINS THE SAME. THEY MAY DO A LITTLE COMPACTION. AND THROW ON A ONE INCH FRESH SILICA SAND AND PUT THE BASE DOWN.

THE PRICES SEEM VERY AFFORDABLE IF THAT'S ALSO THE LOOK YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. SO IT'S ABOUT SEVEN DOLLARS A

SQUARE FOOT. >> ALL RIGHT.

MY LAST QUESTION IS IN THE WEIRD CIRCUMSTANCE A NEW PERSON MOVES IN OR WHATEVER, THEY JUST DECIDE THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THEIR TURF AND PUT GRASS.

WHAT IS A PROCESS THERE? DO THEY JUST DO IT OR DO THEY

HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY? >> NO, IT SHOULD BE FINE.

IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AGAIN BECAUSE OF OUR WATER HOLDING CAPACITY, THE TOPSOIL THAT THE SIDE COMES WITH IT? WE ARE TO HAVE 2 TO 2 AND A HALF INCHES OF BLACK MUCK.

IT'S BEST FOR TO BE UNDER THE PERCOLATING SILICA SAND THAN MUCK ON TOP OF MUCK. SO THEY REMOVED ALL THE MUCK.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU ARE DEBUNKING YOUR YARD AND YOU ARE PUTTING IN SILICA SAND. SO YOU DO PUT POSITIVE DRAINAGE. SO IF YOU WANT SOD -- WE DON'T MAKE THEM RIP IRRIGATION OUT OR ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST KEPT. THEIR SYSTEM IS STILL INTACT, IT'S JUST KEPT. SO THEN THEY CAN JUST REVERSE

THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). >> IN THE COURSE OF TIME IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. JUST LIKE REGULAR SOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT FROM NATURAL WATER AND COMPACTION. THE DOG RUNNING --.

>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS-POINTS.

FOR STAFF TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION AND TRY TO WORK OUT (INDISCERNIBLE). HERE I GO AGAIN.

I SUPPORT THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BE CAREFUL WHAT WE WISH FOR.

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THE ROAD. >> EIGHT YEARS.

>> I KNOW A GOOD MAJORITY, DEPENDING ON THE CITY, CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS ARE CUTTING THE GRASS OR NOT CUTTING THE GRASS. OR PROPERTY UPKEEP.

SO AGAIN, WITH WEAR-AND-TEAR OVER YEARS, WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE ENDS UP TO BE HAS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE

MAINTAINED. >> YES, SIR.

AND I THINK THE HOA'S ALSO -- THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE

THAT LIVE TO LOOK FOR PROBLEMS. >> (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IT BEING EVER ORDINANCE.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE CODE, IS THERE A SUBGRADE INSPECTION PROCESS REQUIRING TWO INCHES, FOUR INCHES, PER MANUFACTURERS SPECS?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.

PULLING THE TOP MANUFACTURERS IN LOOKING AT THEIR STUFF.

AND I WILL RESEARCH BASED ON OUR SOIL CONDITIONS AS WELL.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE CODE, BUT GETTING A PERMIT REQUIRING PERMITS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE METHOD AND PRODUCT IS ONE THING. HOW DO WE GET IT INSPECTED (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE)?

>> WE DO HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT BOTH GO OUT AND CHECK FOR GRADE ELEVATION DIFFERENCES.

IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CHECKS FOR THE COMPACTION AND THE LAYERS OF THE UNDERLING.

>> IF THERE AREN'T ELEVATIONS, (INDISCERNIBLE).

JUST SO EVERYTHING IS COHESIVE. SECTION 95-1600B, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TURF STRIPS WITHIN A PATTERNED DRIVEWAY, SOMEBODY HAD STATED (INDISCERNIBLE). THERE SHOULD BE A DIMENSION OR PERCENTAGE, SO THERE AREN'T QUARTER SIZE PIECES OF PAPERS AND ASTROTURF ON A DRIVEWAY. JUST SO THERE IS SOME WAY TO REGULATE IT. WHAT THE INTENT IS.

>> RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT SIX INCH CONCRETE OR ALL ARTIFICIAL --

>> THAT TYPE OF INSULATION, YOU SEE EVERYTHING.

HE NEEDS TO BE BETTER DEFINED. THE NONRESIDENTIAL STAGE OF THE

COMMERCIAL. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LEAD TO. PLAYGROUNDS --?

>> SITE-SPECIFIC. >> A DOG PARK -- IT WOULD BE

SITE-SPECIFIC FOR THAT. >> IF AN EXISTING INSULATION IS GOING TO BE REPLACE, THE TURF, (INDISCERNIBLE) IF IT WAS TORN UP OR WORN OUT AND IT HAS TO BE REPLACED, THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER -- AND AGAIN, I'M AGAINST PERMITS --.

[LAUGHTER] >> RIGHT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT OVERLY CUMBERSOME, BUT IF THE REQUIREMENT IS TO GET IT INSPECTED (INDISCERNIBLE) SIX INCH SPACE PER THE MANUFACTURER'S SPECS, (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> I WOULD THINK A PERMIT ALSO. JUST LIKE YOU REPLACE YOUR AIR CONDITIONER? YOU NEED A PERMIT.

>> UNLESS I STAND CORRECTED, ON A HOUSE, ON A RESIDENTIAL HOME, A PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED TO INSTALL GUTTERS.

AND SO, WITH RESPECT TO -- I ALWAYS SAY THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE, GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS AND ACCUMULATION OF WATER -- PERHAPS THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE

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SO (INDISCERNIBLE) KEPT OFF -- I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NECESSARY, BUT THE (INDISCERNIBLE) DESCRIBED WHETHER OR NOT IRRIGATION PERMITS IS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE AMOUNT OF GRASS IN THE EXHIBIT, (INDISCERNIBLE) KEPT OFF THE IRRIGATION, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN DIFFERENT ZONES ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE PROPERLY. (INDISCERNIBLE) PERMIT ON RECORD SHOWING (INDISCERNIBLE). -- --.

>> I CAN LOOK AT THAT TOO. BECAUSE WE DO REQUIRE A HEAD LAYOUT ON ALL OF OUR BUILDING PERMITS.

SO IRRIGATION HAD LAYOUT IS FIRST.

AND THEN MY LANDSCAPE IS UNDERNEATH THAT.

AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IN MOST OF THE YARDS, WHETHER IT BE (INDISCERNIBLE) OR SIDE YARD THAT DOES HAVE LANDSCAPING, THE IRRIGATION THAT IS BEING KEPT OFF IS MAINLY THE CENTER. BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE IRRIGATION FOR THE OTHER HEDGE MATERIAL.

AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING -- I WOULD SAY ONLY MAYBE 4 TO 5 HEADS ARE BEING KEPT. BECAUSE THINK OF THE SAME THING IF YOU BOUGHT A BACKYARD THAT WAS SODDED AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR POOL. ALL OF THAT IS KEPT.

ORDINANCE (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> IO ASKED THE QUESTION IN THE FIELD AND FIND OUT.

IN (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

A TO FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE, 7 TO 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, WHEN (INDISCERNIBLE). (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

I SEE NO ONE IN THE PUBLIC. I'LL ASK IF THERE WAS ANY INPUT OR EMAILS OR LETTERS ON THE AGENDA ITEM?

>> THERE HAVE BEEN ON. >> OKAY.

WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE --

>> ONE MORE COMMENT BEFORE WE CLOSE. MISS THE HEIGHT.

WE HAVE A MINIMUM? I APOLOGIZE I MISSED THAT.

SOMEONE PLAYS GOLF IN THERE BACKYARD, CAN THEY PUT A

PUTTING GREEN? >> THAT HAVE TO GET A PERMIT

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> I KNOW ALMOST EVERYONE IN THEIR BACKYARD IS PUTTING IN THESE PUTTING GREENS.

>> I THINK THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO -- FOR THE RECORD (LAUGHING)!

[LAUGHTER] >> I WONDER IF THERE'S A

DIFFERENT NAME --? >> SO D2 IS WHERE THAT SECTION

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I APOLOGIZE. ANSWER ALEX QUESTION AND I'LL

ASK MINE. >> SECTION D2 IS WHERE THOSE HEIGHTS WERE. MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT 1.75 TO 2.5 UNLESS A SPECIFIC PUTTING GREEN AREA IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED

OUT?>> OKAY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT REAL

QUICK. >> SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

SORRY. >> ON THE PHOTOGRAPH I WAS SHOWING --

>> IF IT APPLIED TO A SPORTS (INDISCERNIBLE) WE COULD ADD

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> HERE'S THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK --.

1.75, THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE A PUTTING GREEN.

>> I HAVE BEEN EXCEPTION --.

GAIL AND PERHAPS ANTHONY, A DEVELOPER ABC COMES AND WANTS TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH 30 HOUSES.

AND PROPOSES SYNTHETIC TURF. S OUR DEVELOPMENT GOING TO ALLOW THAT? OR (INDISCERNIBLE) EXCEPTION THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING (INDISCERNIBLE)? EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE COHESIVE AND BE DEVOID OF LOOPHOLES.

>> YOU ARE GOING WORST-CASE SCENARIO HERE! I BEEN ON THE BOARD LONG ENOUGH THINK ABOUT.THINGS YOU DON'T I'M JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> THE ORDINANCE THAT IS LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF SYNTHETIC TURF ISN'T GOING TO ACCEPT SOMEONE FROM OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT MAY REQUIRE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND SHRUBS IN THE REAR YARD. THAT (INDISCERNIBLE) IS STILL GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT. (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM

MICROPHONE). >> YET.

AND JUST A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT. IF WE ARE ALLOWING SYNTHETIC TURF -- THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SYNTHETIC TURF REGULATIONS, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WOULD APPLY.

DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY PROPOSE. IT WAS MENTIONED IT COULD BE A PROPERTY PUD OR PRD DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY WOULD NEED TO MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.

AND SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS COULD POTENTIALLY CONFLICT WITH THESE BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THEM.

>> THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN DOES NOT ALLOW ANY EXCEPTIONS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, (INDISCERNIBLE)? FOR EXAMPLE, AND PINETREE ESTATES -- (INDISCERNIBLE) FOOT SETBACK WHAT IS IT, 12, 14 FEET? IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED?

>> IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO (INDISCERNIBLE) PRIVATE OR PUBLIC ROAD EASEMENT.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR EASEMENTS? >> YES.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> THERE IS EXCESSIVE LANDSCAPING COVERING THE GRASS GROWING -- SPECIFIC CARVEOUT -- SOMETHING (INDISCERNIBLE) (AWAY FROM MICROPHONE)?

>> I'M NOT SURE. ANTHONY, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE FRONT YARD, IT'S NOT REALLY A NUMERICAL REDUCTION -- WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO A VARIANCE?

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P>> UNDER THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED.

>> CORRECT. THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES, WHERE THERE IS (INDISCERNIBLE), PINE TREES, OLDER GROWTH OF TREE CANOPIES? PERHAPS TO KEEP THE GRASS FROM DRYING OUT THAT COULD PERHAPS BE AN EXCEPTION? AT SOME OF THE NEW PROPERTIES GOING IN ALONG (NAME), RIGHT? THERE IS A WALL AROUND ONE OF THEM.

THAN THE GATE THAT'S THERE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TURF INSIDE THEIR FULLY WALLED PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD STAND IN

THE WAY. >> AGAIN, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR NOT EXCLUDING CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> BUT THAT HOME, IS IT VISIBLE FROM OTHER HOMES? THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE EXAMPLE?

>> YOU. >> IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT CONSISTENCY. SO THE GUY HAS IT IN THE FRONT YARD AND THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET -- SO IT'S NOT HODGEPODGE IN DIFFERENT COLORS? IT GETS TOO DANGEROUS.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR WITH ALL OF

THAT STUFF. >> THE OFFICIAL CHANGES IN THE BACK ARE NOT AS NOTICEABLE (INDISCERNIBLE).

IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE (INDISCERNIBLE).

I DON'T LIVE IN CYPRUS (NAME). DURING THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, YOU SEE THREE, SIX, NINE -- AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,

YOU SEE PERFECT GREEN. >> RIGHT.

WAY, AND THERE'S NOTHING STANDARD.

SO WHAT IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR? IF PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS IN THE BACK OF THEIR HOMES, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND (INDISCERNIBLE) TIME SO THEY WILL SEE MORE THAN

THE PEOPLE DRIVING BY. >> IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? >> HOPEFULLY, IT'S NOT (INDISCERNIBLE).

UNPLEASANT EITHER WAY. CROSS TALK] HE MAKES A GOOD POINT THOUGH. THE COMMON DENOMINATOR -- WHERE

IS THAT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH WITH MORE ARTIFICIAL TURF CONVERSATION, CAN THEY BRING BACK THE TEXT AND (INDISCERNIBLE)? UNTIL THE DATE IS CERTAIN FACET.

>> CAN I MAKE A SLIGHT SUGGESTION ON THAT? MOTION TO DEFER TO THE NEXT MEETING, LET'S PUT IN THE DATE

AND THE RECORD. >> I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 9.

TO ALLOW STAFF TO CONSIDER ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTS MADE. BOXES ARE SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY JOEL, SECONDED BY ASHLEY. PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

YOU FOR THE NEXT MEETING WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND MORE PICTURES

[9. Comments from the Planning & Zoning Director]

SHOW YOU! >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> ON THE ORDINANCE? >> NO, GENERAL COMMENTS!

WE MOVED ON FOR THE ORDINANCE! >> OBVIOUSLY NEXT MONTH WE WILL BE HAVING A MEETING. WE'LL HAVE THE TURF ORDINANCE BACK FOR YOUR SECOND REVIEW OF THE DRIVEWAY LANGUAGE THAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT ORDINANCE WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE. AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND WE WILL LIKELY HAVE THE (NAME) COUNTRY CLUB CLUBHOUSE AND SPORTS COMPLEX IMPROVEMENTS AND RENOVATIONS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. > VERY GOOD.

[10. Comments from the Board]

THANK YOU. >> S LINEUP SO FAR.

WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE MEETING.

I WILL BE TRAVELING TO KURT AND CAICOS FOR MY BIRTHDAY.

>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! >> ANY OTHERS?

MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.

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>> SECOND. >> MOTIONED BY JOEL AND ANTHONY SECONDED.

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