[1. Call to Order]
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>> WELCOME, EVERYBODY. CALLING THE CITY OF PARKLAND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING OF TODAY'S THURSDAY, JANUARY 13, 6 O'CLOCK. EVERYONE PLEASE PRICE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approval of Minutes ]
IS THERE MOTION FOR MINUTES THAT ARE DATED OCTOBER, 14TH 2010.>> MOTION BY ANTHONY, IS THERE A SECOND?
>> ITEM NUMBER FIVE, COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC ON AND ON AGENDA ITEMS. ANYWAY, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE NON-AGENDA ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC.
[6. Comments by the Chair]
COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR. A FEW THINGS, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, FIRST OF ALL.I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME TO OUR MEETING ENTER THE CITY GAI , WELCOME.
SHE IS A SENIOR PLANNER. WE KNOW EACH OTHER, THE WHOLE ENCHILADA AT THE ROBERT MALL.
DALE WAS A PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLANTATION FOR 30 YEARS AND THAT WE WELCOME HER TO THE CITY OF PARKLAND.ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PASSING OF LYNN WHO WAS ON OUR BOARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT WAS A DEDICATED VOLUNTEER AND RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN THE CITY AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER PASSING.
>> IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH LYNN. SHE CERTAINLY WAS AN ASSET TO THIS BOARD. SHE WAS ON HERE FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.
I HAVE SERVED A LITTLE OVER FIVE SO WE WERE HERE TOGETHER. WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT LYNN, A LOT OF YOU GUYS BRING UP A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND ILISTEN .
WHEN LINDA TALKED I REALLY LISTENS. FOR WHATEVER REASON SHE HAD THAT WAY ABOUT HER AND SHE IS SOMEONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE SOUND OF ALL PROJECT, SAWGRASS EXPRESSWAY. HER MARK ON THIS CITY IS THERE AND I WILL MISS HER.
SHE HAPPENS TO LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SO SHE WAS ALSO A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
LYNN, I WILL MISS YOU, MY FRIENDS. REST WELL.
>> ONE OTHER THING, I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD AROUND THE SAME TIME TONY JOINED BACK IN 2015 AND LYNN WAS VERY HELPFUL TO M . I HAD MANY A SOCIAL DINNER WITH HER THROUGH THE YEARS. SHE WAS ALSO ONE OF, BESIDES BEING AN AMAZING ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY AND VOLUNTEER WITH THE CITY AND THE SAWGRASS PROJECT AND SO MANY OTHERTHINGS, SHE WAS ALSO THE BEST HOST . I REMEMBER GOING TO THE FORMER MAYOR WHEN SHE FIRST RAN FOR MAYOR INTO A 16. IT WAS AT LYNN'S HOUSE. I HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF FUNDRAISERS AND EVENTS IN MY LIFE FOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND SENATORS AND LYNN'S KICKOFF FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND MAYOR RANKS UP THERE PROBABLY AS THE BEST EVENT I HAVE EVER BEEN TO IN MY LIFE. SHE IS VERY MUCH MISSED AND ON THIS BOARD AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT.
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>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO
[7. Approval of the Agenda]
THESE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING?[8.A. Resolution 2022-008: Parkland Bay Entrance Feature Modification Consideration of a Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, approving a Site Plan Amendment and Community Appearance Board applications to modify the existing Parkland Bay Entrance Feature, eliminating the approved fire features and installing water fountains; generally located at the intersection of West Hillsboro Boulevard and Parkland Bay Trail; providing for conflict and providing for an effective date.]
>> I AM GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE PUBLIC HEARING A RESOLUTION 2022 - 008 PARKLAND BAY ENTRANCE FEATURE MODIFICATION. CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND, FLORIDA APPROVING THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AND COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD APPLICATIONS TO MODIFY THE EXISTING PARKLAND BAY ENTRANCE FEATURE. I LIMITED THE PREFIRE FEATURES AND INSTILLING WATER FOUNTAIN.
LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEST HILLSBOROUGH BOULEVARD AND PARKLAND BAY TRAIL AND PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. HAPPY NEW YEAR GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.
I WILL MENTIONED BEFORE WE GET STARTED WE HAVE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CLIENT AND THE AUDIENCE AND WHAT WE WILL DO TO EXPEDITE THIS BECAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY MINOR MODIFICATION I WILL GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THE ITEM AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS BEHIND ME HERE.
SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO STEP UP AND ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH MYSELF. OF COURSE, THE ITEM BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AND COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD APPLICATION TO MODIFY THE EXISTING ENTRANCE FEATURE AT PARKLAND BAY. THIS IS AS THE TITLE SAID WE ARE PROPOSING TO ILLUMINATE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FIRE FUTURE AS PART OF THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE ELEMENT.
I WILL SHOW YOU PICTURES HERE IN A SECOND AND REPLACE THE FIRE FEATURES WITH A WATER FOUNTAIN. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE FIRE ELEMENT AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET IT TO BE OPERATIONAL OUT TO THEIR AND THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING EXCITED FOR THAT. THERE IS NO CHANGES TO THE BASIN ITSELF, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT IS THE WATER FOUNTAIN AND THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS. THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME UNDER LIGHTING SO THE JETS WILL APPEAR TO BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT AND IT LIMITS SOME OF THE GLOBE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE WITH THE ORIGINAL FIRE. ONE THING TO NOTE AS PART OF THIS REQUEST WAS THAT IT WAS FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE PLANT ITSELF WAS DEFICIENT IN THEIR LIGHTING AT THE ENTRANCE FEATURE, SPECIFICALLY, OR THE ENTRANCE AREA AND THE APPLICANT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS SINCE RELOCATED SOME LIGHTS OUT TO THE WEST OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE ARE HOMES RIGHT NOW AND THEY BROUGHT THE ENTRANCE AREA INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN SO IT IS ILLUMINATED AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
THE LIGHTING ISSUES ARE RESOLVED TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, AT THE ENTRANCE.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE AREA. AT PARKLAND BAY TRAIL AND HILLSBORO.
GENERALLY, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET VIEW YOU CAN SEE THE WATER FOUNTAIN AREA THERE, FIRE JETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. YOU CAN SIT AHEAD OF THE GUARDHOUSE. AND HERE IS THE AFTER CONDITION AND GENERAL SCHEMATICS OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY INSTALL THE WATER FEATURES. YOU CAN SEE WATER JETS COMING OUT AND REPLACING AGAIN THE FIRE FEATURES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT IN THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS NOTED HERE. THE FIRST BEING THE MODIFICATION IS COMPLETE AND OPERATIONAL WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST PERMIT RELATING TO THIS APPLICATION AND THAT SIX MONTHS AND IT WAS COORDINATED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY OFFERED THAT TIMELINE.
THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS A WORKABLE TIMEFRAME. THE SECOND, THIS APPLICATION WAS APPROVED AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE DRC MEMBERS AND AN EXAMPLE OF CONDITIONS COME FROM OUR DRP AND THE SECOND CONDITION THE FIRE ELEMENT WHICH AGAIN WERE A UNIQUE FEATURE AS SUCH IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS SUBMERSIBLE LED LIGHTING BE ABLE TO CHANGE COLORS FOR THE DIFFERENT SEASONS OR WHATNOT. YOU CAN CHANGE FROM WHITE TO RED OR GREEN OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THIRD IS BE ABLE TO POSITION THE JETS SO THE SPRAY DOES NOT
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ESCAPE THE PRIMARY BASIN AND ADJACENT PLANTINGS. THE LAST IS RELATED TO FEES.STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL AGAIN DENA GRAY IS AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SHE IS A POWERPOINT IF YOU LIKE TO SEE IT BUT IT'S GENERALLY THE SAME INFORMATION OF WHAT WE JUST WENT OVER.
>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL START WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
>> NO, READING THROUGH IT IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> I HAVE SOME. SOME OF THESE ARE FOR STAFF AND SOME ARE FOR THE APPLICANT I WILL REFER TO SHOULD ANSWER THEM. WHEN WAS THE FIRE FUTURE ELEMENT OF THIS ENTRANCE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED?
>> DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG YOU BEEN IN VIOLATION FOR?
>> DENA GRAY, COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE.
>> DOES ANYONE FROM PLANNING STAFF HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO HOW LONG THEY HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLIANT WITH THIS ENTRANCE FEATURE?
>> THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY WAS APPROVED IN 2016.
>> THE ENTRANCE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE, SO HOW LONG HAVE THEY NOT BEEN IN COMPLIANCE ARE WE TALKING MONTHS OR YEARS? ANTHONY, WOULD YOU SAY MORE THAN A YEAR? OKAY.
>> WHEN YOU USE THE WORD COMPLIANCE COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC.
>> WENT WAS THE ENTRANCE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETED UNDER THEIR APPROVALS BASED ON THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE CITY?
>> THE FIRE FEATURES, THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
>> THE FIRE FUTURE WAS COMPLETED IT JUST NEVER WORKED ACCURATELY.
>> WHEN DID THEY START GETTING CITED, APPROXIMATELY? HAVE THERE BEEN FINES ISSUED?
>> THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO. IT'S WRITING FINES BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED BECAUSE YOU CONTINUE THE CASE ONCE YOU HAVE PROGRESS.
>> I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ITEM FOR WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM THAT THE FINES THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING.
LEX IT WOULD BE >> IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THE NAR.
>> CAN SOMEONE BE A DELAY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THIS FEATURE.
THIS FEATURE WAS SOMETHING THAT LENNAR PUT IN THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS ADVISORY BOARD OR THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED BE PART OF THE ENTRANCE TO PARKLAND BAY IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> SO WHAT IS ALL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE ENTRANCE.
>> TO BE FAIR WITH LANAI LENNAR THEY STARTED WITH WCI.
>> SO IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THIS FIRE FUTURE?
>> THAT WAS CORRECT. THEY BROUGHT FORWARD AS PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY.
>> I'M UNAWARE OF ANY ORDINANCE REQUIRING FIRE FEATURES. I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION.
CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME A UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IS BROKEN?
>> I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME IS AND COULD NOT GET IT TO WORK.
THEY TRIED DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET OPERATE OPERATIONAL AND FUNCTIONAL THEY HAD CONSULTANTS TRYING TO GET TO WORK AND THEY JUST COULDN'TGET TO WORK . SO THEY LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS PRETTY ENTRANCE BECAUSE THE FIRE PITS THEY CANNOT GET THEM TO LIKE.
>> DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO WHY THIS IS NOT WORKING?
>> SAME ANSWER, WHEN WE DID THE DRC COMMENTS VERY GENERAL.
>> OR IT WORKS AND IS NOT STAY ON FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD PERIOD OF TIME.
>> I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND OF ANY MEANS BUT HAVING TO DO WITH WATER THAT BLOWS ON THE FIRE
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FUTURE AND KEEPING THEM LIT.>> I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF THEIR OTHER FIRE FEATURES THAT THEY BUILT INTO COMMUNITIES AND PARKLAND NONE OF WHICH HAVE EVER WORKED INCLUDING THE ONES THAT ARE BOTH IN CASE DATA AND ONE IN THE MIRROR THEY SEEM TO CHOOSE TO FIRE FEATURES NEAR WATER FEATURES AND I AM NO SCIENTIST BUT USUALLY THOSE THINGS THEY DON'T GET ALONG AS WELL.
DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT I KNOW THE FINES HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED I GUESS WHAT THE DAILY FINES ARE?
>> I DON'T HAVE THE RUNNING AMOUNTS.
>> WAS NOTICE GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT LENNAR INTENDED TO CHANGE THE MATERIAL FEATURE OF THEIR ENTRANCE?
>> NOTICE WOULD BE PROVIDED I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF.
>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOTICE BUT SPECIFICALLY THE RESIDENTS.
>> NOTHING TO THAT EFFECT THERE'S NO REQUIRED TO NOTICE.
>> I CANNOT SAY. THEY COULD HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BUT I WAS NOT PART OF THAT.
>> I ASSUME AND AGAIN I AM NO EXPERT EITHER NOR WOULD I EXPECT ANYONE HERE TO BE EXPERTS IN FIRE FEATURES, I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL TO AVOID MATH AND SCIENCE.
SO SAY WE ALL. IS THERE ANY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE LOSS OF PUTTING IN THE COST OF PUTTING IN THE FOUNTAINS IS LESS THAN THE FIRE FUTURE AGAIN, THIS IS A MATERIAL FEATURE OF THE ENTRANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
>> THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ASK. FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO BUILD AN ELEMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND TECHNICALLY IT BECOMES A MAINTENANCE ITEM TO MAINTAIN THE FUTURE. TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENTIAL OF TRYING TO GET IT TO WORK RATHER THAN CHANGING THE FUTURE, I CANNOT GIVE YOU THAT.
>> I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD SHOW UP TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES. I WILL SAY I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL THAT THERE WAS NOT SPECIFIC NOTICE. I BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY HAS NOT YET TURNED OVER TO THE RESIDENCE TO KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE COUNSEL?
>> SO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DOES NOT KNOW 2? NOTICE TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED NOTICE TO RESIDENTS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THE ENTRANCE FUTURE THEY MAY HAVE WANTED IS POTENTIALLY NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETED.
IS THERE ANY CONTEMPLATION FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE IF THERE IS A COST DIFFERENTIAL RACIAL WILL IT BE PASSED ON TO THE RESIDENCE OR WILL IT BE SUBJECT TO A 15 DAY RIGHTS PER THEIR CONTRACT?
>> I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MATERIAL CHANGE. I CAN ONLY SAY IT'S A MINOR CHANGE.
IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION. I CAN'T WHETHER THIS WOULD TRIGGER A REVISION, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, I AM NOT HOA ATTORNEY. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD.
>> NATE, I WANT TO ADD TO IT. I GET ALL THE CALLS AND COMPLAINTS.
NOBODY EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT THE WATER FEATURE THEY ONLY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
I NEVER GOT ONE CALL FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENCE.
>> I ASSUME YOU MEAN COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE ENTRANCE. AS COMPARED TO JUST COMPLAINTS
IN GENERAL. >> THE OPTIONS WERE STAFF HAD MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON SUBMERSIBLE LED LIGHTS THAT CHANGE COLORS AND ELIMINATE TO GIVE THE SAME EFFECT AND SO MY CLIENT HAS AGREED TO THAT CHANGE AND WILL PUT IN THOSE LIGHTS. AND THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE COSTLY TO INSERT THOSE TYPES OF LIGHTING.
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>> A COUPLE OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF INSUFFICIENT LIGHTING OR CITATIONS REGARDING THE LIGHTING WHO CAN TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT?
>> YES, SO WE HAD SOME RESIDENTS TALK TO US ABOUT AN ACCIDENT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE BUT ABOUT A SPECIFIC ACCIDENT AT THE COMMUNITY AND OUR PLANNING STAFF WENT OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK.
AT FIRST, I WAS PATIENT THERE WERE LIGHTS OUT THERE BEFORE, THEY WERE NOT THERE AND I NOTICED IT WAS DARK. THERE WAS SOME LIGHTING BUT THE ENTRANCE WAS DARK.
SO GAIL WHO JUST GOT ON BOARD DID AN INSPECTION SWEEP AGAINST THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND REALIZED THE ACTUAL FIXTURES IN THE SITE PLANS WERE NEVER INSTALLED.
THIS HAPPENED I WANT TO SAY IN NOVEMBER, LATE NOVEMBER.
>> I AM JUST CURIOUS I KNEW FROM THE OTHER LENNAR COMMUNITIES AND PARKLAND THAT ENTRANCE LIGHTING AND IT DEPICTS WITH ENTRANCE LIGHTING IS SORT OF A RAMP ISSUE OF THE THREE MOST RECENT COMMUNITIES. HOW FAR OFF WERE THEY WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED?
>> THEY HAD NONE OF THE LIGHTS INSTALLED. THE ONLY LIGHTS WERE GETTING WAS LIGHTING FROM THEBUILDING .
>> AND THE MONUMENT? >> I TAKE THAT BACK THEY HAD SOME SOLAR LIGHTS AT THE ENTRANCE AT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THAT IS WHY I WAS THROWN OFF BECAUSE I WENT OTHER THE NIGHT BEFORE AND I NOTICED THE AREA WAS LIT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT BECAME DARK AND THEN NOW THE RESIDENTS CONTACTED US GOING WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE LIGHTING THIS IS A DANGEROUS AND GALA DINNER INSPECTION AND REALIZED THE PHYSICAL STREETLIGHTS WERE NEVER INSTALLED AT THE ENTRANCE.
>> THESE ARE ACTUAL POLES THEY FORGOT TO INSTALL THE POLLS AT THE LOCATION.
>> HAD THIS BEEN SEALED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WAS UNTIL THE PROCESS?
>> THE ENTRANCE OF THE CITY WAS CHECKING TO SEE AND THINK THE ENTRANCE.
>> THE STREET LIGHTING ITSELF NOT NECESSARILY IS THE ENTRANCE LIKE THE GUARDHOUSE FEATURE BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING STREETLIGHTS ACTUALLY GO INTO THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS OF THE COMMUNITY SO THE INTERNAL COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED OUT BY THE CITY.
>> WERE THEY CITED, WAS LENNAR CITED REGARDING THE FAILURE?
>> WE STOPPED ISSUING CO, WE STOP SUBMITTING PERMITS.
>> AS OF RIGHT NOW AS WE SEE HERE ON THE 13TH THEY ARE FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LIGHTING ELEMENTS?
>> AS PART OF THE INSPECTION SWEEP WITH HER OTHER INSPECTIONS DONE TO SEE IF LENNAR HAD FORGOTTEN OTHER THINGS?
>> AT THIS POINT IT WAS JUST TO DO WITH LIGHTING.
>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY, THIS IS MY OWN OPINION, TO CONDUCT A BROADER CHECK OF OTHER FEATURES AND ELEMENTS. NEXT NOTED.
>> I WOULD SAY IF IT WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS ADVISORY BOARD I DO HAVE A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE LED LIGHT CHANGING PIECE BECAUSE IT SAYS, IF POSSIBLE, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT IT SHOULD BE THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO QUALIFY IN ANY FORM. AND BEFORE I PASS THIS ON I WILL ALSO SAY I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD INDICATE THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE OF THIS PARTICULAR BECAUSE OF LENNAR'S BEST PRACTICES WITHIN THE CITY OF PARKLAND AND THE FACT THAT THIS HOA DOES NOT REPRESENT THE RESIDENCE AND WITH THAT I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENT.
>> BEFORE I WENT TO ANTHONY I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY ATTORNEY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOCATED ON PAGE 2 OF THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT THERE IS REFERENCE AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THE LAST ITEM IS THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AND HAS THE ENTRY FEATURE AND THEN THE
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LICENSE AGREEMENT WHICH WAS APPROVED ONEIGHT, 19, 20 .>> SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT I DID JUST FIND THE ITEM WHERE IT WAS APPROVED AND THERE IS A BACKUP IN AGREEMENT THAT GOES THERE UNFORTUNATELY THAT GOES PART OF THE CITY CLERK FILES.
THERE WAS A LINE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY COMPLETED THE ENTRY FEATURE THE PROBLEM IS THE FIRE FEATURE NEVER WORKED.
>> LENNAR, LENNAR, LENNAR. HERE WE GO AGAIN. NOBODY CONTACTED.
NATHANIEL TALKED TO IT. WE HAVE NOT NOTIFIED THE RESIDENCE DIRECTLY.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY CORRESPONDENCE SENT FROM THE APPLICANT TO THE RESIDENCE OF PARKLAND BANK ON THIS ITEM.
>> THERE IS NOT A MALE NOTICE REQUIREMENT SINCE IT'S AN AMENDMENT.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY TOOK ADDITIONAL STEPS TO MAKE THAT ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION.
>> SO BASICALLY, LACK OF COMMON COURTESY, PERHAPS WAS THE ISSUE.THEY FELT THEY WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A CHANGE, PEOPLE EXPECTED IT AND NO ONE CAN GO AHEAD AND HIT A COUPLE BUTTONS ON A COMPUTER AND A SEND OUT SOME SORT OF EMAIL TO PEOPLE TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
>> I CAN CHECK WITH MY CLIENT IT MAY HAVE HAPPENED AND I AM JUST NOT AWARE.
>> SO, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ABSENCE OF RESIDENT NOTIFICATIONS AND AN APPLICANT THAT'S NOT PREPARED TO GIVE US ALL THE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS THAT NATE THOSE THOSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM.
>> I HATE TO CUT YOU OFF BUT LET'S GO TO THE COMMENTS AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WILL YIELD TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD BUT RESPECT TO THE CHAIR I WILL WAIT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO MR. ROGERS.
>> I DON'T HAVE A LOT JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE, LOOKING AT THE RENDERING I DO WANT TO CONFIRM BASED ON WHAT I SEE THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL MATERIALS BEING ADDED IT'S JUST MAKING IT WATER INSTEAD OF FIRE.
>> CORRECT, THE BASIN IS REMAINING THE SAME IT'S THE FIRE ELEMENT IN THE CENTER IS COMING OUT.
>> I BRING IT UP BECAUSE THE OTHER FOUNTAINS WERE A MESS BECAUSE THE METAL ON THE LETTERING OR THE SCREWS SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE.
TO THE SAME ISSUE THAT NATHANIEL BROUGHT UP AS WELL AS ANTHONY SHOULD WE BRING THIS FORWARD I WOULD LIKE TO NO COUNCIL OR IS IT APPROPRIATE OR ALLOWABLE TO BE MOVING FORWARD ONLY IF THERE IS CONFIRMATION OF NOTIFICATION BEING GIVEN TO RESIDENTS SO THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN COMMENTS.
>> SO IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BOARD, IN RESPECT TO THIS MATTER THERE IS NO CITY REQUIREMENTS OR STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT NOTICE BE PROVIDED.
SO YOU CAN NOTE IT AS YOUR COMMENTS BUT WHEN IT GETS A COMMISSION IF THEY WERE TO ASK ME WE HELD IT UP SOLELY OF THAT NOTICE ISSUE I WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT BEEN THE SOLE REASO .
BUT YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
>> ANTHONY SAID COMMON COURTESY AND HISTORY I DON'T THINK IT'S AN IRRATIONAL REQUEST TO BE MADE. IT IS AFFECTING THEIR COMMUNIT .
I THINK SOMEONE DETERMINING WHETHER IT'S MATERIAL OR NOT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE A RESIDENT THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BOARD BEING ABLE TO PASS AN ITEM THAT POTENTIALLY A RESIDENT HAS NO IDEA OF THE IMPACT WHETHER IT BE SMALL OR NOT IS NOT MY PLACE TO SAY.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IF IT'S ALLOWED. IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT.
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>> UNDERSTOOD AND YOU WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT SO YOUR RECOMMENDED CONDITION THEY MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT NOTIFIES DIRECTLY.
>> ALSO, ALLOWING AN APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME OF FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENCE AS THAT OF SAINT WE ARE DOING THI , IT'S WE ARE DOING THIS, HERE IS THE TIMEFRAME TOGETHER POTENTIAL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK BEFORE THEY JUST SO THAT KIND OF THING.
>> I WILL DEFER TO NATHANIEL FOR A MOMENT AND THEN I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WILL SEEK A MOTION.
>> ONE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF THE LED ELEMENT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
CAN SOMEONE WHETHER OR NOT THE OTHER LIGHTING ELEMENTS AT THE ENTRANCE ARE LED? I WILL ALSO SAY AGAIN THERE'S PAST HISTORY IS BOTH OF THOSE COMMITTEES WHERE THEY PUT ORIGINALLY NON-LED BULBS THAN AFTER THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM FAILED IN SEVERAL WAYS WANT UP REPLACING THE PARTS WITH LED. SO WHEN THEY HAVE SOME LEDS AND SOME NOT LED IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP. SO IF THE ITEM WERE TO MOVE FORWARD THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LEDS FOR THIS FIRE FEATURE REPLACED BE THE COLOR CHANGING KIND THAT IT BE THAT THEY ARE ALL LED SO YOU DON'T HAVE A CHECKERBOARD TYPE OF EFFECT.
I DID NOT GET TO TELL MY JOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT LENNAR WAS HAVING TROUBLES WITH THE FIRE FEATURE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS INTENTIONALLY ON FIRE OR ACCIDENTALLY .
>> OKAY, MOVING ON. I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT ARE REITERATING WHAT NATHANIEL HAD BROUGHT UP SO I WILL PUT ON THE RECORD I HADN'T ITEM THAT WAS THE H WEIGHT NOTIFIED, WE GOT THAT ANSWERED. THE OTHER ONE WAS THERE WITH A MALE NOTIFICATION WE GOT THE ANSWER. THE THIRD ITEM WAS THE REASON FOR THOSE ANYONE FOUGHT SOLELY FOR THE FIRE FEATURE. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO OPEN IT THIS ITEM TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SEE NONE I WILL MOVE FORWARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE ITEM 8A. MOTION TO TABLE.
>> SECOND BITE NATHANIEL. GO FOR THE VOTE.
[8.B. Ordinance 2022-001: Engineering Code UpdatesConsideration of an Ordinance of the City Commission of the City of Parkland, Florida, amending the City of Parkland Land Development Code, by amending Article 75 "Community Appearance Board Standards"; Article 90 "Off-Street Parking and Loading"; Article 135 "Engineering Standards"; and Article 145 "Permits, Fees and Bonds" to modify the regulations regarding stormwater management, drainage, utility equipment locations, stacking at entryways to gated communities and bonding; providing for codification, conflicts, severability, and an effective date.]
>> MOVING ONTO ITEM B UNDER NUMBER EIGHT PUBLIC HEARING I WILL READ THE ORDINANCE INTO THE RECORD. ORDINANCE 2022 - 001 ENGINEERING CODE UPDATES.
CONSIDERATION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CITY OF PARKLAND LAND DEVELOPING CODE BY OMITTING ARTICLE 75 COMMUNITY APPEARANCE BOARD STANDARDS ARE AN ARTICLE 145 PERMITS FEES AND BONDS PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE. GAIL, WELCOME AGAIN.
> I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE I MAKE 10 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF PARKLAND.
I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE ABOUT SIX WEEKS NOW AND REESTABLISHING STAFF FOR THE CITY.
I WANT TO CONTINUE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE GOING HERE, BEAUTIFUL.
I AM NOT CITY ENGINEER. AND AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT POSITION IS CURRENTLY VACANT RIGHT NOW. PRIOR TO HIS DEPARTURE CHRIS MORAN WAS THE CITY ENGINEER.
I WAS WORKING WITH HIM TO PUT SOME REGULATIONS INTO THE CODE INTO AN ORDINANCE FORMAT AND ASSISTING HIM WITH THAT PROCESS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO I HAVE
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A POWERPOINT AN OUTGROWTH OF THE POWER POINTS OF THE ORDINANCE AND WITH ME I HAVE WILLIAMS WITH KEITH ENGINEERING IF YOU WENT INTO A TECHNICAL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION HE IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THOSE. IF POSSIBLE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AHEAD AND THEN HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END SO THAT STEVE COULD ADDRESS THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME. SO TO GET STARTED BASICALLY THERE ARE FIVE SECTIONS OF THE PCODE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH. SOME OF THESE ARE RELATING MANY OF THEM ARE CLEANUP, TIDY UP, HOUSEKEEPING REGULATION THAT THEY HAVE DEALT WITH ISSUES IN THE FIELDS. SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE LIKE SIDEWALKS FROM DRAINING ISSUES, STAINED DRIVEWAYS, FENCE LINES THAT HAVE WATER STANDING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE FIRST SECTION WE WILL DEAL WITH MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND UTILITY BOXES. THERE ARE TWO REGULATIONS WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD, ONE IS TO HAVE A SEPARATION OF 18 INCHES BETWEEN UTILITY EQUIPMENT AND FENCES THAT THE PASTOR AND LET DRAINAGE THROUGH. AND THAT FILL UNDERNEATH THOSE BOXES DRAINS PROPERLY.LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THESE ARE GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. OKAY, MOVING ON.
THERE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH STACKING AT THE ENTRANCES TO SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES ESPECIALLY WHEN THE NONRESIDENT ARE BACKING UP AT THE GATE AND PREVENTING THE RESIDENCE FROM ACTUALLY GETTING TO THE GATES. SO, THE THREE REQUIRES 13 VEHICLES TO STACK BEFORE THE ACCESS POINT TO THE RESIDENT LANE COULD BE OBSTRUCTED IN ANY WAY.
IT ALSO DEFINES THAT A STACKING SPACE IS 12 BY 22. THE CODE DOES NOT CURRENTLY ADDRESS GATEDENTRIES AND STACKING FOR NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY .
AS WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE WE THOUGHT MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE GENERAL REGULATIONS TO START PENTRUSTING THAT ISSUE. YOU WILL SEE WE DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT 110 FOOT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USE WITH TWO CARS STACKING ON THE OUTBOARD DIRECTION. AGAIN, DEFINING WHAT THOSE DIMENSIONS OF A STACKING SPACE. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS PROBABLY WHERE MOST OF THE REGULATIONS ARE OCCURRING IN THIS ORDINANCE. WE DEFINED WHAT A DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS IN THE HEADER OF THE SECTION. AND THEN UNDER A3 IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS. IT IS CREATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR DRAINAGE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT TO PREVENT STANDING WATER FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS FOR 825 YEAR RAIN EVENT AND MORE THAN 48 HOURS. RAIN EVENT LASTING MORE THAN 25 YEARS. IF YOU WANT MORE TECHNICAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT STEVE WOULD BE THE GENTLEMAN TO HELP YOU. FOR, IS TALK ABOUT RUNOFF BEING CAPTURED BY A DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH RUNOFF CONDENSATION AND OTHER TEXTS.
FIVE IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS THIS APPLIES TO ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELPMENTS EXCEPT ON THE ONE ACRE OR LARGER LOT. SIX, SIGNS IN A MANNER THAT PREVENTS WATER FROM RUNNING ACROSS SIDEWALKS AND BE CAPTURED UNDER A POSITIVE DRAIN SYSTEM AND DIRECT INTO THE SYSTEM. SEVEN REQUIRES DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS TO ACCOUNT FOR SEASONAL, REGIONAL HIGH GROUNDWATER LEVEL AND PREVENT CAPILLARY RISING SOIL. WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPENING IN THE WESTERN COMMUNITIES.
AGAIN, WATER SHALL NOT POOL AND WITHIN 24 HOURS IN A 25 YEAR EVENT AND RAIN EVENT EXCEEDING THE 25 YEAR EVENTS. EIGHT IS THE DESIGN OF ROADWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE NEED TO ELIMINATE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE AND NINE HAS TO DO WITH ALLOWING DRIVEWAYS TO HAVE WATER DRAIN UNDERNEATH HIM AND NOT TO STAIN. 10 REQUIRES PERVIOUS PAVEMENT SYSTEMS TO ACTUALLY PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND. PERVIOUS PAPERS COULD BECOME
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CLOGGED SO THEY NEED TO BE CLEANED OCCASIONALLY. 11 MAKES THE TABULATIONS ACCOUNT FOR NORMAL IRRIGATION NOT ACTUALLY IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW THAT MUST BE COUNTED.B 12 AND THREE SETS THE STANDARD FOR THE PIPES THAT ARE USING THESE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES TO MEET THE COUNTY'S STANDARDS. EIGHT AND NINE ADDRESS THE SPILL WE ACTUALLY HAD WHERE PHIL IS NOT THE BEST QUALITY AND IS CREATING DRAINAGE PROBLEMS SO THIS IS A TECHNICAL STANDARD FOR THE QUALITY OF THE FILL AND REQUIRES UNSUITABLE FILLED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE. THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS DEAL WITH BONDS.
RIGHTNOW , BONDS ARE HELD FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPERS.
THIS SETS A LITTLE MORE REGULATORY INFORMATION AND ESTABLISHING THE 25 PERCENT OF THE ESTIMATED COST REQUIRES THE TYPE OF FORM OF BOND AND WHAT TYPES OF BONDS CAN BE ACCEPTED.
IT ALLOWS FOR THE PERFORMANCE BOND TO BE RELEASED AFTER THE DEVELOPER OBLIGATIONS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. AND, IT CAN BE PARTIAL RELEASE COULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER. WITH A PARTIAL RELEASE THE WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETED GREATER THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE OVERALL PROJECT AND THE REMAINING WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE REMAIN BONDED AT 125 PERCENT. SECTION 3 ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE BOND TO BE RELEASED IF THERE IS A SALE OF THE PROPERTY TO ANY OWNER AND THAT THE OWNER REPLACES THE BOND WITH HIS OWN.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NORMAL PRACTICES THAT ARE JUST NOT ADDRESSED TECHNICALLY IN THE CODE.SECTION 45 160 DEALS WITH WARRANTY BONDS AND WARRANTY BONDS REPLACED YEARS AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS MAINTAINED FOR THAT PERIOD. THESE REGULATIONS ARE SIMILAR TO THE PERFORMANCE BOND IT REQUIRES 25 PERCENT PERFORMANCE BOND FOR THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD. SETS THE STANDARD ON WHAT THE BOND CAN BE AS FAR AS THE CERTIFIED CHECK, SURETY OR LETTER OF CREDIT. AND THEN ALSO ADDRESSES THE PARTIAL RELEASE OR THE RELEASE WITH THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. AND THAT PREVENTION WRAPS IT UP. AGAIN, MOST OF THESE ARE HOUSECLEANING, HOUSEKEEPING CREATING TECHNICAL STANDARDS THAT ARE SOMETIMES COMMON SENSE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP IF I CAN OR I HAVE MR. WILLIAMS COME UP.
>> WE WILL START ON THE END WITH TODD.
>> I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IT'S LIKE WATCHING SAUSAGE BE MADE.
IT IS APPRECIATED. I WOULD HOPE THESE KINDS OF THINGS KEEP OUR CITY IN GREAT SHAPE AND HOPEFULLY IT CAN PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA WITH THE DRAINAGE AND OIL IN THE WATER. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THIS HELPS WITH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING PROACTIVE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN OVERARCHING COMMENT BECAUSE OF BEEN YEARS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS AND I KNOW USING THE WORDS COMMON SENSE AND THINGS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OR SHOULD KNOW BUT IN DOING THIS EXERCISE IF YOU DO A COMPREHENSIVE SUITE SUITE, ENUNCIATE THESE TYPE OF CODES TYPICALLY IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S CODES.
WHEN YOU FIND IT YOU REALIZE IT'S AREAS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES AND HAPPINESS ISSUES, YOU DO NOT SEE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WATER RECEDING AFTER 24 HOURS OR 48 HOURS IT'S GENERALLY A RULE OF THUMB TO TRY TO GET WATER OUT OF SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WITHIN 72 HOURS BUT NOT THE STATED FACT. WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU IS BASED UPON LESSONS LEARNED. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS COMMON SENSE BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE POWERS THAT BE AT THE STATE THEY USUALLY WORRY MORE ABOUT FLOOD PROTECTION OR WATER NOT COMING TO YOU. NOT NECESSARILY IN YOUR YARD THE WATER SITTING THERE FOR TWO DAYS IS REALLY NOT THEIR CONCERN. I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT IT SEEMS RUDIMENTARY BUT IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT A LOT OF CODES EVEN LOOK AT.
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>> GREAT JOB. WELCOME ABOARD. I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BUILD MORE OF AN ON-SITE PERMITTING. I USED TO WORK WITH ONE IN COCONUT CREEK FOR A LOT OF YEARS. THERE IS DEFINITELY BENEFITS TO HAVING SOMEONE ON SITE LOOK AT THESE THINGS CONTEMPORANEOUSLY AS THEY GO ON WHEN THEY RECOGNIZE THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES THEY CAN ACT QUICKLY.
PLAYING CATCH UP IS NOT FUN. YOU ARE GETTING TO IT AND I APPRECIATE THE GREAT WORK IN TRYING TO MOVE THIS TO FORD. ONE QUESTION ON THIS CONCEPT OF RELEASING BOND AT THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER. SINCE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE CITY COMMISSION IS IN CHARGE OF PURSESTRINGS OF THE CITY MAYBE IT'S A CHARTER ISSUE OR MAYBE FOR THE ATTORNEY BUT WITH RELEASING BOND, RELEASING FUNDS HAVING THE CITY MANAGER HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO WHEN WE WANT THE GOVERNING BODY IN THE CITY HAVING THAT AUTHORITY?
>> I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> I LIKE TO HAVE IT REVIEWED BY THE GOVERNING BODY WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE PURSESTRINGS.
>> NORMALLY IT IS A STEP FUNCTION TO ADDRESS WHETHER THINGS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED TO RELEASE THE BONDS. THAT IS A TYPICAL STEP FUNCTION.
AND COMMISSION IS NOT USUALLY GET INVOLVED.
>> I CAN SAY IS NOWHERE BUT MORE COMMON PRACTICE IT IS HANDLED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
>> SO WHEN I MAKE A SUGGESTION DON'T QUICKLY SAY WE SHOULD HAVE THEM DO THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT COMES TO YOUR MIND?
>> I AM THE LAWYER SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU POLICY INPUT BUT YEAH, IT STAYS AT THE STAFF LEVEL. WITH THAT SAID, COMMISSION COULD MAKE STANDARDS ABOUT WHAT THE MANAGER CAN USE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE, ANTHONY IS CORRECT. WHEN THE THEME BE AND PERMIT RELEASES IT'S NOT A COMMON PRACTICE. BUT IF IT'S FOR CONSIDERATION THEY ARE NOT TYPICALLY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, GREAT JOB.
>> YES. SO, I REALLY HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE SINCE PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME YOU AND I MET ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.
I REALLY HAVE TO SAY AND AGAIN THERE ARE THREE OR MORE EXPERIENCED FOLKS DEALING WITH CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING THAT ARE ON THIS BOARD SO I WILL DEFER TO THEM ON A LOT OF TECHNICAL THINGS ON THIS. BUT AS A LAYPERSON FIRST OF AL , YOUR ABSOLUTE ONE PERCENT CORRECT. WE MAY BE LOOKING AT THIS IN HINDSIGHT AND SAY THIS IS A COMMON SENSE THING. THEY WEREN'T COMMON SENSE THINGS BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW TO EXPECT THESE THINGS UNTIL IT STARTED LITERALLY CASCADING. AS THE DEVELOPMENTS WERE GETTING CONSTRUCTED OUT IN THE NORTHWEST. THE COMPANY SHOULD THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO OF ADEQUATE MAYBE ADEQUATE LEVEL TYPES OF FILL.
WHATEVER GRADE YOU WANT TO GIVE IT IS IN AND OF ITSELF BY ITSELF WOULD NOT HAVE COST THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT REQUIRE WHAT WE NOW SEE IN THIS PROPOSAL.
THE PREVALENCE OF CAPROCK IN THE NORTHWEST PARKLAND WHERE PROPERTIES WERE GETTING BUILT IN AND OF ITSELF WOULD NOT HAVE NECESSITATED THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOMES IN AND OF ITSELF, THE NUMBER OF TWO-STORY HOMES.
IN AND OF THEMSELVES THEY WOULD NOT HAVE NECESSITATED THIS. THE PERFECT STORM OF ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY ALONG WITH A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND COOPERATION FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY NAME WILL NOT BE REPEATED BUT LET'S SAY IT RHYMES WITH SHE NOR.
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FROM THE LAYPERSON'S KNOWLEDE THIS COVERS ALL THINGS IN HINDSIGHT YOU SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU NEEDED. I DO HAVE ONE AND ONLY ONE SUBSTANTIVE QUESTION.IT'S WHAT THE LEGAL ISSUE COMBINED WITH PART OF THE LANGUAGE HERE.
THE LANGUAGE 18 INCHES FROM THE FENCE LINE FROM CERTAIN ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE POOL EQUIPMENT, AC, THINGS OF THAT NATURE NOW I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE A FEW YEARS BACK THAT DEALT WITH THE SETBACK TYPES OF ISSUES OF SIDE YARDS WHICH IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS AND PARKLAND REQUIRED AT LEAST THREE FEET FROM THE END OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LIKE THE AC TO THE PROPERTY. YOU HAD TO GRANDFATHER IN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES IN NORTHWEST PARKLAND BECAUSE THEY HAD GOTTEN THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND ALL OF THEIR AC PADS ARE LIKE 18 INCHES OR LESS AWAY FROM FENCE LINES AND PROPERTIES. MY CONCERN WITH THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE IS DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE SIMILAR GRANDFATHERING LANGUAGE IN THIS SECTION SO WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A RESIDENT AND AGAIN THIS DIDN'T MIND IMPACTING ME PERSONALLY BUT IT COULD HAVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I PUT AN IN-HOME GENERATOR AT MY HOUSE. THE ONLY WAY I WAS ABLE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF PARKLAND FOR THIS GENERATOR AT MY HOUSE WAS THE FACT THAT I WAS GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE THE PAD FROM GENERATOR WOULD HAVE ENCOURAGED ON THE TWO FOOT OR POTENTIALLY THE 18 INCHES. I DON'T WANT TO PUNISH THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE EITHER CURRENT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THEY NEED TO REPLACE OR A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS TO GO IN LIKE AN EXTRA AC, HUMIDIFIER, GENERATOR AND CREATE SOME TYPE OF GRANDFATHERING LANGUAGE FOR THIS. FOR HOMES THAT ARE CO WERE PERMITTED AS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE CAN STILL DO THE THINGS WITH THE HOMES THEY EXPECTED TO DO INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUT THE GENERATOR ON THEIR BACK PATIO OR THEIR POOL PUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK PATIO.
FROM A LAYPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE AGAIN I WILL DEFER TO MR. KAPLAN AND MR. BIXBY INTO HER CHAIR AND MUCH MORE OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE AND THE ENGINEERING TYPE OF STUFF BUT THAT IS MYONLY COMMENT. OTHERWISE , THE NOTICE IS EXTRAORDINARILY WELL WRITTEN
AND WELL DONE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT. WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT SAYS FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND THEN IT WOULD GO FORWARD AS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE.
CORRECT, THANK YOU, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
>> FIRST, WELCOME. WE APPRECIATE HAVING A NEW BLOOD IN THEIR AND WORKING WITH US AND HAVING AN IN-HOUSE STAFF. FIRST QUESTION IS LINE 14 MINIMUM OF TWO PARKING SPACES SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR ALL GUARD HOUSES ALL SHOULD BE ADA COMPLIANCE. GATED RESIDENTIAL, I KNOW MY COMMUNITY AND OTHERS THE OVERALL HOA LANDSCAPE USUALLY BRING TWO OR THREE TRUCKS AND THEY CLOG UP THE PIPELINE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WONDERING IF WE CAN CARVEOUT LANGUAGE THAT SETS ASIDE DESIGNATED AREA FOR LANDSCAPE PARKING ORBIT TRUCK PARKING. OFTEN OF THOSE BIG TRUCKS CLOG UP THE ENTRANCE. NOT INTENTIONALLY IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT.
IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ARE ALWAYS THERE. THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS.
>> ARE YOU TALKING WHEN THEY'RE ENTERING THE NONRESIDENT GATE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY
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HAVE TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS THAT ARE BACKING UP THE ENTRANCE?>> THEY ALSO PARKED TO ACCESS THEIR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE USUALLY THERE ON TRUCK WITH A DUMP IN A TRAILER. IT'S 30 FEET LONG, 35 FEET LONG AND THERE IN THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD. THE ROADS ARE NARROW ENOUGH.
>> THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE SAYING AND IT NUMBER SIX IS EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE CODE ALREADY PAID. DID YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND ANY LANGUAGE BE ADDED FOR LIKE A LOADING ZONE?
>> I 100 PERCENT RECOMMEND WE ADD LANGUAGE TO SET ASIDE AN AREA FOR MAINTENANCE VEHICLE PARKING.
>> LET ME TRY TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. SO YOU PULL INTO A COMMUNITY IF THE GATES INTO THE COMMUNITY TO GET INTO THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE THE PARKING FOR THE GUARD AN ADDITIONAL PARKING WHICH IS TYPICALLY INSIDE THE GATES.
IN SOME CASES IT IS IN SOME CASES IT IS NOT. NOW YOU SAID THAT LOCATION YOU'RE HOPING THERE IS A PULL OFF AREA FOR THESE GUYS THAT'S NOT BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE WAY.
>> LIKE MIGHT DEVELOP IT IS A SMALL. THERE SHOULD BE AN AREA ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE FOR THEM TO PARK.
>> WHEN YOU SAY LARGE TRUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE COMMITTED TO WORK FOR THE HOA? > CORRECT.
>> EVERY COMMUNITY WILL BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE SOME COMMITTEES HE CANNOT PULL INTO THERAPY LOCATION WE CAN PULL OFF.
>> NOT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE NEED LANGUAGE TO PROTECT THIS.
ASK I AM WONDERING >> I'M WONDERING IF THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE GENERAL IN NATURE.
>> IT SHOULD ADDITIONALLY GENERAL BECAUSE IT'LL END UP IN A STAFF COMMENTS.
>> BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE FLATBEDS SO YOU'RE THINKING LARGER.
>> THE LANDSCAPING FIRM THERE USUALLY THERE FOR FOUR HOURS SO THEY ARE THERE ALL DAY.
>> BEFORE I FORGET YOU MIGHT WANT TO INTERJECT IF HE GETS MORE IN-DEPTH THINK ABOUT CLOSURES YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM. PRIVACY SCREENING SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AT YOUR ENTRY MIGHT AS WELL MAKE IT PART OF THE GRADING THE LANDSCAPE CREATING THE LANDSCAPE OF HER.
>> IT HELPS THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE ROOM TO WORK SAFELY.
>> IF THE ENGINEER WOULDN'T MIND IF YOU DEFINE FOR THE GROUP.
>> DID YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE ARE DONE?
>> WHAT IS A 25 YEAR RAIN EVENT?
>> STEVE WILLIAMS CONSULTANT TO THE CITY. 25 YEAR STORM EVENT THAT IS A STATISTICAL NUMBER IT WOULD BE ONE IN 25 CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD GET THAT STORM EVERY YEAR.
IT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY 25 YEARS YOU FLIP A COIN AND 50 PERCENT YOU GET IT OR NOT.
ONLY 25 PERCENT CHANCE TO GET IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAND GAUGES THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA AND THEY HAVE FOR YEARS MAINTAINED THIS HABIT INTO THEIR STORMWATER PLAN THEY HAVE A MAP IS ACTUALLY RECENTLY BEEN UPDATED BY USGS SO THERE'S NO STATISTICAL ANALYSIS FOR RAINFALL. IT WAS LIKE A GOOGLE MAP NOW YOU CLICK ON YOUR AREA AND IT TELLS YOU 15, 25, 50, 100, THOSE ARE THE STATISTICAL CHANCES OF GETTING THAT AMOUNT
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OF RAINFALL IN ANY PARTICULAR YEAR.>> IT IS INTERESTING LOOKING AT THE NEW USGS DATA. SOME OF THE LOWER FREQUENCY STORMS ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN SOME OF THE HIGHER FREQUENCY STORMS BE 25 OR 100 YEAR ARE ACTUALLY LOWER WHEN YOU COMPARE WITH THE NEW USGS DATA IS.
IT IS AN UPDATED NATIONWIDE COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ISSUED AND BY SOUTH FLORIDA THAT IS A 30 OR 40-YEAR-OLD DATA. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOME AGENCIES STILL USING THAT DATA AND HAVE BEEN USING FOR YEARS. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO USE THE NEW TECHNICAL DATA THAT USGS CAME UP WITH. THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.
>> IN SECTION 4 ON THE SAME PAGE LINE 43, ARE YOU STATING IN HERE WHERE IT SAYS CAPTURE BY POSITIVE TRAINING SYSTEM ARE THE DOWNSPOUTS ON THE SIDE IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE MORE HEIGHT TO THE LENGTH OF THE DRAINAGE.
>> TO A POSITIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO A STRUCTURE. ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE PRIOR IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THEY ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND IN THE TYPICAL WAY THERE IS ENOUGH PERVIOUS AREA IT REALLY IS TIGHT.
THAT'S WHITE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE IT TO A POSITIVE DRAINAGE.
>> SO NO PIPE IT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE?
>> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES IN CODE FORMULATION. YOU CAN PIGEONHOLE PEOPLE INTO ONE SPECIFIC DESIGN.
KEEP IT IN GENERAL SAY IN A POSITIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS OF THE DIFFERENT FORMS OF DESIGN.
>> FAIR ENOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION BECAUSE SIX INCH DRAINAGE PIPE THAT'S UNDERGROUND YOU NEED TO PUT A HEADWALL IN BUT YOU CAN PUT A STRUCTURE THERE.
>> IT BOILS DOWN TO THE MAIN THING WITH DRAINAGE IS DON'T MAKE A POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. MAKE A PUDDLE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> PAGE 7 OF 11 PARAGRAPH A LINE 25. THIS PARAGRAPH IDENTIFIES AN EXCITING PT WC AND THE CITY OF PORTLAND THERE ACTUALLY IS EASEMENTS DESIGNATED IN THE COMMUNITY AND I'M WONDERING ARE WE EXPECTING TO KNOCK DOWN AND REBUILD HOMES, NO.
BUT THERE ARE PIPE THAT ARE AGING THERE AND EASEMENTS EXIST.
DO WE NEED TO ADD CAREMARK ASSOCIATION TO THAT. IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M ON THAT BOARD.
>> I WONDER IF WE CAN ENCOMPASS THAT BY SAYING OR SIMILAR ENTITY, ANTHONY.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT WERE SUB DRAINAGE REPRESENTATIVE AND AT THE CITY. AS FAR AS I KNOW CYPRUS HAS THEIR OWN AS WELL.
SO SOME LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT OR SIMILAR ENTITY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE I THINK IT WILL DO THE TRICK.
>> NEXT, THE BONDS. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
I DO AGREE WITH ANTHONY I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
>> I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA I HAD.
>> WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THE LESS APPLICANT THAT CAME UP AND WAS APPLYING FOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL OUT WEST AND NOTHAVING TO PAY AS
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MUCH MONEY. BASED ON THE COMMISSION VOTE. I THINK IT STILL SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP TO THE COMMISSION.>> I DON'T THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY IS CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT.
>> HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR REFERENCE.
>> AT THE END DIDN'T THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO PAY $900,000 AND THEY
SETTLED UNLESS. >> THAT IS NOT RELATED TO BONDS, FYI.
>> SHORT ANSWER FOR CLARIFICATION IT WASN'T THAT STRAIGHT UP DEAL JUST LIKE THAT. THERE WAS A DEDICATION OF LAND AND MORE ACRES.
>> IF I COULD BECAUSE THE PARTIAL RELEASE AND AGAIN I UNDERSTAND IT IS LESSONS LEARNED. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH BUT BEFORE DEALING WITH THOSE LESSONS YOU HAD DEVELOPERS THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY AND WERE IN COOPERATION AND THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION WORLD WORKS FOR ANYONE WHO UNDERSTANDS BONDING THE COMPANY USUALLY YOU'RE PUTTING IN A CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE SO ONCE THOSE STRUCTURES ARE APPROVED, INSPECTED AND APPROVED USUALLY THE COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THE REQUIREMENTS SO GIVING THE PARTIAL RELEASES HAS NOT LIVED THE OBLIGATION ON WHAT IS REQUIRED.
THEY WOULD COME TO CITIES AND THEY WOULD SAY WE WANT A PARTIAL RELEASE OF HER BOND WE WILL STILL KEEP IN PLACE WHATEVER REQUIREMENT IS SO WE ARE MOVING IT ALONG PROGRESSIVELY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GOOD DEVELOPERS AND PARTNERSHIPS AND GOOD STEWARDS AND THIS IS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX YOU CAN UTILIZE AND HAVE IT LEVEL UP TO CITY APPROVAL WITHOUT WE HAD CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE PROCESS.
>> IS THERE A REASON WHY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE HER ON BOND FORM? TWO SIMPLE FINDINGS. I KNOW I DEAL WITH DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES ALL OF THE TIME.
>> WE HAVE OUR OWN BOND FORM BUT THE BOND TYPE MEANING THE SURETY BOND OR LETTER OF CREDIT I THINK IS WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO.
>> SAYS FORM ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY.
>> THE BOND TYPE FORM IT IS A TONGUE TWISTER. WE HAVE OUR OWN FORM YOU BRINGING BUT THE BOND TYPE WE ARE SAYING AS TO BE THE LETTER A RATING, THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THAT IS INDUSTRY-STANDARD.
>> FORM I WAS THINKING FORM I HAD TO SIGN.
>> WE HAVE A FORM ONLINE MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE SAID BOND TYPE, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT BETTER.
>> I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK. FIRST ONE IS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION UNDER GATED NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES YOU SAID THE STATISTICS THERE OF FIVE VEHICLES THAT THOSE WERE GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS. WE DID RESEARCH AND IS COMPARABLE WITH THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM I HEARD THAT RIGHT? MY LAST QUESTION JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF THE PRESENCE BEHIND IT IS UNDER THE DRAINAGE SUBSECTION B MATERIALS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, PAVEMENT AND PAVEMENT SYSTEMS SHOULD BE SEALED AFTER INSTALLATION TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE MANUFACTURERS RECOGNITION. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THEY SHOULD BE SEALED SO I ASSUME THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CEILING DRIVEWAYS IN THE NEW COMMUNITY? ASK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PHONE OR DECIDES TO WIDEN OR EXTEND THEIR DRIVEWAY?
>> WE DON'T SPECIFY THE PERSON WHO IS DOING IT WE SAFETY OF CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, PAPER SYSTEMS IT IS GENERIC IT IS NOT SATAN OR OLD OR AN EXTENSION OR WIDENING.
>> THE QUESTION IS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING TO MAYBE AESTHETICS THINK BUT
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THERE ARE TWOTYPES OF CONCRETE SEALS . THERE ARE DIFFERENT TEXTURES TO THEM. HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU WIDEN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THE HOMEOWNER COMES IN SAYS I AM SUPPOSED TO SEAL IT AND BUYS SEAL FROM HOME DEPOT AND SEALS THAT DRIVEWAY AND NOW HE HAS STRIPES ON THE DRIVER. THE SEALERS DON'T MATCH UP SAVIOR REPLACING SIDEWALK OR SECTION OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. MIGHT BE CREATING.>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW IT'S NEVER GOING TO PERFECTLY MATCH.
IMPOSSIBLE BUT AT LEAST SOME SORT OF GENERAL LANGUAGE TO STATES WITHIN REASON.
I AM NOT A COLD CRAFTER. SOMETHING TO PUT IN THERE TO COVER US.
>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE THAT COULD CREATE
ISSUES. >> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CREATE COLD YOU ARE RESOLVING ONE THING AND THEN OPEN UP ANOTHER THING.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE ANSWER BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
>> WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE ON IT. THAT WILL BE TOUGH.
>> YOU CAN BUT WHAT IF THE COMPANY GOES OUT OF BUSINESS AND THE PRODUCT BECOMES UNAVAILABLE? OTHER THAN THAT THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.
>> I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. LET ME BACK UP, COMMENTS, FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
I USED TO OWN A PROPERTY IN BROWARD OVER 10 ACRES AND IT HAD FOR FLOOD ELEVATIONS.
FEMA CHANGED THEIR FLOOD ELEVATIONS, HOW TO THAT EFFECT THE USGS? HOW DO THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER USGS COMPARED TO FEMA?
>> THEY ARE DOUBLE AGENCIES, USGS IS AMOUNT OF RAINFALL FOR FLOOD INSURANCE.
FEMA SETS A FLOOD ELEVATION THEY DO A BROAD-BASED AREAWIDE MODEL OF CERTAIN RAINFALL EVENTS. THEY COME UP WITH A FLOOD ELEVATION WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE USGS RAINFALL WE TALK ABOUT. THE FEMA MAP IS A COMPUTER MODEL AND IT GETS INVOLVED IN THE DERIVATIVES AND ENGINEERING TECHNICAL STUFF ALONE WERE INVOLVED THEY ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THE LAND CONSORT, HOW MUCH RAIN IS RUNNING OFF, HOW MUCH LAKE AREA IS IT IN THE COME UP WITH AN ELEVATION. IT'S NOT EXACTLY SCIENCE A LOT COMES FROMSATELLITE DATA . IT'S BETTER WHEN THERE'S A PLANNED COMMUNITY THEN THEY HAVE DONE THOSE CALCULATIONS IN DETAIL. FEMA ACTUALLY USES THOSE IN DETERMINING THEIR ELEVATION THEIR 25 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION. NOT EVERY PLACE, MOST PLACES DO NOT HAVE THAT DETAIL DONE SO WHEN FEMA CONTRACTS WITH THIS THEY HAVE RECENTLY DONE SOME UPDATES. IT HAS BEEN UPDATED A COUPLE OF TIMES, ACTUALLY.
WE ARE USING AN UPDATED ONE FROM THE 2000 THEY ACTUALLY DID A PRELIMINARY APP THEY WERE USING BY PERMITTING AGENCIES IN 2019. BUT THE STATE HAS SAID YOU MAY NOT REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH A PRELIMINARY MAP. THERE'S QUITE A PROCESS IN GETTING A PRELIMINARY MAP ACTUALLY ON THE BOOKS IN FEMA AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SOMETIMES THREE OR FOUR YEARS BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
WE KNOW THERE IS THIS PRELIMINARY MAP THAT WILL GET ADOPTED AT SOME POINT IN TIME HERE. THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY WILL SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN THE ROAD.BUT BUILDING DEPARTMENTS CAN NO LONGER SAVE YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE
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FEMA LUMINARY MAP PRELIMINARY MAP. SOME OF THE UPGRADES ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.>> THE REASON FOR THAT QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. THE REASON FOR THE QUESTION WAS TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE AND TYPICALLY WERE NOT TYPICALLY BUT BY CODE STANDARDS AND BUILDING CODE I BELIEVE FINISHED FLOORS ARE DERIVED BASED ON FEMA OR THE OTHER AGENCY, OTHER FEDERAL AGENCY? IT USED TO BE 18 INCHES ABOVE THE CROWN OF THEROAD AND WHAT SERVES AS THE CROWN OF THE ROAD ? JUST A COMMENT IT'S VERY INTERESTING INTRICATE.
>> THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CRITERIA WE LOOK AT. IT'S FEMA +1 WHICH IS THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT. FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IS ADOPTED A CODE PUT OUT BY CIVIL ENGINEERS AND THAT REQUIRES YOU TO LOOK AT THE FEMA ELEVATION AND GO ABOVE THAT LIKE IF IT'S A HOSPITAL OR NURSING TECH FACILITY OR AN EMERGENCY CENTER THEY HAVE TO BE TWO FEET ABOVE WHATEVER FEMA IS. THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA IN THIS MANUAL.BUT THE FLORIDA BUILDING WOULD ADOPT THAT MANUAL.
LOOK AT THE FEMA ELEVATION AND PRODUCING THAT THEY USE THAT THE USGS RAINFALL EVENTS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SOMETIMES THEY GET MODIFIED IS NOT LIKE THEIR SET IN STONE.
THE USE THAT TO SET THE FEMA WAS ONE OR TWO DEPENDING ON BUILDING TYPE.
TOOK A LOOK AT THE CITY CODE AND ORDINANCE AND ASSOCIATIVE 18 INCHES FOR RESIDENT.
IF THE FEMA +1 OR TWO THEN USE THE HIGHER ONE.HE OTHER THING YOU LOOK AT IS THE PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED ON THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT IF YOU'RE COMING INTO A DEVELOPMENT WITH A PERMITTED AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY MAYBE HUNDREDS OF ACRES WITH THOUSANDS OF ACRES YOU LOOK AT PWHAT THE ELEVATIONS WERE FOR A 100 YEAR STORM ARE 25 YEAR STORM FOR THAT SITE AND YOU SAID ON THAT. THERE MAY BE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PARAMETERS YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING HIGHER ONE.
>> DOES FEMA NEED TO BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE CODE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? IF IT DOES.
>> FEMA IS PART OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ANYTHING DONE MUST BE THE FEMA SO THAT IS PART OF ANY BUILDING WHEN THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TAKES A LOOK AND REVIEW THE PLAN AFTER REVIEW IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND YOU.
>> SO WE ARE REQUIRING GUTTERS ON CERTAIN TYPES OF STRUCTURES I DON'T BELIEVE BIDDERS THEY MAY BE IN THE BUILDING CODE BUT GUTTERS I BELIEVE ARE IN ITEM THAT IS PERMITTED BY THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE OTHERWISE THE ATTACHMENT, IS NAILED ON AND IT IS NOT NAILED ON PROPERLY WITH PROPER ATTACHMENTS THEY COULD BLOW AWAY.
JUST FOR US TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE HAVE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED.
THAT IS REQUIRED BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
IF THAT IS CORRECT I APOLOGIZE. IF THAT'S INCORRECT I APOLOGIZE.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GUTTERS OR ATTACHMENTS IT'S TAKING WATER THAT DROPPED AND CHANNELING IT AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. NOT JUST LETTING IT, LIKE TYPICALLY DONE IN MOST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHERE IT SPELLS OUT ON THE GROUND AND THAT'S THE REASON WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT THE SETBACKS OF THE HOMES AND CLOSE PROXIMITY IS PUTTING TOO MUCH WATER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HOMES.
>> FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS UNDER DRAINAGE.
>> IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, CHAIR. AS I STATED EARLIER FOR ITS THAT WAS TYPICALLY SHOWN IN CODES TO YOUR POINT YOU ARE CORRECT.
USUALLY GUTTERS WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND NOT NECESSARILY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. BUT THE OTHER CODES THEY HAD ISSUES AND IT WAS PROBLEMATIC
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THESE ARE THE DEVICES THEY PUT IN PLACE IN HER CODE TO HAVE REQUIREMENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.>> I FULLY SUPPORT IT I THINK IT'S GREAT. REQUIRED FOR ALL NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T SEE GUTTERS TYPICALLY ON AN ARCHITECTURAL SET OF PLANS FOR NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
IF IT'S NOT ALREADY IT SHOULD BE WORDED TO THAT EFFECT BECAUSE YOU WON'T FIND GUTTERS ON AN APPLICATION FOR PERMIT ON A SET OF BLUEPRINTS FOR A HOUSE.
>> I AM BEING TOLD BY GAIL THAT LINE 5 HAS BEEN UPDATED. IT'S NOT JUST SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IT IS ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. PAVERS I SUPPORT THAT ALSO BUT MOST MANUFACTURERS DREAM TRIM CODE HEAVY ESTIMATE TO SEND WHAT THEY RECOMMEND SEALING THE PAVERS.
IN MY EXPERIENCE YOU DON'T RECOMMEND SEALING THEM AND MAY CREATE EFFERVESCENCE I DON'T TEND TO BE A SCIENTIST JUST A MATTER OF IDENTIFYING WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WILL.
THE PRODUCT OR FOR WARRANTY PURPOSES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CAR STACKING.
WE HAD GONE THROUGH A PROCESS AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WOULD BE NOT A STATE OF LENGTH BUT BASED ON HAVING SOME CORRELATION WITH THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR SMALLER NUMBER OF UNITS IN COMMUNITY VERSUS 600 VERSUS 100 AND COMMUNITY MIGHT NOT BE ADEQUATE AND PROPER FOR STACKING MEASUREMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS TO BE THESAME . I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THAT.
>> FYI, THE CONCEPT YOU ARE REFERRING TO DID NOT CHANGE IT'S STILL IN THE CODE REGARDING THE TRAFFIC COLUMNS FOR THAT COMMUNITY. WHAT WE DID WAS MODIFY THE MINIMUM DISTANCE SO IN EXISTING CODE THE MINIMUM DISTANCE RIGHT NOW IS 220 FEET AND WE INCREASED TO 300 JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE EXTENSION ON THE ENTRANCE.
>> YOU GUYS ALREADY CHANGE THIS. WE WENT THROUGH AND CHANGED IT BEFORE AND IT WASN'T WORKING SO WERE LINKING IT MORE.
>> A LOT OF THIS STUFF SEEMS LIKE WITH RESPECT TO THE BONDS THAT WE TAKE AWAY OR MAYBE TO LOCATE BUT WE HAVE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT LANGUAGES IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY ARE AGREEING TO PERSIST IN GENERAL CODE IS IT ACCURATE? BOND RELEASING AND DATES AND SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELEMENTS.
>> YES, LIKE THE TIME FRAMES OF COMPLETION AND THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I WOULD AGREE.
>> LAST ITEM. ON PAGE 6 AGAIN AFFECTED DRAINAGE.
THE RATE IT TALKS NUMBER EIGHT IT TALKS ABOUT THIRD LINE NUMBER 28 IT REPORTS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND IT WAS UNTRUE TO FIND THE REQUIREMENTS.
WOULD THAT BE TOO LATE AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION IS RELATIVE TO A LARGE AREA AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT?
>> A LOT OF WHAT OF HAPPENS IN THE FIELD IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY PLACE BECAUSE THE FILM MIGHT NOT BE NATIVE MATERIAL SO WHEN WE DO A ROADWAY INSPECTION THEY DO A PROCTOR LIKE A TEACHER BUT IN THIS CASE IS A PROCTOR. PROCTOR USED TO DETERMINE THE TYPE OF MATERIAL IT'S COMPASSION ABILITY ANY OF A GRADATION AND HOW MUCH EFFORT IT TAKES TO CONTACT IT IN THE PROCTOR ANALYSIS THEY CAN GET A GRADATION.
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WE HAVE SPOKEN WE MAY WANT TO INTRODUCE WE SAY IT HAS TO MEET THE CITY OF PARKLAND SINNERS WHICH REFER TO DOT WHICH IS DIFFERENT GRADATION AND DIFFERENT LEVELS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, THE INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE WATER ON THE SURFACE.>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, TOO. THIS ONE GENERALLY WHEN YOU ARE TAKING THESE PROCTOR RESULTS AND DENSITY RESULTS IS USUALLY FOR FEATURES LIKE YOU ROADS AND SIDEWALKS YOUR BUILDING PAD ON YOUR HOME. THIS CODE IS NOT WRITTEN TO TALK ABOUT FILLER BEING PLACED IN ANY AREA THAT HAS DRAINAGE POSSIBILITIES.
YOUR YARD, ANYWHERE, SO THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS WHICH IS WHY STEVE AND I WERE TALKING BEFORE THIS MEETING IS I AM GOING TO WORK WITH THEIR COMPANY TO HELP US CRAFT A METHODOLOGY FOR THE CITY ON INSPECTION ON WHAT WE DO. YES, SOMEONE CAN CERTIFY THE LAB RESULTS BUT WILL HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF IN THE FIELD TO PULL BACK AND TO MAKE SOME SENSE OF IT ALL. WE WILL COME UP WITH INTERNAL PROCESSES ON HOW WE HANDLE THAT. THIS IS TAKING EVERY INCH OF FILLER ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I HEAR SOME ENTHUSIASM FROM THE STAFF ON THIS. I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR EYES BUT I CAN TELL YOU ARE LIKE GOOD FOR YOU TO GET THE STUFF DONE.
>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IWILL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC .
THERE WAS SOMEONE IN THE BACK I SEE NO LONGER. SO I WILL CLOSE INTO THE PUBLIC. AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FORSTAFF .
>> MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
>> I WILL TAKE THE GAMBLE ASIDE AND I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE.
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>> THANK YOU ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
>> ONLY THE NOTE THE VOTE TO DEFER THE FIRST ITEM VERSUS, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS FEBRUARY 10 SO WE WILL SEE YOU ALL THEN, HOPEFULLY. AT THIS POINT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ITEM IN THIS GAIL YOU HAVE ANYTHING EXPECTED.
>> NO, IN FACT THE MEETING RIGHT NOW THERE WOULD BE NO ITEMS SCHEDULED IN THE SEAT TABLED ITEM COMES BACK FOR THE MEETING.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL COME BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN YOU TABLE THE ITEM IT'S GONE AND NOT SHOWING BACK ON YOUR AGENDA IF YOU DIFFERENT TO A DATE CERTAIN THAT COMES BACK ON A DATE CERTAIN. I THINK CAITLIN SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY LEFT SO THEY WILL BE BACK IN FEBRUARY.
>> IT HAS TO BE AN ACTION ITEM FOR THEM TO COME BACK.
>> BY TABLING IT WE DO NOT MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS. IF THEY WISH TO GO AHEAD AND FILE AND COME BACK HOPEFULLY WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES WE WOULD THEN CONSIDER THOSE.
> RIGHT, WHEN YOU TABLE IT YOU PUT ON THE TABLE AND UNLESS YOU TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE AT THE SAME MEETING WHATEVER IT IS IT DIES.
>> THEY WILL BE COMING BACK HERE.
>> THAT'S CORRECT AND HOPEFULLY MORE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
> THAT WAS MY INTENTION WITH THE TABLING.
>> MOTION TO ADJOURN TRADE I WILL SECOND THAT, TOO. THANK YOU EVERYONE, GREAT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.