EVERYONE, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETING FOR THE CITY OF
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PARKLAND TO ORDER WEDNESDAY, JULY 7TH, 2021 AT SIX PM.PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.
ROLL CALL, COMMISSIONER, ISRAEL HERE, COMMISSIONER CUTLER HERE, MAYOR WALKER HERE IS MAYOR MAYOR SENT HERE, COMMISSIONER BARNIER HERE.
THANK YOU. OK, SO, CAITLIN, WE HAVE SET UP WORKSHOPS.
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WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM CAITLIN.SO. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR POWER, POWERPOINT.
OK. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS PROMISED, WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION HERE AND THEN, OF COURSE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT OUR SUBJECT MATTER AT THE END.
SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S WORKSHOP, OF COURSE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH CITY COMMISSION KIND OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES AND WHAT TO DO WITH THEM. SO HERE WE ARE, OUR WORKSHOP TONIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CITY'S PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES TO SEE IF THERE SHOULD BE ANY AMENDMENT TO THOSE PERMITTED USES OR IF WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER A NEW MECHANISM BY WHICH TO CONSIDER NEW OR ADDITIONAL USES.
SO TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO QUICKLY REVIEW OUR ZONING DESIGNATIONS AND THE ZONING MAP. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST COUPLE OF HEARINGS AND MEETINGS.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOUR CONSIDERATIONS OR POTENTIAL ACTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.
AND SINCE WE'RE IN A WORKSHOP FORMAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE FOR MOVING FORWARD.
SO HERE IS OUR EXISTING ZONING MAP, AND YOU'LL SEE, AS WITH MOST STANDARD ZONING MAPS, ARE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE, GOING TO BE THE RED AND THE PINK COLORS.
LARGELY YOU'LL SEE SOME POPPYSEED, WHICH IS OUR PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE LARGELY LOOKING AT BE ONE, TWO AND THREE COMMERCIAL USES OUT THERE ALONG STATE ROAD SEVEN TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE OR OTHER.
AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT.
SO IT GIVES US AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND ONES THAT MAY BE IMPACTED.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OWNERS TO REZONE.
SO NOT LIMITED TO JUST THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WE'VE HAD SOME BACKGROUND DISCUSSION ON THIS AND THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS IS ACTUALLY CODIFIED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S WRITTEN OUT IN A NICE LONG BLOCK OF TEXT THERE.
EXACTLY. VERBATIM HOW IT READS IN OUR CODE.
BUT BASICALLY IT GIVES AN APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO THE CITY AHEAD OF SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION, SIT DOWN, TALK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MYSELF, MICHEL, ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY BE OF CONCERN, WHETHER THAT'S ENGINEERING OR LANDSCAPE, AND ALMOST GIVE US A HIGH LEVEL PITCH OF THEIR PROJECT, BRING IN SOME CONCEPTUAL LEVEL DRAWINGS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY AGAIN AT THAT HIGH LEVEL, JUST TALKING ABOUT ANY APPARENT OR NOTICEABLE CONCERNS, HICCUPS THAT MIGHT COME UP ALONG THE WAY. AND THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER APPLICATIONS THEY MIGHT NEED, OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER.
WE'VE DONE THIS PROCESS WITH A HANDFUL OF APPLICANTS, BUT IT ISN'T A PROCESS THAT IS VERY PROMOTED IN THE CITY AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT REALLY APPARENT IN THE CODE.
IT'S KIND OF BURIED. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE IS THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WEB PAGE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCLUDE SOME SORT OF BANER TWEAK THE PAGE IN SOME FORMAT TO REALLY ADVERTISE THE FREE APPLICATION PROCESS A A WE HAVE THIS PROCESS.
WE'D LOVE TO INVITE YOU TO COME INTO THE CITY.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO SUBMITTING ANY SORT OF APPLICATION AT INSERT OUR NO EMAIL.
SO WE REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, MAKE IT APPARENT, MAKE IT FOREFRONT ON THE PLANNING WEBPAGE JUST TO ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO UTILIZE THAT PROCESS.
BECAUSE I THINK TO THIS POINT, MAYBE IT'S BEEN UNDERUTILIZED TO THE DISADVANTAGE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, APPLICANTS, ET CETERA.
SO THAT'S ONE STEP SEPARATE AND APART FROM OUR MAIN CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. SO THE FUN STUFF FOR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE, AND WE CAN HAVE A GROUP CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MERITS OF EACH ONE AT THE END, I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THESE OPTIONS.
WE ARE PUTTING IN MORE OF A HOLISTIC LIST.
THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL OF
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THE OPTIONS THAT WE KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT IN ONES THAT MAYBE OTHER CITIES USE AS WELL.SO THE FIRST OPTION IS DO NOTHING.
YOU COULD SAY THAT THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, WHICH STATES THAT UNLESS THEY USE A SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, THEN IT'S PROHIBITED.
YOU COULD SAY THAT THAT'S BEEN DOING THE CITY JUSTICE FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS NOW.
YOU COULD SAY THAT THE STATUS QUO IS GOOD THE WAY IT IS, THAT MAYBE THE BREWPUB USE IS AN OUTLIER AND THAT THIS REALLY HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE IN THE CITY.
LEAVE IT AS IT IS. OPTION TWO, AND I'LL PREFACE BY SAYING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T REALLY PROMOTE THIS OPTION, BUT OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO REVIEW THE PERMITTED USES AS THEY ARE IN THEIR CURRENT TABLE AND THEN GO THROUGH AND ADD NEW USES.
YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE PRACTICE OF TAKING AWAY USES, BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ADD USES BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION AND ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT THE BOARD AND THIS COMMISSION DID, THE LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT MIGHT BE A TEDIOUS PROCESS, TRYING TO GAIN CONSENSUS ON AN INDIVIDUAL USE CASE BY CASE OR ONE BY ONE.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY RECOMMEND, BUT AGAIN, A VIABLE OPTION FOR CONSIDERATION. OPTION THREE IS TO IMPLEMENT A USE VARIANCE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS USED IN THE CITY OF PLANTATION.
IT'S NOT, AGAIN, A RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT JUST FOR SOME LEGAL CONCERNS. THERE'S A LOT OF CODES TO ACTUALLY GO SO FAR AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT A USE VARIANCE IS PROHIBITED, BUT JUST LIKE A VARIANCE FOR THE STANDARD DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA FOR A SETBACK OR LACK COVERAGE, A USE VARIANCE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION THAT AN APPLICANT SUBMITS TO DEVIATE FROM THE PERMITTED USE TABLE.
IN THIS CASE, THE CITY OF PLANTATION HAS ABOUT 12 USE VARIANCE CRITERIA, WHEREAS MOST CITIES HAVE A STANDARD, PRETTY STANDARD SET OF FIVE VARIANCE CRITERIA.
SO THEY SUPPLEMENT THOSE VARIANCE CRITERIA.
AGAIN, NOT VERY POPULAR AMONG CITIES.
I THINK PLANTATION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE COULD FIND IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA FOR SURE THAT USES THAT AND NOT NOT A WIDESPREAD USE, BUT IN OPTION.
THE ONE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES SUGGEST AS A POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION, IF YOU WERE NOT LEANING TOWARDS THE DO NOTHING ROUTE OR THE STATUS QUO ROUTE, IS THE CONCEPT OF ADDING A NEW DISTRICT.
AND THIS NEW DISTRICT WOULD BE AKIN TO OUR CURRENT PCD, THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT WOULD BE A FLEXIBLE DISTRICT AND IT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS. AN APPLICANT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A REZONING APPLICATION.
AND WITH THIS NEW DISTRICT, WE WOULD PERMIT B ONE AND B TWO COMMERCIAL USES BY WRIGHT.
ONE THING THAT SETS THIS DISTRICT APART FROM THE PCD WOULD BE THE ACCOMMODATION OF ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL RECREATION USES THAT AREN'T SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE PERMITTED USE TABLE THROUGH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS.
SO SAY THERE'S POP STROKE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIAL USE THAT ISN'T SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN OUR TABLE.
AN APPLICANT COULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD IN THE COMMISSION AND REQUEST APPROVAL OF THAT USE THROUGH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED OR PERMITTED IN ANOTHER DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE USING THIS AS A DEFAULT TO AVOID GOING TO THE OTHER DISTRICT WHERE THOSE USES ARE ALLOWED.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND A COUPLE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS NEW DISTRICT, WE WOULD PROMOTE THE CONSIDERATION AT LEAST OF REQUIRING A PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN APPLICANT WHO'S SEEKING THAT SPECIAL USE.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION USED TO MEET WITH ADVERTIZE AND NOTICE A HEARING MEET WITH THEIR SURROUNDING RESIDENCE WITHIN, SAY, FIVE HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND FEET AND HOST SOME SORT OF ONE HOUR WORKSHOP WITH THOSE RESIDENTS, GET FEEDBACK, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF MEETING, SUMMARY AND FEEDBACK OF THAT MEETING TO THE CITY.
AND THEN THEY COULD GET SCHEDULED FOR THEIR FIRST AND CITY COMMISSION HEARINGS.
AND THAT GIVES BOTH THE RESIDENTS AN ADDITIONAL FORUM TO TALK WITH THE DEVELOPER, HASH THINGS OUT, MAYBE COME TO A MEETING OF MINDS ON SOME DESIGN ISSUES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY PROMOTE FOR THIS NEW DISTRICT.
SO THIS WOULD LARGELY APPLY TO UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, NOT TO SAY THAT A DEVELOPER PROPERTY COULDN'T COME IN FOR A REZONING, BUT IT'S NOT AS LIKELY.
AND JUST AS I KNOW AN INDIVIDUAL TENANT IN AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REZONE SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AS PART OF THAT APPLICATION OR START THE PROCESS THEMSELVES.
SO WHAT DOES THIS PROCESS LOOK LIKE FOR AN APPLICANT? SO IDEALLY WITH OUR NEW APPLICATION BANNER ON THE WEBSITE, THEY WOULD KNOW TO HAVE A PRE APPLICATION, MEANING THEY WOULD COME IN, THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR REZONING APPLICATION
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WITH THEIR SITE PLAN APPLICATION.SO THAT GIVES US CHECKPOINT NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE WITH A REZONING APPLICATION, THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION STATEMENT AND CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE MET SO THAT THAT GIVES THE CITY A CHECKPOINT AT WHICH TO REVIEW COMPATIBILITY, IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING USES, TRAFFIC NOISE, ALL THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'LL CALL IT CHECKPOINT ONE AND THEN THE APPLICANT COMES IN FOR THEIR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
IF I CAN STOP YOU REALLY QUICK, THIS PROCESS THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS REALLY FOR A NEW DISTRICT.
YES. THIS IS ALL ALL PART OF THE NEW DISTRICT CONCEPT.
OK. SO THEY WOULD COME IN FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'LL CALL CHECKPOINT NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION LIKE THE REZONING, THERE'S CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE MET.
SO I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA.
SO CHECKPOINT NUMBER TWO, FOR THE CITY TO AGAIN REVIEW IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT'S COMPATIBILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT, THE APPLICANT WOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS AND THEN THEY WOULD GET SCHEDULES FOR THEIR PENS AND CITY COMMISSION HEARINGS, THOSE KIND OF A STANDARD WALK THROUGH WHAT APPLYING FOR THIS NEW DISTRICT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO MOVING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A POLICY DECISION, WE ARE, AS I STATED AT THE BEGINNING, REQUESTING GUIDANCE FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION DEEMS THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH EITHER ONE OF THE PRESENTED OPTIONS, AN ALTERNATIVE, A HYBRID, ET CETERA.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION FOR THIS SESSION.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CUTLER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
THE FIRST QUESTION I POSED IS RELATIVE TO THIS LAST SCHEME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SETTING UP OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
RECENTLY, ANTHONY GAVE US A PACKET OF MATERIALS ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW LEGISLATION THAT'S COME FORWARD. AND A LOT OF IT SEEMS TO BE DEALING WITH HOW THESE NEW LAND REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY HOME RULE CHANGES TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DOES THIS TAKE ALL OF THOSE NEW THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION? I'LL LET ANTHONY SPEAK TO SOME OF THE NEW BILLS THAT WERE SIGNED.
IT WILL. IT WILL, COMMISSIONER.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON WHAT WE PUT IN TERMS OF THE STANDARDS IN THE DISTRICT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OFF THE BAT, OFF THE BAT AFTER REVIEWING THAT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SAY, OH, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, OK, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY CONCERN, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE SEEMED TO SUGGEST THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OBSTACLES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO OVERCOME IF WE WERE TO LOOK TO THIS NEW SCHEME THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED.
SO THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN ON THAT.
MY ONLY MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, AS OF NOW, WE'RE A REALLY IN THE.
PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED STAGE, AND SO COMPARING THIS BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND FOUR HAD US FOR HELP IN THIS MAY BE MORE FOR ANTHONY HAD HAD US FOR HELP US KEEP TIGHT CONTROL OVER WHAT COMES INTO THE CITY.
I AM GLAD WE ARE EMPHASIZING THE FREE APPLICATION PROCESS.
LET ME JUST STATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE BREWPUB WAS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHERE THAT PROCESS WAS NEVER. UTILIZED.
AND IF IT HAD BEEN, WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE PLAN WAS, WHAT THE CONCEPT WAS, HOW THEY WERE FLUSHING IT OUT AND THEN COULD HAVE GONE FROM THERE.
SO I'M GLAD WE'RE EMPHASIZING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
AND IT ALSO GIVES GIVES OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE WE HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY. BUT EVEN IF SOMETHING IS PROHIBITED CURRENTLY, THEY CAN COME IN, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FREE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, FLESH THAT OUT, GET SOME GUIDANCE AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION FOR HOW DOES OPTION FOR HELP US KEEP AS TIGHT OF A RANGE IS OPTION ONE WOULD WORK OR WHAT ARE THE NUANCES? SURE. SO I'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE HERE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CHECKPOINTS.
SO WITH THE REZONING AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THOSE ARE BOTH CHECKPOINTS ALMOST.
THEY'RE COMING TO THE CITY FOR AN APPLICATION THAT HAS FIVE TO SEVEN CRITERIA, DEPENDING ON WHICH APPLICATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
ACTUALLY, THE REZONING HAS SEVERAL MORE THAN THAT.
SO THE REZONING APPLICATION COMES FIRST.
THAT'S YOUR FIRST CHECKPOINT TO REVIEW FOR COMPATIBILITY IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING USES, TRAFFIC NOISE, ACTUALLY HAVE THEM BACK AT THE BACK END OF THE SIDE IF WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.
BUT THEN CHECKPOINT NUMBER TWO COMES WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER GATE KEEPING OR A CHECKPOINT PROCESS FOR THE CITY.
AND WITH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE
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REVIEWING THAT SPECIFIC APPLICATION IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION WITH THOSE SPECIFIC OPERATING FACTORS.SO JUST BECAUSE YOU APPROVE PERSON A'S BAKERY DOESN'T MEAN THAT FOR IN PERPETUITY YOU NEED TO KEEP APPROVING BAKERIES OR SAY YOU APPROVE OR YOU DENY PERSON A'S BAKERY.
BUT PERSON B COMES IN WITH A BAKERY TWO DOORS DOWN.
OR MAYBE THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU APPROVE PERSON B'S.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY WORKING IN A LOT OF CHECKPOINTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE MET IN THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS, I THINK GIVES US THAT LATITUDE TO APPROVE OR DENY WITH A VERY SET FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT APPLICATION.
NUMBER FOUR OPTION, GIVE US GREATER LATITUDE OVER THE B2 AND B3 CURRENT ZONING.
WE WANTED TO USE THIS MEAN WANT TO BE, TOO.
YEAH, THOSE ARE THE STANDARD SHOPPING DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW OUT ON STATE ROAD SEVEN ARE LARGELY ZONE B ONE B TWO PCD FAULTS TO BE ONE, TO BE TWO.
WITH THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO KEEP THE B ONE AND B TO USE THIS BY RIGHT IS ALSO ALSO AND THEN ANY OF THESE NEW USES WOULD GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS. SO WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING THAT.
WE WANT TO BE TO USE THIS ANY MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.
IT'D BE KIND OF FAIR GAME ACROSS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
THIS NEW DISTRICT, B ONE, B TWO.
AND THEN THE ONLY THING THE ONLY USES THAT WOULD GO THROUGH LIKE THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF STRINGENT ASSESSMENT WOULD BE NON PERMITTED USES.
RIGHT. SO THAT THAT GETS ME BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO FOR THESE UNDEVELOPED PIECES OF LAND, JUST DEFAULT TO THE B ONE AND B TWO, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ON THAT LIST, IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED.
AND SO THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS AND TRY TO DO THAT WAY.
SO RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T AN OPTION.
SO SAY THERE WAS NO NEW DISTRICT AND THEY CAME IN, SAY.
JOE SMITH CAME IN WITH A NONCOMMITTED USE AT THE APPLICATION MEETING, WE WOULD SAY THERE'S THERE'S REALLY NO PROCESS FOR YOU FORWARD UNLESS THERE WAS SOME SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT WAS A REALLY WELL VETTED PROJECT AND SOMEHOW ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WERE ON BOARD AND IT REALLY GARNERED SUPPORT.
THERE REALLY ISN'T A PROCESS FORWARD WITHOUT A CITY SPONSORED TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO, ALUKO, WHEN YOU'RE OK, OK, SO I GUESS BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED IN NUMBER FOUR IS THAT IT'S THE IDEA IS TO CURRENTLY DO IT IN UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LANDOWNER TO REZONE, SURE.
SO WALK ME THROUGH THAT IS THAT LET'S TAKE SOME SOMEWHERE OUT ON 441.
THEY WANT TO COME IN AND RESOW TO THIS SPECIAL DISTRICT.
HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS WORK? WELL, IT LARGELY DEPENDS ON THE TYPES OF DIMENSIONAL AND QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS THAT LIVE WITHIN THIS NEW DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CREATE NONCONFORMITY THROUGH REZONING.
SO UNLESS THEY WERE GOING THROUGH SOME MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS, IT REALLY LARGELY DEPENDS ON HOW STRICT WE ARE IN THE CRAFTING OF THIS NEW DISTRICT.
IF WE'RE CREATING STRICT SET BACKS, FOR SOME REASON NOT.
AGAIN, THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE AKIN TO A PCD AND A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S NOT MET, THEN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH CYCLING AMENDMENTS SO THAT THAT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE US ANYWAY TO REVIEW IT AND TO SEE WHAT WHAT THE.
REQUIREMENT, IF SOMEONE'S REASONING TO THIS NEW DISTRICT, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED OR UNDEVELOPED.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE QUALITATIVE? REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR REZONING.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DEVELOP THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE WILL COME BACK. THAT WILL COME BACK.
YEAH, WE WOULD WE WOULD WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH PENNSY AND THE COMMISSION HERE.
RIGHT. AND THIS IS I MEAN, IN REALITY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IS MORE LOOKING AT THE NEW POTENTIAL HARAMBEE PROPERTY, THIS WOULD BE THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST HEARING.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING A SEPARATE DISTRICT POTENTIALLY FOR HÉIREANN BAY, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS LISTED ON.
THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED USES, SO.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ON THERE UNLESS WE CREATE A VEHICLE FOR THEM TO APPLY AND IT GOES BACK TO.
PREVIOUSLY, THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS STILL DOES NOT GIVE.
A VEHICLE FOR SOMEONE TO POTENTIALLY APPLY THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS, BASICALLY, IF
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IT'S NOT PERMITTED, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY IT'S NOT PERMITTED AND POTENTIALLY THEY COULD GIVE OUT STELLAR PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED.SO THE LAST ZONING CODE THAT WE HAD BEFORE US PREVIOUSLY.
IT GAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR A VEHICLE FOR IN THAT INSTANCE, WITH THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, IT WAS FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS ONLY IT GAVE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO OPEN A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH AN ANCILLARY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, A BREWPUB, WINERY, BAKERY OR DARTS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY COME IN TO THE CITY AND IT WENT THROUGH.
A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH GAVE US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY.
ALLOW IT, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM THERE, WHATEVER COMPATIBILITY IS ITS BROAD WORD.
SO IT GIVES US A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS AUTHORITY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
SO FOR ME, I'M LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THIS APPEARS TO BE THE FIRST STEP IN POTENTIALLY CREATING ANOTHER DISTRICT FOR HERON BAY TO HAVE AN EASIER TIME TO KIND OF LET US HELP.
DEVELOP THE THINGS THAT WE WANT THERE AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE THROWING IT AT US.
SO IF WE GIVE THEM IF WE PUT IN OUR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE CAN KIND OF CRAFT IT THAT WAY AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES OR TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO COME.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ADDITION.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE LAST AUDIENCE.
WE DID. I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC BECAUSE THAT GIVES A POTENTIAL PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, SWAY RESIDENTS AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO.
YOU GUYS LIKE IT. AND AS THE RESIDENTS GIVE BACK FEED, YOU KNOW, GIVE US FEEDBACK.
AND IT'S POSITIVE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S BETTER FOR US BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.
SO I STILL WANT TO TOUCH BASE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGAIN WITH THE.
SPECIAL, ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT OUTSIDE OF B ONE AND B TWO, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS ONE ON ONE PROCESS FOR POTENTIALLY HARAMBEE.
AND THEN ONE PROCESS FOR STILL ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S FULL SERVICE OR WHATEVER IT IS, I THOUGHT THE LAST ORDINANCE WAS CRAFTED VERY WELL.
IT GAVE US A LOT OF AUTHORITIES.
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T AFFORD THE BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S GOING TO GET ACCEPTED.
IT GAVE US LATITUDE TO SAY, NO, IT DOESN'T FIT WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO IF WE CAN JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
FOR OUR EXISTING B1, B2 DISTRICTS AND THEN THIS POTENTIAL.
OPPORTUNITY FOR HARAMBEE, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS ISN'T YOU'LL COME BACK TO US WITH FURTHER, YOU KNOW, FURTHER THINGS DOWN THE LINE SO WE CAN STILL VET IT SOME MORE.
SO SAYING, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR PLANNING, ZONING, WHATEVER TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NARROW IT DOWN OR SAY, YEAH, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS MUCH OR WE DON'T WANT THAT MUCH.
SO THIS IS STEP ONE IN LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL NEW DISTRICT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS MORE THAN LIKELY COMING. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE AND TRYING TO SAY, LET'S GET OUT IN FRONT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PROTECT OURSELVES BETTER WITH POTENTIALLY A NEW DISTRICT.
AND I PERSONALLY, I LIKE OPTION FOUR AS WELL.
BUT ONE QUESTION I HAVE, AND MAYBE IT'S FOR ANTHONY AS WELL, IS KIND OF GOING TO COMMISSIONER BREYER'S POINT ABOUT HAVING CONTROL.
YOU KNOW, TO WHAT DEGREE DOES IS ALL OPEN UP, OPEN US UP TO POTENTIAL? I WOULD SAY LIABILITY IF NOW WE CREATE CRITERIA AND THERE ARE SOMEONE WHO COMES IN WHO FITS WITHIN THE CRITERIA.
AND, YOU KNOW, YES, WE WANT TO HAVE LEEWAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DENIALS AND REJECT SOMETHING THAT WE SAY IS NOT WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
BUT BUT ALSO WHAT KIND OF TRUE DISCRETION DO WE HAVE WITHOUT CERTAIN THINGS THAT COME IN WHERE WE ALMOST HAVE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE THEY FIT IN CERTAIN BOXES THAT WE MAY OTHERWISE NOT REALLY WANT.
BUT THEY FOUND A WAY TO KIND OF THREAD THE NEEDLE.
SO FIRST, LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR, THEY'RE PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED IS IT'S NOT ONE IN FOUR, NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
SO I THINK THE CONCEPT IS, YES, IT'S STILL PROHIBITED UNLESS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, EXCEPT NOW THERE'S A NEW ZONING DISTRICT POTENTIALLY THAT A PROPERTY OWNER CAN RESPOND TO THAT WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USES IT USES IS PROHIBITED AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
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RIGHT. SO IT'S STILL MAINTAINS THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED.AND IN TERMS OF THE DISCRETION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS. THEY NOW HAVE TO DOCUMENT ONE THAT THEY QUALIFY FOR THE REZONING CRITERIA.
AND IF THEY DO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE IT AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND THE LAND USE.
GENERALLY, YOU SHOULD APPROVE THAT.
BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST THE REZONING THAT'S GETS THEM INTO THE REZONING.
NOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION AS PART OF THAT REZONING.
IF THEY WANT ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIAL RECREATION USES, THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED.
IT'S GOING TO SAY IT'S BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S THAT CRITERIA.
SO THE CRITERIA IS KEY BECAUSE THAT THAT IS WHERE YOUR MAYBE DISCRETION IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS REALLY LIE.
AND WITHIN THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD THINK SHOULD BE THERE, THINGS LIKE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
IS THERE PROPER ACCESS? YOU KNOW, IS THERE A PROPER ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO IT WOULD BE BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF LET'S JUST SAY WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION FOR LOOKS GOOD TO WHAT HE TO WHAT ANTHONY IS SAYING, YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO SAY COMPATIBILITY OR WHATEVER TO SEVEN OR 12, WHATEVER YOU MENTIONED.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW TO YOUR POINT.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ITS COMPATIBILITY, ITS DENSITY, WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S TOO LOOSE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT TIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
AND WE'D BE ABLE TO TRY TO AT THAT POINT REFINE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING.
BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, IN ISRAEL, HOW STRONG IS COMPATIBILITY? YOU KNOW, LIKE TO ME, COMPATIBILITY PRETTY MUCH GIVES YOU A TON OF LATITUDE AS A COMMISSION TO SAY, LOOK, I HATE TO KEEP BRINGING UP THE BREWPUB, BUT HE'S AT THE END OF THE OR HE'S HOPING TO BE AT THE END OF THAT SHOPPING PLAZA.
BEING AT THE END OF THE SHOPPING PLAZA IS MUCH MORE IS MUCH HARDER TO MEET COMPATIBILITY BECAUSE YOU'RE FAR CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL THAN, SAY, IN THE MIDDLE OF OF THE SHOPPING PLAZA. SO HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH ROOM DO WE HAVE WITH THE WORD COMPATABILITY, RIGHT, AND DENY, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DENY SOMEBODY LIKE HOW STRONG A WORD IS THAT? YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTOOD.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS AFTER COMPATABILITY TO THAT I THINK COME INTO PLAY LIKE NOISE AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT IT'S GOT TO BE REASONABLY BASED ON THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHALLENGE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE THIS IS NOT WHY THEY DENIED IT.
THEY DENIED IT BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE OUR CLIENT OR THEY YOU KNOW, THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOME SOME OTHER REASON.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE REASONABLY BASED ON ONE OF THOSE ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA.
AND JUST TO HELP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, GUIDE YOU FIRST IF YOU GIVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU LIKE, OPTION FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IT TO YOU. AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE ONE ON ONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, OUR DISTRICT HAS A MINIMUM 10 ACRE REQUIREMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE THE GREATEST PROJECT AND YOU NEED ONE OF THOSE PERMITTED USES RIGHT NOW IN THE DISTRICT.
BUT YOUR EIGHT ACRES, YOU'RE ALONG FOR FORTY ONE OF YOUR EIGHT ACRES WHILE IT'S TEN, SO YOU CAN'T REASON TO PCD.
SO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN WE SAY CHECKPOINT ONE, CHECKPOINT TWO, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIRST MEET THAT CHECKPOINT, ONE THAT THEY QUALIFY TO ARIZONA, THIS NEW DISTRICT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE STANDARDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, IF THEY WANT ONE OF THESE USES, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO MEET ALL THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA THAT'S LAID OUT IN OUR CODE THAT WE'VE SO WE COULD REALLY TAILOR THAT TO A PARTICULAR AREA.
RIGHT. WELL, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THESE KIND OF USERS LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY? WHERE DOES THE WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF REZONING MAKES SENSE TO GO AND WHAT KIND OF CONDITIONS MAKES SENSE TO APPLY THAT, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I MEAN, MY MY CONCERN AND THE REASON WHY I'M LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE IS IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE HERON BAY PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS AND EVEN SOME APPLICATIONS POSSIBLY THAT ARE IN THE CURRENTLY PROHIBITED CATEGORY.
THAT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY ROBUST PROCESS WITH US BEING PART OF THIS COMMITTEE WITH AN ASIDE AND HARAMBEE AND AND THE CITY OF CORAL SPRINGS, AND I VIEW THAT PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS WILL ALL BE PART AND PARCEL OF THAT PROCESS.
MY CONCERN IS, MUCH AS IT WAS WITH THE LAST MEETING, IS ARE WE WHITTLING DOWN OUR OUR ABILITY TO WITHOUT COMPATABILITY ANALYSIS OR WITHOUT ANALYSIS OF OF WHAT OUR INTENT WAS OR ANYTHING ELSE? WE HAVE BROAD DISCRETION TO SAY NO BECAUSE IT IS UNDER THE PROHIBITED
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THE MAYOR'S POINT. WE NEED SOME FILLER PROCESS BETWEEN THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE NEXT STEP. BUT BUT I DO THAT AS A SEPARATE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.OTHER THAN MAYBE THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT GIVES US MORE AUTHORITY OR MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT GOES THERE THAN THE CURRENT.
PROCESS OF PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED, AND MAYBE THERE'S A HYBRID THERE, MAYBE IT'S IT'S YES, WE HAVE THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT AND IF IT'S PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED, HERE IS THE PROCESS. MAYBE THERE'S A HYBRID TO BE HAD THERE.
BUT ONE OF MY FEARS, I GUESS, IF.
WE HAVE IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S PROHIBITED, WHERE ARE WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE ISSUE OF NOT HAVING PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH.
TRYING TO COME UP WITH A NEW CODE, WITH A NEW ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE TELLING DRIVE SHACK OR WHOEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, YOU CAN'T COME HERE.
THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT, IS WHETHER THEY PROHIBIT THERE'S SOME SORT OF HYBRID TO SAY, YES, IT'S PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED.
BUT YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH IS STEP ONE, AND THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO CREATE A STEP, TOO.
WELL, MAYBE WE NEED WE NEED TO CREATE AN INTERIM STEP.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS.
AND BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, YOU HAVE TO PASS THE REZONING CRITERIA.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD INCLUDE THE QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS, OTHER THRESHOLDS THAT YOU NEED.
I THINK I THINK EXCEPTION BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE I FEEL SIMILAR TO THAT. LET'S ASSUME IT'S ALREADY ZONED IN THE SPECIAL, WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT'S A SEPARATE DISTRICT, IT'S B ONE.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION ORDINANCE, LIKE, LET'S SAY THE ONE YOU HAD LAST TIME.
ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE MORE CHECKMARKS THERE, MORE BOXES THAT WE COULD CHECK THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE? THE ABILITY MORE TO SAY, HEY, THIS DOESN'T QUITE FIT, LIKE ARE WE ABLE TO I THINK I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT I MEAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A BUSINESS TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT ON THE PROHIBITED LIST. I DON'T FEEL LIKE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING THIS RULE GUY HAS GONE THROUGH. SO I I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO GIVE SOMEBODY HOPE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, IF YOU GOT A GOOD IDEA, YOU MEET THESE CRITERIA, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN HERE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE IF YOU GOT 30, 40 STORES, IF THIS WHOLE THING GOES THROUGH.
YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE PROSPECTS OF PEOPLE COMING, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO TOTALLY CHANGE THINGS.
AND I THINK HAVING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THAT'S WHY I LIKE NUMBER FOUR, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. IT'S JUST UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THAT LISTS ARE.
WHAT WHAT ARE THE CHECK, CHECK, CHECK LIST TO GET PAST? SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A FIRST BLUSH AT THE PROCESS, RIGHT? WE CAN ALWAYS BUILD IN OTHER THINGS.
WE COULD BUILD UPON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA.
I THINK I WON'T SPEAK FOR ANTHONY, BUT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I THINK ANTHONY AS WELL, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ESPECIALLY THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS AND THE LATITUDE THAT'S PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THE EXISTING CRITERIA.
BUT IF WE WANT TO ADD A STEP BETWEEN THE REZONING AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION OR BUILD UPON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA, THERE'S NOTHING LIMITING US TO JUST RELYING ON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD FOUNDATION AND A BUILDING BLOCK FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THESE USES, BUT NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T ADD OR REVISE TWEAK.
YEAH, I MEAN, I VIEW THE HAIR SORRY, THE HARAMBEE PROCESS, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE A ROBUST PROCESS WITH WITH AN RFP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND I DON'T I I DON'T SHARE THE SAME LEVEL OF CONCERN THAT BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE TURNED OFF IN COMING AND PITCHING TO THE CITY OF PARKLAND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THIS LARGER PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO FALL INTO SOME SORT OF PROHIBITED AREA OR AN ENTERTAINMENT ENGAGE.
BUT THAT PROCESS, IF IF I'M CORRECT, SORRY, BUT THAT PROCESS WITH THE RFP PROCESS.
YOU'RE ULTIMATELY PICKING A DEVELOPER, WHAT ACTUALLY GOES IN THE EXACT STORES THAT ACTUALLY GO THERE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY COME OUT OF THAT RFP PROCESS WITH KNOWING ALL THE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WILL BE GOING IN THERE.
A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO SHOW A PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO WORK. THIS IS POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE STORES YOU HAVE.
BUT UNTIL THAT DEVELOPER WINS THE PROJECT, HE'LL NEVER KNOW EXACTLY WHAT RETAILERS ARE
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GOING IN THERE. SO THERE WILL BE A FRAMEWORK OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY HE'LL KNOW FOR SURE WHAT RETAILERS WILL BE GOING IN THERE SO THAT WE WON'T COME OUT. SO THIS PROCESS TO ME PUTS US IN A PROACTIVE STANCE TO SAY, HEY.HERE YOU GO. THESE ARE THE CHECKMARKS WE HAVE, AND AGAIN, PLANNING AND ZONING WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SEEING THE FIRST LINE.
IT SAYS SPECIAL EXCEPTION CODE.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THERE YET.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE MONTHS TO TO TO GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. ANTHONY, LET ME ASK.
WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW REALLY IS PUTTING A PLACEHOLDER INTO OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS TO SET UP THIS KIND OF A DISTRICT, AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.
RIGHT. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST ALLOWING OURSELVES THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AT SOME TIME LATER DOWN THE ROAD IF WE SO DESIRE.
SO TONIGHT, I THINK STAFF IS JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS OPTION FOR, THAT WE WOULD PREPARE WE WOULD ULTIMATELY PREPARE AN ORDINANCE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT WOULD CREATE A NEW DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AT A LATER AT A LATER DATE.
BUT IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT ZONING MAP THAT YOU SAW AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY PARCEL OF LAND TO A NEW ZONING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. EXACTLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE EFFECTIVELY DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING INTO PLACE SOMETHING THAT IF WE LATER ON CHOOSE TO UTILIZE FOR PURPOSES OF ALLOWING FOR CERTAIN COMMERCIAL ENTITIES TO COME IN, WE CAN THEN VOTE ON UTILIZING THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT'S ON THAT MAP.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT IN THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS NOW STRUCTURED RELATIVE TO WHAT IS ACCEPTED OR PROHIBITED.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING IN PLACE SOMETHING IN OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS OF OF WRITING THE CODE, WHETHER OR NOT WE IMPLEMENT IT, WHETHER OR NOT WE CHANGE IT, WHETHER OR NOT WE ADD TO WHATEVER. STAFF WOULD JUST START THE PROCESS IN DEVELOPING THIS NEW BUT ALL THIS IS DOING IS ALLOWING US AT SOME LATER POINT IN TIME, IF WE SO DESIRE AS A COMMISSION TO AGREE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO THIS PARTICULAR THING THAT YOU'VE CREATED.
RIGHT. AND TO COMMISSIONER CUTLERS, POINT ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ZONING CODE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WE HAVE B THREE.
THERE'S NO PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED THAT COULD SOMEONE COME IN AND REQUEST A REZONING? IT'S A VIABLE ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, BUT NO ONE HAS APPLIED FOR IT OR REZONING TO IT ON THE MAP.
SO YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE MAP.
SO SIMILAR TO THOSE DISTRICTS AND SOME ZONES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAP CHANGE.
IT JUST LIVES IN IN THE TAX, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TAX.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT I ASKED INITIALLY, AND THAT IS THAT MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS THAT A CHANGE IN WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING TO BE? AND IF SO, DOES THAT THEN RUN US INTO SOME ISSUES RELATIVE TO THESE CHANGES IN ONE SIXTY THREE POINT THREE ONE SIX SEVEN? I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THEM IN DETAIL TO UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT THOSE CHANGES IN THE NUANCES MIGHT HAVE RELATIVE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO NOW INCORPORATE OTHER THINGS INTO WHAT YOU'RE SETTING UP FOR THIS SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT MAY CHANGE THINGS IN THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT STUFF. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND THEY'RE VERY FAIR QUESTIONS.
GOOD QUESTIONS. AND WE WILL TAKE THAT.
CERTAINLY ALL OF THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
AS YOU KNOW, I WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON PREPARING A POTENTIAL AUDIENCE.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION GIVE THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT.
AND TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ZONING TONIGHT.
AND EVEN IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE ULTIMATELY PREPARED, YOU'RE STILL NOT REZONING ANY PROPERTIES IN THE CITY.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS. I KNOW HARAMBEE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BECAUSE YOU HAD A PRESENTATION RECENTLY AND THEY PRESENTED SOME USES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY PERMITTED. IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS DEVELOPER TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO REZONE TO THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
AND IF THEY SO CHOOSE, THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND HAVE TO DOCUMENT THAT THEY MEET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THAT'S REZONING APPLICATION WILL COME BEFORE YOU.
AND IF THEY WANT ONE OF THESE USES THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, BUT MAY BE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN THAT NEW ZONING DISTRICT, THEN AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT THAT. AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHETHER THEY MEET THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO THOSE APPLICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS THIS PROJECT SEEMS VIABLE.
IT IS KIND OF COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS ONE PROBLEM DOES CREATE A TRAFFIC ISSUE.
SO WE'LL APPROVE IT, BUT WE'LL DO IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU GIVE ANOTHER ACCESS
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POINT OR CREATE ANOTHER TURN LANE FOR STACKING THINGS LIKE THAT.I'M JUST THROWING OUT EXAMPLES JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHETHER THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP.
IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, I THINK IT'S A SIGNAL THAT, HEY, IF YOU WANT ONE OF THESE USES YOU NEED TO REDEVELOP.
THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THAT IS TO DO A REZONING INTO THIS DISTRICT.
AND HERE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MEET.
SO YOU'RE GIVING THEM SORT OF AT LEAST THOSE STANDARDS UP FRONT SO THEY KNOW WHAT UP FRONT VERSUS POTENTIALLY A SCENARIO WHERE IT'S NOT PROHIBITED, IT'S IT'S PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED. AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, FINDING OUT IT'S PROHIBITED AND TRYING TO CONVINCE MAYBE SOME OF YOU TO PASS AN ORDINANCE COMMISSIONER BACK. YEAH, TWO THINGS.
WE'RE GOING THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU MENTIONED THE TEN ACRE REQUIREMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PARCELS AND OR B, TWO AND R, B, ONE OR TWO THAT ARE WITHIN THAT PARAMETER? AND THE TENANT REQUIREMENT WAS IN REFERENCE TO YOUR CURRENT REQUIREMENT FOR REZONING TO PCD.
BUT AND THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS FIFTY ONE OR TWO, RIGHT.
MY MY OTHER MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, IF THIS GETS TO THE HYBRID CONCEPT, IS, IS THERE A MECHANISM TO HAVE THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT, BUT THEN YOU KEEP IN PLACE THAT PROHIBIT IT UNLESS PERMITTED, AND THEN THERE IS SOME SORT OF NEXT STEP BEFORE THEY GET TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. I JUST HAVE AND I SHARE THIS AT THE LAST MEETING I JUST HAD THE CONCERN THAT WE'RE WHITTLING AWAY OUR OUR OUR LEVERAGE OR OUR ABILITY TO SAY NO, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO SAY YES IF SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH IF IT'S UNDER A PROHIBITED.
CATEGORY AND SOMEBODY COMES THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR THEY COME THROUGH AFTER THE RFP PROCESS AND EVERYBODY IS IN LOVE AND ENAMORED WITH THE IDEA, IT'S EASY FOR US TO FIND A VEHICLE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT APPROVED AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE PATH TO THAT.
BUT IF IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, THE PROHIBITED UNLESS PERMITTED GIVES US ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
AND THERE IS NO THERE IS NO APPEAL.
THERE IS NO CLAIM THAT WE DID IT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON AND OR THAT IT SHOULD NOW BE APPEALED TO THE P AND Z.
SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IT GETS TO THIS GATEKEEPER AND WHITTLING AWAY AUTHORITY ISSUE.
BUT EVEN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IF IT'S NO IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S STILL NOT PERMITTED IN A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THAT'S A QUESTION THAT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION SAYS WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PROHIBITED TO APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT THERE ARE LIMITED CRITERIA THAT THEY COULD CHALLENGE.
WELL, THE U.S. HAS LIMITED CRITERIA.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I ASKED CAITLIN BEFORE, WHAT WE CAN ADD WHATEVER WE WANT TO THAT TO GIVE US.
BUT IT'S ALL CHALLENGEABLE IS MY POINT.
IT'S ALL IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO, WHEREAS THE PROHIBITED PERMITTED IS NOT.
I THINK THE THE POINT OF REBUTTAL I WOULD GIVE TO THAT IS THAT IF WE'RE LEAVING IN JUST THE CURRENT STATUS QUO, WE'RE LEAVING OPPORTUNITIES ON THE TABLE TO NOT HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER NEW COMMERCIAL TYPE VENTURES THAT COME HERE THAT MAY BE NEW AND UNIQUE TO PARKLAND, THAT ARE STILL DESIRED BY THE RESIDENTS, BUT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED YET TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK IF WE LEAVE IT AT THAT, THEN HERON BAY IS JUST GOING TO BECOME YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S NOT TO SAY THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH OUR CURRENT STATUS QUO, BUT I THINK THERE ARE NEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE STILL WORTHWHILE EXPLORING.
AND THIS GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO EXPLORE.
PROPOSALS, IF YOU WILL, AS PART OF THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROHIBITED CATEGORY, I MEAN, WE'RE DEALING WITH IT RIGHT NOW WITH A PIECE OF LAND ON LOCKS ROAD THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP INTO RESIDENTIAL.
BUT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THAT UNDER THROUGH THE WE ALL HAD MEETINGS WITH THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER OF THE PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
WE'RE WE'RE ALLOWING ANY BUSINESS TO COME IN THE BREWPUB INCLUDED, AND GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO SEE IF THERE'S A VIABLE PATH FORWARD.
BUT IT GIVES US WE PRESERVE THE AUTHORITY OR THE ABILITY TO SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY NO WITHOUT A CHALLENGE. BUT THE REASON WE'RE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE THE BREWPUB HAS ESTABLISHED THAT THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A PATH FORWARD FOR THAT.
RIGHT. WELL, BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL BECAUSE THE BREWPUB HAS NEVER TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE FREE APPLICATION PROCESS.
WE'VE ALL BEEN DEALING WITH HYPOTHETICALS.
WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH NO REAL CONCEPTUAL OF WHAT THE OF WHAT THE BILL THAT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS GOING TO BE.
NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CITY.
AGREE. THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S FAIR.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT WE KIND OF SURMISE, BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S HAVING A FOOD AND A BREWERY, I THINK BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS OUR CODE DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN IT. SO THE REASON WE EVEN STARTED DOWN THIS PATH IS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE THE CODE TO ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTEMPLATING IT.
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BUT BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE DIMINISHING THE APPLICATION PROCESS.HAD THE BREWPUB COME IN AND STILL TO THIS DAY, HASN'T MET WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, MET WITH CITY MANAGER OR PLANNING STAFF, EXPLAINED WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON AN APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
WE'RE ASSISTING THEM BY ALLOWING THEM TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
BUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS DOES NOT GUIDE THEM BECAUSE CAITLIN CAN'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE. SHE CAN'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE.
SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY GUIDANCE.
IT'S IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S PROHIBITED.
WELL, BUT PERIOD. SO IT DOESN'T THEY CAN COME AND TALK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR TALK TO ME INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THAT'S STILL ONLY ONE.
WELL, BUT BUT BUT I LIKE THE PRE APPLICATION PROCESS DOES NOT GIVE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY GUIDANCE THAT IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY GUIDANCE BECAUSE YOU COULD BE GIVING SOMEBODY FALSE HOPE AND SAYING, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FIVE COMMISSIONERS UP THERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE.
BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT TO IS TRYING TO GET IT IS THAT IF THEY CAME IN IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE WANT TO SELL BEER, AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT, WELL, THAT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE, BUT A RESTAURANT IS A PERMITTED USE, THEN THEY WOULD BE UNDERSTANDING BETTER WHAT THEIR APPLICATION NEEDS TO REFLECT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO. THEY CAN THEN MAKE A RESTAURANT THAT HAS, AS AN ANCILLARY PART OF IT, THIS BREWING THING AND THAT MAY COMPLY WITH THE CODE AND ALLOW THEM TO COME IN UNDER WHAT IS A PERMITTED USE.
BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IT'S NOT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO INTO OUR CODE NOW BECAUSE IT'S STILL NOT PERMITTED AS AN ANCILLARY USE.
BUT BREWING BEER IS NOT PERMITTED.
BUT THAT'S ABOUT THAT. WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T THEY STILL WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME IN.
SO LOOK. JUST IN, WE WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES, BUT I THINK THE POINT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING IS, ARE WE IN FAVOR OF THE POTENTIAL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON A NEW DISTRICT TODAY? ARE WE INTERESTED IN HAVING STAFF START TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL OF CREATING A NEW DISTRICT WHICH WOULD ENTAIL POTENTIALLY.
A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FEATURE TO THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO.
AND THEN ONCE YOU DEVELOP THAT ORDINANCE, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA, WHATEVER IT IS THAT GOES TO PLANNING, ZONING THAT COMES TO US, WE HAVE ONE ON ONES AND IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING. ZONING COMES BACK TO US.
SO THERE'S. LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND LOOK AT IT, AND IN THE END, IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT IT, WE VOTED DOWN.
I GUESS I'LL MAKE THIS SUGGESTION PLANNING AND ZONING DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB AS FAR AS VETTING OUT INFORMATION AND DOING WHATEVER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH.
THE RIGOR OF PREPARING AN ORDINANCE AND THEN COMING BACK AND CHANGING IT AND DOING, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS CONCEPT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE, MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO THINK SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT STAFF'S JOB TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE IN THE FRAMEWORK.
AND THEN IT'S THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALSO US.
IT'S OUR JOB TO LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE AND WE WANT TO CALL, PICK IT APART, PICK IT APART.
BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE ADVISORY BOARDS TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE NOT ASKING I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT I'M ASKING THEM IS TO WEIGH IN IN REGARDING THIS CRITERIA, WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT, BEFORE STAFF WOULD GO BACK TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE AND MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME INPUT THAT THEY CAN ADD TO IT TO KIND OF HELP FACILITATE IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE I MEAN, THEY HAVE EXPERTIZE IN THIS AREA.
YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'RE BASICALLY.
WE'RE BASICALLY PUSHING OFF A VERY BROAD ASK FOR STAFF TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS CREATED, IT WOULD GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO VET IT.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THERE'S NOT MUCH TO VET BECAUSE YOU GAVE US A VERY BROAD STROKE OF WHAT IT IS FOR US TO KICK THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN.
STAFF HASN'T EVEN DONE ANY LEGWORK ON THIS TO ME IS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND IT'S NOT WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD, SO THEY SHOULD BE ADVISING US.
AND ADVISING STAFF ON WORK THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETED, IT SHOULD NOT BE THE OTHER WAY,
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RIGHT? I THINK ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS A POLICY DECISION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, IS TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS.SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN OPTION ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.
AND I THINK WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN BETWEEN OPTION ONE IN FOUR.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IF WE'RE WILLING TO GO DOWN JUROR NUMBER FOUR, THAT DIDN'T GIVE STAFF THE DIRECTION TO ACTUALLY START CRAFTING SOMETHING, WHICH I THINK THEIR EXPERTIZE IS BETTER UTILIZE IT, ACTUALLY ASSESSING THE COMPLETENESS AND THE ACCURACY AND THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE WILL LOOK LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO WHETHER OR NOT TO CREATE A SPECIAL DISTRICT.
BUT WHAT I'M BUT WHAT I'M HEARING ON THIS DAY IS, IS THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF ONE.
THERE ARE SOME OF US IN FAVOR OF FOUR THERE OR SOME IN FAVOR OF A HYBRID AT LEAST TO HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING.
TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND IT'S LIKE BUT THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S JOB AT THIS POINT IS TO TAKE OUR COMMENT. IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH FOUR AND TAKE THE HYBRID COMMENTS, TO TAKE THE FOUR COMMENTS, TO TAKE THE ONE COMMENT AND DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT FITS WHAT ALL OF FIVE OF US ARE SAYING.
BRING THAT TO PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN PLANNING.
ZONING CAN WEIGH IN ALL THEY WANT AT THAT POINT.
AND WE CAN SAY THIS IS NOT GOOD.
I THINK ANTHONY MADE CLEAR MAYBE I'M WRONG.
IS THAT ONE IN FOUR NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE BY CREATING A NEW SPECIAL DISTRICT WE SAW MAINTAINING THAT PROHIBITED UNLESS PROHIBITED.
EXACTLY. WE'RE NOT NOT IF WE HAVE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TIED TO WELL, BUT WE HAVE EXCEPTIONS ARE STILL BASED ON UNKNOWN CRITERIA.
SO WE GET TO CRAFT THAT AREA AND WE CAN MAKE A DISTRICT OR AS LOOSE AS WE WANT, AND WE STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN CONTROL.
THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY AND TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON HOW STRICT WE WANT TO MAKE IT, WE COULD HAVE 15 FACTORS TO CONSIDER, BUT THAT'S UP TO US, CORRECT? SO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON DO WE WANT TO GO WITH NUMBER FOUR? AND AGAIN, UNTIL WE SEE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE DON'T.
IT DOESN'T. AND AGAIN, THIS IS US BEING PROACTIVE IN A NEW DISTRICT THAT'S COMING.
IT'S NOT LETTING ANYBODY IN, NOT DOING ANYTHING.
IT'S GIVING STAFF GUIDANCE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AT THAT POINT DECIDE ON WHETHER WE WANT IT, WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE IT.
PLANNING, ZONING OBVIOUSLY HAS AN ABILITY TO WEIGH IN.
SO IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH US TWICE FIRST.
LET ME LET ME LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
HOW LONG, CAITLIN, WOULD THIS TAKE YOU TO CRAFT? AN. BASED UPON, LET'S SAY, WE DECIDE TO GO THROUGH AND GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO GO TO NUMBER FOUR, HOW LONG WOULD THAT PROCESS TAKE? I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY COMFORTABLY WANT SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE WEEKS OR SO SO THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT SOMETHING UP INITIALLY THAT WITH ANTHONY GO BACK AND FORTH.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, FROM THAT POINT ON OUR INTERNAL AGENDA AND THERE'S NO RUSH ON IN THIS PROCESS. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THE INSIDE VOTE FOR THE DEVELOPERS NOT COMING INTO AUGUST.
TWENTY SEVENTH AND NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, YEARS, WHATEVER.
SO THIS THERE'S NO RUSH THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE IF IT TAKES TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER IT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY MY POINT.
NO, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING IS THIS WEEK.
I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT IF IT TAKES HER FOUR WEEKS, THE NEXT PLANNING IS JUST TO GET A JUST TO GET A FEEL OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE AGREE WITH NUMBER FOUR, LET'S MOVE ON OR WE AGREE.
WE THINK IT SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE.
I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, IT'S IT'S IT'S OUR DECISION TO MAKE WHAT WE WANT.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND STAFF TO ADVISE US ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO SCRAP THE WHOLE DEAL, WE SCRAP THE WHOLE DEAL.
WELL, THAT'S THE CONCERN, I THINK, IS HAVING STAFF AND PLANNING AND ZONING DO A LOT OF WORK. AND ULTIMATELY, IF WE DECIDE TO SCRAP IT, AS WE DID WITH THE BREWPUBS ORDINANCE, WE'RE WELL, WE DIDN'T SCRAP IT.
WE TABLED IT BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE TALKING AND TABLED IT.
BUT THE CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOWNSIDE TO IT, IS IF YOU IF YOU HAVE PENNSY WEIGH IN ON THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS SPECIAL REZONING OR THE SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT, YOU AT LEAST GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM THEM BEFORE STAFF STARTS PUTTING PEN TO PAPER. I THINK THAT'S BOB'S POINT.
RIGHT. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S THIS IS A POLICY DECISION, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE VOTED TO DO.
I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A POLICY DECISION WHICH IS NOT CHANGING ANY CODE.
IT'S NOT LETTING ANY BUSINESSES IN.
IT'S NOT GIVING ANYONE ANY FALSE HOPE.
AND IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.
IT'S GIVING STAFF DIRECTION TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING SO THAT WE'RE PROACTIVE FOR A NEW DISH, FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN.
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WE'VE BEEN TOLD OR PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY GOVERNMENT, WE'RE BEING REACTIVE AND WE'RE NOT PROACTIVE.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE PROACTIVE.
AND WE'RE NOT JUMPING AT THE FACT, LET'S BE PROACTIVE.
LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING, WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT, IT'S NOT.
SO LET'S NOT LET'S NOT BELABOR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE A AT LEAST GIVE SOME.
ADVICE TO THE STAFF TO DO SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT IF I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THEM GOING FORWARD AND AT LEAST PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER SO WE CAN LOOK AT.
YEAH, AND THEN WE COULD BEGIN THE PROCESS OF VETTING IN AND DETERMINING CORRECT, WE WANT TO FILL OUT OR WHATEVER, SO AT LEAST IF WE WERE GOING TO VOTE, THAT'S HOW I WOULD VOTE.
RIGHT. AND I MEAN, YOU CAN DECIDE APPEAR AS A PANEL WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT.
AND THEN THEN AT LEAST THE STAFF HAS A WAY THAT I AGREE WITH THAT AND I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. YEAH, I'VE ALREADY STATED MY INCLINATION IS THE DO NOTHING, BUT I AM OPEN AND RECEPTIVE TO SEEING WHAT A ADDING A NEW ZONING DISTRICT MAY LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE SOME SORT OF HYBRID WHERE MY MY CONCERNS ARE ALLAYED.
RIGHT, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF US, SO I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, SO I THINK WITH THAT INFORMATION, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
START CRAFTING WHATEVER AND, YOU KNOW, COMES BACK TO US ONE ON ONE.
IT GOES TO PLANNING. ZONING COMES BACK AT US.
BUT I THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM US TO KNOW WHERE WHAT DIRECTION TO GO.
I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD STARTING POINT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IT WILL GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING IN THE NORMAL COURSE ANYWAY.
NO, RIGHT. AS AN AUDIENCE BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU.
YEAH. SO WE WILL GET THOSE COMMENTS.
WE HAVE MOTION TO ADJOURN AND MOTION TO ADJOURN.
OK, THREE MINUTES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.