Apr 22, 2021 Planning and Zoning

[1. Call to Order]

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GOOD EVENING ANYBODY WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR THIS CITY OF PARKLAND FLORIDA. TODAY IS APRIL 22.

ROLLCALL PLEASE. >>.

[4. Approval of Minutes]

MINUTES? >> I VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES INVESTMENTS MEETING.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND DANIEL. A CALL FOR A VOTE PLEASE.

>> EVERYONE UNANIMOUS? AYE. >> THANK YOU.

[5. Comments from the Public on Non-Agenda Items]

>> ITEM 5, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ANY NON-AGENDA ITEMS? ANYBODY HEAR FROM A NON-AGENDA

ITEMS? >> MY NAME IS THANH DEANGELIS ON THE DIRECTOR OF INDICATIONS FOR THE CITY OF PARKLAND. RESEARCHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD I JUST WANTED A MOMENT OF YOUR TIME TO DISCUSS VERY BRIEFLY THE CITY'S NEW DEDICATION POLICY.

THE POLICY WILL GOVERN HOW FACILITIES ARE NAMED IN THE CITY.

THE POLICY REQUIRES A TWICE PER YEAR SO LONG AS THEIR OPTIONS ON THE TABLE THAT WE CONVENE A COMMITTEE THAT WILL CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS. WE ARE IN THE THROES OF CONVENING THE INITIAL COMMITTEE, THE POLICY REQUIRES THAT IT HAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE CITIES ADVISORY BOARDS. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT IS THE CHAIR FOR THE COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE. IN TERMS OF TIME INVESTMENT WHERE LOOKING AT AN INITIAL MEETING OF APPROXIMATELY 90 MINUTES.

SHOULD THERE BE A SECOND MEETING WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE 30 TO 60 MINUTES.

THIS IS A SUNSHINE COMMITTEE AS IT WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION. UPON COMPLETION OF THE TASK THE COMMITTEE WILL SIGN IT.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION AS A BOARD APPOINTEE AND OUR VICE

CHAIR. >> DESIGNING TO BE SECONDED? >> IS ANYONE WANT TO SECOND

THAT? >> A CALL FOR THE BOVOTE. >> PEG.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTES. HANK YOU FOR YOUR TIMEE. >> COMMENTS BY THE CHAIR? OTHER THAN TO WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE IN PERSON THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[8.A. Ordinance No. 2021-004: Amending Telecommunications in ROW Ordinance]

> KNOW THERE IS NOT. >> AND WE'RE GOING TO START A PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER EIGHT A.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2021 Ã004 AMENDINGTELECOMMUNICATIONS AND RIGHT-OF-WAY ORDINANCES.

CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION OF PARKLAND FLORIDA AMENDING ARTICLE 105 WITH FACILITIES AND RIGHT-OF-WAY. ASSISTED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR STATELINE TO PROVIDE DESIGN STANDARDS PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT AND THE ABILITY WITH

EFFECTIVE DATES. >> GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND BOARD.

I'M ANTHONY SOROKA AT THE CITY ATTORNEY. I FIGURED I WOULD GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATON ON THIS AND I WILL START OUT BY TREATING THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS A TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATION FACILITIES PRIVATE PROPERTY OR CITY PROPERTY. THE SCOPE OF THIS ORDINANCE

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AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE MEMO TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND THE CITY HAD FAR MORE REGULATORY AUTHORITY IN THIS AREA THAT WE DO NOW. IN 2017 WITH PROBABLY THE MAIN STATE LAW THAT STARTED THIS THE PUSH WAS TO ROLLOUT 5G AND WE WANT TO DO IT FAST.

WE DON'T WANT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HOLDING US UP IN GETTING US IN THE WAY.

WE NEED SOME PREEMPTION WE NEED TO LIMIT THEIR ABILITY TO REGULATE.

THE 2017 LAW WAS PASSED INSURANCE AND NOT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH AN TO CHANGE THAT TELL COMMISSION REGULATIONS AND RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW BUT TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THAT LAW.

THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP IN 2018 WITH THEIR EXISTING ORDINANCE.

SINCE THAT TIME THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF STATE LEGISLATIVE BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED THAT A FURTHER CHIPPED AWAY INTO THE PREEMPTION. THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO UPDATE THE LAW BUT ADD STANDARDS WHICH IS ONE OF THE FEW AREAS THAT WE CAN REGULATE IN TERMS OF THE FACILITIES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR IN DESIGN, COLOR AND LUCK TO THE OTHER UTILITY POLES OR FACILITIES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT RAIN. MOST OF THE CHANGES YOU SEE ARE DEALING WITH UPDATES TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE CONSISTENT WITH AND WE HAVE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS MAKING SURE IT'S SIMILAR TO THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE AND THAT STATE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

WHAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IS THAT WE HAVE A FEW OF THESE POLLS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY WHERE THE ANTENNA IS ACTUALLY ENCLOSED. WE DON'T ALLOW TE ANTENNA TO BE IN ENCLOSED. THE ANTENNA IS FULLY ENCLOSED WITHIN THAT.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ADDED. IF YOU SAY ANTHONY I DROVE DOWN ANTHONY HILLSBORO AND YOU DON'T SEE THIS. THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ONS. I'M JUST SAYING THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN DO IS DEAL WITH CITY ROADS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH AS FAR AS WE CAN GO.

EVEN WITH THIS I'M SURE AND GET A COUPLE OF CALLS FROM TELECOMMUNICATIONS ATTORNEYS TELLING ME YOU CAN DO ONE OR TWO OF THESE THINGS AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT BEFORE AND HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU. >> HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M CALLING FROM A FEW YEARS BACK THAT WE CANNOT USE THE ANTENNA.

THAT WAS SOMETHING I RECALL THAT CAME E UP. >> THERE IS A CONCEPT OF CO-LOCATION WITHIN TONE TO MUSICIANS. THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE LESS POLLS WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WE DIDN'T GENERALLY DO ENCOURAGE THAT AS OPPOSED TO THEM SAYING WE CAN'T PUT IT THERE TO GET THE RADIUS WE NEED FOR OUR SIGNAL SO HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER POLE.HEY HAVE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT THEY CAN DO THAT.

I BELIEVE WE CAN STILL FLY OUR STANDARDS TO DO THAT. >> IS A COMMUNICATION FACILITY BEING INSTALLED IN THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY. FILLED BY OUR STANDARDS.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO BUT WE CAN DO THAT. >> IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE MY

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THAT'S THE SIMPLE AND SHORT ANSWER. THERE IS A PROVISION WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE POLLS WOULD ALSO BE HUNTER GREEN BUT WE REALIZED THAT THE CEMENT COLOR MAY BE OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE EXISTING POLES WITH CEMENT AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING

DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT WHEN YOU PAINT OVER THE CEMENT. >> FOR THE RECORD INITIALLY AT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN THEY CAME TO US WAS TO HAVE THE POLLS BE HUNTER GREEN IN THE BOX. AN EGG ASSISTING THE POLLS ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS. A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SURROUNDING THEM SO I THINK IF WE WENT WITH THE HUNTER VARIATION IT WOULD STICK OUT.

IT JUST BUNS AND IT LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR LIGHT POLE. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> I SPOKE WITH ANTHONY BEFORE THE MEETING AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS AS STRICT AS WE CAN BE WHICH IS WHAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF. I THINK THAT FOR YEARS TELLS MEDICATION COMPANIES HAVE RUN AMOK WITH EVERYTHING I'VE DONE SINCE I FIRST HAD A REGULATING NEWS. STRONG AS WE CAN BE TO HELP REGULATE IT I'M IN FAVOR OF AND

I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. >> IS THERE EMOTION? IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE

PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE.. >> I WILL SECOND. PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

[8.B. Ordinance 2021-005: Brewpub Ordinance]

SEVERABILITY, AND EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. AND CAITLIN WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD.

TONIGHT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR R CONSIDERATION. THIS IS FOR THE B-2 ZONING ISHES. IT'S FIRST SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

AS A BACKGROUND BREWING CAME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE MARCH 7 EARING.HE REQUESTED CONSIDERATION OF A A GROUP UP TYPE USE. AT THE COMMISSION HEARING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS DIRECTED ON WITH CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK TO CONSIDER THIS TO BE AN ACCEPTABLE USE WITHIN THE CITY AND IF SO TO GO OUT AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND BRING FORTH SOME DRAFT REGULATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE AT TONIGHT.

CURRENTLY GROUP PUBS ARE NOT USED IN THE CITY AND ARE PROHIBITED WHICH SPARKS THIS

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HERE ARE SOME SITE PICTURES AND HERE'S THE REAR OF THE SITE IS THEY PROPOSE TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ENTERTAINMENT AREA AND THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED A FAMILY-FRIENDLY OPERATION WITH A LOT OF OUTDOOR SPACE AS WELL TO HAVE AN INDOOR OUTDOOR FEEL. THIS WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DRAFTED THE REGULATIONS. THE ORDINANCE WAS SUBMITTED TO REVIEW SO WE WON'T GO THROUGH THEM IN VERBATIM. WE CAN TOUCH ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY. THE PRODUCT AND ITS SPECIFIC USES FEDERAL TO STATE LAWS INCLUDING LIMITATIONS ON SPECIFIC LICENSES. ANTHONY CAN HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THAT BUT THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT MICE SAYS THAT ON THE OTHER GROUP OF OPERATION CAN RECEIVE FROM THE STATE AND THAT LIMITS DIFFERENT FACTORS OF THEIR OPERATION INCLUDING MAXIMUM BREWING POTENTIAL. IT WOULD MEAN AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT INCLUDES A FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT. THAT MEANS THAT AT ANY POINT ALCOHOL IS BEING SERVED FOOD ALSO NEEDS TO BE SERVED IN THIS EXAM SOME FROM THE SEPARATION EXAMINES THAT THEY ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MEANING THE FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANTS GIVE THEM THAT EXCEPTION.

I BELIEVE PRE- CORONAVIRUS WE CAME TO YOU WITH SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS AND THAT WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE PUTTING A LIQUOR STORE NEXT TO THE DAYCARE SCENARIO ON THE PROVISION OF THE FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT EXAMS YOU FROM THIS MINIMUM EXEMPTIONS. THINK IT WAS 1500 LINEAR FEET IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

TODAY. >> AS WE PROPOSE CURRENTLY WE WOULD PERMIT THE BREWPUB BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND BY PROXY THAT WOULD ALLOW THE USE WITHIN A PCB AS WELL AS PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BY SET SPECIAL EXEMPTION. THE TWO DISTRICTS TAKE A VANTAGE OF THIS USE. WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STANDARDS YOU SONG ORDINANCE WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.

WE WOULD LIMIT THINGS LIKE TOTAL SIZE TO 5000 FT.B2 WHICH IS A STANDARD SIZE OF A STANDALONE CHAIN RESTAURANT. WOULD ALSO LIMIT PRODUCTION TO 5000 BARRELS PER YEAR THERE SOME LICENSE THAT PERMITS TAKE-OUT AND SOME DON'T. IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT OR OWNER TO DETERMINE THE THOUGHT OF SOMETHING THAT THEIR BUSINESS CAN ACCOMMODATE.

WE ALSO LIMIT FLOOR AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT IS ALSO A KEY ELEMENT OF THE SPACE. WE DON'T WANT TO BE PRIMARILY A BREWING INTENSE FUNCTION WE WANTED TO BE THAT MIXED-USE. THE OUTDOOR AREA WOULD BE LIMITED IN SIZE AND RATIO TO THE INDOOR AREAS OF THE TENANT HAS. SO THAT IS NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE SURROUNDING AREAS SO THAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT PARKING IS PROVIDED AT A RATIO FOR RESTAURANTS, BARS, BEER GARDENS AND RESTAURANTS AND NIGHTCLUBS.

HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SIMILAR HOURS OF OPERATION ENDING AT 11:00 P.M.

IN THE CITY LOADING AND UNLOADING WOULD ALSO BE RESTRICTED TO MITIGATE ANY

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THEY CANNOT GENERATE OR PRODUCE ANY MALT BEVERAGES OR BEER ON SITE AND SELL TO PUBLIX OR ANOTHER RETAILER. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANTED YOUR FEEDBACK ON AND IF THAT SOMETHING YOU AGREE WITH OR FELT THAT THE NEED TO BE REGULATED.

SHOULD THE CITY COMMISSION FIND THIS USE APPROPRIATELY APPROPRIATED B-2 DISTRICT AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE NOTING THAT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION. THAT WOULD BE A CASE-BY-CASE SCENARIO ANALYSIS.

WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND NOTE THAT MYSELF AND ANTHONY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION IN THE PAST TO DISCLOSE THEM OR DEVELOP A CONCEPT THAT WAS

NEVER DEVELOPED BEFORE? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR CODE CANNOT POSSIBLY EVER USE AND AS HE MENTIONED IT IS MORE OF AN UP-AND-COMING TYPE USE.

NOW WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE TYPE OF USES POP UP. >> BASED ON THE LIMITED TIME WHEN I SAW THAT SOMEWHERE HAS URBAN RESIDENTS BROUGHT FORWARD.

>> I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY. >> YOU ASK ABOUT PEOPLE PURCHASING.

WHEN I LOOK AT LIKE A COOPER'S HAWK OR YOU CAN GO BUY A BOTTLE OF WINE SEALED AND WALK AWAY IS

THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO COME TO PLAY? >> THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ISSUE CONSIDERED AND WHAT WE CALL GROWLERS IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AMBER COLORED GLASSES. THAT'S SUBJECT TO YOUR SPECIFIC LICENSE THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF LIFE.

THAT'S ONE ISSUE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF TAKE AWAY WAS WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN ALLOWANCE FOR OFF-SITE DISTRIBUTION MEANING THAT I COULD SELL TO A PERSON LIKE PUBLIX OR ANOTHER BREWERY MORE LIKE WHOLESALING BUT NOT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER TO COME IN AND TAKE OUT IT WOULD BE FOR RETAIL PURPOSES BETWEEN TWO RETAILERS.

>> I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE MICHELLE FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FUNKY FLUTIST THROUGH LILY AND OAKLAND TARGETS WELL-KNOWN. THEY STARTED OFF AS A SMALL BREWERY, DIDN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT YOU JUST A SEPARATE PIECE NOW IF YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE YOU CAN SEE FUNKY BUDDHA WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROUPS AND ALES.

THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT CAITLIN HAS INDICATED WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER.

WE DID NOT PUT IT IN BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BIG STEP FOR PARKLAND TO DIDN'T WANT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS TO SAY SURE IT WOULD BE FINE. WE WANT YOUR INPUT.

I WANT TO BACK MISTER ROGERS TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT HAVING THE NEIGHBOR SAID ANYTHING.

IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY OTHER ENTITY TO GO INTO A CENTER TO OPEN UP A BREW COMPANY. WITHOUT HAVE TO BE APPLIED FOR THE SPECIAL SECTION AND THAT'S NOT ONLY NOTICE THE NEWSPAPER BUT THEY WOULD GO OUT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL.

>> MY LAST QUESTION HER CLARIFICATION WAS THINK YOU ADDRESSED IT.

IT'S THE WAY THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT THERE ARE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IT

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THERE ARE OTHER LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF THE OUTDOOR AREA IN REGARDS TO SIZE AND RATIO OF SEATING. NEEDS TO BE IN SKILL WITH THE INTERCEDING.

>> IN THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED IN THE BACK. THOSE ARE RESIDENTS RIGHT

BEHIND THE LAW? >> IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE THE BACK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER OF WHAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THERE THAT IS SEPARATED TO SOME DEGREE BY THE SMALL STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA.

>> WILL YOU SPECIFY SO THE BOARD KNOWS? THIS IS NOT APPROVING THAT LOCATION. THAT LOCATION WOULD BE SCRUTINIZED AS A PETITION FOR THEIR SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION. TOTALITY WOULD BE ASSESSED BY THE BOARD OF THE COMMISSION SHALL THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SAY WHAT SPARKED CONVERSATION AND IT'S POTENTIALLY YOUR FIRST

LOCATION. >> WERE NOT APPROVING THE LOCATION SPECIFICALLY TODAY.

IT ALLOWS THE BREWPUB IN THE CITY. >> HE MENTIONED THAT THE STAFF DID RESEARCH AND REVIEW THIS. TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN ANY GROUP HOMES?

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THESE ISSUES. >> PRE-ÁUNTRAN3Á I HAVE EXPERIENCE GOING TO BREWERIES. I THINK I WAS THE DEFAULT EXPERT ON THE BREWPUBS.

IN. >> IN TERMS OF BRING FUNCTIONS AND RATIOS THAT WE PROVIDE THAT

WOULD BE A GRIT. >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE.

WE HAVE A THAT STATES IS IS PROHIBITED. IS PROHIBITED ITED NOW.

I WAS LOOKING TO SAY YES YOU CAN DO IT NOW. WE'VE HAD A LONG-STANDING RULE AND WE DON'T WANT THIS. IN ORDER TO MAKE A CHANGE. WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR RULES IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE DONE. I DON'T TAKE IT VERY LIGHTLY. DENIES PREVENT THAT FROM OVERFLOWING POTENTIALLY INTO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DID ADDRESS LOADING AND UNLOADING HOURS IN THE OPERATION OF THAT. ALSO LIMITING OFF-SITE DISTRIBUTION AND ATTEMPTS TO LIMIT POTENTIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE SECTOR.

IN TERMS OF THE USE ITSELF WE HAVE RATIO EFFORTS IN NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE RATIO.

IT'S NOT THIS HIGH INTENSITY BREWING FUNCTION. THAT SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. IF YOU PUT A DIFFERENT RATIO ON ANY OF THESE IT'S MORE

APPROPRIATE. >> EXPLAIN THE EXPERIENCE. THEY CAN FEEL IT UP AND CLOSE

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ALTERNATIVELY IF YOU ALREADY OWN THEM YOU CAN BRING A CLEAN GLASS AND THEY WILL FILL IT UP

AND SEAL IT AND YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT. >> BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WALK OUT WITH A SIX PACK OF BEER IS THAT WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GROWLER?

>> A GROWLER IS MORE TO TAKE IT OFF-SITE. IT'S A WAY TO ALLOW THEIR

CUSTOMERS TO TAKE THEIR SPECIFIC BREWED BEER HOME. >> I SEE A NUMBER OF RULES THAT WE SET FORTH REVENUE SALES AT THE BREWPUBS AND IT SHALL CONSTITUTE 50% OF TOTAL REVENUES. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR AND FORCE THAT? IT'S VERY COMPLEX WITH MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS AND WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE CITY'S ABILITY TO LIMIT THEM TO 5000 BALANCE GALLONS PER YEAR .

>> SOME OF THE STATISTICS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SELF-REPORTED BASED ONTHE LICENSE.

>> CAUSE WE WON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO ACTUALLY KNOW THAT. WORKING HAVE TO TRUST THAT

THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. >> TO SOME DEGREE BUT LIKE I SAID THEY DO REQUIRE TO SELF-REPORT TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL TO HOW MUCH THEY'RE PRODUCING AND THAT'S HOW IT IS TO SOME DEGREE AND HONESTY THING. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> OF THE CITY IS NOT ON THE BUSINESS OF POLICI. WERE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF POLICING THESE RULES AND I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT. YOU'RE ASKING US TO CONSTANTLY AND CONSIDER THIS IN GAVEL IT AS AN ORDINANCE OR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION. WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO ENFORCE THESE AS A QUESTION.

>> THE RATIOS IN TERMS OF DESIGN IS 50% RESTAURANT VERSUS 50% BREWING.

THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMIT APPROVAL. IN TERMS OF OTHER REGULATIONS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON HOW WE BEST REGULATE THAT AND WE NOTED THE MAXIMUM PRODUCTION OF SELF REPORTING ELEMENTS TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL BUT THERE IS SOME ELEMENT OF THAT.

>> WHEN WE GO AHEAD AND DRAFT UP RULES AND REGULATIONS WITH LAWS WE LIKE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THEM AND MONITOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THIS IN LINE.

I SEE THIS AS A BIG MESS. >> OTHER STOOD AND AS CAITLIN MENTIONED SOME OF THE THINGS WE CANNOT ENFORCE. THEY ARE VISIBLE IN THE COMING THEY SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN AND WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF THE AREA IS DEDICATED TO THEIR OPERATION VERSUS THE OTHERS.

I DO KNOW THAT IT IS REGULAR BY THE STATE. THEY WANTED TO GET A STATE LICENSE AND PROVIDE CERTAIN INFORMATION TO THE STATE. THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD THAT CAN BE READILY ACCESSIBLE TO US. WE WANT TO POINT OUT I'M NOT AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LAYER.

I DO LIKE THAT IT QUALIFIES ME BUT WE LOOKED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT KIND OF LICENSING THAT ONE WILL NEED IN THIS TWO PRIMARY LICENSES THAT BREWPUBS GET FROM THE STATE. ONE OF THEM IS THIS TRADITIONAL BREWPUB LICENSE WHICH IS MORE IF YOU REMEMBER THE HAWKS BACK IN THE DAY WHERE THERE'S A RESTAURANT THERE'S MORE OF A MANUFACTURING TYPE LICENSE. IT HAS SOME OF THE CAPS LIKE THE 10,000 BARRELS.

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SENSIBLE ONES. I DEFINITELY GET YOUR POINT. >> WITH PROHIBITED USES WE HAVE THINGS LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO STRING UP BARS ALONGSIDE 07. THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN EVERY APPLICATION STANDS ON ITS OWN. WE HAVE THEM AND THEY ARE PERMITTED BY SPECIAL EXEMPTION. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'VE HAD THIS RULE AND IT'S WORKED FOR US. NOW WE CONTEMPLATE MAKING A CHANGE.

WE MAKE RULE CHANGES BECAUSE WE DECIDED AS A COMMUNITY WE WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS.

I'M CONCERNED WITH THE OUTSIDE PARTY ATMOSPHERE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE CAN'T DENY THE WORRY THAT THAT'S THE SITE THAT WE CONTEMPLATED.

>> TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OUR EYES AND SAY WILL THAT'S NOT THE LOCATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT BEFORE US I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT THAT'S WHERE SOMEBODY'S COMING TO GO IN ITS CAN HAVE SOME ISSUES.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT TOO HAPPY ABOUT BRINGING A BUSINESS LIKE THIS INTO THE CITY.

>> HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND A FEW COMMENTS. >> MEETINGS ARE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. HAVE OUR ORDINANCES EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BREWPUBS?

I THINK IT SILENT AS TO THAT. >> THE WAY THE CORD IS WRITTEN IF THE USE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY

PERMITTED IT WILL BE PROHIBITED. >> CURRENTLY RESTAURANTS THAT

HAVE THEIR LICENSES, A PARAMETER PERMITTED? >> THEIR LOVE TO HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE AND THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE MANUFACTURING OF THE RESPONSE.

>> IS IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. >> SO LONG AS THEY HAVE THE FULL SERVICE.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT PARTICULAR SPACE ACTUALLY WAS A WINE BAR AND RETAIL SALES.

I SAY WINE BAR BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAD SEATS BUT IT DID HAVE WINE TASTINGS.

>> SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME SIMILAR ORDINANCES IN

OTHER CITIES. >> JUST AS A PREFERENCE. WE PUT MORE REGULATION THAN

MOST CITIES. YOU. >> OF THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION FINDS A CALL. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE MORE LENGTHY ORDINANCES THAT A

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>> DID WITH THE CORAL SPRINGS WHICH HAS A BIG BREWING COMPANY WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD FIT THE SORT OF AREA? COCONUT CREEK IN BOCA RATON AS WELL?

>> WE LOOKED AT MOST OF OUR NUMBER NEIGHBORING CITIES.> I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE CI. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE MORE RESTRICTED ELEMENTS THAT YOU PROPOSED INCLUDING THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE OTHERS? CAN YOU POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE? SOME OF THE RATIOS IN TERMS OF THE THE BUILDOUT IN TERMS OF THE TENANT SPACE LIKE THE 50% OF FLOOR AREA BEING DEDICATED TO THE BREWERY VERSUS A FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT. SOME OF THE PRODUCTION LIMITATIONS.

A LOT OF THEM DID LIMIT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF COURSE AND RESTAURANT SERVICE BEING LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. THEY TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THE RESTAURANT FUNCTION AND LIMIT THE IMPACT OF THE BREWING FUNCTION.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OR TWO. >> THE LOADING AND UNLOADING WITHOUT WAS IMPORTED AND MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH OTHERS THAT SPOKE TO THE USE ITSELF. IT'S THE OVERALL GROSS FLOOR AREA AND THE COUPLE OF THE OUTDOOR BEING THE ANSWER ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.

THE REST OF THEM WERE SILENT TO MOST OF THE OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT WE PUT IN HERE.

>> MANY OF THE CITIES ALLOW IT. IN THE DISTRICT NOT AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ITS PERMITTED USE. WE HAVE IT AS A SPECIAL

EXCEPTION. >> LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED WHEN I WAS FIRST READING IT IT'S IN TERMS OF THE LOADING AND UNLOADING HOURS.

ARE THOSE MORE OR LESS RESTRICTIVE ON OTHER USES IN THE BT ZONING DISTRICTS?

>> WHAT IS THE GENERAL RULE FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING FOR MATERIALS AND OTHER BUSINESSES?

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OUR LOADING AND UNLOADING. I'M NOT SURE I CAN GET BACK TO

YOU ON THAT. >> TO SAFE TO SAY THAT THIS IS MORE RESTRICTIVE?

>> HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON THE LOCATION OF THE LOADING AND UNLOADING BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE OURS. I CAN GET BACK TO YOU FROM THAT.

>> A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. I RESPECT HIM SIGNIFICANTLY BUT DISAGREE WITH HIM ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. AS A GENERAL PRACTICE THIS COULD BE A POTENTIAL VALUABLE TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THE CITY AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE MAKING IT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WHICH WILL BASICALLY HAVE THEM START OUT FROM A POSITION OF A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT ABILITY TO REGULATE WHEN THEY COME IN.

EVEN BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THIS. >> I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT WANT TO RESTRICT A PUP THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE HOOPS AND GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM ALSO BEING ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE.

IF THERE IS A WINE STORE IN THE CITY THAT WANTS TO STOCK A LOCAL BREWPUB WHERE HIS LIFE AND DO IT. THEY CAN GET PUBLIC LET THEM DO IT.

THE FUNKY BUDDHA WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT I WAS MENTIONING. I THINK THAT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS PROBLEM WILL BE SOMETHING GENERALLY IN THE CITY.

>> MY ONLY OTHER TWO COMMENTS WHERE I FOUND IT AMUSING THAT WE CALL IT DRAFT REGULATIONS

REGARDING THE GROUP PUB. >> I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. >> AND ALSO I DON'T REMEMBER US RESTRICTING LIQUOR STORES NEXT TO DAYCARE'S BUT I THINK THAT PARENTS WOULD BE UPSET IF WE DID THAT. DOES THEM IN THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

I WOULD BE YES ON THIS. THANK YOU NATHANIEL. >> I DO ALSO AGREE WITH NATHANIEL. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO LIMIT THEM.

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>>. >> BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT BOARD MEMBER.

YOU CAN TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS BUT IN THE CONVERSATION WITH POTENTIAL APPLICANTS THEY DID INDICATE THAT IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THEY BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY HOPE TO BE THAT PARKLAND WOULD REMAIN MORE OF A BACKROOM STYLE AND THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR MORE INTENSE BREWING FUNCTION TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. CASUAL CONVERSATION HAS NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO THAT BUT THAT WAS THEIR EXPRESSED INTENT AND WILL IN

>> WE ARE NOT AT THE DISCUSSING THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION YET IT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN. WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IN MANY RESPECTS SIMILAR TO THE COMMENT. DOING THIS IS CONSIDERING SOMETHING OTHER THAN PROTECTING GOING FORWARD THESE ARE THE HAVING SAID THAT BREWPUBS ARE THINKING WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE CITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE WHOLE GOT TO PLAY THE CLIENT IN ADDITION TO THE SECTION WE WANTED TO COME WITH THEM WITH THE PROPOSED REGULATION AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND REFINEMENT. THE THING THE LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE RATHER THAN JUST THROWING IT WIDE OPEN AND HAVING STAFF SAY BREW IT, SELL IT OR DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. THAT WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT.

WHAT IS GOING TO SAY TO THE OTHER EXCELLENT POINT IS THAT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE IS ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS AN ITEM I'M GOING TO DISCUSS BROADLY.

>> IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW EXTERNAL DISTRIBUTION I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL I WENT INTO PUBLIX OR ANY OTHER PLACE WITH THE END ZONE'S AND BREWED BEVERAGES.

IS SUPPORTED. IN AN BRING YOUR NOTES. I FIND MYSELF AGREEING WITH

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WE NEED PRACTICAL REGULATION. WOULDN'T WANT TO HANDCUFF SOMEBODY.

WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN COMING TO PARKLAND.E WANT THE NEXT FUNKY BUDDHA AGAIN.

HOWEVER BECAUSE IT'S A RESTAURANT AND THAT THE SCALE WHEN IT IS PROPOSED OR WHATEVER IT IS DONE IN CORAL SPRINGS. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF USE THAT WE WOULD WANT.

HOWEVER AS I LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE AFTER HAVING EXPERIENCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS IT TO BE SO FABULOUSLY SUCCESSFUL THAT THEY MAIL AND RESTAURANT AND THE FOOD BECOMES AN AFTERTHOUGHT OR WORSE BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES PRIMARILY A BAR. OR WORDS IT BECOMES PRIMARILY A BEER MANUFACTURE.

IN OUR RETAIL LOCATIONS THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

THE WAY WE GET AROUND THE AND WE ATTACK THAT IS WITH THE REGULATIONS SOME OF WHICH ARE HERE BUT I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY 100% BE PROACTIVE ON SALES AND QUANTITIES SO THAT WE CAN TAIL OFF WHATEVER REPORTING THEY HAVE THE GHOST OF THE STATE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF QUANTITIES AND FOOD WE RECEIVE BECAUSE THE LIQUOR LICENSE REQUIRES THAT ALSO.

IF SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THAT WE DON'T LIKE FOR EXAMPLE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DISTRIBUTION ON SITE. AND YOU HAVE BEER TRUCKS COMING IN EVERY DAY.

YOU HAVE CAKES BEING SORT OUT BACK IN THE STUMP STREET AREA. NEED TO BE IMMEDIATELY ABLE TO HAVE MY GROUP OR AS A FINAL. THE 20 USING THE FOR A WHILE. ACTIVE MONITORING.

WE CAN PRODUCE WHICH IS NO MORE THAN FIVE BARRELS. LIMIT THEM TO NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PRODUCED ON SITE SO WE ARE SOLD AND CONSUMED ON SITE.

>> WE NEED TO MAKE A REFERENCE THAT THE MAXIMUM 5000 BUT IT CAN ELIMINATE THE PROVISIONS.

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THEY CAN GIVE AN EXTRA AMOUNT THAT THEY HAD. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF THEY HAVE AN OFF-SITE LOCATION OR AN INDUSTRIAL PLACE ONE DAY. IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL MAY BREWING DISTRICTS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM SHARING WITH OTHER TENANTS.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO THE OUTSIDE SEATING AREA IS DIFFERENT.

THIS SEEMS TO ALMOST SAY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED. I THINK THAT OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS REALLY OFF. WE PROPOSE TO ALLOW 50% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BREWPUB. HE STATES A 5000 FT.B2 BREWPUB. HALF OF WHICH INSIGHT IS THE BREWERY SO YOU HAVE ONLY 2500 FT.B2 OF INSIDE THE KITCHEN AND SEATING AREA WHICH MEANS THAT YOUR OUTSIDE SEATING AREA WHICH WILL DOUBLE OR OR WHAT YOU'RE SEATING AT'S.

YOU 5000 FT.B2 THAT'S A LOT TO BE 50% BREWPUB. THEN YOU HAVE KITCHEN

FACILITIES AND THEN YOU HAVE SEATING AREA. >> BPC OUTSIDE? IT'S MARDI GRAS, CINCO DE MAYO OR ST. PATRICK'S DAY. YOUR LARGE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S POSSIBLY BEYOND WHAT HAPPENED.

HOPEFULLY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. I THINK THAT THE DIMENSIONS OF IT NEED TO BE BROUGHT DOWN.

SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUES. WINDS UP HAPPENING IS ONE THAT SWELLS THE PARKING GOES DOWN AND WE DON'T HAVE SUCH GENEROUS PARKING IN MANY OF OUR SHOPS THAT WE HAVE.E REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO POLICE THAT AND HAVE THOSE RATIOS BEING ENFORCEABLE AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAN IT RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO.

THE OUTSIDE SEATING AREAS WITH THE BEER GARDEN ARE DIFFERENT OUTSIDE SEATING AREA DENSITY SITTING AGAINST A NORMAL RESTAURANT. PEOPLE COULD BE DRINKING AND PROBABLY PEOPLE WILL BE DRINKING MORE HERE SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU RETROFIT THESE THINGS THEY GOING TO THE SIDEWALK AREA FOR A BUFFER AREA.

MAYBE 5 FEET OF THE CURB. AREA BEFORE YOU GET TO ANY PARTICULAR USAGE.

>> NONNA'S EARLY. IT WILL SET THE RULES FOR EVERY CENTER THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T JUST RETROFIT. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT UNDER THOSE GUIDELINES THEN WHATEVER

CENTER YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE ONE. >> I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ABILITIES TO ENFORCE THAT. THEY NEED TO EFFECTIVELY SHOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO NOT

DISTURB ABUTTING PROPERTIES. >> I THINK THEY'RE AN OKAY USE.

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THEY GO DOWNTOWN AND SELL TO ANHEUSER-BUSCH. >> AND I THINK WE WANT THAT INTENSITY USE. TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO ANY OF OUR RETAIL STORES.

>> QUICK THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

BEING ONE OF THE UNDER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD YOU THINK I WOULD BE COMING AT THIS AT A DIFFERENT MINDSET. JUST FROM THE TOP OF GOING AND TAKING HIGH ALCOHOL CONTENT.

WHAT I THOUGHT. WERE THE ORDINANCES HAVE A DRINK.

GROUP OF FUN WITHOUT PAY, EXCEPTION AND THE CODE ALLOWS IT TO GO INTO THE EMPEROR AND THE KIDS MORE A DCC VU FOR THE REST OF US ON HOW I LIKE TO HELP THEM LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT AND A WAY THAT 5K A GOOD HONEST ABOUT FIGHTING OFF OF THE APPLICANT IS NOT, BEFORE THE COACHING FELL TO TALK ABOUT IT. CLICK ON THE.

IT WAS RESTRICTIONS IN HERE TO MAKE IT IF WE ARE GONNA GO AT THIS TIME AS MANY RESTRICTIONS AS WE CAN TAKE WILDLIFE OUT YOUR ARE OPENING UP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRINKING AND DRIVING SAFETY. YOU REALLY GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO BE AT THESE MEETINGS FIGHTING US WHEN THAT APPLICANT ALSO ACTUALLY COMES IN AND AS NEIGHBORS BEHIND YOU

AND WHERE THOSE PEOPLE TO BE DRIVING HOME TO. >> REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AS A WHOLE. THAT WAS MY FIRST OUT WITH A 1500.

THE ORDINANCE FOR ITEM C AND G SOUNDED A LITTLE CONTRADICTING. A MINIMUM OF 50% OF BEVERAGES PRODUCED ON SITE SHALL BE SOLD AND/OR CONSUMED ON SITE BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T DISTRIBUTE OFF-SITE. I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND A 50% HAD TO BE WITHIN HUNDRED PERCENT. SO THE GROWLERS WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. >> WHOSE MONITORING THE

GROWLERS? >> IS A DRINK AT THEIR? AS YOU CAN GET A GROWLER, DRINK IT THERE AND THEN LEAVE. TO ME IT'S A VERY SCARY ORDINANCE TO LOOK AT AND AGAIN

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THAT'S REALLY MY THOUGHT. EVERYTHING WAS PUT TOGETHER GREAT.

I LOVE THE IDEA. I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE I WAS NEVER BREWERY BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I THINK PARKLAND STANDS FOR.

PEOPLE MAY COME AND SAY WHAT THE HECK ALEX 234 YEARS OLD OF COURSE YOU WANT TO GO DRINK BEER AND THAT GOOD STUFF. I THINK FOR THE CITY OF PARK AND WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. I DON'T THINK THAT INSTIGATING

AND PROMOTING DRINKING IS WHAT PARKLAND SHOULD BE ABOUT. >> DEREK EUROPEYOU ARE UP NEXT.

>> DAVID BROUGHT SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE REVENUE FROM FOOD SALES AND GROUP PUBLICATIONS. THEY SAID IF YOU BEEN TO THE FUNKY PUT IT IN YOU EATEN THERE THIS THE FOOD SOCKET THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN IT BE THERE. PEOPLE ARE JUST ANOTHER TO DRINK. UNLESS THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO MAKE THEM HAVE BETTER FOOD I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS WHAT THE CLARIFICATION IS. THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD.

BASICALLY THAT WAS IT FOR MY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR TARGETING OUR

ALLOTTED CONSUMPTION. >> IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I BOUGHT A GROWLER.

AS A COLD WHEN YOU GET IT OR IS IT ROOM TEMPERATURE? >> IS POURED OUT OF THE TOP.

>> ARTIST IN THE POSITION THERE BUT LET'S SAY PREPARING THIS AND COMPARING IT TO MY EXPERIENCE AT COOPER'S HAWK, FABLE A BOTTLE OF WINE WE DON'T FINISH IT, THEY SEE THAT ENOUGH. JUST THINK IF YOU WALKED OUT OF PUBLIX OR ANY OTHER PLACE ONCE YOU OPEN IT YOU'RE VIOLATING THE LAW IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CONCERNS AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERANALYZING SOMETHING TO CREATE A CONCERN THAT IS ALREADY A LAW.

I DEFINITELY HEAR THE PROS AND CONS BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS A DEMAND OUT THERE AND GOING BACK TO THE 50% FOOD THAT'S PURELY TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST THE BAR.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ABOUT THAT. >> MY COMMENTS ARE A COUPLE.

I SUPPORT THE BREWPUB. I SUPPORT THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS AS WRITTEN AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT.

AUDIT DEFINITIONS I FEEL NEED TO BE ASSERTED WHETHER IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE PERCENTAGES AND DEFINITIONS. IT'S 50% FOOD SALES.

DICTATORSHIPS ARE COMMON A LOT OF EVALUATION IS TO NOT ABOUT ALLOWING SPECIFICALLY HOW TO DO TO SEE HOW YOU ANOTHER WAY FIVE 2000 AND WHAT THAT MEANS. WITH RESPECT TO PHYSICALLY FIGHT THE SENSE OF TRUST IN THE PRESENTATION CANNOT ANIMAL. IT WAS A LOT OF ENOUGH EFFECT

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BEFORE THIS GETS PUBLICIZED IN THE APPLICANT GOES FORWARD THEY WOULD COME IN AND MAKE SURE

THEY KNOW THE POSSIBILITIES OF PUSHBACK. >> YOU ARE CORRECT, IT WAS AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL THERE WAS A VERY SPIRITED AND LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT NOISE.

IT WAS DENIED AT THE END OF THE DAY. PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO GO

THERE. >> WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS PARTICULAR WOULD BE APPLICANT BECAUSE WERE SHOWING IT ON THE PRESENTATION AND WE KNOW IT'S COMING.

IS ANYTHING OR IS THERE ANY MECHANISM THAT DRAWS A PARALLEL WITH THE TWO RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE THAT BOTH SERVE AND HAVE FULL LIQUOR LICENSES? AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LIMITED BEER AND WINE LICENSE VERSUS TWO RESTAURANTS NEXT DOOR THAT HAVE FULL LICENSES. ONE OF WHICH HAS A LOT OF PROCEEDINGS.

>> THERE WOULD BE A NOISE ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT THAT WORKS OR OPERATES OUTDOORS ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S ALSO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT THAT PEOPLE CONGREGATE THEM BECAUSE IN

TELLING YOU READ MY BIKE AND THAT GETS THERE. >> WE THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION BUT WE AKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THE APPLICANTS COME IN. EVEN THOUGH IT IS SHOWN ON HERE IT'S CASE-BY-CASE.

>> YOU WRITE WITH THE TWO RESTAURANTS AND THE POINT THAT I'M HEARING IS NOT NECESSARILY THE PROBLEM PER SE BUT IT'S THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY WITH WHAT KIND OF ISSUES THAT MIGHT RAISE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR EACH AND EVERY APPLICATION WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD. THERE COULD BE LIMITATIONS AND CONDITIONS SET UPON IT IF IT

WAS DEEMED APPROPRIATE. THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. >> FORMER ASPECT ALSO FOR EXAMPLE GIVEN AGAIN AS A REFERENCE TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT WAS CITED IF YOU WILL. IF SITE WERE TO BE COMING IN IT WOULD BE BY DEFINITION I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, A MINOR SITE PLANS AND YOU MODIFY THAT OUTDOOR.

>> IT WOULD HAVE A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT'S CORRECT. >> I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT THAT WE'VE HAD. AS A PLANNING BOARD ARE WE ARE WE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF MICROBREWERIES IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND? THAT'S PIECE ONE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANYWHERE NEAR READY TO PROVE THE ORDINANCES IS PROPOSED.

AS A PLANNING BOARD THE FIRST QUESTION HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. >> RENTAL ARE NOT SHORTLY.

>> ARE WE GOING TO BE VOTING ON THE PROPOSAL WHICH CONCLUDES THE ORDINANCE?

THEY ARE ASPECTS THAT I CAN SUPPORT. >> AND ANY REFERENCE THAT SITE

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BECAUSE IT WAS IN THERE. >> AS YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE YOU CAN ENVISION WHAT ISSUES HE

WOULD THINK ABOUT WHEN EVALUATING THIS FOR ANY SITE. >> OUTTHINK PUBS OR BAD USE THEY COULD BE GOOD AND TRENDY AS WELL AS UPSCALE AND FANTASTIC THAT COULD BE PART OF

THE PAST FABRIC OF THE CITY. >> MY ISSUE IS THEY CAN GROW. WE KNOW THEY CAN GROW.T'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE OFF-SITE DISTRIBUTION. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR ANY SPECIAL EXCEPTION AT ANY LOCATION. IT'S IN THE BEGINNING AND PEOPLE NEED TO SEE AND YOU MUST MEET UP BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN COME IN.

>> IS A PLAN FOR IT AND THEN IT COMES IN. IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT AND THEY CAN EVEN APPLY FOR IT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO SEE INSIDE OF THE ORDINANCE.

WE NEED TO SEE THOSE CRITERIA EXPANDED AND CLARIFIED. WE KNOW IF THEY COULD MEET THESE AND WE'VE DONE OUR JOB TO SAY YES. AND THEN LOOK AT EACH ONE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. WE MEET THE REGULATIONS IN THE HANDS AND REVISE BEFORE WE

COULD APPROVE. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WHERE WOULD TAKE CAUTION WITH THAT IS THAT THE CITY OF PARKLAND FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT AND THE WAY IT WAS BUILT AND THE WEIGHT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. IT'S LIMITED TO STRIP CENTERS.

OR NOW POSSIBLY ORANGE DRIVE. THAT'S IT. >> A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ALLOWS US TO REVIEW EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS. THE APPLICANT IS GONNA SPEND

$10,000 JUST TO APPLY. >> THE END OF THE DAY WITH CONSULTANTS IN DRAWING AND

EVERYTHING ELSE PROBABLY SURE. >> A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY DON'T GET IT BACK.

>> THEY APPLY WE REJECTED AND THEN NOW THEY ARE OUT A LOT OF MONEY.

A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO START WITH. I THINK WE'RE HAMSTRINGING A LOT. AS LONG AS I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. WE CAN GO OVER THESE AND I WILL EITHER ALLOW OR DENY BASED ON

SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND USED. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IT'S A

SPECIAL REQUEST AND I'M RESTATING THAT. >> AS WELL AS GETTING AN ID APPLICATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH US. ALEXA GONE BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE TIMES ON THE 50% ISSUE. I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT ORIGINALLY.

I ALSO NOTED I WAS THINKING BACK WHEN GOVERNOR DESANTIS DURING CORONAVIRUS WHICH YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SHUTDOWN THE BARS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA LAST SPRING.

WHAT WAS THE STANDARD THAT WAS BEING UTILIZED? WHAT'S A BAR VERSUS WHAT'S A RESTAURANT? IT'S CONSIDERED THE STATE LEVEL IN VARIOUS COUNTY LEVELS IN ITS 50% OF THE GROSS REVENUES FROM THIS ESTABLISHMENT COMING FROM ALCOHOL THEREFORE THEY ARE LESS THAN 50% COMING FROM ALCOHOL. I THINK THAT I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE IN A SCENARIO WHERE WE ARE PUTTING THE 50% REQUIREMENT FOR GROSS REVENUE. WE RECOGNIZE THAT A BREWPUB IS NOT THE SAME AS A NONALCOHOL SERVING RESTAURANT IN TERMS OF ITS ACTIVITIES.

THE CONCEPT OF THE 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BREWHOUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF OPERATIONS.

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WE HAVE THESE OTHER REGULATIONS ARE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE.

IF THEY ARE VIOLATING THE TERMS OF THEIR SPECIAL EXCEPTION WE HAVE THINGS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE ORDINANCE. BESIDES THAT WE DEAL WITH ST. PATRICK'S DAY OR THE HOLIDAYS WERE THE OUTSIDE IS GETTING LARGE FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THEY'RE ALREADY ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT EXIST WITH OTHER ORDINANCES. I THINK THAT THE 50% DOES PLAY AN IMPORTANT PART. WHETHER OR NOT TO MY! NEED TO DEFINE A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT IS 50% NONALCOHOL BASE. THE SALES ARE GREAT BECAUSE YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF THE BARS ARE DOING TO GET AROUND THE STANDARD OF WHAT THE BAR VERSUS WHAT'S A RESTAURANT BECAUSE IT WAS GREAT IT WAS THROUGH EFFECTS OF BEER AND 25 DOLLARS POTATO CHIPS. HOW DO WE ADD SOMETHING TO THAT CONCEPT TO AVOID IT BEING A BAR

VERSUS BEING BECAUSE BREWHOUSE OR BIG BEER BREWING COMPANY. >> NATHANIEL DON'T YOU THINK YOU NEED A WAY TO POLICE THAT? F YOU CAN'T BUT THAT CONCEPT WITH THOSE REGULATIONS WITH THE MECHANISM FOR US TO POLICE THAT? THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITY IS DONE BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. ARE THEY COMMITTED TO GOING IN

THERE AND MONITORING THIS AND HAVING THIS FORMULA? >> I'M SURE IT WILL BE COMPLAINT BASED JUST LIKE MUCH OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS. IF THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE REQUIRING TO BE GETTING COPIES OF INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING TO THE STATE FOR THE SPECIFIC SPECIFIC BREWPUB LICENSES PLUS LEAVING THE 50%. YES, SOME THAT WILL BE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM BUT AGAIN IF A BUSINESS COMES IN SEEKING APPROVAL AND NOW THEY'RE OPERATING. I HAVE A STRANGE FEELING THAT WITHIN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME DOING DOLLAR GROWLERS AND 30 ON RENDERINGS FOR NOW AND WE CAN HAVE AN ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT. THE CIVILIAN POPULATION CITY WITH 50 BREWPUBS THAT NEED TO BE MONITORED AND REGULATED. AGAIN THE EXAMPLES GIVEN IN TERMS OF DCJCVU.

MY FAVORITE PLACES. IF THAT WERE BREWPUB VERSUS A RESTAURANT AND FULL LIQUOR BAR IS IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW I WOULD FIND NO DIFFERENCE IN WANTING TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT AND THE TYPE OF LOCATION. I REMAIN IN FAVOR OF THIS WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING WHAT MARY HAD COMMENTED ABOUT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT ADDITIONAL

LANGUAGE REGARDING THE 50%. >> OTHERWISE I'M FINE WITH IT. >> I'M JUST CAN INTERJECT SOMETHING. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD DO THE VOTE IN TWO PARTS.

LET US KNOW IF YOU SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS THE COMMISSION WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. LET ME KNOW IF IT'S JUST APPROVAL OR DENIAL AND THAT IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS WE WANT TO KNOW THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S APPROVAL OR DENIAL BECAUSE WE SEND IT FORWARD WITH THOSE CONDITIONS SHOULD THE COMMISSION DECIDE TO APPROVE IT

WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. >> ARE WE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON

IT LIKE THAT? >> WE DISCUSSED HOW THAT TAKES PLACE RIGHT NOW.

WE BRING THE AGENDA ITEM TO THE PUBLIC. >> BOB MAYERSON.

I LIVE IN PARKLAND FLORIDA. I JUST WANT TO COME HERE AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE EITHER WAY BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AS WELL AS THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION THIS IS WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT YOU GUYS AND THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE. YOU CONTINUE TO THAT AND THAT

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MY COMMENT. >> ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC?

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? >> ITEM HAS TWO VOTES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE DO WANT TO SEE A VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE WHETHER IT'S FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR A YES, SIR NO BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM ALSO TAKING A VOTE THAT COULD BE SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION AS A RECOMMENDATION ON THE OVERALL ISSUE OF WHETHER THE BOARD IS IN FAVOR OR NOT.

>> IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR AND DON'T LIKE CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND YOU WANT US TO GO BACK AND TWEAK IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL MAYBE THE COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT. IF THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE AT OKAY GO BACK WILL GIVE YOU MORE

TIME TO TWEAK IT. >> THINK YOU'RE JUST NOT SOMETHING TO MIND WHICH IS A GOOD POINT. IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT IT IS IN FAVOR BUT YOU DON'T LIKE IT GIVE US DIRECTION YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SEND IT FORWARD AND YOU MAY WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO US

AND BRING IT BACK AGAIN AND WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU. >> DAVID HAD HIS HAND UP.

>> IS AN VIDEOS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> DAVID WILL YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO

CAPTURE WHAT YOUR MOTION IS GOING TO BE. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF BREWPUBS IN THE CITY NUMBER WO I WOULD MAKE THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.

APPY TO PROVIDE A LIST OF MY NOTES. OR IF YOU BELIEVE YOU'VE HEARD ENOUGH THEY COULD BRING IT BACK TO AN ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION OF MEETING.

THEIR POLICING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE CONSIDERED AT THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK IT'S OUR JOB AS A PLANNING BOARD TO GIVE THE COMMISSION A FINAL PRODUCTS. AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT IT AND SHOWING UP UNDER PUBLIC TESTIMONY THIS IS AN ORDINANCE WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT. THERE REGULATIONS IF WE CAN MEET THEM AND MAKE A BUSINESS OUT OF THEM IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN OUT IN THE WEDGE WHEN WE HAVE AFTER-THE-FACT ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ON THINGS THAT HAVEN'T GONE WELL AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE UPFRONT.

>> AND THEN ASK YOU TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION. >> MISTER CHAIRMAN POINT OF ORDER. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT MICROBREWERIES COMING TO THE CITY FROM ANYTHING RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE. IT GIVES THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHERE THE BOARD

STANDS ON WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THE ORDINANCE. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT DAVID

SAID. >> IS NOT WHAT HE SAID. >> I WILL SECOND PART A.

>> WHEN WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS TO MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE. FOR ANYBODY ON THE BOARD OR THE

COMMISSION. >> I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THAT WITH THE GENERAL YES, SIR NO WE APPRECIATE THE CONCEPT OF

A BREWPUB IN THE CITY OF PARKLAND. >> I SECOND.

>> IT WAS SECONDED BY DANIEL. LEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

CARRIES SIX AND ONE. NEXT ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. >> DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION

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WANT. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD NEIL LEFT THE MEETING IS PLANNED.

>> I THINK THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'VE

BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH GENERAL CONCEPTS. >> HERE'S ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER. WE WENT INTO THE PRESENTATION OR THE FACILITATING CONCEPT OF HAVING TWO MOTIONS. WE HAD THE ONE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE FACT OF HAVING TWO MOTIONS. I JUST WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

YOU SHOULD VOTE ON THAT ORDINANCE WHETHER IT'S YES, NO OR YES WITH THESE CONDITIONS.

OR MAYBE ANOTHER OPTION TO TABLE IT AND WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS I THINK I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION ON A COUPLE OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THEM PARTICULARLY ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE DEBATED HEAVILY WITH THE DISTRIBUTION COMPONENT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT? GIVE US THAT TYPE OF DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE COME BACK.

>> WE CAN DO THAT AND AGAIN FOR THE RECORD ARE WE GOING TO WITHOUT HAVING A MOTION DOCUMENTING IT. ARE WE GOING TO BE AS A PLANNING BOARD PRESENTED WITH THE ORDINANCE AGAIN? I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE CONCERN WAS.

AS A REWRITE. >> IS THERE AN APPLICANT WAITING FOR THIS TO BE

APPROVED. >>. >> IS FURTHER ALONG THAN HE

WAS TWO MONTHS AGO. >> IN OTHER WORDS HE NEEDS TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING IN

PLACE AND WE NEED TO DO IT RIG. >> I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT BUSINESSES TO GO AWAY.

THEY WILL FIND SOME PLACE ELSE TO GO. >> BY THAT SAME TOKEN THEY

WANT TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TENSION SHORTLY, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH AFTER THE MEETING, THAT CERTAIN CAN BE SET FOR INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEND IT TO MICHELLE THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE THINKING ABOUT. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISTRIBUTE TO EVERYBODY ELSE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED. SOMETHING CAN SORT OF GET MIXED

TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND THE MAY MEETING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

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>> ITEM C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 1006 THE TEXT AMENDMENT. I'M GONNA READ IT INTO THE

[8.C. Ordinance No. 2021-006: Flex Units/Comp Plan Text Amendment]

PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY. >> WE DO NOT WANT TO TABLE THIS. WE DO NOT WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN SINCE THE TIME THAT WE ADVERTISE THIS WHICH IS WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE HAD STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONS. A MINUTE TLK ABOUT THAT JUST BRIEFLY IN A FEW LY IN A FEW MINUTES. WE MAY HAVE OTHER HER

COMPREHENSIVE. >> WE'RE GOING TO BE TABLING IT.

>> WE ARE TABLING IT. >> AND REMOVE MY GAVEL MOMENTARILY AND MAKE A MOTION

TO TABLE ITEM C ORIENTS NUMBER 2021 Ã 006. >> IS THERE A SECOND?>> I

WILL SECOND BUT THE CLERK CALLED THE ROLE. >> IS EVERYONE IN ANIMUS?>

OKAY AY. >> ARE WE READY FOR PUBLIC RECORDS TRAINING?

[9.A. Training - Public Records, Ethics and Sunshine Regulations]

>> MOTION TO DISMISS. >> FAIR ENOUGH. IT IS IMPORTANT IN YOUR RULES HERE. WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS TO GIVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE AND TOOLS SO THAT YOU CAN ACT ACCORDINGLY AND MAKE DECISIONS WHEN DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU. I COULD EASILY MAKE THIS A TO OUR PRESENTATION.

I'M NOT TO DO THAT TONIGHT. I'VE BEEN TOLD TO LIMIT IT. I'M SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU ON THAT BUT I'M CAN HIT THE KEY TOPICS WE WILL GO THROUGH THEM AND I WILL RESERVE SOME TIME

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FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> WITH ADAM TO GET STARTED.

I WAS SORT OF PUBLIC RECORD PRESENTATIONS WITH THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC RECORD.

ARE NOT ONE OF THESE ATTORNEYS AND LIKES TO PRESENT YOU WITH A TON TEXT ON OF TEXT STUFF BUT I HAVE TO START WITH THE DEFINITION. EVERYTHING GETS FLOWED FROM THERE. PUBLIC RECORD IS DOCUMENTS, PAPERS, LETTERS, MAPS, SOUND RECORDINGS, DATA PROCESSING OR THE MATERIAL AND THEN I UNDERLINE IN BOTH THE KEYWORDS THAT I BELIEVE ARE SIGNIFICANT HERE. REGARDLESS OF THE PHYSICAL FORM, CHARACTERISTICS OR TRANSMISSION IT PURSUES INTO LAW OR ORDINANCE.

THIS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSACTION OR OFFICIAL BUSINESS.

IF YOU SAY WHY AM I TO YOU IF I MUST EMPHASIZE THE POINT THAT IN DRAFTING THIS DEFINITION THE LEGISLATOR TOOK TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY EMPHASIZE THAT THE FORM OF THE DOCUMENT FOR THE RECORD REALLY IS NOT SIGNIFICANT. WITH SIGNIFICANT AS THE CONTENT. IS IT IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSACTION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS? YOU'LL SEE WHY AM EMPHASIZING THIS EARLY IN A CIRCLE BACK TO IT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS FROM CASE LAW AND THESE HAVE BEEN AFFIRMED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT ADDING FURTHER EXPLANATION AS TO PUBLIC RECORD AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ANY MATERIAL PREPARED IN CONNECTION WITH THE BUSINESS WHICH IS INTENDED TO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE. YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN FLORIDA STATUTES.

THERE'S MORE PROVISIONS THAN I GUESS I SHOULD FAST-FORWARD YET BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE IF IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC RECORD EVERY PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO INSPECT IT.

THE STATE LAW REQUIRES TO BE MAKE THE PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST IF YOU ARE GOING TO EXEMPT OR REDACT INFORMATION. THEY CITE THE STATUTE UPON WHICH YOU ARE RELYING UPON.

AND THEN FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 119 Ã0971A, EVERY PERSON WHO HAS CUSTODY, CUSTODY'S BIG WORD HERE AND I'LL COME BACK TO IT. YOU'LL SEE WHY IT SIGNIFICANT IN A WAY TO FOCUS ON THAT. IT COPIES BY ANY PERSON TO DO SO IN ANY REASONABLE TIME UNDER REASONABLE CONDITIONS UNDER SUPERVISION BY THE CUSTODIAN OF PUBLIC RECORD.

THE QUESTION I GET ASKED A LOT THAT ALWAYS COMES UP IS IF I SUBMIT PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS

HOW LONG DOES THE CITY HAVE TO RESPOND. >> WHAT IS REASONABLE TIME EAN? LEADERS CAN DEBATE THAT TO SOME EXTENT THAT'S WHAT WE GET PAID TO DO. SOMEBODY DOES A RECORD REQUEST AND I WANT A COPY OF THE BREWPUB ORDINANCE THAT YOU JUST CONSIDERED IT PROBABLY

SHOULDN'T TAKE THREE WEEKS TO PROVIDE THAT. >> PUBLIC RECORD LOT IS FOR PUBLIC RECORD. THE CUSTODIAN DESIGNEE MOST ACKNOWLEDGES THE REQUEST AND RESPONSE IN GOOD FAITH AND THERE YOU HAVE IT. THE CITY HAS A REASONABLE TIME TO DO IT. CUSTODY IS ONE DESCRIBED AS HAVING SUPERVISION AND CONTROL OF THE DOCUMENT OR LEGAL SENSIBILITY. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME REAL-WORLD

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CIRCUMSTANCES YOU DON'T HAVE TO STARE AT THE SCREEN. >> YOU HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE AND YOU TEXT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. ANOTHER YEAR CONSIDERING THE BREWPUB ORDINANCE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING AND I REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER HOW THIS AFFECTS THE PROPERTY HERE AND GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES AND CHALLENGES. BECAUSE THEY ARE MENTIONING THAT YOU ARE A BOARD MEMBER AND CONSIDERING YOUR MEETING THAT'S HAVING TO BE A PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S IN RELATION TO YOUR OFFICIAL DUTIES YOU HAVE A TEXT. THREE WEEKS LATER WE GET A RECORD REQUEST THAT SAYS THE CITY GETS IT AND SAYS WE WANT RECORDS FROM MEMBERS OF PUBLIC RECORDS REGARDING THE BREWPUB. WHO HAS THAT RECORD? IF YOU'RE SENDING AN EMAIL OR ANY MEMO THAT YOU HAVE BETWEEN YOU AND THE CITY GENERALLY IT'S PICKED UP ON THE SERVER.

THE CITY GETS RECORD REQUESTS AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS.

WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO EACH BOARD MEMBER AND SAY LET ME SEE YOUR EMAILS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE TEXT MESSAGING COULD BE REALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T CITY EMPLOYEES AND YOU'RE NOT USING CITY PHONES IT DOESN'T GET CAPTURED ON THE CITY SERVER. YOU HAVE THAT RECORD IN THE CITY DOESN'T.

GUESS WHO HAS CUSTODY OF IT? WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO BE AS A CUSTODIAN OF THE PUBLIC RECORD BY YOURSELF BECAUSE THEN IT'S ON YOU AND THEIR RECORD RETENTION REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATE. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN RECORDS FOR CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME BASED ON WHAT KIND OF RECORD IT IS.

HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS BOX? I WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT. YOU GUYS ARE HERE VOLUNTARILY AND I GET PAID WELL TO BE HERE. YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT SO WHEN YOU GET THESE TEXT MESSAGES AND POTENTIALLY AN EMAIL LET'S SAY YOU DON'T HAVE THE CITY COLLEGES.

WHEN YOU GET AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT EASIEST THING TO DO IS FORWARDED TO THE CLERK OR TO JEAN BECAUSE THEN IT HITS THE SERVER AND YOU'RE DONE.

WHEN I RECORD REQUEST COMES IN COME THE SAME ONE THAT I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT AGO HAVE TO GO OUT TO YOU. YOU MAY STILL GET CONTACT AND SAY HEY DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? PARTICULARLY IF THEY CITE A BOARD MEMBER.

>> YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THAT. >> IS A DOCUMENT THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT DEALS WITH RECORD RETENTION. IT'S HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG AND IT HAS THESE CATEGORIES DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENT RECORD IT IS. THERE'S A RECORD RETENTION FOR EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES AND ARE CLEAR CUSTODY WITH THAT.

I HAVE TO DO THAT TO SOME EXTENT. FOR THEM SO THEY ARE CAPTURED

ON THE SERVER. >> YOU SEE THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DESIGNATE A CUSTODIAN IT'S GENERALLY THE CITY CLERK. BEFORE THE LAW WAS UNCLEAR AND PEOPLE COULD COME UP TO THE CITY EMPLOYEE THAT SITTING IN THE FRONT OR THE COULD POTENTIALLY COME INTO A BOARD MEMBER AND SAY HEY, GIVE ME A COPY OF THE COMMUNICATIONS YOU HAVE IS A BOARD MEMBER. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOUR REQUEST. TO HANDLE THE PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS AND I THINK THE LAW HAS BEEN CLARIFIED IN THAT REGARD. THE WAY DON'T KNOW THAT IF IT WAS CLARIFIED FOR YOUR BENEFIT BUT IT PRIMARILY STEMS FROM A LOT OF PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT DEAL WITH GOVERNMNT. THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING LANDSCAPING AND SOME OF HER FROM THE PUBLIC COMES OUT ONE OF THOSE EMPLOYEES AND SAYS HEY, GIVE ME A COPY OF YOUR INSURANCE. YOU GET SUED A FEW MONTHS LATER AND IT SOUNDS SILLY THAT IT HAPPENED FOR A LONG TIME THROUGHOUT THE STATE. FOLKS THAT ARE IN GOVERNMENT NOW AFTER SEVEN YEARS AGO WAS CRAZY. WEIRD FOLKS GOING AROUND SETTING UP PUBLIC RECORDS LAWSUITS BASED ON THAT. YOU HAVE GOTTEN SOME HELP IN THAT REGARD. I'M TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE KEY ISSUES HERE PUBLIC RECORD IN MODERN-DAY 'S SOCIAL MEDIA. EARLY ON AS THESE THINGS EVOLVE MAYBE IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR AND YET ARGUMENTS THE OTHER WAY. IN MY OPINION THE WAY THE CASE LAW HAS EVOLVED IN THIS A LOT OF THOSE ARGUMENTS DISAPPEAR. IF IT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC RECORD LIKE WE JUST WENT OVER WHETHER IT'S ON FACEBOOK IF YOUR BIG SOCIAL MEDIA FOR

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YOU CAN SEE AS FAR BACK EVEN AS FAR BACK AS 2008, THERE WAS ALREADY A FINDING BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHICH IS THE LEGISLATIVE INTERPRETER AND STATE.

HE SAID THAT POSTING MESSAGES ON SOCIAL MEDIA COULD COST HER PUBLIC RECORD.

IT DOES MEAN EVERY RECORD WE POST EVERYTHING YOU POST ABOUT POTENTIALLY THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORD AND HAVE TO FORWARD THAT TO THE COURT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE YOU JUST FINALLY OUT THE LAW WILL DANCE YOU CAN ACT ACCORDINGLY. BUT IF YOU STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THAT. GENERALLY WHEN THIS COMES UP AND THIS IS FOR SUNSHINE LAW TO WHICH EVER TO HAPPEN FROM THIS. THE CONTEXT THAT HAPPENS IS MOST THE TIME LIKE IN THE CONTEXT OF PNC AND ZONING THE DEVELOPER GETS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT AND THEY START WITH PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS AND IT GOES FROM THERE. KEEP IN MIND IS THE WORST.

FORGIVE ME AGAIN. IS SCARY AND JUST CANNOT EDUCATE USE YOU CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. SWITCHING OVER TO TEXT MESSAGING, YEARS AGO WHEN TEXT MESSAGING FIRST CAME OUT. REMEMBER WHEN YOU USE A TEXT MESSAGE AND IT WAS LIKE HEY OR OKAY BACK IN THE DAY. THAT'S HOW IT STARTED. THERE IS THIS INITIAL ARGUMENT THAT TEXT MESSAGES ARE REALLY TRANSITORY IN NATURE. TO PERPETUATE, COMMUNICATE OR FORMALIZE FUND KNOWLEDGE. WE HAVE MET TODAY THAT WE'VE EVOLVED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THAT AND A LOT OF BUSINESS GETS DONE VIA TEXT MESSAGE. IT'S REALLY EVOLVED TO BE A LOT MORE SUBSTANTIVE IN THAT MANNER. THOSE ARGUMENTS NOW HAVE PRETTY MUCH BEEN DEFEATED.GAIN I IT'S IN A TEXT MESSAGE AND A MEANS DEFINITION WITH AN EXCHANGE OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS AT THE PUBLIC RECORD. BEFORE I GET THE PENALTIES BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THIS IS A FUN AND NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN BUT THERE WAS INVOLVING A NEWSPAPER AND THE PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST ABOUT A MANAGER OF ENOUGH.

USES THE MANAGER, AFTER INITIALLY. WHAT IT WAS ABOUT WAS POTENTIALLY THE MANAGER GETTING A 50 TICKETS. I DON'T KNOW I NEED TO GO IN FSU GAME BUT ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS THAT'S MY JOKE AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I SUSPECT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SEMINOLES IN THEIR. THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE TOOK THAT AND SAID IT'S TRANSITORY AND PTHERE'S NOTHING THERE. JUST REMEMBER IN EVERY TEXT MESSAGE YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT YOU SAY BUT THERE'S A PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT GETS A TEXT MESSAGE SO HOW WOULD ANYBODY KNOW THAT THAT EXCHANGE OCCURRED.

NOBODY EVER FORWARD TO TEXT MESSAGE THEY GOT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

THAT NEVER HAPPENS. JUST BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. WHEN THE END OF HAPPENING IN THAT CASE IS THE CITY MANAGER IS NO LONGER THERE. THE PAPER FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY. THE JUDGE WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT THE WAY THE CITY HANDLED IT.

THEY ACTUALLY MADE THEM EXPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON FUTURE PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS.

THEY LET ANOTHER ATTORNEY FOR THIS PAPER TO ACTUALLY GO AND ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

I SAY THAT JUST TO SAY. ANYBODY EVER KNEW ABOUT THE TEXT MESSAGE.

>> IT HAPPENS. JUST BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND ACT APPROPRIATELY.

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AGAIN, THOSE IN A SCARIER PUPPY WOULD'VE LEFT WITH THAT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN TO A PNC BOARD MEMBER BUT I HAVE TO AT LEAST TELL YOU SOME I REALLY RESPECT AND SMARTER THAN BUT LAWYERS LIVE IN THE 5%. THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO THINK INK ABOUT. WHAT IF IT DOES WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AGAIN JUST EDUCATE USE YOU CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. THAT LEADS TO ANTHONY, WHAT HAPPENED? OKAY SO I DO IT WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN? THIS IS THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN. ANY PERSON WHO WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. THEY HAVE TO PROVE KNOWLEDGE AND THAT HE DID IT WITH INTENT COMMITS VIOLATION OF PUBLIC RECORDS LAW AND IT'S A FIRST-DEGREE MISDEMEANOR SUBJECT TO ONE YEAR IN JAIL AND $1000 FINE. ANTHONY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY WENT TO JAIL FOR ONE YEAR OF PUBLIC RECORD VIOLATION? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY BUT MY POINT IS TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS IS STATE ATTORNEYS MAY GO TO YOU AND SAY LOOK I CAN CHARGE YOU WITH A YEAR OR CAN CHARGE HE WAS $1000 FINE.

YOU'RE GOING TO ADMIT TO SOMETHING AND MAYBE PAY $500 FINE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AGAIN, WORST CASE SCENARIO THE STATE ATTORNEY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE AND YOU SEE THE CIVIL SUIT NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT MORE FOR THE CITY IF THEY CLAIM IN THAT CASE BECAUSE OF YOUR CAPACITY AS AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER OF THE CITY.F SOMEBODY NEEDS THE FILES IN ORDER TO GET A RECORD REQUEST AND THEY WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THE CITY IMPROPERLY RESPONDED TO THE RECORD REQUEST, THEY CAN GET THEIR ATTORNEY'S FEE PAID FOR LIKE THE CASE THAT I MENTIONED WITH THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE FOOTBALL GAME AND TICKETS. THAT IS PUBLIC RECORDS. I CAN STOP THERE AND YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR I CAN MOVE ON TO SUNSHINE LAW WHAT IS THE FOURTH PLEASURE? YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THIS TERM TO SUNSHINE. IT'S A SUNSHINE BOARD SO IT IS THAT MEAN? THERE'S THREE REQUIREMENTS. ONE, THE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC INTO THEIR HAS TO BE REASONABLE NOTICE IN THE MEETING AND THREE MINUTES HAVE TO BE TAKEN. WHEN DOES IT APPLY? THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT HOLDS ANY GATHERINGS WHETHER IT'S FORMAL OR CASUAL TO DISCUSS THE MATTER ON WHICH FORESEEABLE ACTION WILL BE TAKEN TO THE PUBLIC, BOARD OR COMMISSION. THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THE PUBLIC RECORD SPECIAL WE HAD BEFORE.

HERE AGAIN WE SEE MEETING IT'S NOT MEETING IN A TRADITIONAL SENSE.

IT'S MEETING IN THE NEW WORLD FUNDS. IT'S NOT JUST PHYSICAL.

I KNOW NOW TECHNICALLY A MEETING COULD HAPPEN FOR THIS DEFINITION ON FACEBOOK OR ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE SOCIAL MEDIA SITES WITH AN EXCHANGE. BE CAREFUL AND COGNIZANT.

THE POINT IS GOING BACK TO THE PHYSICAL THE MEETING COULD BE A BREWPUB.

JUST KEEP IN MIND THE GENERAL CONCEPT IS IF YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL BUSINESS AND YOU'RE ON ONE OF THESE BOARDS TO MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT THAT OFFICIAL BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF A PUBLICLY NOTICED MEETING THAT'S OPEN TO

THE PUBLIC WHERE MINUTES ARE TAKEN. >> AT THE OVERARCHING PRINCIPLE AND AGAIN THE MEETING ALSO COULD MEAN AN EXCHANGE VIA EMAIL.

IT COULD MEAN AN EXCHANGE AGAIN ON YOUR FAVORITE NEXT DOOR YOU NAME IT.

I CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH THE NEW ONES. I WASN'T GOING TO SAY MYSPACE.

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WE CAN'T ACT AS CONDUITS EITHER. WE CAN ACT AS LIAISON.

LET'S TALK ABOUT VENUE. PUBLIC BUILDINGS SHOULD NOT BE HELD IN ANY VENUE THAT I'M USUALLY RESTRICTING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FACILITY. IT'S A PARK ON PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING. WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE MEETING IN SUNRISE OR FORT LAUDERDALE. ONE OF THOSE PLACES IT'S PROBABLY NOT REASONABLE TO ME.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE WAS A NUANCE HERE WHERE WE HAD CORONAVIRUS BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET IN PUBLIC AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A QUORUM.

THERE IS CASE LAW AND NGOS THAT SPEAKS TO THAT. THERE'S AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S MEETING AND YOU NEED TO HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM AT A PHYSICAL LOCATION.

WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WE WOULD SAY WHAT ABOUT ALTERS THE MEETINGS? THE GOVERNOR ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT ALLOWED FOR MEETINGS TO TAKE PLACE UTILIZING COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY.

THAT ORDER WENT THROUGH I BELIEVE NOVEMBER ONE OF LAST YEAR SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS BASED ON THE FACTORS. WE'RE SEEING NOW IS THE ONES THAT HAVE DONE IT THAT ARE STARTING TO ROLL THAT BACK TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARTY HAVE BECAUSE WITH THE FAXING ROLLOUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMFORT LEVEL TO BRING IT BACK. THERE AGAIN I BROUGHT THIS POINT BEFORE BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE AGL CENTERS LAWS ARE HERE FOR THESE DEVICES. THE FACT THAT YOU DO THE SAME DISCUSSION THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA DOESN'T PROTECT YOU. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT'S MORE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE THAT HAPPEN. JUST BE CAREFUL. WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN'T COMMENT ON ANYTHING. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CHAIR CAN'T PUT OUT A COMMENT ON SOMETHING OTHER YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU DO WHETHER THAT COMMENT WANTS TO BE UP AT THE SECOND THAT BOARD MEMBER CLINT SPECK RESPONDS. NOW WE HAVE AN EXCHANGE.

WE HAVE A TWO-WAY EXCHANGE TO THE POINT THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE PROBLEM. HERE'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT.

>> ASCENDED TO STAFF AND LET'S THEM GET THROUGH IT. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO ALL AT THE BOTTOM. WERE TRYING TO PROTECT IN GOVERNMENT LAW.

KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE GOING STILL BE STILL THAT ONE OF THE WILL BE IN FORT LAUDERDALE.

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>> THAT IS LIKE A VERY THOUSAND FOOT VIEW OF SUNSHINE LAW.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU.

I WAS GOING TO DO A PRIMER ON ZONING BUT I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT.

MICHELLE IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO TALK ABOUT THE PLANNING DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A COUPLE KEY POINTS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO BOARD MEMBERS.

TO SEE YOU UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE SAME A COUPLE OF THEM. I'M DONE MICHELLE DO HER THING.

ON GIFTS. YOU CAN'T ACCEPT A GIFT FROM ANYONE BASED ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL IMPLEMENT YOU. YOU CAN ACCEPT, AND WHEN IN DOUBT CALL ME BECAUSE IT RATHER YOU CALL ME FIRST AND I'M HERE FOR YOU.

MY GOAL IS TO PROTECT YOU. UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS DON'T LIVE THIS MANY TIMES.

YOU DON'T LIVE THIS EVERY DAY LIKE I DO. SO PLEASE USE ME AS A RESOURCE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. YOU CANNOT CURRENTLY USE YOUR POSITION TO SECURE SPECIAL PRIVILEGE BENEFITS OR EXCEPTION.

YOU COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE HEY I SIT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND YOU GET A JOB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT AND AGAIN HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE CAREFUL OF THAT.

IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE FAIRLY OBVIOUS AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOCK YOUR CONSCIENCE OR YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT.

THAT IS A VOTING CONFLICT ISSUE SOME TO THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE. JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T VOTE ON ANY MATTER THAT YOU KNOW WITH THE PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS. OR THE SPECIAL PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS OF YOUR EMPLOYER RELATIVE OR YOUR CHURCH BUSINESS ASSOCIATE.

WHEN YOU SAY OKAY ANTHONY WHAT IS YOUR LIQUOR PRIVATE GAIN? THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU. USING ELK AS HE LEFT EARLY. HE LIVES IN HANDMADE.

I THINK THAT'S A SURPRISE TO ANYONE. THE SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE US THAT AFFECTS BAKING EVEN ON IT? DOES IT GO TO SPECIAL PRIVATE CARE BENEFIT? THERE CERTAIN FACTORS THAT THE STATUTE PROVIDES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER. WHEN I WOULD BE THE SIZE OF THE CLASSROOM AND BENEFITS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN HERON BAY? THEIR STANDARD 1% RULES.

YOU 1% INTEREST OR LESS. IF YOU HAVE HUNDRED HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY IS OKAY TO VOTE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE THAT. OTHERWISE COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD MEMBERS ARE HEARING YOU LIVE IN THE CITY. THIS CAN BE CITIES AND ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE YOU BUT IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE CITY AND YOU HAVE AN OFFICE IN A COMMERCIAL SPACE AND SOMETHING COMES BEFORE YOU THAT AFFECTS THE PARTICULAR SHOPPING CENTER IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING AND THERE'S ONLY FOUR PARCELS. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT FIRST AND AGAIN WHEN IN DOUBT I'D RATHER YOU JUST CALL ME BEFORE THE MEETING SO WE CAN WORK IT OUT.

WE TALK ABOUT IT FIRST AND HOPEFULLY JUST COME TO THE MEETING WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP YOU DON'T VOTE ON IT. YOU HAVE A CONFLICT ON A GENERALLY BRIEFING THE SKIES.

YOU DON'T VOTE ON OR PARTICIPATE. AND THEN WITHIN 15 DAYS YOU HAVE TO FILE IN THE CLERK LOOK AT IT CONFLICT FOR YOU. THE GIST IS GENERALLY WITH THE

CONFLICT IS IN LIGHT OF ABOUT. >> THE LICENSE WITH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SITUATIONS WERE NOT

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OTHERWISE EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU ARE HERE AND YOU WILL VOTE WHEN MOTIONS COME UP.

DON'T VOTE ON IT YOU HAVE 15 DAYS TO FILE FOR THAT VOTING CONFLICT.

WHEN IN DOUBT PLEASE CALL ME. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> QUICKLY BECOMES A TRADITIONAL HEARING THAT'S DIFFERENT. MEANING IT COMES BEFORE THE BODY WHERE THERE ACTING AS SORT OF A JUDGE AND THEY ARE IMPLYING A SET OF CONDITIONS TO THE APPLICATION THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE DISCLOSURE. FOR THE MOST PART YOU CAN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. FOR THE MOST FOR YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH JUST SAYING I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I SPOKE WITH SO-AND-SO. IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. >> ARE COPYRIGHTED.

>> IF THERE IS A MATTER COMING BEFORE THEM LIKE THE SUPER BOWL OR THE MASTERS THAT SHE JUST

GIVE YOU THE ATTENDANCE RATE? >> I THOUGHT THEY GO TO BOB. >> BY THE WAY I'M SUBJECT AS LOCAL GOVERNMENT ATTORNEYS IN THE CITY I'M SUBJECT TO THE SAME THING AS A COMMISSIONER.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I KNOW IT'S BEEN LONGER SOMETHING TO JUST BE FIVE

[9.B. Planning Efforts Discussion]

THEY TALK ABOUT ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE IN THE CITY AND HELPS THE GUYS STUFF TO KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE BUDGETED AND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE. ONE OF THEM.WITH PLANNING AND I WANT YOU TO SEE THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPACE THIS IS THE FACE OF SOMEONE IS GOING TO RETIRE SOON. I THINK THAT I HAD MENTIONED THAT AND AS A RESULT THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP AS A RESULT OF STRATEGIC PLANNING OF WHAT GOES NEXT.

THE COMMISSIONS CANNOT GO FORWARD WITH HIRING SOMEONE IN-HOUSE WHICH IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO. BOTH THE SENIOR PLANNER UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RESPONDING TO JOBS AND FOCUS ON ASSISTING THE CITY MANAGER AND NOT WORRY ABOUT BUILDING AND ENGINEERING. THAT WILL HAPPEN AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND HOPE AS WELL THAT WE WILL REMAIN AS A TEAM TAKING THE LEAD AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.

I'M ALWAYS HERE FOR PARK AND EVEN IF I RETIRE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WITH REGARD TO THE TRANSITION WE SEE MORE OF CAITLIN BECAUSE I'M CAN BE PHASING OUT BEFORE THEY EVER BRING SOMEONE ON BOARD IN HOUSE. I WILL ALWAYS BE HERE BUT IN THE BACKGROUND. CAITLIN IS A THINK YOU'VE OBSERVED OF THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS EXTREMELY CAPABLE AND I'M HERE TO ASSIST HER WITH THE NEXT MEETING I WON'T BE HER PHYSICALLY OR PROBABLY BE ON THE PHONE LISTENING. I WANT TO GIVE YOU HEAD'S UP ON

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THAT AS WELL. >> A REALLY EXCITING THING ASIDE FROM THAT IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT I THINK SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD EXPRESSED THAT YOU WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING ASPECTS RATHER THAN LOOKING AT THE DAY-TO-DAY ZONING STUFF AND I LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT THAT WAS EXTREMELY EXCITING TO US BECAUSE WHILE SWIMMING POOL SETBACKS ARE OF PRIME IMPORTANCE .VOICE AND DOCK BAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE A MASTERS DEGREE. I'M NOT GOING TO DETAILS RIGHT NOW I'M JUST DISCUSSING THEM. THE THREE THINGS YOU SEE TRUST THE SHORTER ORDER AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT'S KNOWN BY CLUB LANGUAGE BUT IT'S UNDER CONTRACT.

THE LAND IS ON THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL. THE ZONING IS A ONE AGRICULTURAL AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S COMMON KNOWLEDGE. IT SELLS OFF A CHUNK OF IT BUT IT'S STILL IN DISCUSSION. IT'S SOLD TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE BRING BACK TO YOU AND PROBABLY WILL NOT BE BECAUSE WE WANT TIME TO REALLY THINK ABOUT AND PROP IN THE JUNE MEETING. IT WILL BE REGULATIONS THAT WERE GOING TO PROPOSE FOR DISCUSSIONS. IT'LL BE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT HERON BAY. SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. DEFINITELY A BIG ITEM COMING YOUR WAY. ALSO WE TO THE ZONING ON A ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WITH THE CITY AND PROTECTS THE CITY FROM CERTAIN ACTIVITY. WHEN I TRIED TO STOP IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED FROM ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS THAT MIGHT GO ON.

THEY PROPOSE A MEDICAL FACILITY. WE DON'T THE HOSPITAL OR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY. WE WANT TO REFINE REGULATIONS IT WILL BE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ANYWAY. BRING THE TWO. DESIGNATE BETWEEN THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE COMING ALONG. WE ALSO HAVE SOME BIGGER IDEAS THAT HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE WITH REGARD TO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CITY OF OR HAS ANY OWNERSHIP THERE.

I THINK THAT'S A FOR DISCUSSION AND CHANGES ON AN HOURLY BASIS. THE 12 ACRES ARE HERE IN TERMS OF MAKING SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE'VE BEEN CALLING THE PARK WALL.

WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE BUT PLANNING IDEAS. THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY AT THE SILVERED ABOVE SWIMMING POOL SETBACKS. SOME THOUGHT TO SOME THINGS THAT YOU INDIVIDUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SPORT TALK ABOUT.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IF YOU CAN BRING THOSE GIVE THOSE TO US AND WE WILL SYNTHESIZE AND BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN PRIORITIZE THEM.

WE COULD PUT THAT TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ADD TO OUR WORK PROGRAM.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US. THAT IS EVERYTHING I HAVE. >> COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING

DIRECTOR? >> YOU BEEN READING FROM NOT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE

[11. Comments from the Board]

BOARD? >> I HAVE A COMMENT I APOLOGIZE AND IT'S BEEN A LONG

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MEETING. >> DAVID MENTIONED THIS EARLIER WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT PROACTIVE VERSUS REACTIVE ACTIVITIES. AS MANY OF YOU KNOWS BECAUSE HE BEEN HERE FOR VARIOUS MEETINGS FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I'VE SEEN YOU AT SEVERAL ALTHOUGH WE'VE NOT REACHED ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT COME BEFORE THE SPORT.

ONE OF THE THINGS AND ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN AN INCREASE IN FOREIGN INSIDE OF A LARGE CERTIFICATE POPULATION AND HEARTLAND ARE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON A COMMISSION MEETING EVERY MONTH AND HALF AGO. I HAD COMMENTED DURING MY COMMENTS WITH THE BOARD AND I BELIEVE THE MAYOR HAD GIVEN DIRECTION FOR THE STAFF ABOUT THE SCHEDULING OF A WORKSHOP. THERE ARE MATTERS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE RESIDENTS NOT FULFILLING OBLIGATIONS. STEFAN CITY COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH THEM. I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT I WOULD BRING IT TONIGHT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'S MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE LACK OF MOVING FORWARD AND THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND A LARGE SECTION OF OUR RESIDENTS IS ONLY CREATING MORE DIFFICULT ISSUES. I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD NOW FOR GOING ON SIX YEARS.

FIVE YEARS AND A MEMBER AND HERE IS AN ALTERNATE. I LIKE COMING HERE FOR ONE MEETING A MONTH AND I LIKE PGOING TO CITY COMMISSION MEETING EVERY NOW AND THEN JUST TO SEE MY FRIENDS. I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO CONTINUE TO GO TO MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER THE SAME THING. I BRING THAT UP AS A PERSONAL COMPLAINT.

THE SECOND IS IT IS WONDERFUL THAT IT WILL BE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO BECAUSE THINGS HAPPEN SO QUICKLY. WHEN THINGS ARE DISCUSSED AT PLANNING AND ZONING IT IS IMPORTANT IN MY MIND WITHOUT HAVING TO TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE WE DON'T GO TO JAIL, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR FEELING THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT INFORMATION MOVE ON TO THE COMMISSION. ONE THING IN PARTICULAR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IN FACT I KNOW FOR FACT MERRIER HERE AND IN YOU ARE GOING BACK TO DECEMBER 2016. WHEN I CAME IN TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR CAB APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGN OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT. LIKE THERE HAD BUT UNFORTUNATELY BEEN TOO MANY TIMES THERE WERE A DOZEN RESIDENTS THAT WERE HERE.

FOR THE EMPTY TIME AND SO MANY MEETINGS IT WAS A CORPORATE CITIZEN DISCUSSION AND BASICALLY WHAT DIRECTLY INTO THE TRASH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT DISCUSSION IS A DISCUSSION OF TRAINING THAT WAS HAPPENING.

THIS IS GOING BACK 5+ YEARS. THERE'S A DISCUSSION IN THE WAY AND AT THAT MEETING DENNIS THE ATTORNEY FROM ANOTHER AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM LENNAR WERE HERE.

I HAVE A TON OF RESPECT FOR DENNIS.E'S ONE OF THE BEST MENUS ATTORNEYS THAT I'VE EVER MET IN 20 YEARS OF PRACTICE. HE ALSO ACTS AS REPRESENTATIVE AND LOBBYIST/ATTORNEY FOR DEVELOPERS AND HE WAS DOING THAT FOR LENNAR. I WANTED UP LISTENING TO THE SKIN BECAUSE IT BOTHERED ME SO MUCH WHEN I HEARD THAT 500+ HOMEOWNERS AND TO SCOTT A ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME IF NOT MORE STRANGE ISSUES AND WE DEALT WITH IN YOUR LOGO.

I SAID TO MYSELF WHEN I SAW PICTURES THEY WERE POSTING, WAIT A SECOND.

IRMA LENNAR CAME IN AND SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT GUTTERS IN AND DO THE SAME THING JUST

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THE PROBLEMS DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN AND HIS STAFF TELLS US THAT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES ARE HAPPENING WE WILL TAKE THE SAME ACTIONS THAT WERE DONE IN THEIR LOGO AND MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. WHY SAY THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT IS I DIDN'T GO TO THE COMMISSION MEETING FOLLOWED 111 ITEM WAS BROUGHT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FOR SPEAKING WITH COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ON THEIR AND LOOKING BACK AND LISTENING TO THE MEETING THAT THEY HAD NO IDEA OF THE DETAIL OF THE CONVERSATION.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE COMES TO ME AND THEN PLUS YEARS LATER NONE OF THE RETROFITTING HAPPENED. LENNAR HAS NOW SAID THAT THE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ARE ACTUALLY THE PROBLEMS AND THEY'VE NOW SIT ON THE RECORD THAT THE CITIES TOLD RESIDENTS AS RECENTLY AS TODAY THAT THE CITY OF PARKLAND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FIXING THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TOLD BY THE CITY OF PARKLAND STAFF THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM THEY NEEDED TO GO INTO THE RETROFIT. I TRUST LENNAR FROM MY EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY AS WELL AS THOSE COLLEAGUES ABOUT AS FAR AS I CAN THROW THEM WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE AGAIN I'M NOT THAT PERSON.

BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME AND WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT THERE IS SOME BREAKDOWN THAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN AND IT'S NOT EVERY TIME. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF BLAME. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN GET PROPERLY RELAYED TO THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTLY OR PRIVATELY DISSEMINATED TO STAFF THAT'S NOT AT THE MEETING SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THINGS ARE DISCUSSED OR COMMITTED TO MAKE THEIR WAY AND THAT THERE ARE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE ARE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE NOW SAID AND WRITTEN A SECOND COMMENT ABOUT IT THAT THE CITY OF PARKLAND IS ON THE TABLE TO A DEVELOPER WHICH I KNOW WASN'T SURE WHEN I THINK OF IT IN THIS ROOM KNOWS. BUT IT'S HARD TO TYPE THAT DOWN WHENEVER SOMETHING SET I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING UP SO MUCH TIME TONIGHT.

I JUST HAVE THE FAN TIRED OF CONDITIONS TALK ABOUT THIS. I LOVE THE CITY AND I LOVE THE VOLUNTEER. I LOVE THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE DONE ON THE BOARD IT'S A GREAT CHOICE OF MY ADULT LIFE.

>> SOME TIMES DOESN'T GET TO THEIR BACK UP FOR THEIR MEETING. >> SO MANY CONVERSATIONS OVER

THE YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T GET THAT FIXED. >> YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE WITH THE DRAINAGE GOES BACK TO THE ENFORCEMENT OR MAKING THESE RULES.

WE DEVISE THESE RESTRICTIONS. WE TELL LOCAL CHURCHES ABOUT LIGHTING AND FIVE YEARS LATER SO WE STILL HAVE STRING LIGHTING WITH LUMBER ON THE EXTERIOR OF A CHURCH WHEN WE KNOW IT'S IN

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RECORD AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO CORRECT IT. >> SO IT GETS IN TO THE RIDICULOUS CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THIS -- FROM THIS BODY IT DOESN'T GET TO THE COMMISSION. DOESN'T GET CARRIED OUT IN THE WORLD THAT ALL THE PEOPLE LIVE IN. JUST GETTING TO BE MUCH. IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED

ABOUT ON THE PUB. >> THE ENFORCEMENT. >> BELT AND SUSPENDERS.

ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE AND AGAIN THAT IS WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT -- >> I WOULD SAY TO MICHELLE AND MAKING SOME TRANSITIONS WE NEED TO RE-THINK THE OPERATION AND WHERE WE ARE FALLING SHORT.

CODE ENFORCEMENT DONE BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> THEY ARE DOING GREAT POLICING JOB IN THE CITY. I KNOW A LOT OF THEM. BUT ARE THEY COMMITTED TO

ENFORCING THE CODES RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT. >> SOMEONE WHO WORKED FOR POLICE

DEPARTMENT. I WOULD THINK PROBABLY NOT. >> I WORKED FOR A CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED AND CAN HONE IN ON THINGS THAT COME OUT OF A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

SHERIFF'S OFFICE CUT OUT FOR THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I SEE PEOPLE SHAKING THEIR

HEADS. >> WE NEED TO RE-THINK WHO IS WATCHING THE CODES AND

MONITORING THESE SITUATIONS. >> SORRY ABOUT MY VOICE. >> SO I AGREE WITH NATHAN ILL.

RE-THINK THE OPERATION AND WHAT WE ARE DOING GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S GETTING CRAZY OUT THERE. PEOPLE COME TO THE MEETING AND CRY FOR 20 MINUTES AND SAY PLEASE HELP ME, THE COMMISSIONERS SIT THERE LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.

MORATORIUMS THINGS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHO IS FIXING THE HOUSES.

I'M NOT ANGRY JUST BEING LOUD. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? YES.

>> THIS COMMENT THAT JUST WAS MADE ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PARKLAND. OUR FIRM WORKING WITH THE CITY OF PARKLAND ON THE STORM WATER

AND LOOKING IN TO CODE CHANGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> THE CHANGE, CHANGING THE CODE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ENFORCEMENT THAT HAPPENS AFTERWARD AND THE APPROVING

PROCESS THAT HAPPENS BEFORE HAND. >> BECAUSE AGAIN LAND IS LAND AND YOU MAY HAVE MORE CAP ROCK. HAVE ISSUES WITH THIS. ISSUES WITH THAT.

>> THE CONDITION OF THE THE SOIL AND WE NEED TO MAKE OUR CODES AS GOOD AS THEY CAN BE.

>> AND PLANNING STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB IN TERMS OF HELPING US MAKE SURE

THAT THAT HAPPENS. >> BUT IT'S THEN WHEN THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD IS HAVE ALL THE GREAT CODES IN THE WORLD AND IF THEY AREN'T BEING FOLLOWED AND THEY -- PEOPLE AREN'T BEING HELD TO THEM THEN THIS IS NOTHING BUT AN EXERCISE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I CAN SPEAK MORE ON THE MATTER. THE NEW CODE WILL BE AT NOT BE GETTING BILLING. TALKING NEW BUILDINGS. THIS IS AGAIN EVERYTHING --

MICHELLE, I SEE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. >> BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT GOING BACK TO ENFORCEMENT AND A DIFFERENT LIFE A LONG TIME AGO I I -- THIS IS WHY I AM RETURNING. LONG TIME AGO I WAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR AND YOU ARE CORRECT. I HAD PLANNING ZONING BUILDING. CODE ENFORCEMENT OCCUPATIONAL

LICENSING ENGINEERING AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT. >> AND SO AS THE CITY GOES THROUGH THIS TRANSITION, AND LOOKING AT HIRING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, TO BE THE HEAD OF ENGINEERING, I WILL CERTAINLY TALK TO ADMINISTRATION, I DON'T HAVE A

SAY IN IT. >> BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE THE CONTINUITY. RIGHT NOW I NEVER SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THERE ISN'T THAT

CONTINUITY. OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> YEAH.

>> CODE ENFORCEMENT IS REACTIVE IN A SENSE. >> I THINK THEY DO PRO-ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. THEY ARE NOT DRIVING IN TO DEVELOPMENTS AND -- LANDSCAPE CODE IS, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO BUT IT GOES TO THE EXACT POINT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING. THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY CONTINUITY IN COMMUNICATION THAT COULD BE MADE BETTER POTENTIALLY BY PUTTING IT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA AND UNDER THE DIRECTION OF ONE

PERSON. >> PERSON THEY WILL BE HIRING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.

I WILL CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP NEXT POINT. >> THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE

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I THINK EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS SAID IN THE PASSED 10 MINUTES IS FANTASTIC.

PLANNING IS NOT EASY. IF IT DOESN'T GET ENFORCED ISN'T WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON.

HAVE GOOD ENFORCEMENT. SWITCHED OVER AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

CODE ENFORCEMENT HASN'T BEEN FANTASTIC. >> I THINK MICHELLE AND CAITLYN THEY WILL TELL YOU. THEY NEED THE HELP WITH ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK THEY ARE UP TO THE TASK TO WRITE THE CODES. IF WE HAD BETTER CODES THAT COULD HAVE FORESEEN OR BEEN IN PLACE AND MAYBE PUT SOME BETTER ENFORCEMENT IN TO THE THINGS

THAT HAPPENED OUT MAYBE IN THE WEDGE. >> MAYBE SOME OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN COULD HAVE BEEN AVOID YO. ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO FIX. EVERYTHING YOU HEARD ME SAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SWIMMING POOLS AND SET BALKINGS AND THINGS ABOUT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE

SETTING THE RULES. >> SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND IF THEY CAN MEET THE RULE. GOD BLESS THEM. BUT ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. WE SHOULD HAVE THE BEST REGULATIONS NOT THE MOST RESTRICTIVE. WE SHOULD HAVE THE BEST

REGULATIONS AND WE SHOULD ENFORCE THEM. >> WE USED TO HAVE BRIAN ARCHER

DOING CODE EVEN CORRESPOND MEANT. >> IMPROVEMENTS NAMED AFTER HIM AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. A PRO ACTIVE, CUSTOMER FRIENDLY CODE ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS IMPORTANT. NOT JUST DRACONIAN BUT HE WAS VERY EFFECTIVE FOR MANY YEARS.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? WE WILL NOW ADJOURN THE

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